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On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote:Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again. Show nested quote +1. MarserBlood
2. nyczbrandon
8. Refallen
9. Cwave
11. MrZentor
15. evantrees
17. DropBear
23. Nisani201
24. cascades
25. ProfessorBadass (Curu + Erandorr hydra) Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one. :p Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him. I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person.
Building off Eii's accusations, here you say that either zeks is stupid or mafia, then you nonchalantly say that we should lynch him because he is the all we have at the moment in the next post. To me this doesnt look like an accusation or pressure, to me this looks like someone jumping on an easy wagon.
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To clarify, I am now voting for MrZentor.
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On December 13 2011 13:23 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote:Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again. 1. MarserBlood
2. nyczbrandon
8. Refallen
9. Cwave
11. MrZentor
15. evantrees
17. DropBear
23. Nisani201
24. cascades
25. ProfessorBadass (Curu + Erandorr hydra) Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one. :p Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him. I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person. Building off Eii's accusations, here you say that either zeks is stupid or mafia, then you nonchalantly say that we should lynch him because he is the all we have at the moment in the next post. To me this doesnt look like an accusation or pressure, to me this looks like someone jumping on an easy wagon.
he says as he hops on my easy bandwagon
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On December 13 2011 13:26 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 13:23 GreYMisT wrote:On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote:Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again. 1. MarserBlood
2. nyczbrandon
8. Refallen
9. Cwave
11. MrZentor
15. evantrees
17. DropBear
23. Nisani201
24. cascades
25. ProfessorBadass (Curu + Erandorr hydra) Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one. :p Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him. I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person. Building off Eii's accusations, here you say that either zeks is stupid or mafia, then you nonchalantly say that we should lynch him because he is the all we have at the moment in the next post. To me this doesnt look like an accusation or pressure, to me this looks like someone jumping on an easy wagon. he says as he hops on my easy bandwagon
haha, i pointed out a logical falicy in what he was saying before you voted for him.
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Lynching a lurker should be our ABSOLUTE last option. Rather than taking them out of the game, we should instead make as much of an effort to bring them into the discussions as we can.
I'll start by saying that DropBear is looking a bit scummy to me. He makes a post telling us to vote for him, not lynch a hydra, endorses Radfield, and discourages discussion on the mayor and pardoner roles. He then promptly disappears off the face of the planet, reappearing only to dodge a bit of poking from arctocod.
DropBear's filter + Show Spoiler +LOL Kavdragon the village idiot.
I am running for mayor too
I've played over 10 games with a reasonable win rate. I also have been sniped really early the last few times I've played due to nailing mafia early and want to last longer this time. I suck horribly at lying and am really obvious as a Mafia so you know what you are getting.
I don't think voting for any of the hydras is a good idea, they are hydras because they don't have the time/effort to be involved individually. Vote for a single player people.
I would endorse Radfield other than myself as he is easily the best player here and I feel is also not that hard to tell his alignment.
These posts about what the mayor and pardoner do and why they are important are basically spam. We can read we know what the roles do. Focus on who we are electing and why rather than clutter the thread. Cos this tactic worked so well last time Palmar -_-
DropBear's scumminess makes some sense here: Throw in your bid for mayor, just so that scum can have a bid, then, when you see that it isn't going well, vanish in the confusion of the arguments of the other candidates. DropBear, please give us some more information: prove to us that you are not scum, because right now, you look pretty scummy. I'm casing my lynch vote right now for DropBear
To clarify: I'm not changing my mind in the same post: I still think that lynching all lurkers is a bad thing. I'm using my vote in this case to put some pressure on a very scummy looking lurker to try and draw him back into the discussion. If DropBear can prove to me that he's not scum, my vote will go somewhere else.
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On December 13 2011 03:08 Spaackle wrote:
For the lurkers in the thread, maybe a couple questions would get some activity:
1. What do you think of the No Pardon, No Exception rule?
2. Give your specific impressions of the campaigns so far, especially the major ones.
Remember, the more you get into the game you're playing, the more fun it is! :D
1. Definitely agree with this. As many people have already said, the pardoner role essentially negates a day, and wastes time for town. It is also because of this reason that whoever ends up the pardoner would probably be a good target to lynch if there's any doubt at all about his town-niness, especially when it gets closer to the endgame.
2. I think Radfield and syllomar are both town.
prplhz, you said this
I will be voting for the person who stays active, transparent and makes the most sense to me today, and I recommend everybody else does this too. I will not vote for anybody based on what they've done in other games, if you want my vote you need to perform now, not yesterday. There are probably people who are more likely to do this than others, but my mind is open.
but then you moved on, quite quickly, to vote for palmar/syllo instead, here.
Actually screw that, I'll likely vote for Arctocod unless I get major scum vibe from them. I think that they combined are easily the best scum hunters in this game so I don't want them dead. I'll advise everybody else to vote for them too, I'd like to see Radfield/ProfessorBadass as Pardoner though. I don't really know about GreYMisT, he's supposedly good but I don't think I've ever seen him in action.
what prompted this?
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I just read Greymist's analysis on Jistu and I think he is much more viable lynch then Zeks.
Eiii, why are you voting MyZentor? You provided no reason other than a quote.
Somewhat off topic: after playing in XLVII, this is much more relaxing... so much better not having 100 players or whatever it was that game.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! I don't know who to lynch yet D:
IMO there are 4 candidates for lynching atm, I'm going to look 'em all over and say my thoughts on them: stay tuned.
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For the lynching scenario:
1. Lynch a lurker, guarantee losing a towny
2. Lynch someone active, either hit scum or lose an active towny.
So far i think only greymist has the only analysis that is actually backed by logic
Spackle, your analysis on Dropbear is 100% theory, and I would not like to lynch based off that
MrZentor's reasoning behind going for Zeks explains nothing either, what does 'having the hydra only helps town' mean?
This being said, I'd tentatively vote for Jistu. Worst case scenario, we lose a towny either way. But with the amount of active posters, i think it's worth the shot to try for hitting a red.
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How many reds are in this game btw?
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Dropbear can you adequately explain why you announced your candidacy, attacked hydras for their supposed "inactivity" and then disappeared off the face of the planet. Thanks in advance
ProfessorBadass (Curu+Erandoor) you too, except for the attack on hydras? Erandorr I expect you to to post too and please sign your posts
/syllogism
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Woops 5 people. Also, I agree, the election is pretty much over at this point :/
1) Zeks:
Let's be honest, I'm not going to rehash what we have against him as it's been said multiple times already. If you don't know, read the thread and you'll see. That said, his responses since my initial accusation have been sufficient and calmly answered with good logic behind them, so I am removing my vote for now, as others (as in Eii) are.
2) Dropbear:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2011 13:39 Spaackle wrote:Lynching a lurker should be our ABSOLUTE last option. Rather than taking them out of the game, we should instead make as much of an effort to bring them into the discussions as we can. I'll start by saying that DropBear is looking a bit scummy to me. He makes a post telling us to vote for him, not lynch a hydra, endorses Radfield, and discourages discussion on the mayor and pardoner roles. He then promptly disappears off the face of the planet, reappearing only to dodge a bit of poking from arctocod. DropBear's filter + Show Spoiler +LOL Kavdragon the village idiot.
I am running for mayor too
I've played over 10 games with a reasonable win rate. I also have been sniped really early the last few times I've played due to nailing mafia early and want to last longer this time. I suck horribly at lying and am really obvious as a Mafia so you know what you are getting.
I don't think voting for any of the hydras is a good idea, they are hydras because they don't have the time/effort to be involved individually. Vote for a single player people.
I would endorse Radfield other than myself as he is easily the best player here and I feel is also not that hard to tell his alignment.
These posts about what the mayor and pardoner do and why they are important are basically spam. We can read we know what the roles do. Focus on who we are electing and why rather than clutter the thread. Cos this tactic worked so well last time Palmar -_- DropBear's scumminess makes some sense here: Throw in your bid for mayor, just so that scum can have a bid, then, when you see that it isn't going well, vanish in the confusion of the arguments of the other candidates. DropBear, please give us some more information: prove to us that you are not scum, because right now, you look pretty scummy. I'm casing my lynch vote right now for DropBearTo clarify: I'm not changing my mind in the same post: I still think that lynching all lurkers is a bad thing. I'm using my vote in this case to put some pressure on a very scummy looking lurker to try and draw him back into the discussion. If DropBear can prove to me that he's not scum, my vote will go somewhere else.
This is what Spaackle has said on him. And I'm starting to agree with him, especially because on of our vets actually declared suspicion on Dropbear but noone really payed any attention to it:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2011 15:37 Arctocod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 15:27 GiygaS wrote:I'm already tired of people saying something and not explaining why? You can't just say "Yo, my name's prof (insert funny pic here) vote for me." You can't just say "yo you are so mafia". Please tell people, especially us newbies WHY you need to be elected, or WHY he is mafia. @Dropbear: It's important we get these things done now so we don't A) Have a misinterpretation that bite's our asses down the line B) Have no regulation and let mafia run free in the elected positions. We should make a constitution for the elected officials  Dropbear is suspicious based his very first post because he is making a ridiculous assumption about our activity in order to prevent us from being elected. The main point of me and palmar being hydras is that we know each others alignment and can thus freely discuss everything. It has nothing to do with activity and I can assure you we will be very active. Why would dropbear want to make that assumption? The townie motivation for it is quite weak as activity is something that will speak for itself.
FoS on Dropbear
3) MrZentor
Honestly, I don't see why people are really going on this guy: All of his posts could be theoretically made by an inactive or bad townie, and he only has 30 posts. That said, the support against him is also pretty weak, as I tend to see a lot of newer players jump on bandwagons (especially early on in the game), in their first games. One so new can feel threatened by what people are saying and just sort of latch on to the concrete thing, which was at that time votes on Zeks. Personally, I don't think he's even 50% town (more like 40%), but a relatively null-read is hard to base a decision off of.
4) Eii:
#1 Not really strong, as it's been pretty well defended with good logic, but it's some circumstantial evidence nonetheless:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2011 13:29 Eiii wrote:
I'm going to be voting for one of the hydras, in all likelihood-- from my experience, multi-person players (especially with experienced, devoted mafia players behind them) can absolutely wreck games like this. Having a pro-town hydra behind a bodyguard should be town's goal for today, in my opinion. On December 13 2011 09:09 Eiii wrote:
I'm going to be voting Radfield for mayor/pardoner. He would be good to have in either role, and now that he's posted some more I'm pretty confident that he's legit. If anyone hasn't looked at the election voting thread yet, it's literally all rad/arc, so it looks like our candidates are decided unless anyone has some major objections. Why not vote for the hydra (the kind of person you want in?) You even mention the perfect candidate in Arc :/
#2: Already making excuses:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2011 09:09 Eiii wrote:
I'm not going to lie, I generally don't really have any clue what's going on day 1, and this game is no exception. There is literally no reason for a town to say this. The only reason I can actually come up with this is: A) Adding fluff, which is Mafia logic B) Setting up an excuse if he get's caught on anything in Day 1
#3 He kind of hopped on my Zeks bandwagon :/
Overall this is only enough for an FoS, but I want to see how he responds: FoS on Eiii
5) Jitsu:
I really don't see any merit to what Greymist has been saying. They are just really weak arguments against someone IMO
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Just realized I was reading a point on page 13 about the talking about lynching or election so far for my first sentence -.- Damn you multiple open tabs.
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On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote:Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again. Show nested quote +1. MarserBlood
2. nyczbrandon
8. Refallen
9. Cwave
11. MrZentor
15. evantrees
17. DropBear
23. Nisani201
24. cascades
25. ProfessorBadass (Curu + Erandorr hydra) Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one. :p Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him. I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person.
i know you're pretty new. but seriously this post looks like someone in your scumQT told you the following:
"hey zentor, you need to post something... attack zeks, he looks pretty bad right now..."
or can you tell me a better story?
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@Arc what do you think of my mayor restriction policy? I prompted you for your pardoner policy, and I would like to do the same here before I vote.
The reason I came up with that is because I skimmed through Radfield's play in LOTR mafia. He twirled the town around his fingers as scum. He could have only wrought more destruction if he had more votes and the license to use it, which he granted himself in his reply.
What is concerning to me is that I only knew of this because LOTR mafia was linked in this very thread. Yet my attempt to start discussion on mayor powers was virtually ignored, despite Radfield's history. Something is fishy here.
As for lynch candidates, there is no one that sticks out to me. For example, while zeks has posted some questionable stuff, it may be honest mistakes. I cannot tell but maybe the vets can differentiate between honest mistakes and scumslips. A lesson here would be appreciated.
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Cascades: I don't think it's great and will be judging such situations on a case by case basis, even if Rad gets mayor. If such a scenario occurs and he disagrees with my opinion on the better lynch, I will be quite suspicious, however. It's also possible that there are other anonymous voters in the game besides just the mayor.
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On December 13 2011 12:32 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 12:18 MrZentor wrote:
On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote:
Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again.
Show nested quote +
Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one.
Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him.
I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person.
I'd much rather keep zeks around 'cause at least he's posting and I don't at all think that the case on him is strong enough yet that we can safely call him scum. Instead we could lynch one of those guys who only have two posts, they're impossible to read anyway. What do you think about that plan?
We should lynch some lurkers to keep them active, but I don't think that will get us any mafia, because the mafia will end up shifting the vote to a non mafia lurker. I am just saying that given the current information, it would be best to lynch him. This could easily change with any new information or posts. so you recognize that lynching lurkers won't kill mafia, but you still want to do it anyway? the hell?
you misunderstood him. he wants to lynch zeks.
this post looks of zentor looks better than his previous one.
i think this sounds more like his own thoughts... and if these are his own thoughts, i am willing to believe that the zeks vote might have been his own idea... but i need to talk to you zentor 
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On December 13 2011 15:43 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 12:32 GreYMisT wrote:On December 13 2011 12:18 MrZentor wrote:
On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote:
Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again.
Show nested quote +
Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one.
Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him.
I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person.
I'd much rather keep zeks around 'cause at least he's posting and I don't at all think that the case on him is strong enough yet that we can safely call him scum. Instead we could lynch one of those guys who only have two posts, they're impossible to read anyway. What do you think about that plan?
We should lynch some lurkers to keep them active, but I don't think that will get us any mafia, because the mafia will end up shifting the vote to a non mafia lurker. I am just saying that given the current information, it would be best to lynch him. This could easily change with any new information or posts. so you recognize that lynching lurkers won't kill mafia, but you still want to do it anyway? the hell? you misunderstood him. he wants to lynch zeks. this post looks of zentor looks better than his previous one. i think this sounds more like his own thoughts... and if these are his own thoughts, i am willing to believe that the zeks vote might have been his own idea... but i need to talk to you zentor
The concerns i had with his post was he said "we should lynch lurkers, but we won't find mafia there."
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@Arc: Voting powers is a serious matter to me. I felt that people weren't paying enough attention. Anyway, I accept your explanation about the mayor. The two posts and candidates don't seem to differ much then. Off to vote!
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On December 13 2011 15:48 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 15:43 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:On December 13 2011 12:32 GreYMisT wrote:On December 13 2011 12:18 MrZentor wrote:
On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote:
Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again.
Show nested quote +
Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one.
Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him.
I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person.
I'd much rather keep zeks around 'cause at least he's posting and I don't at all think that the case on him is strong enough yet that we can safely call him scum. Instead we could lynch one of those guys who only have two posts, they're impossible to read anyway. What do you think about that plan?
We should lynch some lurkers to keep them active, but I don't think that will get us any mafia, because the mafia will end up shifting the vote to a non mafia lurker. I am just saying that given the current information, it would be best to lynch him. This could easily change with any new information or posts. so you recognize that lynching lurkers won't kill mafia, but you still want to do it anyway? the hell? you misunderstood him. he wants to lynch zeks. this post looks of zentor looks better than his previous one. i think this sounds more like his own thoughts... and if these are his own thoughts, i am willing to believe that the zeks vote might have been his own idea... but i need to talk to you zentor The concerns i had with his post was he said "we should lynch lurkers, but we won't find mafia there."
no. thats not what he intended to say. he said:
lynching lurkers keeps everyone active but doesnt kill scum, therefor no.
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