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Chezinu
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syllogism
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
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SLJ, Foolishness, and chaoser. @Palmar Why don't you tell me? I wouldn't want to spoil the surprise for you. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Palmar
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On December 21 2011 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: @Palmar Why don't you tell me? I wouldn't want to spoil the surprise for you. No, you seem to be assuming that my entire reason for wanting to lynch GMarshal is because he's a lurker, instead of the reasons I gave when I voted him. If that is the case, there is no difference between GM and for example Sheth, who has produced even less content. The problem is your theory doesn't actually account for this, because it ignores the possibility I might be trying to lynch people based on WHAT they post, not HOW MUCH they post. The only explanation I can give you is what's true, I want to lynch GM because he's pushing a policy lynch on a good player instead of actually trying to find mafia in the thread. To give you some perspective on this, here is GM's opening post as mafia in Closed Casket Mafia, where he suggests a Chezinu policy lynch: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9966216 And here is his opening smurfing as ferryman in Cosmic Horror Mafia as town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11036081 No policy lynch, actual scumhunting based on events in the thread. But, according to your theory, all this is irrelevant because I am solely out to get him because I'm trying to get a lurker lynched, so you must now explain to me how me picking GM over someone like Sheth fits your theory. You cannot actually do that because I'm not scum. Since you cannot do that all that remains is to see if you're wrong because you're dumb, or if you're wrong because you're scum. I'm leaning dumb at the moment. | ||
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Palmar
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On December 21 2011 22:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Hell, I'd be thrilled if you gave a reason why you voted for GM vs your other scum reads BC and L. Anything really. Where did I say that BC was a scum read? Please stop putting words in my mouth. I think my exact words regarding BC were: On December 21 2011 18:53 Palmar wrote: Did you notice that BloodyC0bbler came into the thread and the one thing he focused on was the RNG idea, something that had been out of the discussion for a long while by then. I still believe it's a good idea if a town would roll with it from the start, but at the point his post is completely irrelevant to the discussion, to the point that this post is basically a huge pile of nothing. We know absolutely nothing about BC from that one post. This post is aimed at syllo, in an attempt to open a discussion with him, which should help town both scumhunt and get a read on both of us. As for L, I already explained I can only vote for one person today, and I think the case against GMarshal is stronger. In addition, I'm usually more comfortable lynching players I know because I know what to expect from them. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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....a good defense. There could be any number of reasons why scumPalmar would choose GM over Sheth. You provided one already - you have meta on GM and feel you could more easily lynch him over Sheth, a raw newbie in TL Mafia. Perhaps Sheth is your scumbuddy. I have no idea why you chose who you did, but my point is that you didn't say why. You gave 1 reason, that GM is pushing policy lynches for 4 posts almost at the beginning of the day, and later after I cased you claimed to have meta on GM that shows that he's scum. Your point on BC is fair - I took your calling him useless as synonymous with scummy, so I apologize for assuming he was a scumread. As for L, you have been slinging shit at L all day. You commented on GM, but felt the compulsion to agree with Foolishness that L needs to be lynched today before you decided to come play with us. And only now have made a case for GM, with your vote. Your point on lynching players you know is fair, but it begs the question: why haven't you pushed GM all day instead of L, a player you don't know? | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Palmar
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On December 21 2011 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:There could be any number of reasons why scumPalmar would choose GM over Sheth. You provided one already - you have meta on GM and feel you could more easily lynch him over Sheth, a raw newbie in TL Mafia. Perhaps Sheth is your scumbuddy. I have no idea why you chose who you did, but my point is that you didn't say why. You gave 1 reason, that GM is pushing policy lynches for 4 posts almost at the beginning of the day, and later after I cased you claimed to have meta on GM that shows that he's scum. First off, I used Sheth as an example. GGQ has exactly one post in the thread, Foolishness has a few one-liners. It could be any of the lurkers. I picked GM because of what he posted, not because of how much he posted. Do you honestly think I picked GMarshal as an easy lynch target? On December 21 2011 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote: As for L, you have been slinging shit at L all day. You commented on GM, but felt the compulsion to agree with Foolishness that L needs to be lynched today before you decided to come play with us. And only now have made a case for GM, with your vote. Your point on lynching players you know is fair, but it begs the question: why haven't you pushed GM all day instead of L, a player you don't know? How do you propose we lynch mafia who doesn't post a lot? Do they just get an auto-pass in your book? I also want to point out that you're just wrong I've been slinging shit at L all day, I've made exactly 3 mentions of L this game, one here where I complained about the neutrality of his opening post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12838359 The second is the post where I agree with Foolishness that L would be a good kill, and then point out to you that all of L's posts are extremely careful and ambiguous, and the third is me asking syllo what he thinks about L's posting this game. I wouldn't exactly call that slinging shit. Not that I'd actually be fine with lynching L since his posting is still terrible, but I see less scum motivation for posting what he has posted, than I see in GM's posts, thus the case on GM is stronger and that's the one I'm focusing on now. I cannot actually do much about GM when he doesn't post in the thread. Immediately after he suggested this policy lynch, I posted this question towards him: On December 20 2011 22:18 Palmar wrote: Why is all you have to offer policy lynches GMarshal? Are you playing to your meta of suggesting a Chezinu policy lynch every game? Which he never answered, and hasn't actually posted anything since. Did you want me to ask it repeatedly? I'm not sure what you're expecting of me here. Just assume for a minute that GM is scum, how do you expect us to lynch him if we're disallowed to go after him because he lurks? You're defending a scum candidate based on the fact that he's not posting. Even you should see what's wrong with that. What do you think about GM now, ignore my alignment for a second, go read his posts and what they mean, and try to figure out for yourself what his alignment is. Think about what motivation he may have for posting what he's posted. Do you read those posts and conclude he must be town? null? I really, really doubt it. Of course the defense is good, I'm not scum, so it must be good by definition because it's true. | ||
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Palmar
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I even stated that GM has said he'd push for a chezinu policy lynch regardless of his alignment. However, that shouldn't mean he gets a free pass because of it. The case is what I wrote in the post where I voted him, actually, instead of reading my case, read his posts. | ||
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Chezinu
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[QUOTE]On December 21 2011 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: he's pushing a policy lynch on a good player instead of actually trying to find mafia in the thread[/QUOTE] Dear diary, My eyes initially showed me the color of red when I at the palm... I though the pain that I was receiving came for the hand and the only way to stop the pain from spreading was to cut it off.. but then my heart started to tell me a different story and my eyes began to doubt what it had seen. Could it be that the palm really cares about me and that it is just in pain because of outside sources? I believe the palm is on my side... to remove it... I'm not sure if I can do anymore... as long as it is on my side and is not a cancer.. oh my heart... you know are now watering my eyes to clear my vision... My heart is so touched by the palm... I now understand how some can read palms... through the heart and not the eyes does one receive its signals.. Oh how I can't stop but continue to clear my vision with water... How much my heart wants to believe that it is true... my eyes my look again once the water has past... Take courage heart... | ||
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bumatlarge
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Palmar
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[QUOTE]On December 21 2011 22:56 Palmar wrote: [QUOTE]On December 21 2011 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: he's pushing a policy lynch on a good player instead of actually trying to find mafia in the thread[/QUOTE] Dear diary, My eyes initially showed me the color of red when I at the palm... I though the pain that I was receiving came for the hand and the only way to stop the pain from spreading was to cut it off.. but then my heart started to tell me a different story and my eyes began to doubt what it had seen. Could it be that the palm really cares about me and that it is just in pain because of outside sources? I believe the palm is on my side... to remove it... I'm not sure if I can do anymore... as long as it is on my side and is not a cancer.. oh my heart... you know are now watering my eyes to clear my vision... My heart is so touched by the palm... I now understand how some can read palms... through the heart and not the eyes does one receive its signals.. Oh how I can't stop but continue to clear my vision with water... How much my heart wants to believe that it is true... my eyes my look again once the water has past... Take courage heart...[/QUOTE] The good player is Sandroba, not you. | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 21 2011 13:51 Foolishness wrote: I will support BC in everything at this point because he used the word asshattery. Foolishness trolling -_- Apparently we're not allowed to touch him because he is too good? I haven't seen any attempt from him to establish himself as a pro-town player. Where is the effort? :/ I find it strange that BC comes in and tells Palmar to step up his game considering he only has one post, while complaining about him discussing neutral topics. He just finished spending three paragraphs describing why RNG is worse than analysis. Of course it is. I was worried Palmar not really pushing his influence on the lynch at first, but he seems to have picked things up. chaoser, would you mind explaining what you think GM is doing? And, GM what are you doing? Finally..... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xTYrk.jpg) | ||
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On December 21 2011 17:15 chaoser wrote: What is it? RE: Metric I was hoping to be able to say it when I woke up, but the thread's been confirming how I thought the game would roll out since I went to sleep, so I want the trap to sit out there a bit more. Give it another hour and a bit. | ||
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Palmar
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