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Palmar
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On December 06 2011 06:30 vaderseven wrote: Lol @ the post that defends palmar and says to no lynch because no one defends him. That's because it's logical. Do you know why people like Radfield, Jackal, Syllo, Sandroba, redFF are the people I listed as good when the game started? It's because they're capable of reading a situation like this and understanding what the hell is going on. | ||
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Palmar
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On December 06 2011 06:33 vaderseven wrote: No Lynch is NOT logical IMO. Better than lynching townies (refer to cosmic horror where I forced a no-lynch to save a townie). | ||
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Palmar
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I think he's still got an hour or two at work. | ||
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Holy shit this stupidity is making me mad. | ||
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Palmar
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I know. I keep assuming people will think, so I can do whatever the hell I want because nothing I've done indicates in any way I'm mafia. Sure it indicates I'm trolling/taking the game lightly. Does that make me mafia? Of course not. I always forget they let people who don't think into these games too. | ||
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Palmar
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On December 06 2011 06:47 redFF wrote: EVERYONE ON CORRUPT GOGOGO Why not Hier? At least syllogism posted a reasonable explanation as to why that guy could very well flip scum. | ||
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On December 06 2011 06:48 Drazerk wrote: And the cycle is complete. 1. Palmar does something stupid day 1 2. Reasonable wagon happens 3. He gets mad 4. He calls everyone bad and destroys town atmosphere and survives the lynch by lynching a townie 5. He flips scum / third party four days later Give me ONE example of this. | ||
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Palmar
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On December 06 2011 06:53 Drazerk wrote: step 5 may be fictional it will still happen if you escape the lynch That's the step where I'm scum? Your post holds no value without it. | ||
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Palmar
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On December 06 2011 07:17 vaderseven wrote: I like the case on Lanaia ALOT. It really does fit especially with her posting style last game. The asap posting about things when called out is pretty dang fishy to me too. I am down with either a Palmar or Lanaia lynch at this point. ##unvote I actually think Lanaia is a pretty bad lynch too. | ||
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Palmar
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On December 06 2011 07:22 sandroba wrote: @palmar how come? You really think hier is a better lynch? You think mafia would push syllo like that assuming he is town? Being apparently completely confused is the only way I've ever seen Lanaia play. She doesn't fail to deliver on being confused and unable to actually read anything relevant from the game. This is exactly the way she behaved in steamship Liquidia. Yes, I'd much rather lynch Hier. While pushing Syllogism may seem like a bad idea, notice that he hasn't actually pushed it. He basically created a half-assed case and then left the thread completely. Do you have a town read on Syllogism? I would think you do. The case seems extremely forced, and designed to pick apart Syllo's play, which has not been scummy at all. | ||
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Palmar
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On December 06 2011 07:32 sandroba wrote: Yes I do. Doesn't mean he is right day 1 and we are all suceptible to omgus as you would know. The whole reason he is pushing hier is because he is using bad logic and both you and wbg acused him of being mafia on bad logic last game. What do you think about Lanaia? Do you think she's a good lynch for today? | ||
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Palmar
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I have an extra vote, (the role name is floridian) that means the anonymous vote that will show up on the voting chart is mine. I don't see any reason as for why I should not claim this role, as an anonymous vote will probably confuse people more than it helps to keep it concealed. | ||
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Palmar
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On December 06 2011 08:42 vaderseven wrote: Just curious here, why did you not claim this when you placed your first vote? I was assuming that the vote counts were out of date or some such. Because I have to specifically place the Anonymous vote. It will be reflected on the voting chart when I do. Thus the secret vote was never on Drazerk, only my normal vote. | ||
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Palmar
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Based on a few things I'd like to vote Hier. I think voting for syllogism without good reasons early in the game makes no sense. Especially after Hier should've learned that he cannot assume that his logic is solid after XLVII. In addition, I feel the tone/direction of the case is different. His case against me in XLVII looked like it was reasonably genuine, just using naive reasoning. This case on the other hand looks like it's much more forced with a lot less content behind it. Just read it yourselves, here is his case this game: And here is his case from XLVII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12474384 Here's his XLVII filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=55311&user=55311 Notice that a right after posting the initial case against me, he's around, willing to argue his ideas, keeps pushing it, because he genuinely thinks that this is the correct way to move forward. However, he didn't even post again after presenting his case against syllogism this game. Never mind actually trying to make something out of that case. I can't help but feel Hier has no actual intention of getting syllogism lynched and is simply content with not being called out. My vote, and the extra vote, are going on hier ##Unvote ##Vote Hier | ||
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Palmar
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On December 06 2011 08:47 vaderseven wrote: Traditionally, at least, mafia can talk in private during the day and night. I have something to add to this. I was trying to test his claim as it was my role as well. My role name is "Jack." I was trying to confirm his claim in a way that would help him to see my claim was true and thus have him not shot me. I noticed that, did you not notice where I offered you to retract your claim? I was hoping you'd take that. Remember that I never asked for your claim. The whole idea was to bullshit-check your notes claim. I hope you understand why we feel it's suspicious you claim your radfield comment is directly from your notes, yet you said the rest of them weren't formatted properly for the thread. That's a reason enough for me to investigate further. Assuming you have nothing to hide, you have no reason simply not to comply. | ||
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Palmar
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On December 06 2011 09:03 Zephirdd wrote: LOL k nevermind what I said, you are either scum or third party, but not town. Town wouldn't have a role based on animosity. I was even stretching to have you as town, but this is too far -_- I'm willing to contradict myself and see you flip as scum, there was no fucking point on claiming a role that suits non-town better than town. Plus everything you've done so far. I was defending that scum wouldn't want so much attention and wouldn't go as far as looking so scummy like you did, but now it looks like you are embracing that and going over the top. Seriously? And then you want to go on the case of the guy that made exactly two posts on the thread, not looking for his defense(who knows what the fuck happened to his life). Nope, there is a limit to how much I stretch my town reads. ##Vote Palmar Boy you're about to feel dumb. | ||
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Palmar
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On December 06 2011 09:33 Toadesstern wrote: Just a thought that came to my mind. A couple people already said that roleclaim looks strange because the role looks like a mafia role. Right now he still hasn't voted (as mentioned earlier) although he said so. What's the deal with that? Also let's just think about that double vote for a second. That could be just some weird trick to get controle of town again. Something along the lines "I got 2 votes, if you want to avoid a no-lynch you better vote what I want". Just a though. Still standing by my decision to let palmar live for today and judge him by what he does day2 but if there's no anon vote like Palmar said I want this guy to die. It doesn't get counted until incognito notices my pm. | ||
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Palmar
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On December 06 2011 10:12 syllogism wrote: Palmar I don't think we can get the votes for Hier so might as well switch to Lanaia. I hope you aren't scum, but I don't even really care if you are as I'm not ever voting to lynch you day 1 based on such a weak case. You should know I'm not scum, or at least be heavily leaning town on me for now. And sure, I've been playing dota2 all day, just got into the beta. Gonna switch myself and the anonymous vote to Lanaia and just got to sleep. | ||
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Palmar
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On December 06 2011 10:15 Drazerk wrote: Palmar isn't town and even if he is it gives us a lot more information than a no lynch ever will and we won't have to deal with him trolling for another day and repeating this whole mess once more I'm town, you're terrible at mafia. By the way, I need to sleep it's 1am at my time. If I get lynched. Everyone on this wagon should take a good long hard look at their play, because there is a reason all the players who are commonly considered good have stayed the hell away from my lynch. I know my play hasn't been very productive in this game, I wanted to have a laid back/fun game after the massive pain in the ass that was XLVII. I wanted to play casually and troll around a bit, so I was happy when I got town with a fairly non-important role. That doesn't change the fact that that nothing about my play has been scummy. Anyone saying that is simply incorrect, a fact that will be proven by my lynch. I want that to sink in. If I do get lynched, you guys are taking active stance against some of the best players TL has to offer, and have the audacity to dare think you're right. You obviously aren't, but feel free to fail before you believe me. There is no excuse for voting me at this time. You will not be able to say "But Palmar was playing badly", because that doesn't make me scum. Bad != scum. And you will not be able to say that we had no better lynch, because a no-lynch is preferable to killing townies. Remember that, when/if I flip. This may be the most polarizing lynch I've ever seen in mafia, seperating good players from bad players. I am fully aware I made myself a target. Does that make me mafia? Hell no. There are only two reasons to be on my wagon when I flip. a) You're incredibly bad b) You're scum Good night. | ||
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