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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On December 06 2011 09:43 redFF wrote: anyone not on a large wagon is anti town This isn't true. I was the large wagon last game, and that was so idiotic it hurt. I'd like anyone who votes to be able to make a case like, I voted for X because Y. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On December 06 2011 09:45 Risen wrote: This isn't true. I was the large wagon last game, and that was so idiotic it hurt. I'd like anyone who votes to be able to make a case like, I voted for X because Y. That wasn't majority lynch with no lynches | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On December 06 2011 09:07 syllogism wrote: It's not rare for town to have a role like that and in a setup with this scum ratio, it makes sense. The fact it is anonymous is slightly scummier, but claiming the role as scum makes little sense except as a gambit. it is rare, give me some normal games which have had this type of role | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
##Vote Palmar | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On December 06 2011 09:46 Drazerk wrote: That wasn't majority lynch with no lynches And you're telling me lynching Palmar is the best move for town right now? I don't think it is. He's made some really stupid posts, but last game he was making some really stupid, idiotic posts and it led straight to his lynching. He was town then, and if he hadn't made his emounicorn post he wouldn't have been lynched. Now he's just being a troll and an idiot without the emounicorn, but I don't think he's scum. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On December 06 2011 09:48 Risen wrote: And you're telling me lynching Palmar is the best move for town right now? I don't think it is. He's made some really stupid posts, but last game he was making some really stupid, idiotic posts and it led straight to his lynching. He was town then, and if he hadn't made his emounicorn post he wouldn't have been lynched. Now he's just being a troll and an idiot without the emounicorn, but I don't think he's scum. Difference between that game and this game is palmar was pro town all the way through the election stages, it wasn't until day 2 until the derping started. He's not even attempted to be pro town this game | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On December 06 2011 09:50 Mattchew wrote: I refuse to vote for palmar or v7 i think we are just gonna waste another towns person Other than meta. Explain how Palmar is town | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
So, Radfield : It is very easy to look pro town when you are not actually talking about players. Radfield this far has done a great job involving people into this game and trying to keep the thread active. That in itself is actually pretty protown and should be considered a point in Radfields favor. But it also makes it incredibly easy to skirt by without actually *doing anything* He is certainly putting a lot of effort in this game, but did not produce any real content or analysis for a very long time. He provided really long policy/guideline posts, but nothing concreteat all. Another thing that should be noted is that Radfield is extremely quick to point out why someone is town but very rarely why someone isn't. (Again, not something that is in itself scummy but is worth mentioning) Now this in itself would be fine if we got some really good content out of him later, especially since he is known to play like that as town, but I still felt like it would be worth asking him and there was some really confusing stuff in there. "Why don't you want to share thoughts on alignment if you have noticed something?" Yes I have alignment reads, and obviously at this juncture none of them are near solid enough to merit posting. The reason people listen to me is I generally don't build a case until I have something to go on. Spouting about every possible scumread will only lower my(or anyone else's) credibility. Certainly I am not going to jump in and say hey guys, I think these 4 players look suspicious. That simply allows mafia to cherry pick which one we should discuss. This is taken straight from Radfields posts and I unlike him don't cut quotes ( we will get to that) Could someone please explain to me how the bolded statement makes any sense? He stated himself that the thread was going extremely slowly and thus he was activly trying to get other people engaged in the conversation. Now in what way could it hurt town to have some more things to discuss and get more information out of the players. "Mafia can cherry pick who we should discuss" is probably the worst reasoning I have heard from a good player in a long time. As a capable town, we should be able to analyse behavior and arguments given by every player in the game, shouldn't we? Also why wouldn't we be able to differentiate between bad townies and scum players and recognize if mafia tries to start a bandwagon? Even if we end up accidently killing a townie, we will still gain a lot of information and as some good player once pointed out:"if someone is lynched day1, that usually means they did something really wrong ". Radfield is justifying not giving reads by claiming it is anti-town THe funny part is that the moment Syllo starts pressuring him a little bit, Radfield posts a completely non commital list of people he would be fine lynching. Could someone explain how that would benifit town? He seems to be doing it becaue Syllo want him to, not because he thinks it is actually something that is helpful ( he said that himself, after all) He said that he is fine lynching all those people, but then gives us three reads where he immediatly tells us that he actually thinks those would not make good lynch targets after all. Can someone explain to me how that is making sense? supersoft and Drazerk I'm less sure about, so lets take them off the list for the time being. They're both active as well, so presumably they will pick it up on their own. Hyshes has a IRL excuse, so he can slide by for a day. Hier is basically inactive, so it's kinda useless to vote for him. Risen I thought looked like a particularly good lynch, though on rereading his filter I'm not so sure anymore: Filter. I'd like to check his past game(s) Radfield stated earlier that he does not want to go after an easy target, such as a lurker yet look at the next targets. Again, could someone explain to me how that makes sense? Every post of Lanaia makes her look like scum:Filter Also need to check her past game. Kingjames01: Upon reading his two posts, my initial thought was that he has about 2 posts to impress me, or he is looking scummy. Both posts are neutral and full of generalities, long past the time when we needed to talk in generalities. Since then he has not posted again. Pretty decent lynch in my eyes. Jackal I partly agree on, so lets get to the last target, myself. It is partly understanable because I actually have not done any great things as of yet, but the way he constructs the argument is pretty weird. Look what parts he feels are not needed for his argument(the bolded parts is what he cut out) : Okay Radfield, this is starting to give me a bad feeling..I first noticed it when you stated that you feel like a good town atmosphere includes no arguments. You are doing a great job involving a lot of people in the conversation, but it is really, really easy to look town when there is actually not that much to comment on and scum are in no way forced to reveal information...What we have right now is a very peaceful town, but not one that is looking like it is gaining a lot of information anytime soon and you are doing very little to change that.... Would you mind sharing your thoughts now, so they can be discussed and we get a better sense of your alignment at the same time? The version with the bolded parts in it make the post look a bit better, don't they? I would also like to point out that I asked him a very specific question that he never answered and conveniently cut out of his analysis as well : I agree with that statement in general, but I am quite confused by the reason you are giving. If people look suspicious, that usually means they did something wrong/anti-town/opposed to their usual behaviot etc. That should be discussed and we can see a lot by the reactions every player has to the discussion. If mafia actually did just discuss one player then we as a good town should notice that, and through that already gain a ton of information. You make it sound like Scum can just roll in and dominate discussion. Why would you do that as town? Your goal should be to lynch Scum and keep town players alive, so why make yourself look better and someone else worse? I actually did the work and went through Radfields older games and he actually is uncertain about alignment day1 pretty often. What I dislike about his list a ton is that it is so incredibly useless. Being uncertain is one thing but why note that you would have to do a ton of legwork before you can be certain and still post it? That basicly makes every read he has non - commital and activly forces other people to initiate a lynch, instead of pushing it himself. That combined with the fact that he only posted it after Syllo asked him about it makes it look pretty bad in my eyes. He actually started pushing Lanaia ... for two minutes. Honestly I am not quite sure what to make of that case. What I can say though is that what Radfield has done this game has not been impressive at all and is definitly scummy in my eyes. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On December 06 2011 09:51 Erandorr wrote: Thought about other players coming soon (tm) It's too late in the day for new bandwagon targets. Focus on what we have | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
And incognito decided to update the vote count just after I finished compiling. FML. + Show Spoiler [Just so it isnt wasted] + prplhz - Radfield, -Radfield, Zephirdd, -Zephirdd syllogism - hyshes, Hier Palmar - redFF, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern, -Toadesstern, -redFF, TruthBringer, Zephirdd, Drazerk, Lanaia, -Zephirdd, Corrupt, annul, vaderseven, Zephirdd, redFF Corrupt - Zephirdd, vaderseven, redFF, -Zephirdd, -vaderseven, -redFF Radfield - vaderseven, -vaderseven, Jackal58, supersoft, -supersoft Drazerk - Soap, -Soap Soap - annul, Refallen, -Refallen, -annul TruthBringer - prplhz, Toadesstern, -prplhz, -Toadesstern Drazerk - Palmar, -Palmar redFF - vaderseven, -vaderseven, Mattchew vaderseven - Palmar, prplhz, Drazerk, -Drazerk Hier - syllogism, Toadesstern Lanaia - Radfield, sandroba, Refallen VisceralEyes - Refallen, -Refallen Erandorr - supersoft real vote count Anyone not voting for Palmar without a true reason to REALLY believe Palmar is town, especially after what he did(instead of defending his ass to the end and hope for the no-lynch, he basically shits on my face and my defense and claims a scumrole), should really consider switching to him to grab that lynch.Yes I am mad He is, indeed, the less likely town on my opinion right now. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
No Lynch occurs if nobody reaches majority. Majority = (number of players in the game / 2) (rounded down) + 1) i.e. if there are 24 players in the game, it takes 13 to lynch. If there are 23 players in the game, it takes 12. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On December 06 2011 09:50 Drazerk wrote: Other than meta. Explain how Palmar is town explain to me how he is scum. Yeah vaderseven went apeshit and shot off a townsperson but that wasn't exactly Palmars fault, just a consequence of his actions. He has been a troll and posted a lot of bullshit but is slowly coming around and not just defending himself as others have claimed. My feeling is that redFF is mafia and I would like people to look more closely at that. If not I cannot sit here and vote for someone we know so little about... I will re-read the cases on heir and laniana and if I find something substantial I will vote those ways. Im sick of the palmar v7 argument, its just like the ace palmar of last game that leads to town looking like retards. people forget that scum can post here too and let some direct arguments and conversation the ways they want it to go. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
So choose. Vote for someone who has been acting so scummy all game or vote for a no lynch that will 100% help scum | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On December 06 2011 08:50 Drazerk wrote: Except for the fact Palmar has acted like scum all game and the only reason you can think to save him is meta? Can you point me towards the things you find particularly scummy? Is it just the trolling? Do you think fake claiming day vig to extract information from a player who appears to be hiding something is scummy? What is the scum motivation behind it? Do you realize that by claiming his anonymous vote, he is essentially letting town control it? Do you think scum palmar likes to spend day 1s attracting as much attention as possible? | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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