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I'm more interested in you reading risk.nuke's previous games. I do not particularly care about palmar meta reads.
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How would he know that you are not scum even if he is scum?
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While I consider palmar the better lynch out of wiggles/palmar, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch palmar today. We've other very good lynches available, it's a setup with 6 scum and he is very likely to become more transparent the longer the game goes on if he is scum or dead if he is town.
I'll probably narrow the list down but I would like to keep the lynch between erandorr/risk/tyrran/refallen. Out of those erandorr appears to be by far the safest lynch and the only reason I haven't been actively pushing him as the #1 lynch was to give him more time and because it's pretty disappointing if he again decided not to play due to rolling scum.
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On January 07 2012 03:03 layabout wrote:Erandorr:+ Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 09:54 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 09:49 Blazinghand wrote:On January 05 2012 09:49 Blazinghand wrote:On January 05 2012 09:48 Erandorr wrote:
The last time I looked the game was full already, didn't even realize I am in this until now.
The biggest question for me right now is this:
Blazinghand are you WBGs Smurf? Or his long lost brother, maybe?
Yes clearly i'm WBG's smurf with thousands of posts This post is sarcastic. I am not his smurf. In case that's not clear. And the long lost brother part? missed a lot of time, starts by joking around On January 06 2012 09:16 Erandorr wrote:
Ya I probably should post sometime soon but I am really tired and want to sleep soon. If anyone has any question for me just go ahead, I will provide content of my own tomorrow. Promises content on the next day (which would be today) just now posts On January 07 2012 01:39 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 00:51 syllogism wrote:
While I consider palmar the better lynch out of wiggles/palmar, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch palmar today. We've other very good lynches available, it's a setup with 6 scum and he is very likely to become more transparent the longer the game goes on if he is scum or dead if he is town.
I'll probably narrow the list down but I would like to keep the lynch between erandorr/risk/tyrran/refallen. Out of those erandorr appears to be by far the safest lynch and the only reason I haven't been actively pushing him as the #1 lynch was to give him more time and because it's pretty disappointing if he again decided not to play due to rolling scum. I actually didn't roll scum. I just missed the start and don't seem to find a way into the game. I already stated with my brilliant 1 liner that I sort of dislike a Wiggles lynch and actually would like to lynch Palmar today. I don't quite know what to do with all the other crap that has been posted, since the only person I have a clear Town read on is you (YES IM TRYING TO BUDDY UP) claims town and makes an excuse doesn't seem to be trying to help, or be serious On January 07 2012 01:55 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 01:48 Zephirdd wrote:On January 07 2012 01:30 Refallen wrote:
Yes, but would a scum immediately stick his neck out to try to lynch one of the more prominent players here? Especially assuming, of course, if Palmar flips town he will probably get lynched or at the very least be focused on the next day? Essentially trading a townie for a scum. And even if a scum team deems this worthwhile, would they send mr.wiggles to do the accusing, seeing as how he has a high chance of being the better player on the scum team? Same thing with jackal, and it's why I think they might be town. The only mitigating factor is the fact that syllo was on palmars case early in the game, and wiggles/jackal thought that was the green light in getting palmar lynched. I think the explanation that they're town is more likely though.
Also, syllo, why do you still want to lynch me?
They would, exactly because someone would end up asking this question. Someone mentioned that there is a 80% rate of mislynch on day one on a mafia dedicated forum, and that is quite something. This is enough to say that you cannot push someone as scum because he made a mistake day 1 - which is something many players interpret wrongly. It's NORMAL for town to make mistakes as long as they are justifiable. However, Palmar points out a good amount of inconsistencies on MrWiggles' case, and we should also consider that he is an experienced player(compared to most of the lineup). He knows better than making those mistakes, and we all know that inexperienced players would fail to see these little inconsistencies and end up lynching Palmar. If there is one thing perfectly fine for a scum team, is to lynch an enemy Palmar right off the bat; ESPECIALLY day 1 where the most wrong cases occur. Although the same could be said for MW(a scum Palmar would benefit a whole lot from lynching MW), the difference is that Palmar's case is much stronger than MrWiggles, especially when, by building that case, he broke a good lot of MrWiggles' arguments. Either way, we can also consider that both Palmar AND MrWiggles may be scum(two families). Out of the two, which is the one you would rather like to lynch and why? asks a person who supported Palmars case and subsequently voted for Wiggles which of the two they want to lynch On January 07 2012 02:11 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 01:56 Dirkzor wrote:On January 07 2012 00:51 syllogism wrote:
While I consider palmar the better lynch out of wiggles/palmar, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch palmar today. We've other very good lynches available, it's a setup with 6 scum and he is very likely to become more transparent the longer the game goes on if he is scum or dead if he is town.
I'll probably narrow the list down but I would like to keep the lynch between erandorr/risk/tyrran/refallen. Out of those erandorr appears to be by far the safest lynch and the only reason I haven't been actively pushing him as the #1 lynch was to give him more time and because it's pretty disappointing if he again decided not to play due to rolling scum. While I agree that palmar/Wiggles aren't our best lynch option, why would you rather hang Palmar? Meta? Because i feel that Wiggles case is bad. Whether it is intentionally to push an agenda or just bad i don't know. About your other targets I find risk the most scummiest. Why do you think Risk is scummiest and not Tyrran/me? If I am not mistaken then Syllos reasons to rather lynch Palmar have very little to do with the arguments Wiggles brought forward. Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 01:59 Zephirdd wrote:On January 07 2012 01:55 Erandorr wrote:On January 07 2012 01:48 Zephirdd wrote:On January 07 2012 01:30 Refallen wrote:
Yes, but would a scum immediately stick his neck out to try to lynch one of the more prominent players here? Especially assuming, of course, if Palmar flips town he will probably get lynched or at the very least be focused on the next day? Essentially trading a townie for a scum. And even if a scum team deems this worthwhile, would they send mr.wiggles to do the accusing, seeing as how he has a high chance of being the better player on the scum team? Same thing with jackal, and it's why I think they might be town. The only mitigating factor is the fact that syllo was on palmars case early in the game, and wiggles/jackal thought that was the green light in getting palmar lynched. I think the explanation that they're town is more likely though.
Also, syllo, why do you still want to lynch me?
They would, exactly because someone would end up asking this question. Someone mentioned that there is a 80% rate of mislynch on day one on a mafia dedicated forum, and that is quite something. This is enough to say that you cannot push someone as scum because he made a mistake day 1 - which is something many players interpret wrongly. It's NORMAL for town to make mistakes as long as they are justifiable. However, Palmar points out a good amount of inconsistencies on MrWiggles' case, and we should also consider that he is an experienced player(compared to most of the lineup). He knows better than making those mistakes, and we all know that inexperienced players would fail to see these little inconsistencies and end up lynching Palmar. If there is one thing perfectly fine for a scum team, is to lynch an enemy Palmar right off the bat; ESPECIALLY day 1 where the most wrong cases occur. Although the same could be said for MW(a scum Palmar would benefit a whole lot from lynching MW), the difference is that Palmar's case is much stronger than MrWiggles, especially when, by building that case, he broke a good lot of MrWiggles' arguments. Either way, we can also consider that both Palmar AND MrWiggles may be scum(two families). Out of the two, which is the one you would rather like to lynch and why? Check the voting post and decide for yourself who I would rather like to lynch. Hint: it's obvious As for "why", I think I stated a couple times already. Ya, mistake on my side, sorry. he is asking lots of questions and saying bugger all about what he thinks I am completely fine with an Erandorr lynch. @Syllogism, why do you no longer think we should lynch Grackaroni?
I liked some of his newer posts and don't think he is a great lynch today, nothing more specific than that
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On January 07 2012 03:49 Dirkzor wrote:Syllo why are you cherrypicking what question you answer?! Question!
I'm cherry picking because the answer isn't going to be particularly satisfying and it's unlikely that they will be lynched today. I don't agree with a lot of what Wiggles says about palmar's play, but I've been independently dissatisfied with Palmar's play and I know him very well. It feels to me as if he is only putting in enough effort so that I don't push for his lynch today. He isn't actively pushing to produce information or leading lynches. He is asking some questions, but it doesn't even sound like he is interested in hearing the answers or doing anything with them. I also don't think town palmar would consider Wiggles the best lynch today.
Wiggles hasn't been as active as I would like, but he has rolled scum very frequently and this doesn't yet look like his scum play. While I currently I've a slight town read of him, I haven't put that much effort into reading and analyzing his posts due to thinking that there are much better targets available, I'm not that confident in my read. The two scum team setup also likely makes my early town reads less reliable.
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Wiggles what do you think about Erandorr and Risk nuke and don't you think that in a 6 scum game it would be safer play to lynch one of them or Tyrran as I would estimate that they are at least as likely to flip scum and are going to be considerably more worthless even if we happen to be wrong.
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On January 07 2012 07:03 Palmar wrote:
whatever. im moving my vote to eran. someone pointed out pushing me like that day 1 is risky. if i get lynched itll at least be a lesson in why listening to meta that has nothing to do with alignment is dumb as fuck.
My problem with your play isn't based on meta, but rather on you not caring about the game and you know it
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We should lynch erandorr/risk/tyrran today, regardless of how scummy you think palmar is being. The fact people don't seem to be willing to hop on those wagons despite me repeatedly giving them an opportunity to do so is suspicious. If palmar is scum, he has two scum mates who should be looking for alternative wagons by now. It's of course quite possible that his team mates are on that list but regardless lynching one of those 3 is better day 1 play.
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Wiggles: I think palmar is likely scum. It's pretty much impossible to assign probabilities to flips so I'm not even going to bother, but I guess I could say that I don't think they are particularly more likely to flip scum than palmar. The issue is where we are if they don't flip scum; losing palmar day 1 would definitely be much worse. We can probably lynch him tomorrow if he keeps playing like this.
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Palmar don't you want risk to answer your question
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Do you think we should lynch him over erandorr if the answer doesn't make sense?
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By the way palmar you said you had a town read on wiggles before he "derped out" that case. He had 3 posts before that and they were about general mechanic/policy things.
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On January 07 2012 21:50 Tyrran wrote:
As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid.
Amazing, amazing. Tyrran you will have to try really hard tomorrow to dig yourself out of the hole you are currently in. I suppose scum might choose their words more carefully.
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Palmar: Erandorr was at like 5 votes (your friend risk.nuke said he found erandorr scummy but didn't vote) and if he is scum, he only has 2 scum mates. There are 18 people in the game.
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Haha jackal we can only lynch one person and there are 3 or maybe 4 people who are extremely likely to all flip scum (erandorr, risk, palmar and possibly tyrran)
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If he is scum, he has only two team mates and only 1-2 of "us" can die every night. I don't think lynching him is going to be difficult at all.
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Says the guy who is voting for Tyrran, who is at 2 votes. I think we should consolidate on erandorr/risk, though I'm reconsidering palmar again as I don't really see how he can be town by this point
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard palmar
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Cwave: So who would you rather lynch out of erandorr/risk? There is very little reason to believe that you aren't scum as well; are you going to be too busy for the remainder of the game or do you actually intend to start scum hunting and posting content at some point? Your post count and content is barely above RoL's.
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Day ends in 3 hours, but within an hour or two is fine. I'm fine with lynching either erandorr/risk
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