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On December 11 2011 03:26 redFF wrote:
my play is so different from my scum play it's unreal. I'm gonna pull a palmar and say the good players know im town.
also if nobody claims a second roleblock then either eran was lying or rad was rb'd or we have a town rb.
So, explain to me why you have been on my ass and disagreeing with me?
Are you really that bad?
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I still disagree with you on a few things, but I concede that you probably aren't scum.
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yes, but I explained the case on annul in detail? Going after me day 1 wasn't scummy per se... but really, how can anyone who considers him a vet not see that case and at least consider I may be right?
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Even sandroba agreed, and he's scum (no fucking chance, radfield, syllo, sandroba and I are all town)
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tbh sandroba's play so far seem fairly scummy to me, including the GUYS LOOK AT HOW RIGHT PALMAR IS thing to reduce the legitimacy of Palmar's case. I don't remember sandroba doing anything useful actually, especially when you consider his usual town play.
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On December 11 2011 03:32 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 03:31 Toadesstern wrote:On December 11 2011 03:25 Mattchew wrote:
Woops... made the list during last night and copy pasted with a change to annul.
Need to update.
Ps. annul that means there are 2 medics saying they didn't heal you.. REALLY YOU EXPECT US TO BELIEVE THERES A THIRD? There is no third medic... It's a question if there's only 1 medic (the NORMAL one that claimed) or really 2 medics (the one that claimed + the one that saved annul n1 if that's not a lie). Drazerk is NOT a medic, his claim is just bullshit and he will NOT be able to protect our medic the next night because he's NOT a medic. I still don't know what to make of his claim though. He's a liar for sure. Claiming he will protect our medic when he's not a medic at all is dangerous as fuck so I'm still going to say he's mafia How about this then I protect our medic if he dies you lynch me tomorrow?
If you really are mafia you controle who gets shot... Therefore you could just call out "well I protected him but it looks like mafia believes my claim because noone attacked him".
If you protect someone, claim you protected him 10 secs before the deadline and if that guy tells us he got shot and still lives I'm fine with your claim.
But as I think you're mafia proving ypu're town with your awesome medic powers (which I still don't believe to exist) is really hard. Try a more old-fashioned way, like, playing good.
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It's irrelevant for the day though.
I couldn't have put it better myself:
On December 10 2011 19:07 xsksc wrote:Hi, I've finally caught up with the thread. Why has annul not been lynched yet? Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 10:34 annul wrote:
because if i shoot you that says nothing about me whatsoever? but if i give power to the most town person that has consensus, then theres a chance i kill one of your partners AND i survive the day If you were so convinced on Palmar being scum, why didn't you just shoot him, or someone else you had a strong scum read on at the time? Shooting scum is the best thing you could have done in this situation. You KNEW that whoever you shot would flip town, so you give the responsibility away to someone who's very likely to pick you a juicy town target. You didn't even hesitate to kill prphlz (who you've barely mentioned in your filter) when you saw the opportunity. It blows my mind that you escaped the lynch yesterday. ##vote: Annul
I mean, the could just as well have claimed scum. I'm actually surprised he didn't go all kenpachi on us and kill me yelling "Blow me town".
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On December 11 2011 03:41 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 03:32 Drazerk wrote:On December 11 2011 03:31 Toadesstern wrote:On December 11 2011 03:25 Mattchew wrote:
Woops... made the list during last night and copy pasted with a change to annul.
Need to update.
Ps. annul that means there are 2 medics saying they didn't heal you.. REALLY YOU EXPECT US TO BELIEVE THERES A THIRD? There is no third medic... It's a question if there's only 1 medic (the NORMAL one that claimed) or really 2 medics (the one that claimed + the one that saved annul n1 if that's not a lie). Drazerk is NOT a medic, his claim is just bullshit and he will NOT be able to protect our medic the next night because he's NOT a medic. I still don't know what to make of his claim though. He's a liar for sure. Claiming he will protect our medic when he's not a medic at all is dangerous as fuck so I'm still going to say he's mafia How about this then I protect our medic if he dies you lynch me tomorrow? If you really are mafia you controle who gets shot... Therefore you could just call out "well I protected him but it looks like mafia believes my claim because noone attacked him". If you protect someone, claim you protected him 10 secs before the deadline and if that guy tells us he got shot and still lives I'm fine with your claim. But as I think you're mafia proving ypu're town with your awesome medic powers (which I still don't believe to exist) is really hard. Try a more old-fashioned way, like, playing good.
Even if I do control who gets shot the whole point is to save our confirmed medic which regardless is brilliant for town.
I am not going to claim 10 seconds before the deadline as I work early and can't be staying up until 4am
If you don't think I am town by now there is pretty much no way I am going to convince you as it isn't my style of play, your probably going to have to get used to it.
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On December 10 2011 22:09 Refallen wrote:
Another thing to consider is that considering how hard palmar has been pushing for annul's lynch, palmar being targeted last night makes it more likely that annul is mafia, as if he was town I would think mafia would have left palmar alive for the hope of getting a mis-lynch.
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On December 10 2011 23:51 Zephirdd wrote:
(question: does his JOAT role have the ability of self protection?)
(answer: yes.)
On December 10 2011 23:51 Zephirdd wrote:
I also feel so pro to have made that breadcrumb with this specific objective on my first post ^_^
heres the thing: now that i think about it... zeph isn't necessarily confirmed town or parity cop at all. he "checked" radfield (conveniently... why radfield?) and then palmar... it is possible zeph and palmar are both red. possible. it is also possible zeph is red and knows palmar is green and is playing for town cred too.
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Quite correct.
doesn't change much though, you're still dying.
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On December 11 2011 03:50 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 23:51 Zephirdd wrote:
(question: does his JOAT role have the ability of self protection?)
(answer: yes.) Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 23:51 Zephirdd wrote:
I also feel so pro to have made that breadcrumb with this specific objective on my first post ^_^ heres the thing: now that i think about it... zeph isn't necessarily confirmed town or parity cop at all. he "checked" radfield (conveniently... why radfield?) and then palmar... it is possible zeph and palmar are both red. possible. it is also possible zeph is red and knows palmar is green and is playing for town cred too.
Somehow, it's incredibly convenient that you'd post that.
Nah, I'm not smart enough to breadcumb parity cop out of all roles day 1.
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its not WIFOM to say "this is possible; he isn't CONFIRMED by way of what he is doing"
and the "lol i am not smart enough" defense.... you go there? its closed setup so who knows whats out there? it would make sense
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Fine, let me rephrase it.
This is a closed setup, therefore you don't know what roles are possible. Out of all roles in mafia, I would never ever think about creating a false breadcrumb for Parity Cop - why not just breadcrumb for a normal cop in the first place?
It's also from my very first post of the thread, no way in hell I would think about a plan like this. Nope, it's as legit as it gets.
Also, I interpret saying "it's possible that he is red if XXX" as WIFOM.
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don't try to use that to confirm yourself Zephirdd, let your actions speak for you.
Trust me, I once claimed cop as mafia, but I claimed I had a guilty result on one of the people who we killed during the night, and thus I must be insane. You're not confirmed town because you chose parity cop over a normal one.
However, your claim was... weirdly timed, but probably pro-town.
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when i play on the red team i play from post 1 as well. of course, when i play on any team i play from post 1. this doesnt mean anything.
the great thing about your breadcrumb for parity cop (instead of regular cop or anything else) is that it says nothing unless you tell us it says something. so you can plant that seed for all of the game and never point it out to us until the time is right. nobody will see it and say "HEY, HE BREADCRUMBED PARITY COP.... and he is claiming something else, or claiming green... lynch!" because of how obscure a breadcrumb it is. there is zero risk. so yeah i could see you doing that.
mind you i am not saying you are red (i dont know yet), only saying we should not say "palmar is CONFIRMED" or "zeph is CONFIRMED"
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oh hey also palmar could be the godfather too. that would make sense to make him the GF after day 1 play. so zeph could be telling the truth and still palmar could be red.
many ways to go from here.
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Ugh.
Annul, you are squirming.
On December 09 2011 14:31 annul wrote:
mason means PM rights with a person. alignment is irrelevant. if i use mason on someone i get to PM them for one cycle, nothing more.
Is it day or night.
Super important.
It IS specific.
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On December 10 2011 22:41 hyshes wrote:
I'm going to vote for annul as well. If he is town we should kill of the palmar club ( = everyone connected to palmar by claiming defending him or saying he is town), starting with palmar.
##vote annul
No no no no no. I will not lynch Palmar as I believe Zeph's claim.
On December 10 2011 23:20 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 21:50 Drazerk wrote:
for argument's sake and confirming both palmar / refallen. I protected sandroba last night so refallen has to be a medic. the fuck? Sandroba? I'm going to put this in caps to make sure you get what I'm talking about: SANDROBA? wtf was that supposed to do? It's not a question of 3 medics but a question of 2 medics. Our now claimed medic said he did not (!) protect annul n1, therefore we have to have 2 medics if annul's claim is right. Drazerks medic claim is still bullshit and there is no way his claim is viable.
Why do you think that Drazerk's claim is bullshit? Why are you assuming that there are only two medics in the setup? It's technically possible there's a third out there.
On December 11 2011 04:04 annul wrote:
oh hey also palmar could be the godfather too. that would make sense to make him the GF after day 1 play. so zeph could be telling the truth and still palmar could be red.
many ways to go from here.
But we don't even know for sure that we have a godfather or that it's chosen, do we? (or is it an unwritten required rule on TL?)
I'm voting annul.
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