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syllogism
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Palmar
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What do you think about chaoser mentioning that he thinks he knows what GM is doing? Whatever GM is doing I'm pretty certain it's dumb as shit. I can't think of anything that looks like a plan based on how GM has been posting. | ||
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syllogism
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VisceraEyes
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Palmar
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Palmar
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On December 21 2011 19:21 Palmar wrote: You never responded about L and BC syllo, what do you think of those two? Both completely worthless so far, so potentially decent lynches even today | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
GMarshal is getting my vote. All he has given us is the idea of policy lynching the hydra, which includes sandroba who is one of the best players in this game. It's straight up beneficial to scum to get him killed off. In addition, GMarshal has stated outside games that he always suggests a Chezinu policy lynch regardless of his alignment. The fact that he brought it up here without actually pushing it looks very much like him bringing it up because he knows we expect him to. That's what I meant when I asked GM the question he hasn't responded to yet earlier. I don't even care if GM is right or wrong about the hydra because that's subjective (is he harder to read? are hydras better for town or scum?), the problem I have is that he doesn't offer us anything beyond that, and in a game of veterans only I'd expect us to do better than to policy lynch something on day one. All in all, I see no town reasons for playing the way GM is playing right now. Look to Cosmic Horror if you want to see how I'd expect a town GM to play on day 1. ##Vote GMarshal | ||
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
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SamuelLJackson
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@L I see you included us on your arbitrary "list" of I don't even know what (people who can read roles?) but I'm pretty sure neither me or curu has ever played with you before and seeing that you are gone for a long time you don't strike me as someone that reads recent games. Care to explain your reasoning to posting such list? You also jump to the conclusion that there must be 1-2 mafia in that arbitrary list of nothingness. Any particular explanation for that? @palmar/syllo I don't know if I'm just biased but I didn't like any of wiggles posts. What do you guys think of them? /sandroba | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On December 21 2011 19:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar, what happened to your L suspicion? Gone with the wind? I can only vote one person per day. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On December 21 2011 19:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Can you guys clue me in to what you consider to be 'worth something'? Because you call everyone worthless, and I'm failing to see how that's any better than any of them giving a whole list of null reads. Most everyone you guys have mentioned has said who they find suspicious, and I'm just not seeing why you're calling these people worthless. You just got moved up to my ally list below the bum. FINALLY! someone else is using the define useless argument besides me. I've been asking that question for a long time.. still no reply...Welcome to the family. | ||
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syllogism
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On December 21 2011 19:45 SamuelLJackson wrote: to get discussion to move on from the useless shit it was before. useless... oh you mean when everyone wanted to lynch you? You gotz scared? I understand. That was a brilliant move. Shift the blame tactic.. my new v-eyes is on to you.. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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SamuelLJackson
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On December 21 2011 19:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Can you guys clue me in to what you consider to be 'worth something'? Because you call everyone worthless, and I'm failing to see how that's any better than any of them giving a whole list of null reads. Most everyone you guys have mentioned has said who they find suspicious, and I'm just not seeing why you're calling these people worthless. I'll try to be nice but you're starting to annoy me VE. GM's posts are completely worthless, the reason is that nothing he has posted furthers our goals of finding mafia. Here's his best attempt at provoking/scumhunting in the thread: On December 20 2011 21:39 GMarshal wrote: A hydra is an account shared by two players, in this case SamuelLJackson shared by Curu and Sandroba. They are, of course the ideal target for a day one lynch! As they have the issue of being extremely difficult to read, because of the two heads. ##Vote: SamuelLJackson Also, as much as I love Chezinu, is anyone up for either policy lynching him or teaching me how the hell you get a grasp on his alignment? I enjoy his insanity, but its hardly conducive to figuring out his alignment. This is useless for a town point of view, the possible goal of this is to either get the hydra lynched (which he does a stunningly bad job at), or to provoke a reaction (which won't work because there is no actual case, just a policy, you can't argue with dumb policies). So, this post does nothing to further our goals. On December 21 2011 01:59 GMarshal wrote: Or we could just ignore roles and work on analysis, since in a half flip setup with completely unknown mechanics its going to be hard to sort out truth from lies. Funny, coming from the man with the least amount of effort put into the thread. Another worthless post. Sadly, GM isn't the only person posting like that. Read BC's only post in the game here: On December 21 2011 13:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK, this game is seriously wtf balls at the moment. To state a few things after my quick read through the thread. Bum and chez regardless of alignment have actively helped people regardless of what people may or may not believe. Their posts illustrate what I am saying. If you cannot find it now it will become apparent later. As for the general play of this game. It is responsibility mafia. This should just mean Ver has made a game that is designed to stop blatant asshattery. Playing badly will get punished is the general take. Now one point of this game that has me instantly glued to is the whole idea of RNG day 1 lynch. L is saying its anti town to base an initial lynch off it while palmar believes it is pro town. Guess what? L is right, Palmar is wrong. RNG the person who is lynched gives no real onus to the player or players responsible for the name being brought up and then lynched. In a game with a no flip on role mechanic will also not let us glean information about the games setup. Since the advantage of discussing lynch choices day 1 is forcing people to take a stand via analysis not luck. If you analyze player x and they flip town you look slightly bad. If the logic used was poor then information was garnered on the accuser. If you RNG a day 1 lynch it is a crap shot and you learn near nothing from the lynch except the few peoples stance on RNG who started the process. Now as Palmar is pushing an obvious shitty play I will quote something of his. Step your game up, for your post you have a filter of terribly uninspired posts talking about very neutral topics. BC only brings up three points in this entire post. 1. He vaguely says Chez/Bum might be useful at some point in the game. I have no clue how he reached this conclusion and he doesn't offer any explanation. 2. He brings up RNG long after the discussion on that had died down. There is absolutely no reason to even talk about it, either town does it early in the day or ignores it. This is why I never push the idea beyond the first few hours of the game, because it hurts discussion if it gets shot down. 3. He tells me to stop making vague posts (how ironic). Do you think any of these points further our goals in finding mafia? Do you think that because of this post we are more likely to hit scum today? I don't think so. Thus this post is worthless. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Lynching Lurkers Starring: Palmar In today's episode, we'll take a look at one of the scummiest bastards in the game, Palmar. Chapter 1: L Initially, he took the stance that L was being worthless and had to die. And by had to die, I mean had to be prodded into activity by randomly slinging shit at him most of the day. I called him out for it, because I haven't found much of a problem with L's posts, and because it looked like he was setting up going for the easy lurker lynch. Right before Palmar switched gears, L had a grand total of THREE in-game posts. This means that in spite of everything that's going on, everyone with content in the thread and all the information that's been gained so far, the scummiest person by his estimation has been a lurker. It's worth noting that I defended L's contributions at this point, and I'm not only not scummy for defending one of his scum reads, but not even acknowledged as having said anything to him at all. This is interesting, because the discussion about L's contributions was still going on when Palmar returned to the thread. Rather than comment further on why L is "useless" and should be lynched, he switches gears entirely. Chapter 2: GMarshal He and syllogism agree that GM is very useless. I mean, there's only so much you can do with FOUR in-game posts...but at any rate, again, Palmar is going after the LURKERS here, so GM makes for an excellent target. He concludes that the case on GM boils down to "contributes nothing but Policy Lynches"...nevermind that at the only time in-game that GM has been posting in the thread, that was what was being discussed. That's not important. What's important is that GM hasn't contributed anything to the thread but Policy Lynches. I agree that this isn't the most phenomenal contribution, but keep in mind that this is a game chock full of veterans plus a couple decent newer players. I find it rather hard to believe that GM has 'scummily active-lurked in the thread', which MIGHT justify lynching someone with FOUR IN-GAME POSTS. And it's not as if GM has been derailing discussion with his policy lynches. They're simply all he's showed up to contribute so far. But according to Palmar, that's fucking SCUMMY bro. Why? Why is the fact that GM hasn't come back into the thread halfway through the day scummy? He can't be busy? Why condone a lynch on someone who has almost no information down in the thread when there are so many people in town who have contributed more than GM and have actual information to analyze? He even states that "I expect we can do better than a half-assed policy-lynch D1"...WHILE CONDONING A LURKER LYNCH WITHOUT EVEN ANALYZING ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN-THREAD!!! He's taking the path of least resistance hoping to snag a few followers so that when he's safely away from the almost inevitable townie lynch today, he doesn't look suspicious. I'm fucking calling it. Anyway, I call him out again because I'm starting to notice a trend. I ask he and syllogism to explain what they mean by useless, because that seems to be what they both consider the majority of the active player-base to be. Palmar responds with another analysis, this time BloodyC0bbler, another lurker Chapter 3: BloodyC0bbler He opens by attempting to diplomatically "play nice" with me, because for some reason, talking to him about the game is "starting to piss him off"...I hadn't even hinted at suspicion of him at this point, I've simply been asking questions and trying to interact with him, townie to "townie". At any rate, he then goes on to describe why BC's ONE post is scummier than the whole thread, excepting GM's Policy Lynches...because that's where his vote is. Like, the arrogance of thinking you can catch scum in as little as 2 posts, when there's so much other information to analyze, is astounding to me. BloodyC0bbler has all of TWO in-game posts in this thread, and one is a drunk post that has literally ZERO content. So he's basing his analysis of his other top suspect off of ONE post. I'm incredulously shaking my head at the screen while typing this just thinking about it. Epilogue I dabble in divination. Sometimes I think I can see the future. I predict that Palmar will be infuriated with my case. That suddenly, I'm just 'bad' all over again, in spite of him having stated IN-THREAD that he feels I've "proven I can scumhunt". I predict that he'll dismiss my case entirely. I also predict that I'll have far more support for his lynch than he anticipates. Time will tell. But I think Palmar is scum. tl;dr Palmar's suspects : Their Post-count L : 3 GM : 4 BC : 2 (1) Rather than scumhunt, Palmar is on a lurker witch-hunt. It's lazy scum play. Palmar admits his scum play is terrible. You do the math. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Unvote: Foolishness ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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