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On December 13 2011 03:25 prplhz wrote:
I'll be voting either Radfield or Arctocod, using my vote to put as many of them in office as I can.
@zeks Hey, you said that you'd like to lynch a hydra or a mayor candidate, so you want to lynch either Radfield, Arctocod, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA or TotallyNotTwoPeople? Hydras because your sixth sense tells you that one of these are scum and mayor candidates because you think that scum has at least one candidate running? Am I understanding this right?
Sure why not if theres a decent case on them wouldn't be a bad choice compared to a lurker
Im talking about mayor candidates outside the elected ones obviously
Why are you voting Radfield/Arc state your reasoning sir
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Gotcha. I like this new signing thing. Make sit much nicer to understand the hydras.
So your just running for a spot, either spot.
The elected position is able to effect the game in a few more ways especially for this game I think. There have been a lot of people who havn't posted yet. A lot of people who probably won't take the time to read all 17 pages of this and think deeply on whats been said. Its just a fact because I think we have a lot of newer players to the game. Even myself, if I havn't had a lot of time to read the most recent posts because say I'm playing in some tournament or whatever for the 3 of the 4 hours before we vote I'm going to see what the mayor says first.
Its just natural I think to look to the mayor / pardoner and see what they say. Its so easy to just back them up because they have that sort of "good feel" to them. Where you don't want to go against either office simply because everyone else must agree with them or they woudln't have been put in office at first. Like even now with you in a "leading position" for office, its hard to disagree with you. Its just a slight psychological thing that isn't "immaginary" as someone posted earlier.
This game is all about psychology so clearly this position can help you affect the game in more ways then just the voting. The voting is huge as well, it allows you to be an extra person, however I get that its not a big deal until closer to the end.
And I'm fine with getting over this election thing today, but I dont want to end it without hearing more from other people who have campaigns started. I'm kind of annoyed that most of them just wrote "I want to be mayor" and then left it at that..
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On December 13 2011 03:40 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:25 prplhz wrote:
I'll be voting either Radfield or Arctocod, using my vote to put as many of them in office as I can.
@zeks Hey, you said that you'd like to lynch a hydra or a mayor candidate, so you want to lynch either Radfield, Arctocod, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA or TotallyNotTwoPeople? Hydras because your sixth sense tells you that one of these are scum and mayor candidates because you think that scum has at least one candidate running? Am I understanding this right? Zeks disappeard when I called him out for his HORRIBLE ideas. Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:19 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Secondly the Dues-ex vs risk.nuke is good, I like see'ing two players argue about anything. Its quite helpful. In this argument I think Dues-ex is more logical, but there getting off topic from the election / lynch.
You got it. lulling me is good way to collect towncred.
And pointing out I'm trying to collect towncred is a good way for you to get some good towncred too. =)
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On December 13 2011 03:47 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:40 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:On December 13 2011 03:25 prplhz wrote:
I'll be voting either Radfield or Arctocod, using my vote to put as many of them in office as I can.
@zeks Hey, you said that you'd like to lynch a hydra or a mayor candidate, so you want to lynch either Radfield, Arctocod, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA or TotallyNotTwoPeople? Hydras because your sixth sense tells you that one of these are scum and mayor candidates because you think that scum has at least one candidate running? Am I understanding this right? Zeks disappeard when I called him out for his HORRIBLE ideas. On December 13 2011 03:19 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Secondly the Dues-ex vs risk.nuke is good, I like see'ing two players argue about anything. Its quite helpful. In this argument I think Dues-ex is more logical, but there getting off topic from the election / lynch.
You got it. lulling me is good way to collect towncred. And pointing out I'm trying to collect towncred is a good way for you to get some good towncred too. =)
classic win win scenario.
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Ok, so assuming we stick to this play on No pardoning, no exceptions, the only advantage either of the offices gives is immunity on night 1 from getting hit. This just helps us keep the vets alive, am i right?
Radfield seems the most organized and willing to work with town, even if I don't like his infrequent posting. I would also like Arc, as having two players is very nice to keep safe (as having double the chance for a slipup if he is scum)
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TL mafia actually has a long history of lynching their elected officials, usually sooner rather than later haha. In XLVII Palmar the townie mayor got lynched on day 2 with the townie pardoner being one of the other main lynch wagons, though both of the lynches were heavily mafia influenced.
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Compreissent, they have immunity on day2 from getting lynched, and they have immunity on every night until the BG is dead. I believe.
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Arctocod so, you think its stupid to lynch who we elect anytime soon after we've elected them? And whoever tries to lynch them could be mafia? This is basically what I've been saying earlier about the advantage those positions gain.
I completely agree though, there had better be a great reason if were lynching who we elect, as the whole reason we elected them was so they'd be in good positions to not die..
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Some interesting discussions going on. I'm off to take a final, so I won't be posting anything for a few hours. I'm hoping for some really exciting stuff when I come back XD!
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So dues, I didn't see if you ever answered me earlier when I asked. Are you running for a position as well?
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I'm not going to go as far as say that it's "stupid" in general, without any further qualifiers. Lynching a good player based on a relatively weak case is always bad and it's very unlikely I would for instance advocate lynching radfield the mayor on day 2 unless he clearly isn't making sense, which is one of the easier ways to catch a good player like him.
Sheth I do find it somewhat strange how you've been pushing the "rad is legit/town" angle a few times already without really explaining why, especially considering how little he has actually said so far.
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it's deus :D
and no i am not, but I want medicprotect tonight. If I die, I am goind to rage infinitely!
Seriously I hate to be shot at night.
One last word to the election thing today:
STOP DISCUSSING IT! It's OBVIOUS that we vote Palmar/syllo and Radfield into office today. Even if one of them is scum, we save the other from 100% certain death. Both of them are very valuabe if town and because we surely are unable to determine their alignment after day1, therefor we save both of them.
beforehand information for the medics: you guys save me and curu.
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On December 13 2011 03:08 Spaackle wrote:
For the lurkers in the thread, maybe a couple questions would get some activity:
1. What do you think of the No Pardon, No Exception rule?
2. Give your specific impressions of the campaigns so far, especially the major ones.
Remember, the more you get into the game you're playing, the more fun it is! :D
I don't beleive I would classify as a lurker, but I will chime in with these posts regardless.
1. I think the No Pardon train of thought is good. However, as I stated before, this blanket "No Exception" thing scares me. Case-By-Case basis, I believe, would be better. If there is a blanket statement that says "if X happens, Y must always be the result," and a situation blindsides us where we will need to use the Pardon power, than I think it could be useful to use. That being said, if you are elected to the role of Pardoner, and you use it freely even once without sufficient cause, expect a vote from me for a lynching.
2. I am going to tie this in with my vote. I feel that Radfield would be the best person to be saved from a mafia kill. I feel that he fleshed out his ideas and I get a town vibe from him, even after we had our banter back and forth, and I give him my support, at least for now. His willingness to defend his position, take the posts and respond to them, while also asking questions himself, has solidified my vote for him.
Extra Note: I read a page or two back about posting votes in your thread, especially when it gets down to voting for lynching. I thought this would be a good idea, as well as officially voting in the Vote Thread. I think it might add some weight behind the post if it's all together. I can't speak for everyone, [and I know this is simply filler post] but I just wanted to say that I will probably follow this trend.
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On December 12 2011 12:23 Radfield wrote:
Well, we have two obvious candidates for mayor/pardoner. Myself, and Palmar/Syllo.
We're all three of us good players
We're all good at scum hunting
We all consistently get shot by mafia Night 1 and 2.
We are unlikely both mafia, and have decent reads on each other if one of us is scum.
The main benefit of the mayor and pardoner roles is the protection of the hidden bodyguard. With him alive, the elected roles can't be touched. As such it makes sense to use that protection to keep strong players alive, players who are likely to be targeted by mafia.
In PYPInsane myself and Mig were elected, two strong town players and we cruised to victory. In this game I recommend we do the same. Palmar, Syllogism and Myself all have the ability to be completely game changing if left alive long enough, elected roles does that.
Palmar and Syllo, maybe you guys weren't planning on running, but that would be foolish, and you guys aren't foolish.
Obviously I have no idea of Palmar/Syllos alignment, and everyone only has one vote, so please vote for me. However, Palmar/Syllo should most likely be in second place.
A vote for me is a vote for town victory.
@ Arcto I think I just liked that this first post, made within like 5 minutes of the game starting was just so smart or strong or however you want to put it. Like as I said it just felt right to me. I don't really have any great reason that it felt right for me, but I definitely feel its the strongest campaign out there. He was the first to call dibs is basically what I'm saying. And NO I don't think that he is definitely town I just think his campaign was strong, hes been fairly active and he hasn't said anything stupid. + Hes experienced and came up with the idea that the election is really only about protecting two strong townies from night deaths.
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Hey radfield don't you find it a bit strange how no one is arguing against you being elected yet, even subtly? It's always either vote for us both or vote for rad+someone else. I even opened the door for that when I stated early on that I found your first post a bit off
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Going to the gym, restarting computer. Trying to fix it atm. b back in a few hours.
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Thing is sheth, that post says nothing about his alignment. I'm not saying that Radfield must be scum, but when you're scumhunting you have to look beyond what's being said.
Radfield would make that post as scum or town. Everyone knows he'd be running for mayor as town, so it's only logical he also runs as scum. Same can be said for me and syllogism. Thus it's simply incorrect to try and deduce anything about a player's alignment from a post like that, as it's predictable play as town, and thus as scum too.
What will eventually reveal Rad's alignment is his ability or inability to use reason. He is so good at mafia, that if he ever makes a logically incorrect decision, he must be scum. Same can be said about myself and Syllo. We do not use bad logic. That's why we're both transparent as scum, and why we're in this position of being almost unanimously voted on day 1 without any effort.
/Palmar
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I have already stated that I would want an exception to the no pardon rule (before anyone else actually, I stated that the pardoner rule should only be used in aforementioned exceptions). I'm just thinking of a hypothetical situations that we suddenly get a really strong scum-read on somebody, and the majority of people in the thread want to lynch this new guy, but there are a lot of inactives who can't switch their vote because they are afk. Basically, we want to regulate these kind of exceptions so that we don't have no direction when these sitautions arise. This is what I want:
When the Pardoner should Pardon:
In a period of time of 30 minutes to 3 hours before the lynch, a pardoner can commence an unofficial voting session . All those active int he thread at this time will HAVE to vote either Yes or No to pardon the person in quesiton.
This keeps the pardoner power in the hands of the town, and keeps things by and large under control. If anyone has any doubts ont his subject, bring them up, and we may want to change some of the restrictions on this. If there's a stituation that this rule did not think of, I would really feel bad 
On the subject of rules for elected officials: I believe mayoral candidates should declare who their hidden vote is for. The benefits simply outweigh the negatives. Sure, the mafia gets a better idea of the voting situation, but it gives the mayor far more transparency, and gives us ability to monitor and regulate these powerful roles.
On the subject of campaigns, I'm going to be voting for Radfield/Arctocod.and more specifically Arctocod. I feel he's being more transparent than Radfield, and has been raising some good points with good logic. I feel like Radfield has kind of said canned start of game sort of stuff so far, so i don't have any reason to think he's mafia, but I'm not convinced he's totally town either. Again, I'm leaning more int eh way that he's town because he brought up another very good palyer so quickly, who I would believe would be a threat to him if he was a mafia.
On to the subject of who I want to vote:
I'll be be putting my tentative lynch vote on Zeks. This will turn in to a real vote if I come back in 3 hours and no new info has really been unveilied/no info that's an easy analysis for a lynch. The points against him have been pointed out by Deus-Ex, he wanted to vote a hydra off for really no reason, other than what I can see that he's threatened by them (a mafia would be threatened!) He also dissappeared for a while, and when he returned, he just quickly answered a quesiton, and didn't either reference or defend his accusations.
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@Sheth, I'm Voting for actocod because at the present time, i am more comfortable with the idea of him as town. in addition to this, Radfield's posts have not said much about his aliegnment, whereas Arctocod is posting from more of a pro-town perspective at the moment IMO. he is also pretty likely to get shot if he is town.
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On December 13 2011 03:29 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Heyo Prplhz! How do you feel about both Radfields and Arctocods campaigns ? Anything that's making you lean one way or the other?
There's nothing that would make me keep either of those out of office as I kinda said in an earlier post. I'll place my vote to make sure as many of these two get into office, if I have the deciding vote I'll put it on Arctocod because I think they comprise the best townie in this game, but that is a highly hypothetical situation anyway.
On December 13 2011 03:42 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:25 prplhz wrote:
I'll be voting either Radfield or Arctocod, using my vote to put as many of them in office as I can.
@zeks Hey, you said that you'd like to lynch a hydra or a mayor candidate, so you want to lynch either Radfield, Arctocod, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA or TotallyNotTwoPeople? Hydras because your sixth sense tells you that one of these are scum and mayor candidates because you think that scum has at least one candidate running? Am I understanding this right? Sure why not if theres a decent case on them wouldn't be a bad choice compared to a lurker Im talking about mayor candidates outside the elected ones obviously Why are you voting Radfield/Arc state your reasoning sir
I stated my reasoning several times, if you have any concrete questions then go ahead and ask them.
But you didn't say anything about "a decent case" in your original posts. You said that you had a "sixth sense" telling you that one of the hydras is scum, and then you suggested lynching into mayor candidates too. Why did you feel the need to point out these two groups of people if the criteria you want to lynch on is "a decent case" anyway? Saying you want to lynch on "a decent case" is an empty statement anyway, why would anybody not want to do that ever?
@Comprissent I don't understand why you want to leave one of the elected offices for an inexperienced player, can you please explain this to me?
@DEUS-ex-MAFIA What do you think of Liquid`Sheth so far?
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