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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 12 2011 15:57 GMT
#301
As I stated eariler, the purpose of this election needs to be protecting people likely to get shot on night 1
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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 12 2011 15:57 GMT
#302
On December 13 2011 00:52 Jitsu wrote:

Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 22:58 Radfield wrote:
I think LAL is pretty terrible. It does two things wrong: One, it gives mafia a legitamate topic to discuss early game, when in fact we want them discussing elections and lynches. Two, it gives mafia a reason to push townies who may lie, even when the circumstances are not particularly damning to the townie. Every lie needs to be treated on a case by case basis. Townies lie ALL THE TIME, whether LAL exists or not, so it does not make sense to implement the policy. Not to mention, voting based on policy after Day 1(or even day 1) is terrible for town. We vote on content, not policy.

I don't understand your reasoning on this. Seeing as how you are a veteran, I will bow to your decision however and drop the issue.



I'd much rather you understand what I'm saying. Which part doesn't make sense?

And just because I'm a veteran doesn't mean I'm right. I bet there are plenty of vets who disagree with my statement on LAL (and they might be right!).

I'll be gone for about the next 9 hours. Might be able to pop on around dinner time though.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 12 2011 16:00 GMT
#303
Wait, the way I understood it, the BGs will only protect us tonight and then protect someone else tomorrow, but I can see now that I may have misunderstood. Can we get a clarification?

[green]Will bodyguards protect pardoner/mayor for as long as they live and not only on n1?[/spoiler]
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 12 2011 16:00 GMT
#304
EBWOP:

Will bodyguards protect pardoner/mayor for as long as they live and not only on n1?
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
December 12 2011 16:08 GMT
#305
On December 13 2011 01:00 syllogism wrote:
Wait, the way I understood it, the BGs will only protect us tonight and then protect someone else tomorrow, but I can see now that I may have misunderstood. Can we get a clarification?

[green]Will bodyguards protect pardoner/mayor for as long as they live and not only on n1?
[/spoiler]

Have you divorced Palmar already?
Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 12 2011 16:09 GMT
#306
On December 13 2011 00:57 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 00:52 Jitsu wrote:

On December 12 2011 22:58 Radfield wrote:
I think LAL is pretty terrible. It does two things wrong: One, it gives mafia a legitamate topic to discuss early game, when in fact we want them discussing elections and lynches. Two, it gives mafia a reason to push townies who may lie, even when the circumstances are not particularly damning to the townie. Every lie needs to be treated on a case by case basis. Townies lie ALL THE TIME, whether LAL exists or not, so it does not make sense to implement the policy. Not to mention, voting based on policy after Day 1(or even day 1) is terrible for town. We vote on content, not policy.

I don't understand your reasoning on this. Seeing as how you are a veteran, I will bow to your decision however and drop the issue.



I'd much rather you understand what I'm saying. Which part doesn't make sense?

And just because I'm a veteran doesn't mean I'm right. I bet there are plenty of vets who disagree with my statement on LAL (and they might be right!).

I'll be gone for about the next 9 hours. Might be able to pop on around dinner time though.


Sure. Hopefully we can clear this up quickly.

In my opinion, lying does nothing to benefit the town, save rare circumstances in which a blue town role needs to keep their identity hidden. If we can bring issues to the fore-front with honesty and integrity, we would be able to root scum out quicker than if everyone was throwing off-hand lies. I can understand you're feeling on the case-by-case basis; I think it's pretty self-evident that most things in mafia need to be treated on a case-by-case basis; In this way, Policy is a bad word to use since it shows an unwavering thought process regardless of potential outcomes.

Seeing as how we are almost down a day already, and I agree with your statement about giving the mafia a way to tie up valuable time spent discussing this topic, I thought it better to drop the whole thing and defer to you're rational as a vet, and let sleeping dogs lie, as it were.

The whole point of bringing policy questions up in the first place was to try to get discussion to try to start some analysis. Maybe it's not a stereotypical move by players on the first night - we can chalk that up to my inexperience if you want, I think it was just my personal way of getting discussion started.

Does that clear things up a bit, Radfield?
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
December 12 2011 16:19 GMT
#307
On December 13 2011 01:00 syllogism wrote:
EBWOP:

Will bodyguards protect pardoner/mayor for as long as they live and not only on n1?

Yes
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 12 2011 16:32 GMT
#308
On December 13 2011 00:13 zeks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 00:11 GiygaS wrote:
On December 12 2011 23:56 zeks wrote:
Note that the mayor has 2 votes, 1 being hidden

And he can decide ties

So in essence in some cases its like having 3 votes (in close voting races) so the mayor is a really really strong role compared to Pardoner.

Get Radfield to Mayor

and Arc or whoever to Pardoner

I have very little time, so I can only write a few sentences. So how the hell does a potential 3 votes beat the ability to crush all votes? It means he can save 2 scummates from being lynched!


Any pardoner who uses a pardon is to be auto-lynched the next day

No exceptions

Exception 1. mass last minute vote switch.
Questionable Exception 2. Everyone agrees on lynching someone, then occurs a last hour voteswitch when some keyplayers are unavailable.

I don't need to add that I also think hydras should sign their posts.
On December 12 2011 22:55 Arctocod wrote:
For the record, that was syllogism. I suppose we could start tagging our posts. I do not find your answer satisfactory as speaking up first says very little about his alignment.

None of my answers for anything or just some of them?
Furthermore I never said I liked Rafields plan, I liked the fact that he said something and everyone else mutualy agrees on it which indicates it was a pro-town action ergo pro-town play. Do you belive Deus-ex and TnTp hydras will be easy to get a read of?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 17:55:59
December 12 2011 16:40 GMT
#309
e: edited out with permission
Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 12 2011 16:40 GMT
#310
Err, permission to edit that out?

I like that answer, despite disagreeing with the conclusion. The hydras will not be any harder to read than any other player in the game especially if they sign their posts.

/syllogism
♪♫♫ We all stand together! ♪♫♪
DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 12 2011 16:42 GMT
#311
On December 13 2011 01:32 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 00:13 zeks wrote:
On December 13 2011 00:11 GiygaS wrote:
On December 12 2011 23:56 zeks wrote:
Note that the mayor has 2 votes, 1 being hidden

And he can decide ties

So in essence in some cases its like having 3 votes (in close voting races) so the mayor is a really really strong role compared to Pardoner.

Get Radfield to Mayor

and Arc or whoever to Pardoner

I have very little time, so I can only write a few sentences. So how the hell does a potential 3 votes beat the ability to crush all votes? It means he can save 2 scummates from being lynched!


Any pardoner who uses a pardon is to be auto-lynched the next day

No exceptions

Exception 1. mass last minute vote switch.
Questionable Exception 2. Everyone agrees on lynching someone, then occurs a last hour voteswitch when some keyplayers are unavailable.

I don't need to add that I also think hydras should sign their posts.
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 22:55 Arctocod wrote:
For the record, that was syllogism. I suppose we could start tagging our posts. I do not find your answer satisfactory as speaking up first says very little about his alignment.

None of my answers for anything or just some of them?
Furthermore I never said I liked Rafields plan, I liked the fact that he said something and everyone else mutualy agrees on it which indicates it was a pro-town action ergo pro-town play. Do you belive Deus-ex and TnTp hydras will be easy to get a read of?


i will be readable as always. i don't see a problem as long as hydras tag their posts.
whats wrong with radfields electionplan?
DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 12 2011 16:44 GMT
#312
lol!!! it's not that easy to tag every post.
(supers)
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 12 2011 16:50 GMT
#313
On December 13 2011 01:42 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 01:32 risk.nuke wrote:
On December 13 2011 00:13 zeks wrote:
On December 13 2011 00:11 GiygaS wrote:
On December 12 2011 23:56 zeks wrote:
Note that the mayor has 2 votes, 1 being hidden

And he can decide ties

So in essence in some cases its like having 3 votes (in close voting races) so the mayor is a really really strong role compared to Pardoner.

Get Radfield to Mayor

and Arc or whoever to Pardoner

I have very little time, so I can only write a few sentences. So how the hell does a potential 3 votes beat the ability to crush all votes? It means he can save 2 scummates from being lynched!


Any pardoner who uses a pardon is to be auto-lynched the next day

No exceptions

Exception 1. mass last minute vote switch.
Questionable Exception 2. Everyone agrees on lynching someone, then occurs a last hour voteswitch when some keyplayers are unavailable.

I don't need to add that I also think hydras should sign their posts.
On December 12 2011 22:55 Arctocod wrote:
For the record, that was syllogism. I suppose we could start tagging our posts. I do not find your answer satisfactory as speaking up first says very little about his alignment.

None of my answers for anything or just some of them?
Furthermore I never said I liked Rafields plan, I liked the fact that he said something and everyone else mutualy agrees on it which indicates it was a pro-town action ergo pro-town play. Do you belive Deus-ex and TnTp hydras will be easy to get a read of?


i will be readable as always. i don't see a problem as long as hydras tag their posts.
whats wrong with radfields electionplan?

I never said there is something wrong with it either, If I would had it would had been very clear because I would had provided arguments, ergo you can conclude I did never in any way say there is something wrong with it. I merely didn't want words put in my mouth.

Deus. what you said was an inch from basicly twisting that into claiming I said something is wrong with Radfields plan.
FoS
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 12 2011 17:01 GMT
#314
risk, your fos on my is disturbing and stupid. new players read "fos" and put me on their lists. you said you never said that you like radfields plan. and i want to know why you dont say this.
i say it: i like radfields plan.

players like you lose games for town. fosing around without any reasons.
why dont you use your brain before you post.
i didnt attack you in the slightest. i didnt put words in your mouth. i only wanted that you tell me why you dont say that you like rads plan. its so simple. now take your incredibly stupid fos back stop derailing and answer my question:
why are you talking with no content?
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
December 12 2011 17:05 GMT
#315
On December 13 2011 01:32 risk.nuke wrote:

Exception 1. mass last minute vote switch.
Questionable Exception 2. Everyone agrees on lynching someone, then occurs a last hour voteswitch when some keyplayers are unavailable.


Both your points are practically the same

It will be much harder for scum to pull off that kind of stunt like we did last game on Palmar

Much less people this game and mayor decides ties and has hidden 2nd vote (assuming our mayor is town)

I still want to stick with the rule where there are to be no pardons used this entire game (barring any weird elections henceforth)

As for lynch candidate tonight - I had suggested early to lynch a hydra...actually a mayor candidate would work too since scum almost ALWAYS has a mayor candidate whether it be a serious bid or not

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
December 12 2011 17:08 GMT
#316
^ to Radfields earlier point of lynching a non lurker
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
NotChezinu
Profile Joined September 2011
Zimbabwe61 Posts
December 12 2011 17:08 GMT
#317
Having many personalities is fun!

~Mr.Fluffles
I am not Chezinu. Really. I am no role and all roles at once. Scum and Town. My alignment is unobserved.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 12 2011 17:09 GMT
#318
On December 13 2011 02:01 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
risk, your fos on my is disturbing and stupid. new players read "fos" and put me on their lists. you said you never said that you like radfields plan. and i want to know why you dont say this.
i say it: i like radfields plan.

players like you lose games for town. fosing around without any reasons.
why dont you use your brain before you post.
i didnt attack you in the slightest. i didnt put words in your mouth. i only wanted that you tell me why you dont say that you like rads plan. its so simple. now take your incredibly stupid fos back stop derailing and answer my question:
why are you talking with no content?

If you're town then why are you forcing a disussion on this topic which is 100% useless and nothing but a distraction for town.
my fos is valid and it's not the fos'd ones job to question it. It's funny how someone who tells me to "think" before "I" post doesn't have time to reread your own and mark it!!
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 12 2011 17:11 GMT
#319
lol zeks. lynching a hydra early on is the most stupid idea i read so far.
for scum a hydra is not that awesome. you can communicate with your fellowplayers either way.
a townhydra has a huge advantage. normally you cant discuss your reads in irc etc. and this is helping a lot.
therefor no hydralynch d1.

i'd actually told you this even if i were no hydra lol

(still supersoft posting)
TotallyNotTwoPeople
Profile Joined December 2011
United States160 Posts
December 12 2011 17:16 GMT
#320
On December 13 2011 01:32 risk.nuke wrote:Do you belive Deus-ex and TnTp hydras will be easy to get a read of?

Well, in Steamship I was town and never received a single vote on me, despite people being able to vote for as many people as they wanted, so I am assuming people read me pretty well there. Presumably I'll be pretty easy to read here as well. Hopefully the second head doesn't add too much confusion.

I like the policy of no pardons, no exceptions. If the majority decides something, I don't think a single person should override that decision, especially since it will also create a huge distraction for town.

/Harbinger
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