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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
January 11 2012 15:52 GMT
#1341
Risk.nuke
._. That wad town play eh?

Well we can lynch RoL tmr
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 11 2012 15:59 GMT
#1342
I'm going to be away most of tomorrow most likely, most of my posting if any will be done in school with my iPhone. Just a heads up.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 11 2012 16:19 GMT
#1343
Hey guys!
mind explaining to me why you hammered the lynch 10+ hours early?
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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
January 11 2012 16:23 GMT
#1344
Well, FUCK.

+ wtf at people apologizing.

+ Why are there only 12 votes on day 2 when there were 16 players alive?

Spaackle, why did you unvote RoL and not vote anyone else?
Who exactly are the other three non-voters?

Also, quoting risk.nuke:
Once I flip, lynch syllogism the bad tunneling angel and every fucking one who used something along the lines of this "I don't like RoL as a lynch because of X so I'm going with risk.nuke" for reasoning.


Nevermind the syllogism part; This last sentence was actually decent.

good night.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 11 2012 16:25 GMT
#1345
Because he was going to be lynched anyway and it appears that the night is accordingly longer? Considering that I personally would have liked to hammer yesterday, I wouldn't read too much into that. Jackal's tone however seems off though. Specifically his random apology. Did he apologize to erandorr yesterday? No. Does he ever apologize when lynching someone? I doubt it.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 11 2012 16:34 GMT
#1346
To the past games filter!
+this game was the first time i had been around at lynch time so i am pissed that i missed it.
My other concern is that night appears to be bad for scum-hunting.
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 11 2012 16:39 GMT
#1347
Polite and lurking jackal is far more likely to be scum jackal. His play so far has constituted of picking a target to tunnel and then basically doing nothing else and posting quite little. I wouldn't even consider it out of the question that he is a demon because Jackal tunnelling someone usually won't get the target lynched and people expect him to tunnel palmar every game.

Mafia are much more likely to post something unnatural when hammering due to their inherent guilt
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 11 2012 17:08 GMT
#1348
On January 12 2012 01:25 syllogism wrote:
Because he was going to be lynched anyway and it appears that the night is accordingly longer? Considering that I personally would have liked to hammer yesterday, I wouldn't read too much into that. Jackal's tone however seems off though. Specifically his random apology. Did he apologize to erandorr yesterday? No. Does he ever apologize when lynching someone? I doubt it.

Ya I believe I have apologized for being impulsive before. And wrong. And no I didn't apologize to Erandorr because Erandorr was max derp. If it makes you feel better next time I vote for somebody I'll post DIE MOTHERFUCKER along with it.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 11 2012 17:10 GMT
#1349
On January 12 2012 01:39 syllogism wrote:
Polite and lurking jackal is far more likely to be scum jackal. His play so far has constituted of picking a target to tunnel and then basically doing nothing else and posting quite little. I wouldn't even consider it out of the question that he is a demon because Jackal tunnelling someone usually won't get the target lynched and people expect him to tunnel palmar every game.

Mafia are much more likely to post something unnatural when hammering due to their inherent guilt

You and Diz are the remaining demons Syllo. RoL is most likely an angel. With HoD and somebody else.
Life can only kill you once.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 11 2012 17:10 GMT
#1350
On January 12 2012 02:08 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 01:25 syllogism wrote:
Because he was going to be lynched anyway and it appears that the night is accordingly longer? Considering that I personally would have liked to hammer yesterday, I wouldn't read too much into that. Jackal's tone however seems off though. Specifically his random apology. Did he apologize to erandorr yesterday? No. Does he ever apologize when lynching someone? I doubt it.

Ya I believe I have apologized for being impulsive before. And wrong. And no I didn't apologize to Erandorr because Erandorr was max derp. If it makes you feel better next time I vote for somebody I'll post DIE MOTHERFUCKER along with it.

Why did risk.nuke deserve an apology from you?
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 11 2012 17:16 GMT
#1351
On January 12 2012 02:10 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 02:08 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 12 2012 01:25 syllogism wrote:
Because he was going to be lynched anyway and it appears that the night is accordingly longer? Considering that I personally would have liked to hammer yesterday, I wouldn't read too much into that. Jackal's tone however seems off though. Specifically his random apology. Did he apologize to erandorr yesterday? No. Does he ever apologize when lynching someone? I doubt it.

Ya I believe I have apologized for being impulsive before. And wrong. And no I didn't apologize to Erandorr because Erandorr was max derp. If it makes you feel better next time I vote for somebody I'll post DIE MOTHERFUCKER along with it.

Why did risk.nuke deserve an apology from you?

For my impulsiveness. I had no intentions of voting for him until I saw Diz's post voting for Tyrran.
Life can only kill you once.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 11 2012 17:31 GMT
#1352
On January 11 2012 08:16 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 08:05 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
RoL, who do you want to lynch, why?

I'd assume risk.nuke since his vote is on him.

I'm leaving my vote on diz for the moment because he is apparently not going to get hammered anytime soon. Also because he's scum. We have 5 scum left. More than enough to kill either risk or RoL atm. As that hasn't happened yet it's possible we have 1 from each team hanging there. I'm leaving for the evening so please refrain from doing anything stupid for the next couple of hours. Like a massive vote switch. Unless you all want to switch to diz cause like he is scum and all.


On January 11 2012 23:45 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 23:06 Dirkzor wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:30 Cwave wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Vote count for the Day 2 Lynch.

With 16 alive, 9 votes are required to lynch.

Current votes:
risk.nuke (7): Bluelightz, Refallen, -Bluelightz, syllogism, Bluelightz, Zephirdd, RebirthOfLeGenD, Grackaroni, Blazinghand
RebirthOfLeGenD (2): Blazinghand, Mr. Wiggles, Zephirdd, Spaackle, Cwave, -Zephirdd, -Spaackle, -Blazinghand
Tyrran (1): HarbingerOfDoom
Dirkzor (1): Jackal58
Cwave (0): Dirkzor, -Dirkzor

The Day 2 deadline is at January 12 2012 10:00 KST. (That's approximately 12:44:13 from now.)Last edit: 2012-01-11 21:15:47


No votes as of yet from
Dirkzor
layabout
Tyrran


Layabout made it clear he wants to vote on Risk, how about Dirkzor/Tyrran?
Who is your best lynch target as of today?


You stopped reading the thread? Maybe go re-read...

Seems like i forgot to vote when i last posted.

##Vote tyrran

I will come back before deadline and hammer Risk if needed but I still feel that Tyrran is a better lynch.

You are best lynch. But I'm not going to hold my breath. Let's see if there is a reason for voting for somebody nobody else is interested in voting today.
##Vote: risk.nuke.

If you flip town risk I am sorry.
And now I await everybody telling me how scummy I am for hammering you.


Was that the full extent of your reasoning for hammering risk?
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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 11 2012 17:32 GMT
#1353
I find it funny that you have yet to spell my name (or any part thereof) correct

I also think that whatever I say or do for the rest of this game I won't convince you that I am not scum.

I don't think that Syllo is scum based on his filter but it has crossed my mind. Every time I come to a reason why he might be scum i re-think and find that scenario unlikely.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 11 2012 17:39 GMT
#1354
Also, your logic is very weird Jackal. Why would i vote Risk the entire day 1 and not erandorr if risk was my scum mate? So your logic that I today did not vote for risk because we are team mates is - again - weird.

At the time i Voted i did not know that risk had 9 votes. I voted Tyrran due to my post on the 3 targets most likely to get lynched today: RoL, Tyrran and Risk
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 11 2012 17:54 GMT
#1355
Tyrran began the game the same as any other player, he gave a bit of advice and made some comments about the setup. The post that sticks out the most to me is his vote on erandorr.
On January 07 2012 21:50 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2012 14:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

Tyrran:

He started out the game with very general advice. This seems weird, but it might be due to the mini games, in which I've seen new players do that to each other. Still something to note though, as scum like to use it to look like they're contributing.

Compared to steamship that you linked, he is much more careful and timid in this game. In steamship, just reading through his early posts, he didn't seem scared to call people out and ask direct questions. In that game, he was vanilla, however, so there could be something to do with the set-up contributing to his timidness (less likely because he talks about the set-up in this game), or he's some kind of power role.

Verdict: Scummy. Not as direct as his last game, and timid. However, I'm willing to give him slightly more time to see if he starts to contribute. Might be a good vig shot night 2.

Does anyone have a game in which Tyrran rolled scum that I can read?

@Tyrran, what do you think of the accusations against you? Who do you want to lynch?


People are basically trying to Meta me based on the single game I played before, which is a bit silly, but apparently that's the main scumhunt method on day 1. I agree that i'm not as aggressive as i could be, but i'm also less active due to more IRL stuff.

As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid.

Of course, you are going to ask me to pick one, and as i said before, i'm not aware of the meta enough to lynch someone based on meta alone. That's why i'm not going to vote on jackal and palmar and vote for Errandor instead. HIs filter is full of uselss post where he isnt even trying to help town, jsut saying random stuff not even related to the game ( BH being WBG smurf...).

Therefore, ##Vote : Errandor

Of course there's the obvious contradiction between Palmar having a solid case against him and Jackal being scummy for voting without a case. This is pretty weak justification for a vote. If you ignore the meta all you can really tell from erandorr is that he is inactive and does not want to be modkilled thus he should be a null read as opposed to you liking the Palmar case which seems more like you think he is scum yet chose to vote a null read instead. (yes I think BH's reasoning was weak too, it's the meta that made erandorr look scummy, not the "hustling".) You never actually explained the contradiction between Jackal/Palmar.

It doesn't help either that we ended the day early so he never got the chance to put down a 2nd vote but it looks like it would have been on risk.nuke.

On January 10 2012 18:55 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:
Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?


Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.


This post is really bad from him, wrong on so many aspect. I bolded the that is the most suspicious to me.
I think that in most cases calling someone out is a good think. It reminds townie that they should contribute more, and it puts pressure on scum people, which can only help town confirming that they are red. More often than not, it is pro-town to call people out. Risk claims to have only played as town so far, but doesnt know this ?

Also, why would he hide what he wanted to do ? A townie ( especially a VT as he claims to be) should not be hiding his plan. Either it is pro-town and he should share it, or it is not and he should forget about it. I dont think forcing someone to reveal what he wants to do is a bad thing.

This is really scummy from him.


So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it.


So i'm new to TL mafia, but I am divided with Meta based argument. Meta is a great way to catch veteran, but using meta to catch player who only have played a few game. Now i dont know how many games risk.nuke has played, but i recall HoD mentioning that risk already was mislynched because of the same kind arument, which explains why he do not like them. At least he is consistent.




So yes, he is scummy and makes a valid lynch target. The first post you mention is strange and doesnt seem to come from a VT. The second however is null for me, it can comes both from scum or town. I think that he should realize that the only way you can defend yourself against META argument is to start making pro-town contributions. He hasnt started yet.I would like to make full use of the time allowed for day 2, but should no better lynch target occur by tomorrow, and should he not start contributing more, i'm okay with lynching him.

@Syllo : All your cases so far have been based on Meta. But what do you think of Jackal, Dirkzor and Cwave ? Are they scummy to you ?

I would also like to see RoL defend himself against BH caze, and Dirkzor defend himself against Layabout case.

@Cwave : I agree that i have contributed less than I should as town. I'm not going to go frontal with syllo/HoD because they call me scummy. The only way I can defend myself now is by making more pro-town contribution. That is what i intend to do.

Despite the first quote Tyrran seems townish to me. He had a pretty good justification for voting risk.nuke (as long as he was going to) He has been doing some scumhunting and his thoughts on RoL's plan seem completely reasonable. I wish there was more posts I could judge from but the only post that looks questionable to me is the first one I quoted. I don't think he is scum or the best lynch for tomorrow.
Checking Spaackle next.
Spaackle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States153 Posts
January 11 2012 17:55 GMT
#1356
@Zeph I unvoted RoL because I thought there might be a better lynch than him. I posted my reads on Tyrran last night, and was going to do the same for risk today, but you guys hammered the lunch during my morning classes. I Would have voted risk, but I wanted to do a thorough analysis of his posts before I put the last nail in his coffin. You guys beat me to the punch.

The fact that risk flipped town is problematic. It brings us no closer to finding the rest of the scum. However, risk is still the best option for yesterday, IMO.

Tonight, DH should hit either Tyrran or RoL.
Friendship is Magic!
Spaackle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States153 Posts
January 11 2012 17:58 GMT
#1357
EBWOP: risk was the best option. He's gone now, so he can't still be the best option.
Friendship is Magic!
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
January 11 2012 18:57 GMT
#1358
On January 12 2012 02:55 Spaackle wrote:
@Zeph I unvoted RoL because I thought there might be a better lynch than him. I posted my reads on Tyrran last night, and was going to do the same for risk today, but you guys hammered the lunch during my morning classes. I Would have voted risk, but I wanted to do a thorough analysis of his posts before I put the last nail in his coffin. You guys beat me to the punch.

The fact that risk flipped town is problematic. It brings us no closer to finding the rest of the scum. However, risk is still the best option for yesterday, IMO.

Tonight, DH should hit either Tyrran or RoL.


I just want to say that DH should hit whoever he thinks to be a good target - just like he hit Palmar correctly - and not whoever is pointed out in the thread like that. Blue directing is a bad thing to do, although I think it was at least decent to include two targets.

And yeah, I forgot about the instant lynch thing, so it isn't impossible for people not to vote.


Also, risk flipping town doesn't bring us "no closer" to finding scum. Verify the voters and look for Scum. That's what this game is about.
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HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 11 2012 19:16 GMT
#1359
Alright Syllo, what the fuck is this:
On January 12 2012 00:03 syllogism wrote:
Alright, first of all I will never admit that was a poor lynch. Risk did no scum hunting at all following his single case post, which itself was suspicious, on day 1 and his defense made no sense at all. Further, a bunch of people acted suspiciously when asked for the opinion on him and Tyrran/Cwave refused to touch the lynch on two days.

The fact I was wrong likely means that I was not hit on day 1, which significantly increases the likelihood of HoD being the angel of death. I will have to consider something.
On January 12 2012 00:37 syllogism wrote:
Harbingerofdoom posted this day 1

Show nested quote +
Are people seriously trying to implicate me on the basis of "soft-defending" risk by voting Erandorr instead? Now, I can't speak for the people throwing suspicion on me, but I sure as hell don't know risk's alignment, and unless they somehow do, I don't see how it can be implicate me as being scum. Anyone trying to implicate me on this before risk flips is using shitty logic. If risk flips scum and then you want to come after me, then you have some logic on your side. I did not vote for risk nor comment on it much as I had (and still have) a null read on risk. Risk has been in every game I've played on here, and his play-style has varied too much from game to game for me to be comfortable with a day 1 read on him.

This sounds as if you knew he was going to flip town. I suppose the problem with that is that he could still have flipped the other scum team.

Grackaroni you have basically stopped playing. Another player who clearly does not care about the game at all.

First of all, if you had stopped your tunnel vision you would have seen he wasn't such a great lynch, especially in comparison to some of the other players in this game. Being wrong on one of your day 1 lynch targets is also no reason for scum to not try killing you, and you should know that. As for my post, I didn't know what he was going to flip, but I thought it was a lot more likely that he would flip town than most people seemed to be expecting, and it would have given people some reason to go after me. It was not confidence that he would flip town, but merely confidence that if he didn't, I could defend myself. I defended him, and if he flipped scum, I was aware I would look bad. But, I thought the case against him wasn't very good, so I defended him and pushed someone I thought was much more likely to flip scum.

I asked you why you wanted to lynch Risk over Tyrran and the only explanation you gave me was:
On January 10 2012 15:44 syllogism wrote:
HoD: I'll have to think about it more, but purely based on informational purposes risk is much better given the activity surrounding him on day 1
I asked that because I honestly didn't see how a good player could look at the cases against both Risk and Tyrran and come out thinking Risk was the better lynch.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 11 2012 19:22 GMT
#1360
Pretty much everything you said about Tyrran (passivity, lack of confidence in his reads, overall disinterest in the lynches) applied to risk as well. Can you point out what made risk look like a townie (?) to you?
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