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@Radfield Why did you change your mind on the Lanaia lynch? She didn't post a single thing and neither did Hier, but for some reason you suddenly decided that Hier was better lynch than Lanaia. | ||
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Stop trying to make stupid deals. Deal? | ||
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What about his timings during this whole dayvig thing. You retract your dayvig claim here and he absolutely knows this because he asks you if you retracted and then you answer "yes". After that has been established he goes on to shoot Soap even though he says here that he will shoot only if is closed to being lynched. I am really interested in hearing vaderseven's reason for why he shot Soap when he was absolutely certain he wasn't in any immediate danger, going against what he had previously said about his shot, because this is very scummy to me. I don't see why a townie would shoot in this situation. Even though he hasn't played on this forum a lot, vaderseven is a veteran with years of experience. If he was townie he would have kept his head cool and then he would have listened to other people for opinions on who to shoot. If he is scum he in a pretty bad situation, and he has following options:
If he is town, why the hell didn't he wait for people to show up and tell everybody to calm down? Why didn't he want to listen to other people's opinion, but instead he went all vigilante? I think that this would be the only way for a townie to handle this situation when he's not actually in immediate danger. I don't agree with your idea that vaderseven would have waited around for whatever people said in QT, this was an ideal situation for scum vaderseven to get his shot off without being held very much accountable, and I'm pretty sure that town vaderseven would have kept his cool in this situation. | ||
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Hey, what do you think about Mattchew? | ||
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@sandroba Your inactivity is a liability to town. Can you tell me what this new style you talked about before we started playing was all about? I don't really see what's different about you this game. @VisceraEyes Stop tunneling Palmar unless you have a very good case. Take a step back and post an opinion on somebody else, I really doubt that you're going to get Palmar lynched tomorrow based on what I've seen from you so far and your tunneling is starting to look like an excuse to not do anything else. @Lanaia You too are not really being very helpful. You haven't done anything that resembles scum hunting this game, when can we expect something from you? What do you mean that talking during night just kind of paints targets (or anti-targets) everywhere? Do you think town should just be quiet during the night? | ||
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Where would you put Jackal58 and redFF on that medic protect list? Why do you think mafia would block vaderseven, do you think he might have two shots, one for day and one for night? Doesn't that seem a little over powered? | ||
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On Mattchew The guy starts this game by joking around for three posts, to look active rather than to help. He is then called out for it by Radfield and I, after which he doesn't joke around anymore at all. I think this looks like mafia who got attention he didn't like and then he changes his behavior abruptly. In his next post he comments on current event in thread, but what strikes me is that he calls Palmar "suspicious" and also attempts to discredit syllogism for what he believes is a logical inconsistency (but it isn't). This will be a trademark of Mattchew's posts. He does the same thing to Palmar here when he quotes how Palmar support LALiars in last game but lies here, indirectly saying that Palmar should be lynched but without saying it himself. Next thing he does is argue a bit with Zephirdd when Zephirdd calls him out on his relative uselessness. His defense is not trying to be townie, it is not trying to prove that Zephirdd is wrong in any way, his defense is actually an attack on Zephirdd. I think mafia mostly feel guilty in the charges against them, but they still have to do something about it, so pointing out the flaws of others hoping that attention will be directed at them instead is something a lot of mafia do. He is not saying that Zephirdd is wrong, he is saying that Zephirdd is being a hypocrite, but this does not make his attack less valid. Next thing he does is go for redFF in this post. I find this weird because his reasoning is that redFF has gone for Palmar and is now going for Corrupt, but he said that redFF looked townie in this post, and that was after redFF tried to get Palmar lynched in the beginning of the game. Also, Mattchew has a pattern of going after "scum tells", his attack on Zephirdd consisted only of this too. In his next post he refuses to vote for Palmar and vaderseven. but the manner in which this is done is more interested. Like with the "prplhz, Drazerk and redFF look townie", I think scum like to band up names and then comment on them collectively instead of forming an opinion on each one of them. This way they don't have to argue for their opinion and they will hopefully get the support of the townies who are on that list because he is actually called them scum. I believe that there is a scum on both of those lists of names, but Mattchew thinks he will get away with calling them townie without actually having to argue for it because he grouped them with other townies. In this post he actually says no-lynch > lyching Palmar at a very critical point in the game, Palmar was getting pushed very hard and was looking to be lynched if it wasn't the the collective intervention of just about every veteran in this game except Drazerk. The thing I think is weird about this is how hard he's apparently changed his stance on Palmar, from trolling lying RNGing to "townie". The post is also very egocentric, what he does here is say "Palmar is town, I'm not voting for him." but he doesn't care what everybody else does. Why isn't he trying to get people off Palmar and onto something else instead of just washing his hands and then watching the blood bath that seemed almost inevitable at the point? Overall his style is being aggressive on other people's integrity while very defensive on his own. All his aggression seems to be to discredit other people instead of actually finding scum and he seems more concerned with his own innocence than with other's guilt. ##Vote Mattchew @Radfield You need to do something today, that night2-deal you made yesterday wasn't accepted by anybody with a brain. Palmar has started contributing and so will you have to. @VisceraEyes I appreciate the effort but Palmar isn't getting lynched today and there are 5 other scum out there for you to catch right? Focus on somebody else. | ||
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There was just an incident that made him seem very townie to me but I'm not going to talk about it. "Basically confirmed" might have been a bit too strong but it gets my opinion across, I think he's town. Reading Lanaia's posts there's nothing that makes me thing that she's town. This spells out unhelpful townie to me, I was expecting more from her but I have only played with her once before and redFF said that she was always weird and useless on day1 or something like that, don't remember it exactly. She said she'll do better today and I'm looking forward to that or else I think we should look more into her. | ||
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Some points I'd like everybody to consider: On Palmar Palmar was being attacked all night long by VisceraEyes and he hadn't escaped suspicion by a lot of other people even though his bandwagon was very suddenly abandoned yesterday. Why would Palmar as scum shoot syllogism, when syllogism not only found the case on Palmar very weak, he was also one of the most townie players in this game so far? Why would Palmar shoot supersoft, who game after game does not stop sheeping Palmar and thinking he is innocent, this game included? In face of serious accusations, Palmar decided to shoot his two biggest supporters in town. This makes no sense. On annul Why would annul claim if there was a scum medic protecting him? | ||
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On annul Why would annul claim if there was a scum medic protecting him? It is more far fetched to think that syllogism actually shot annul than it is to think that he didn't, why would annul attract so much attention to himself? His defense in face of syllogism's accusations last night was alright, there was no damning reason to think that syllogism had shot annul last night if annul hadn't claimed. Scum annul protected by scum medic would not have claimed. This doesn't make him less guilty and I'd like to see him step his game up today. | ||
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annul needs to be scrutinized today but I'm not ready to call him scum. I'd also like for everybody to look at my Mattchew case and tell me what you think about it. | ||
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syllogism: "You were around but you didn't post." annul: "Yes, but I was studying for my exam." Which seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation, no reason to disbelief it. I'm going to read annul's filter again and see if I can get a read on him, but please continue with the pressure. | ||
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On December 08 2011 00:54 sandroba wrote: Pretty damn obvious that syllo shot annul and no retard in his right mind would protect him night1. VOTE ANNUL RIGHT NOW IF YOU VOTE ANYONE ELSE YOU MAFIA. Holy fuck. ##Vote annul | ||
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@Radfield Why am I a better lynch than annul? Why is sandroba a better lynch than annul? Why is kingjames01 a better lynch than annul? | ||
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I'm not a big fan of you calling me "prp" it kinda reminds me of "perpetrator", can't you call me "prpl" or "prplhz" instead? I call you Radfield all the time. Can you outline for me what is bothering you about me? I can see how you might have a problem with the two other people on that list, though I don't think either of them is a better lynch than annul at all. I'd like to stop you from writing a huge accusation on me because I doubt I'm getting lynched today and I wouldn't want you to waste time on a big post on me. | ||
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On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: OK, I think prplhz is scum. Before getting into specifics of this game, I want to talk a bit about prplhz's style and general posting habits. A town aligned prplhz is what I would call a highly aggressive player. He calls people out, calls people names, is not afraid of going after big names, and has a good sense of what tells are null. Yea I had a period where I just mindlessly tunneled veterans as town, DoctorHelvetica in LotR, Incognito in XLV. While DoctorHelvetica actually turned out to be scum, I don't think I played well in any of these games and I decided to stop doing it. In Mini Mafia X I went for wherebugsgo because I really thought he was scum, but that was not mindless tunneling, actually I thought he was scum because I thought everybody else was town, and then my favorite scum tell: people aren't playing as well as they should be. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: An example of Mini Mafia X(prplhz is Vanilla townie): Look at my first post in this game, I quote the manner rule. Just because I'm not swearing doesn't make me scum. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: He then proceeds to push hiro protagonist strongly, while at the same time pressuring several other players. He is confident, assertive and unafraid to get on someones bad side. He is also not afraid to call vets scum if he sees it. In LOTR you went after DocHelvetica on day 1, in MMX he pushed WBG without support for 3 solid days. He did not build a proper case in either instance, but simply pushed them as scum. Are you saying I'm not confident, assertive and unafraid of getting on someones bad side in this game? I've stated my opinion several times, I'm also on several people's bad side. I'm also not afraid to call veterans scum as you will see in the end of this post. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: Now lets talk about prplhz's scum play, because I think it's actually pretty decent. However, I would characterize it as being safe, helpful, generally 1 big case, and a very different tone. I would grab some game quotes here, but I'm just not going to have the time today. You'll have to take my word for it. Check out PYPInteresting specifically though Is this your argument? I swear when I'm town and I don't swear when I'm scum? That doesn't hold. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: What makes prplhz scum this game: He is consistently jumping on people for small things and small tells, and NOT pressuring in the way I would expect. First his vote on Truthbringer. Now, truthbringer said some outrageously anti-town things, and really 'new player' things as well. However, prplhz's entire argument is weak and he should know it. Saying dumb things does NOT make someone scum, and oftentimes is more of a townie tell. I would typically expect prplhz to call him on it and let it pass. He does no such thing though, and argues several times that Truthbringer is actually scum. Yet, and this is a big yet, there is absolutely no conviction there. My argument wasn't that TruthBringer was playing bad, it was that he was playing worse than he is supposed to play. TruthBringer had played in several games before and he should know that, though I gave him some chance to redeem himself because he might have played so long ago that people relied on blues. Saying "no-lynch and no discussion today" and then playing the newbie card to get out of it is blatantly anti-town and can only be done by first-gamers on this forum in my opinion. TruthBringer's scum reminds me of my own scum, I can't stop pushing scum agenda and I rely on total self delusion that I am actually townie to get out of it. That's what I see in TruthBringer's play and that's why I still think that he's scum. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: ^Kinda indicates Truth is scum, but waffles a bit ^Indicates Truth is probably scum, ie "what motivation could there be for a townie...." ^Seems to indicate Truth is definitely scum Yet after all that he finishes pretty soft(quote below) and his tone indicates(at least to me) that he doesn't actually think Truth is scum. I don't waffle and I think he's scum, I've said repeatedly ever since my first case on TruthBringer that I think he's a good lynch and that I think he is scum. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: Later on, he posts basically his last comment to truthbringer, and last mention of him at all outside of "I still think truthbringer is scummy" And I still think he's scummy, but people weren't convinced, so I moved on to other targets. In Mini Mafia X I tunneled wherebugsgo for 3 days in a row because I knew he was scum and because and because he was the only scum left. I don't know that any of these guys are scum and there's plenty of other useful stuff I can do in the thread. I pressured lurkers, I tried to prevent excessive tunneling, I prodded here and there, I found other people I find suspicious. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: ^Again, this is not the tone that prplhz takes with people he thinks are scum. He pushes them aggressively, not softballing them questions. Questions which Truth never answers and prplhz never follows up on. Again, you are basing your case on the fact that I am following the manner rule stated in the OP and quote by me in my first post in this thread. Sometimes it's fun to be an asshole, but your entire case is "the guy is not saying 'fuck' enough". TruthBringer actually answered these questions and well enough but too late to sway my opinion on him. I didn't follow up because the thread had moved on and nobody seemed to like my TruthBringer case, and his answers didn't sway my opinion anyway because they were way too late. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: Since then prplhz has completely let truth off the hook. I said just a couple hours ago that I still like him for lynch today. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: Next: vaderseven Votes vaderseven for being "stupid and extraordinarily rash". Extraordinarly rash? Really? My thinking is that if you actually thought vaderseven was mafia, you would absolutely NOT characterize his play as extraordinarily rash. You would characterize it as opportunistic or perhaps panicky, but not rash. Rash is very much a townie trait. They key word is "extraordinarily", the guy was faster on the trigger than I'd expected from a townie with his experience. "Opportunistic" also fits but I hadn't thought the situation fully through back then, I'll agree with it now though. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: Notice also that prplhz accuses Palmar of forcing people to do stupid shit. If prplhz ACTUALLY thought vaderseven was scum because of this exchange, then he should be applauding Palmar for outting a scum, NOT chiding him. You absolutely cannot have it both ways. Either vader is scummy and it was a great play by Palmar to out him, or vader is town and is was stupid of Palmar to force the issue. Yea, maybe I should have applauded Palmar. He was playing a trolly and risky and I think I was still a bit pissed about that but in the end it worked out well but it might as well have turned out very bad. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: This shows a solidly scum mindset. Accuse vader of being scum for acting stupidly, accuse Palmar of bad play for forcing the issue. prplhz KNOWS that both are town, and lets neither of them off the hook. Prp mentions vader again Here, but I don't have much to say about it. I think he is deliberately refusing to see things from vaders point of view, and nitpicking the way the situation went down, instead of looking at it in whole form. And how is the whole form? The guy was threatened with a lynch like 24 hours before deadline, and then he shot somebody in the face as a reaction before any other townies than Palmar and supersoft had had anything to say about it. vaderseven was not in any immediate danger and he should have kept his head cold but he didn't. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: ^Doesn't seem to doubt vader's claim here, yet if prplhz really thinks vaderseven is scum, it means he thinks vader is absolutely lying about his Jack claim. Yet prplhz has never even mentioned the possibility. It seems to me that prplhz is sticking with vader for lack of a better target, and refusing to assimilate the additional info that indicates vader is town. Prplhz is simply sticking with the sentiment because it is thread accepted to do so. What extra information indicates that vaderseven is town? I kinda doubt vaderseven's claim here, the Jack claim would be very clutch of him but on the other hand it allows him to like, fake night hit survival and other stuff. I think it's actually a very good role for scum to claim "I have a role with unspecified powers" and then just adapt everything to the situation he's in. This is purely role speculation and I'm not very good at that I think so... On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: Next: Hier vote Not once not twice but three times prplhz indicates that he thinks Hier could be town. However he couches that in three instances of reasons to vote him. Classic scum vote post. Plenty of outs, plenty of ass-covering, no willingness to straight-up accept the mislynch. I have no idea what your point is here really. I voted Hier to save Palmar and Hier could have been scum even though I didn't think he was. I don't blame anybody who voted for Hier, they did the right thing even though he turned out to be town. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: Next: Mattchew case I find this an exceptionally weak case prplhz builds on Mattchew. It picks up every null tell and newbie town tell that Mattchew has made. Prplhz knows better than this. He even prefaces his entire argument with stating he sucks at making strong arguments: I'm pretty bad at writing cases rofl look at Mini Mafia X where I push a scum wherebugsgo for 3 days without getting him lynched. I don't think my case is weak, I just say I'm bad at writing them. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: He also makes a very similarly weak case(but long winded) on Foolishness in PYPI(when prplhz is red). I could talk more about this but I'm not going to. Rofl, Foolishness was actually shot on your orders for being scummy :D Maybe my case was bad, but both townie Radfield and townie Mig and townie syllogism thought he was on the scummy side too, and this was a PM game where you guys could discuss it all in private. I was scum in that game but it was multifactional scum game so I was also actually scum hunting. Just because I write bad cases doesn't mean that I'm scum (and it doesn't mean I'm not right either), and you distorting the facts here looks like a confession to me. Townie Radfield doesn't need to distort facts, he will eat you raw if you are scum, but I think that he feels that this case on me is pretty weak too and he has to make something up to make it stronger. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: Next: Annul vote Gonna cut things short here. Spends two or three posts defending annul and states several times he does not think he is scum. As the bandwagon builds he is suddenly swayed by Sandroba bunk post: Yea, I'm swayed by sandroba's post. I think sandroba is likely town and he is giving a glimpse of his new playstyle here (more caps bullying, less reason). Also, I asked Palmar about what I was uneasy about with the annul case and he answered me in a satisfying manner, I mostly just quoted sandroba for the lulz. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: I honestly thought he was joking at first, but it appears he was serious. Yes I was. I would like to see where this annul pressure will lead us, though I'm worried about the lacking case on him but I'll most likely vote on him until the end. On December 08 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote: At this point I'm fairly confident prplhz is scum. ##Vote prplhz At this point I'm fairly confident that Radfield is scum, he should know that I'm town by now and he shouldn't attack me like this. I really feel bad for you Radfield because you can't be wrong one single time as town or else people jump you  Also, sorry for textwall.tl;dr: I'm not scum, but Radfield most likely is. | ||
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On December 05 2011 02:51 redFF wrote: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/qjYbzb3n9nb heres our qt if anyone is interested in the sheer derpage Now stop talking about past game QTs. | ||
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