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On December 04 2011 12:06 xsksc wrote: For those of you playing your first game, hi!  There are a couple of things you may want to know. Don't lie. As town, lying is almost never going to help, it'll probably just end up with you getting lynched. Don't be too quick to mindlessly jump on every bandwagon. Keep an open mind and vote for someone you believe there is a strong case on, or if you want to start your own case, write some good analysis on who you think is scum. Don't be a sheep. Try hard not to lurk, if townies are lurking it's a lot easier for scum to lurk with you. Just post whatever your thoughts are, let us know how you feel about X's post or Y's suspicious behavior. Let's get some discussion going! What do you guys think of policy lynches in general? Do you think they are a good idea, if so, why? Personally I disagree with lynching a lurker JUST because they're lurking, in a game like this anyway. The risk of hitting a townie is way too high. Lynch all liars is a great idea though. It discourages people from lying right from day 1, the only people with a good reason to lie are scum. Ok i think we should all agree that a lying is a bad thing. I honestly dont see a situation where it could be of use. As far as i see it, It just gives wrong information to the town. And can cause people to make bad calls based on a lie. I would be in favor of a lynch all liars policy. However i dont really think that lynching lurkers as a policy would be good. Lurkers could just be townies that dont have much to add. Or have alot on there schedule i know with my working hours it can be hard to post on a continuous basis. Also we should never lynch a lurker if we have a someone that looks scummy. Although on the other hand if we dont have any one that we think is mafia we could lynch a lurker as in general lurkers arent helpful to the town. Also Im curious tho what situation would there be that lying would even be helpful. Is it just that im still kinda new that i dont see it? | ||
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On December 04 2011 13:10 Velinath wrote: Blazinghand: Let's implement Lynch All Lurkers conditionally. If we have a case on someone else in the thread, we should use those lynches above a lurker lynch. If we have no good cases on anyone who's been actively posting, THEN lynch a lurker. Yes, lurking is anti-town, but we should be more focused on scumhunting from posts in the thread. Lynching people who are actively trying to misdirect the town should be a better option, right? (Given that, we may want to look at lynching a lurker today, if any remain by tomorrow (that's tomorrow in real time, by the way). I doubt we'll have any strong cases built by the end of day 1.) Yea this makes perfect sense to me. If we have someone who we think is scum we should nail his ass. A lurker while not helpful to the town should be a secondary concern. So we only lynch a lurker if we dont have any good scum reads. On December 04 2011 13:17 Grackaroni wrote: If we cannot agree on a solid lynch backed up with analysis that the town can agree on, then a lurker lynch is a good option since you are not risking lynching an active townie who is actually spending the time to read and analyze the game. Just judging from the game i replaced in with no mafia modkills and a shit load of town, I'm inclined to believe that we may have some lurking townies in this game as well. IF THE TOWN CANNOT AGREE ON A TARGET BASED ON ANALYSIS then I would agree that we need to lynch somebody who is lurking rather than an active townie, because the lurker will always remain a null read and an easy scapegoat for scum. Yea this pretty much sums it up. We gotta be actively scum hunting. Looking thru everyones post for a slip or something we dont think is protown. Only then we should be lynching lurkers. But ideally guys, We shouldn't have any lurkers lets encourage some solid posts with content. Im not saying spam but the more posts we have the better we are off for looking for information. | ||
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On December 04 2011 15:01 ey215 wrote: I'd just like to point out that Blazinghand is calling out people for giving their opinions. I guess if it's not groundbreaking then it's fluff. While I agree with you that just posting a question isn't enough, giving an opinion that agrees with others shouldn't be considered not participating. If we're going to win, the town needs to work together and discouraging newer townies to post by slapping them around when they do is probably not the right answer. Well you could say blazinghand is coming off aggressive. However honestly i think its just scum hunting. You should be aggressive and state your opinion if you think someone is scum. And remember just because someones new doesn't mean there town. You could be new and still draw mafia. I honestly am not sure how to read BKEXE hes obviously new. But is he a newbie townie or a newbie mafia. On December 04 2011 13:11 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey guys! Great to be joining. I think that when we vote we should make sure people did not mispeak. I think that we all need to figure out what we want to do as a group. What do you think? This was his first post and while there was alot of discussion going on in the thread he just posts this. Not even commentating on what was going on in the thread. Then talking about what we need to do as a group. When we already were talking about policy lynches. I would not straight out call him scum at this point. I just dont see him as being pro-town | ||
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On December 04 2011 15:10 BroodKingEXE wrote: Velinath, I said to check for inconsistent statements and you did. The fact that I said to check for mistakes in their inconsistent statements still stands though, as you point out through asking me about my inconsistent comment. I am happy to see you posting more, tho remember when ever you do post try to give your opinions and rereading the thread can prove useful. | ||
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On December 04 2011 15:57 ey215 wrote: On that note, off to bed. I make not promises on when I'll be on tomorrow, but I will. Oh, question can someone give me an idea of what time Eastern that voting closes? I suck at time conversions. Time Converter Map This should help you :D I got it bookmarked  | ||
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On December 04 2011 20:58 Tunkeg wrote: jaybrundage: The dissapointment of the game this far (strong words, but I think jaybrundage can take it). He is also a veteran, and should now that posting quality stuff is important. As of now there have been alot of filler posts. Ok you come out and call me a disappointment of the game And that i haven't been posting quality stuff. Thats Bullshit I post what im thinking about. I gave my opinion on lynching policies. I said what i thought about Blazinghands aggressiveness (which i agree with btw) And i gave my read on BKEXE. Who i think could very well be a noobie mafia. On December 05 2011 00:02 Tunkeg wrote: jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town. For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO. But im curious how did i go from not posting quality stuff to being mafia. Seeing that i havent even posted from then to your next post. While i think posting your reads on people is good. You got the wrong person in your cross hairs. Moving on here's more stuff that i noticed Ok so far i see adam has done quite a bit of lurking. He makes a single post at the start of the game.Correcting a mistake someone made about not being able to lynch. Then after ward after someone calls him a bored townie. He jumps on it claiming him self to be a bored townie. And then talks about mentions Blazinghand and Veli so called buddy buddy relationship. Soft claiming them to be mafia. He responds to Tunkegs questions and leaves it at that. Im going to right my reads out in a little bit i just need more time to reread the thread | ||
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Adam4167- Ok so far i have a scum read on adam I you can see in my last post why click He just comes off happy to stay off the radar I dont like how he is going about his game. Just posting ot barely keep up. And in general comes off apathetic. He says hes a bored townie but i think it could be a lurking mafia BByte- He has posted but not alot he seems content to just respond to people. He did comment about breadcrumbs which is true. Its funny because in my game of Mini Mafia X WBG claimed a blue role and because he breadcrumbed it people beleived him. He did post his reads on people which is good. I would like to see more posting from him. My question is what do you think of adam Bbyte . Blazinghand- Blazinghand has been the biggest posting factor atm. Trying to keep people from lurking and in general trying to generate discussion. While it may not be kosher its seems like its working great. People have responded to his prods. My biggest concern is if he was mafia he would be doing a terrific job. I agree that he has been very pro town. But remember guys putting to much trust in someone is always a mistake. So be wary BroodKingEXE- Ok so far i posted a little to nothing. I gave my read on him before. clickerz Well i said previously that he gave off a non pro-town vibe off. I have to disagree now. Rereading his posts I just think hes just new town. Well he can be a bit hard to read i still think hes just a newbie that doesnt know whats scummy and whats townlike. However Regardless We do need to see some posts from you about what you think about other players. If you continue to post like you are you are prolly gonna get lynched. So post your content. If its wrong is not what matters what matters is that you gave your opinion. ElectricBlack- Ok so far ElectricBlack hasnt posted much so far. His last post was pretty good containing content about the lynching policies. His respond to BH and about how he though BH was doing a decent job of making discussion. I would really would like to get your reads on the town tho. He does bring up a good point while BH is prolly town we can completly rule anyone out as scum. Establishing thread presence is a good think for both townies and mafia to do. But again i would like you reads. So far i have a null read ey215- Has posted alot. Mostly because of the arguement between him and and BH. BH called him out for a no content post ey responded by saying BH was making baseless accusations. And it escalated from there. Veli was trying to bring the heat down a bit (good by him). But eventually they decided to just settle things, ey defended himself well. Although to be honest im not sure of his alignment as far. He could be mafia who just did a great job defending himself or a townie who made sure that BH is not going to unchecked. Im going to keep my eye on him. Grackaroni- So far he has posted his reads and gave a good bit of content. Giving his reads and trying to keep everyone on the same page He mentioned that he agrees with hassybaby about not making straight up accusations like Tunkeg did so early in the game when people havent posted alot. Will i dont really agree with this. I think coming out with your town reads is always good. Premature sometimes but good. I do agree with his case on Adam tho so far hes still the scummiest in my book. So far i got a pretty good town read on him. Hassybaby- Ok so Hassybaby got outright accused of mafia with out even posting. Maybe we should go with people guts and just lynch him lol. Well his first post comes out and talks about the LaL policy. He mentions that we should not just lynch a lurker or liar if we have a good read on someone. I think that we all agreed on this. He then talks about how he doesnt like Tunkeg accusations However i mentioned before i dont think It is the wrong thing to do to put your reads out there. I personally like waiting for everyone to post but regardless. He then tells Tunkeg that He is accusing people to much. I still disagree with this. Tunkeg is generating discussion. I honestly think aggressive scum hunting is completely fine. I don't agree with him on his points. Weather he is scum or not is hard to tell i would like his reads before jumping to conclusions Tunkeg- Ok So i have mixed feelings on Tunkeg First off he comes out with his alignment posts and calls out a nonposter and me as being scum. Honeslty i think you should let people post before calling them mafia lol. I do like how he is poking and generating discussion. While i think his biggest disappointment thing was still stupid which he mentions as well. Hassy mentions that he thinks tunkeg is accusing to many people early in the game. But i think that while Tunkeg has said somethings that i dont neccesary agree with i do think its furthing a town agenda. I do think hes coming off protown even if his accusations are not always right. Tunkeg what d Velinath- Well as far i see Veli as being at townie. he talks about the policies a good bit Actually alot but that what the current conversation was about. he kind of gets on BKEXE case. Which i kinda did at the start as well Its really hard to read BKEXE but i still do think hes a townie. And then he gives his reads alot of them were null reads but it is still hard to place alignments on people this early in the game. I do find his amount of posting comforting tho. Makes it a bit easier to disguish his alignment. xsksc- Ok so i like his first post. It pretty much generated the discussion we had on policy lynches and so forth it was good to get out of the way. He mentions posts about breadcrumbs not proving blues which i agree with. talks about policies a good bit. and then tell BH to not be trigger happy. Its kinda funny that everyone gave an opinion on BH. Again aggressive scumhunting is good imo and making people post is great. He got called out on not scum hunting. Which i kinda agree with. he started the conversation about lynching talked about that for a while and then goes and doesnt give much of his reads or even analyzes any posts. I want to see his reads but im leaning scummy xtfftc- Well so far i dont really agree with his policy posts. I do think lynch all liars is a fine policy. He mentions that last minute lynches are a bad thing and i have to agree. he strongly agrees that everyone should post regardless of how we get them to post so he agrees with BH method. He calls out Ey as his strongest mafia read tho. Ill have to go over ey's posts again. As my read was no where near strong on Ey. He also mentions that While people can buddy up for instance BH and Veli that they can often be town and posts an example Syllogism and Sandroba. I do agree that both. So far a null read. I would like to see more of your reads tho Well thats what i got so far plz everyone tell me what yall think this took fucking forever thank god for filters tho. | ||
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Nice great to see some content from you i do agree with you on adam but for different reasons I also think your town reads are pretty spot on. What do you think about my reads they actually are pretty close ot yours. Im curious what you thinkg about ey he has posted alot and is not in your reads. He posted a his reads but mostly town. And Ey if you had to choice a someone to vote for now who would it be. You said BKEXE. But i dont find him a viable vote imo I still think hes new townie unless i see a post that changes my mind about him anyone else on your radar | ||
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On December 05 2011 08:04 Tunkeg wrote: Overall a good post, I agree on most of your reads. But my comments are: Adam: I was also tipping abit against scum on Adam, because of his lurking ways, but he is the only one who have been saying anti-town on Blazinghand, and I would think scum would not go after Blazinghand, but go for more easier targets. ElectricBlack Not sure if I agree on that his post was a really good post, it was an ok first post, and had he followed up then yeah, he could have been able to establish himself as town. But for me it seems abit like he is trying to give out as little information as possible, and that is not good for town. xtfftc He is a very hard read indeed. His posts have been seemingly protown, and he have had good activity. But he have supported me and Blazinghand, and as a scum that might be smart as many have town reads on us. He then have put his red mark on ey215 and a FOS on xsksc. ey215 is one of those who at the time could get framed and bandwagon lynched (based of his feud with Blazinghand) and afterward it would not be as obvious as for instance BroodKingEXE. Xsksc as a town is also a player I would presume scum would get rid off if they had the chance. So I consider xtfftc either a good townie or a great scum. As a final note I would like to say I completely agree of your comment about Blazinghand. There is no such thing as confirmed town! Hm you make a good point about Adam. Going after BH would not be the smartest move because most everyone has a town read on him. (again this does not make him a confirmed townie) But i really dont like how he just accepted your role of bored townie. And also he is trying to discredit people with out much evidence. I see where your coming from. But he just gives me a scummy vibe. I would love to see some more posts from him. And maybe we could confirm if he really is scum or not. Shoot i was hoping ElectricBlack would of posted again by now. I see what your saying here. One real post isnt going to helpful to the town i could see it if he was a mafia just trying ot lay low. Given that i do want to see a lot more from you EB at least some of your reads theres a lot of discussion going in time to throw your voice in. Xtffc is a hard read If hes scum things arent gonna be pretty. I dont know he has posted well tho and gives good reasons out. The thing is also he doesnt seem afraid to post which is good but at the same time a good mafia would be very forward with there opinions as well. Im going to have to go over his posts again see if i can find anything | ||
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On December 05 2011 08:53 Velinath wrote: And I'm back. I was rereading through Hassybaby's filter, and I'm going to revise my opinion of him a little. I think while he did react too defensively to the very light pressure that was being applied, he still reacted in a basically townie manner. The one thing that struck me over the last few pages is that BKEXE's posting style changed a lot between last night's posts and his post today. I don't know if it's just a time-of-day thing or what, but when a post tone changes that much, it tells me either A) it's done with coach input or B) it's a collaborative post from the mafia. Consider this: + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2011 13:11 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey guys! Great to be joining. I think that when we vote we should make sure people did not mispeak. I think that we all need to figure out what we want to do as a group. What do you think? + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 07:06 BroodKingEXE wrote: For all of you who are getting a bad read on me, I want to confirm that I am a newbie. While I respect that Blazinghand has been pusing to prevent lurkers my reponses were obivouisly to defend myself. I feel that it is still a strategy that will work to get reads on the mafia, even if it has put me in the red. In the early stages of the game I feel that there is no way I would be able to get any proper reads as a newbie, but right now I am leaning to: Mafia: Adam - his critism of Blazinghand's style comes right after a compliment showing that he is defininetly trying to kiss up to him. Hassy - he also critized Blazinghand's style in that he accuses him of targeting people early. His votes were clearly for getting people to talk, not at all to decide who to lynch. Townies: Blazing - has been contributing to the discussion and trying to get others to talk. Velinath - I am kind of borderline on this as he has been contributing, but he seems to be following Blazing as opposed to creating comments of his own. Turnkeg - I think he has been pressuring a little, trying to get a read,but I will go for townie. Grackoroni - I will put him here because in one of his comments he left his own name on Turneg's read list and did not comment. I feel like this would have been something that he could have used to push his case. As for the rest I feel like I have not got enough infomation. I am going to be off for the next few hours as I have a project due, but I will be sure to take a break to put my vote in. It feels way different to me, anyway. For now it seems suspicious to me - I'll wait to hear more before I put my vote in, but for now it feels like scum. On Adam4167: So far, two posts. I can see why everyone's suspicious of him - he made a mistake in attacking the most vocal (and, in some people's minds, most pro-town) player. That said, I feel like it could be just defensiveness to BH's style. I'll have to wait for more posts, but for now he's just made my watchlist. On xkskc: I noted some people have been thinking that he might be scum. I think he needs to post his reads. Until then we don't have anything to go on, and that's not a good situation. Hm I honestly though that BKEXE change of posting was great. He posted some good whats the word.. Oh yea CONTENT :D He stated his reads and stated what he though of everyone. I have been encouraging this guy to post better ever since i got a noob townie read on him. I would still like him to post more but i think it was a great step in the right direction. I would not be happy with a BKEXE lynch tho Yea i really want adam to post so i can see more of his thoughts but so far its been nothing kinda disappointing. But given how it is now i have to say hes my biggest scum read. He needs to post thats the blunt of it because as it is hes getting my vote. Xkskc is a wierd case i have a scum vibe on him but its difficult he has posted a good bit at the start but after that he hasnt said alot i do agree with you that we need his reads. For now im voting adam ##Vote Adam4167 | ||
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On December 05 2011 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote: You mention that you are a newbie, yet you have read up on other games before this one. Well not everyone does that, so this is truly the first game I have experienced. After my posts I took a step back and looked at them and I saw that they were terribly thought out. In the heat of the moment a newbie would obviously falter. Guys i have to say i really dont think BKEXE is mafia. I know when it was my first game and i was just a townie (havent got to play mafia yet) : (. I posted alot of one liners and not with a lot of content heck in my first game i just got on a bandwagon trying to lynch someone before anyone had even posted lol. Later i died because i didnt play well and the mafia were very good. Also while i did try to change my posting for the better people saw that as a sign that my mafia friends had helped me get better. I can honestly say that i can relate to a lot of what BKEXE is saying. Im glad to see his posts change i hope he can can keep improving i honestly dont see a lynch on him being productive. If he makes a scum slip thats different. but remeber you can only take WIFOM so far. | ||
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On December 05 2011 09:39 Blazinghand wrote: There are 24 hours and 20 minutes left until the deadline. Vote now for your chief scumread, and change your vote later if you change your mind. I want to know who you're voting for. Blazinghand what do you think about Ey and Veli there has been quote a bit of talk about them recently | ||
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On December 05 2011 10:58 ElectricBlack wrote: Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you. I will vote in my own time when I can explain in detail why and how I came to the conclusion. In addition I still have a few people to read up on and form an opinion on, so I might not even end up voting Hassybaby when it comes to it. Wow talk about missing the shit storm im sorry i wasnt here for that discussion. Well it seems that alot of people are changing there vote to EB. While understand the reason and as far as i can see it its because hes being a dick. Although im not sure if he mafia or town. I really think it would be unbearably stupid to act like this. But at the same time you can use a WIFOM to so that he could be mafia but i dont know. Im hoping it just him being arrogant. I want to see his thoughts on hassybaby and the game in general before switching my vote. And i noticed adam is here. So i want to wait to hear what he says as well. I also find Bbyte case on Veli interesting. I had a pretty solid town read on him but ill double check his posts. Better safe then sorry. Also i would like your input on the other cases Bbyte and why they dont appeal to you as much Btw xsksc i am glad your posted havent seen you in a while. I noticed what you said about tunkeg as well. I mentioned in my post that he made a point to go from he was disappointed in my posting to calling me scum even tho i never posted in that time as well. Kinda odd. but at the same time i dont see him as scum I think hes more of a townie trying to poke and get some reactions from people. Im curious what you think about xtfffc i dont have much of a read on him as well can you give more more incite on him then what you said. And Your Spacing bugs' the crap outta me | ||
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On December 05 2011 12:40 Grackaroni wrote: Me, but I'm probably going to be sleeping pretty soon Grack what do you think of xsksc posts. it was a good bit of info I do like that he posts some analyze finally hopefully he can keep on the ball :p | ||
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On December 05 2011 12:51 xsksc wrote: What do you mean by my spacing? You read my post and all you can comment on is my not liking you spacing lol Idk it was ok it just makes it overly big But lets not start comparing post sizes we all know where that arguement leads Also i made a post a while back CLICK MEH what do you think of it most of the reads remain unchanged with exceptions to EB i also find Bbyte case on veli something that might change my stance on them but as far no. | ||
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Everyone is getting so heating we have had people get angry and make posts that dont contribute at all to discussion. You can see it so many times in the thread. First it was the ey and BH arguments where for the most part it was fun but then snide comments where made about one person and a bit of a angry retort back. Then it was EB who got angry at BH for trying to force him to vote saying him not voting was to spite him. This doesnt help anyone and paints EB in a bad light regardless if hes mafia or not. And after that xsksc made a call saying he wanted to lynch some people he thought were being retarded. I even think i might have missed another case of this happening. Granted everyone came back and admitted that they went over board. But guys getting angry and letting your emotions guide your responses isn't going to help us. We have to rely on our logic alone and analyze. If your angry or annoyed or pissed just take a second and reread what your typing, and see if your helping the town or hurting it. Thats what i got to say atm. Ill post some more comments on what else happened in the thread in a bit. | ||
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I dont mind if you think im scummy. Just make a real case for it. You too BH if you wanna call me scummy awesome i just want to see some real case not a off hand remark about. How you think i might be scummy. And second off you called me scummy as well as adam and BKEXE i want cases ffs you say you wanna lynch Bbyte for what lurking if you have a scummy case on me plz lets hear it. Also you say you think that the scum reads from you are for Me adam and BKEXE. Honestly how does that even make sense. I know i defended BKEXE. I honestly dont see him as scum. But i was really hoping he would post more. He posted on adam. Which is great but he just isn't a huge contributing factor this game. Maybe i was wrong about BKEXE but tell me why. And also If adam is scum why would he push his two "scum buddies" which in your opinion is Me and BKEXE. It does make any sense. If i was scum why the hell would i push adam and then for him to OMGUS me back. It doesn't add up. Honestly adam i was hoping to see some analyze not a simple OMGUS. I have tried to be active in this game posting my reads. And what i have to say about. Right now i dont agree with the Bytes lynch i think it will end up being a policy lynch and not scum lynch. I think him voting Veli is him trying to contribute. I think its misguided but i dont think its the right vote we should be making. Grack i want your opinion. BKEXE wont be hear till lynch which does not make me happy. I do not like the Bbyte lynch. I do feel like xsksc would be a possiblity. Im going to reread a bit. So right now i think i might go for Xsksc or adam im gonna reread for a bit and decide | ||
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If you wanna call me me scummy come out and say it im done with people soft claiming someones scum with out a real reason behind it. I honestly think that bullshit like that is not going to help the town. If people want to lynch me then great go for it but if i want some damn good cases against me. And if i die i want it to be obvious who the scum were that were pushing my lynch. | ||
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Even if i voted for him it would not happen. I dont really have much of a read on him. Ill go read his filter again but so far i noticed he hasnt post much at all and that he seems to be lacking in content. Im going to post my case in a bit. Sorry its taking a while | ||
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On December 05 2011 01:38 Adam4167 wrote: If my lack of posting thus far has crowned me as a boring townie, I guess it’s a mantle I’ll wear You’ve caught my attention Blazinghand, don’t slip =). This is the first post he made that caught my attention. He claims the mantle of of a bored townie. You prove your a townie by posting content and and contributing your reads and discussion which as far you hadn't. I think that he was obviously lurking for a while. He made a post against BH and then later apologized for it after he came under alot of scrutiny. He stated that he would of had the same reaction if he had been somber but at the same times says it was a misguided attempt. He makes a case against BKEXE who i think is a every easy lynch target. What do Adam do when he comes out from lurking. Well he points his finger at another lurker. Then adam moves on to me. On December 05 2011 15:31 Adam4167 wrote: Jaybrundage Jay’s reads on me seem weak and effortless. He labels me as scum for ‘lurking’ and says I come off as happy to fly under the radar and just posting to keep up (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12590767). While, I’ll give him the lurking thing (lurking and inactivity look awfully similar), I don’t think id describe my play as flying under the radar. I misguidedly attacked everyone’s most confirmed townie and have launched myself right into the spotlight by doing so. This is not apathetic behaviour. These reads feel fabricated because I made myself an easy target due to my inactivity and less than stellar response to BH’s aggression. Jay even states here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12583286) that lynching lurkers is not a good policy, yet has focused a majority of his attention on me… for lurking (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12592678) and I have even earned his vote for doing so. This is very inconsistent logic. Jay also posts for the sake of posting, even weaving idle bullshit in like mentioning xsksc’s spacing? What is the relevance of that to the game? The rest of his posts seem equally as half-hearted and filler. The TLDR version amounts to: I have scum reads on both Jaybrundage and BloodKingEXE I am willing to give ElectricBlack the benefit of the doubt until his next post. Everyone else Ill consider "town"/null as I am not trusting enough to ever consider anyone 100% town. As such, ##Vote: Jaybrundage Adam does have a point tho i had posted no real case on him just my general reads. While i did call him scummy because he was not only lurking but also in a suspicious way. If no one calls out the lurkers then they can just stay hidden. Thats why BH put his vote on you and many other people. You finally put out some reads. But it was a OMGUS even then and a easy lynch target to boot. You even mention me talking about xsksc spacing. What the fuck how is that even relevant to me being a mafia or not. And then adam defends xsksc who seems like he might all so be potential mafia. I still will stand by my read of tunkeg i think he is only trying to get some solid posts out of people and i think he might have a lead on something but as it stands so far Im still going to be voting for adam | ||
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I know hes been semi lurking but he hasn't even got to see this recent move against him. | ||
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So far bbyte is gonna get lynched regardless unless we have a change.I would still like to see his defense. But so far it doesnt look good. But honestly last minute switches always put me at unease. I still plan to stick to adam i would like to see what he has to say about whats going on so far. And EB if you think adam is not a good candidate plz state why this post. On December 06 2011 05:45 ElectricBlack wrote: reconsider that, he's the worst candidate. Isn't going to change anything. Put in some content i would like to see more of your thoughts. But besides Hassybaby's case which was actually pretty good. And you arguing with xsksc which granted showed that you can post very well when you want too. Why give me this one liner it's not gonna change anything | ||
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Its weird when ever BH sets his sight on someone it seems most everyone follows suit. While i believe his vote on veli was really out of place and not supported with much evidence i do think that it would be odd for a mafia to just vote someone seemingly pro-town. Without any support. Im not going to vote for him because i don't think hes mafia. BH you never gave me any answer why you think im scum please enlighten me. | ||
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On December 07 2011 09:33 Blazinghand wrote: FYI it's also everyone's fault the lynch went the wrong way, since we all failed to capture a majority. I'm just saying that if you have a solid read, you have a BIG responsibility to convince the rest of us. ESPECIALLY if you're right. Also, most towns mislynch on the first day. Im going to write my post up on what i think went on this night. Sorry for being a bit inactive. I saw BH post about no posting and then was really busy so i didnt get around till now. But BH honestly i find this statement really suspicious. But BH you Succeded to capture the majority. You made the case against Bbyte and your case garnered the majority. It almost seems like your trying to take the chunk of responsibility off your back. I put down what i thought about adam. And said why i didnt like BBytes case. Im going back to make my posts about what else happened tonight. As well as response to your nice post about me. Thank you for that btw :D | ||
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Half of my posts you called Hedging. The way you post it i assumed hedging was something a mafia would do. However as far as i can see it hedging is just stating your opinion with out stating it as a fact or a statement correct? Well ofc this is the case so far the only person who's alignment i know is me and Bbyte. Therefore i could state Bbyte is a town or that he was pushing a town agenda but was lurking. I would not have to say i think hes pushing a town agenda. Or it seems to me. Or any of that bullshit. The reason i use this hedging is because i don't know anything. Everything that i state is speculation, analyze, and my thoughts on a matter. So in the end everyplace that you said i was hedging was really just me giving my thoughts and opinions on someone. Then you bold where i stated something about breadcrumbs and WBGs play On December 06 2011 09:02 Blazinghand wrote: What i said BByte- He has posted but not alot he seems content to just respond to people. He did comment about breadcrumbs which is true. Its funny because in my game of Mini Mafia X WBG claimed a blue role and because he breadcrumbed it people beleived him. He did post his reads on people which is good. I would like to see more posting from him. My question is what do you think of adam Bbyte What BH wrote Continuing to dislike Adam. Says Bbyte is quiet, but crucially talks about WBG's breadcrumbing in mini mafia X, claiming that it caused people to believe him... while crucially leaving out the fact that WBG wasn't actually the jailkeeper in that game. WBG was a mafia member using breadcrumbs to pretend to be the jailkeeper. People bought his story, and so he won as mafia. This is NOT a good example of breadcrumbing, this is showing its crucial limitations! WBG WAS NOT BLUE IN THAT GAME. Ok for this im going to get Bbyte's quote so we have some context. On December 04 2011 21:58 BByte wrote: Good On policies: Lynch all liars and Lynch all lurkers are useful tools for hunting scum and promoting valid town discussion. Some random points: Breadcrumbs alone can't confirm a claim, but they can still be useful in analyzing which claimant is the real one. Depending on who the claimants checked, whether any of those checks flipped is still valid information to use. Back to reading the thread, more thoughts later. Also feel free to ask me anything, I'll be happy to discuss stuff that's not already beaten to death. Hm So i said that WBG was roleclaiming and because of his Breadcrumbs people believed him (incorrectly because he did turn out to be mafia). But as Bbyte said Breadcrumbs alone can't confirm a claim So i agree with him. Because WBG used them to his advantage as mafia. Maybe i assumed that people would know about the game. But i dont think i did anything mafia like in this maybe just assuming something? Moving on You criticize my comment that no one should get heated in the thread. Are you honestly calling that post Link Do you think that we should let our emotions guide our conversation. I was using examples but getting heated in this game is not gonna help us. I could call you out as Stupid and being idiotic for lynching a townie. But obviously even if i was pissed it would be dumb to do that. I think that we can both agree that you making a snide remark to ey about playing lol didnt help at all in finding mafia. Don't you agree? On December 06 2011 04:48 jaybrundage wrote: I dont mind if you think im scummy. Just make a real case for it. You too BH if you wanna call me scummy awesome i just want to see some real case not a off hand remark about. How you think i might be scummy. And second off you called me scummy as well as adam and BKEXE i want cases ffs you say you wanna lynch Bbyte for what lurking if you have a scummy case on me plz lets hear it. Also you say you think that the scum reads from you are for Me adam and BKEXE. Honestly how does that even make sense. I know i defended BKEXE. I honestly dont see him as scum. But i was really hoping he would post more. He posted on adam. Which is great but he just isn't a huge contributing factor this game. Maybe i was wrong about BKEXE but tell me why. And also If adam is scum why would he push his two "scum buddies" which in your opinion is Me and BKEXE. It does make any sense. If i was scum why the hell would i push adam and then for him to OMGUS me back. It doesn't add up. Honestly adam i was hoping to see some analyze not a simple OMGUS. I have tried to be active in this game posting my reads. And what i have to say about. Right now i dont agree with the Bytes lynch i think it will end up being a policy lynch and not scum lynch. I think him voting Veli is him trying to contribute. I think its misguided but i dont think its the right vote we should be making. Grack i want your opinion. BKEXE wont be hear till lynch which does not make me happy. I do not like the Bbyte lynch. I do feel like xsksc would be a possiblity. Im going to reread a bit. So right now i think i might go for Xsksc or adam im gonna reread for a bit and decide What adam said So, I think he's vaguely scummy, and have vague sumreads on adam and BKEXE. However, his reasoning is completely shitty. The fact of the matter is Mafia will gladly distance themselves from each other in town discussions! Mafia will throw each other under the bus to appear innocent, or work together to make it look like they're not bussing, etc. The fact that Adam is scummy, and so is BKEXE, does NOT Make JB innocent-- that's a logical fallacy the kind of which gets towns buried. Im going to state this right now. My logic is completely sound and there is nothing wrong with it. What you are using is WIFOM for people not familiar with it hear is where it comes from. Link To be clear you could be right if me, Adam and BKEXE are scum then i could be trying to buss my teammate to gain town cred (although your forgetting one thing we don't know anyone's alignment till they flip so i would have to lynch adam to bus him which i would love to do btw). But if your using WIFOM logic i would know that bussing my teammate would be actually make me look mafia because they would think that bussing him would be a mafia thing to do. OR you could use WIFOM again and say i know that they know that they think i would be mafia to bus my teammate so i wont bus my teammate. WIFOM is good to think about occasionaly but to state that my logic is shit is just not true. You would just state that i could be using WIFOM. I hope that makes sense WIFOM is sometimes not easily understood for people not familiar with it. But at its simplest its just doing the not obvious thing to trick someone. 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Nice use of caps to make it seem like you have a point. Your "core of your argument. Is also dumb is stated multiple times i did not like the Bbyte case. I'm not gonna let you steamroll the townies into another mislynch. Ill give people some time to read my case before i comment again. I was not expecting EB to get killed i was thinking either BH Veli maybe Grack even. I really wish he had posted his case on me instead of his empty comment that he thinks I'm mafia. | ||
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I still think your hedging comment is bullshit. I gave my opinion on things. I expect to be held fully accountable for what i state. Lol if i was fully aware EB was dead why would i ask him for his case on me. I think your just putting pressure on me becauese of this post. On December 07 2011 09:49 jaybrundage wrote: Im going to write my post up on what i think went on this night. Sorry for being a bit inactive. I saw BH post about no posting and then was really busy so i didnt get around till now. But BH honestly i find this statement really suspicious. But BH you Succeded to capture the majority. You made the case against Bbyte and your case garnered the majority. It almost seems like your trying to take the chunk of responsibility off your back. I put down what i thought about adam. And said why i didnt like BBytes case. Im going back to make my posts about what else happened tonight. As well as response to your nice post about me. Thank you for that btw :D You asked me for my case. Before the voting deadline. And i made it hear it is against adam On December 06 2011 05:41 jaybrundage wrote: Ok so i am going to vote for adam. This is the first post he made that caught my attention. He claims the mantle of of a bored townie. You prove your a townie by posting content and and contributing your reads and discussion which as far you hadn't. I think that he was obviously lurking for a while. He made a post against BH and then later apologized for it after he came under alot of scrutiny. He stated that he would of had the same reaction if he had been somber but at the same times says it was a misguided attempt. He makes a case against BKEXE who i think is a every easy lynch target. What do Adam do when he comes out from lurking. Well he points his finger at another lurker. Then adam moves on to me. Adam does have a point tho i had posted no real case on him just my general reads. While i did call him scummy because he was not only lurking but also in a suspicious way. If no one calls out the lurkers then they can just stay hidden. Thats why BH put his vote on you and many other people. You finally put out some reads. But it was a OMGUS even then and a easy lynch target to boot. You even mention me talking about xsksc spacing. What the fuck how is that even relevant to me being a mafia or not. And then adam defends xsksc who seems like he might all so be potential mafia. I still will stand by my read of tunkeg i think he is only trying to get some solid posts out of people and i think he might have a lead on something but as it stands so far Im still going to be voting for adam | ||
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On December 07 2011 11:33 Velinath wrote: First off, I was roleblocked last night. Secondly, yes, I agree with this lynch. Scummy posts after Night 1 and the analyses posted? No question. Hassy can be saved for tomorrow. ##Vote: jaybrundage Why would you claim right now your giving mafia information that we dont want them to have. And secondly if you dont post a case on me WITH YOUR OWN THOUGHTS we gonna have another mislynch with BH leading it. You gotta stop sheeping Veli if you wanna give me your case give me YOUR case | ||
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On December 07 2011 11:57 Velinath wrote: @JB: So you skipped the day post for like half an hour? I find that hard to believe. It takes me a while to write up a case. It took me a good hour i think and at the end i wrote about EB. Weather you believe that or not is up to you i cant prove or unprove that. Look at my last post before the day post tho thats when i started writing my case. Before i wrote about EB. But this question has to be asked if i saw the daypost why the hell would i ask EB a question who is now dead? it makes no sense if i was mafia or town. Its just a stupid thing to do. And makes me look suspicious. | ||
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On December 07 2011 12:02 Velinath wrote: Who said anything about claiming? Read the OP, ANYONE is told they get roleblocked if they get targeted by the roleblocker, even if they are a vanilla townie. I am not giving scum ANY information here. Oh i didn't realize this in mini mafia X i dont think it was like this. Ok thats fine then | ||
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On December 07 2011 12:04 Blazinghand wrote: Ah, so because it was dumb, you must not be mafia? You can't WIFOM your way out of this. You made a gambit to look town and it backfired, bad. Nobody misses the day post. Not even you. No dude its called Occam's Razor the simplest explanation is the prolly the correct one. I didn't see EB was dead so i asked him a question. What your are doing is WIFOM. But a dumb one imo. Call it what you will i didnt see the day post. simple as that | ||
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While the New day post was on page 30 is it really that hard to understand. I posted what i had to say about your post for me and then looked over the new posts. If you dont believe me great i said i cant prove it. You act like this was a scum slip. When i just hadn't seen the day post. Regardless i want to get more input from people before i start typing a case. Adam is still might have my vote but lets see what new information the new day brings | ||
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And going through lots of filters. I have my thoughts on who i think is mafia. Try to have a open mind tho. So at the start of the game BH has been a leading factor for this game. Because of this and his very aggressive playstyle people began to follow him. He the closest you can come to confirmed townie. And because of this people began sheeping to him. One of these people almost to a dot has been Veli. The first person that noticed this trend was Adam. On December 05 2011 01:38 Adam4167 wrote: My thoughts on Blazinghands aggression so far is that I feel he is trying to generate discussion. However, I question whether he is trying too hard to establish himself as a townie by his badgering. This, coupled with his apparent buddy-buddy relationship with Velinath has me keeping a close eye on both of them as I find it strange that they are apparently “BFF’s” after only 12 hours of play. So to directly answer your question, Tunkeg, I find his behaviour suspicious and erring on the side of Anti-town. 5 separate votes in 12 hours is akin to spam and is just leading the town around in circles, rather than focusing on any one target. You’ve caught my attention Blazinghand, don’t slip =). Who then got voted for by BH first shortly followed by Veli. I did participate on the vote with adam however i gave my own reasoning. Instead of just hoping on the bandwagon. Veli has had filler posts the entire game. following BH lead almost the entire game hear are some examples. On December 04 2011 13:24 Velinath wrote: EBWOP because you guys post too fast: Blazinghand, I completely agree with your idea here. If we lack a case on a poster in the thread, lurkers are, regardless of alignment, anti-town, and they should be lynched in preference to a no-lynch. Given that, ##Vote: Bbite Let's hear from another nonposter. On December 04 2011 14:34 Velinath wrote: Blazinghand, that's a good point. It looks like all of the people who have not posted are probably doing so because of time zones. As such, I'm dropping my vote (assuming I'm formatting properly!) and will put it back on if one of our four "lurkers" hasn't posted in the next 12-16 hours. ##Unvote: BByte On December 04 2011 14:42 Velinath wrote: Hi, this also feels noncontributive. I feel like what Blazinghand was looking for was more of an opinion on one of the matters we've been discussing in the thread. If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to hear what you have to say about the Lynch All Lurkers policy discussed a couple of pages back. Adding questions but no answers isn't really posting content, at least not in my eyes. On December 05 2011 03:29 Velinath wrote: Whee, time to copy in my reads. Keeping a spreadsheet is going to be quite helpful, I think. Blazinghand: Feels very Townie to me. Posting reasonable content and post analysis already. Willing to take actions on his stances. Softclaimed Vanilla Townie http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067¤tpage=8#152 Bringing lurkers out, which can ONLY help town. I approve. Call it 90% town. Also, his discussion with ey215 looked good, and convinced me further of his townieness. On December 05 2011 08:53 Velinath wrote: On Adam4167: So far, two posts. I can see why everyone's suspicious of him - he made a mistake in attacking the most vocal (and, in some people's minds, most pro-town) player. That said, I feel like it could be just defensiveness to BH's style. I'll have to wait for more posts, but for now he's just made my watchlist. Alot of Veli's post where filler and have been following BH in almost everycase. The other big factor to my case is the mislynch of Bbyte. I do agree that he was lurking a good bit. However what was one of is contribitions. Well lets look back. On December 05 2011 09:20 BByte wrote: My strongest scum read so far is Velinath. He has been active (very much so actually), but what has he contributed? Some policy discussion, a bit of finger pointing (mostly to spark activity), some fluff. Mostly he has been following other people's ideas, not making his own calls. All of this is something scum could easily do with very little risk. Then there are a couple of posts of light analysis. His "reads post" sums it up best: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 03:29 Velinath wrote: Whee, time to copy in my reads. Keeping a spreadsheet is going to be quite helpful, I think. Blazinghand: Feels very Townie to me. Posting reasonable content and post analysis already. Willing to take actions on his stances. Softclaimed Vanilla Townie http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067¤tpage=8#152 Bringing lurkers out, which can ONLY help town. I approve. Call it 90% town. Also, his discussion with ey215 looked good, and convinced me further of his townieness. BroodKingEXE: Empty post. Worries me.Feels scummy but could be a noob. Amend: Six posts that don't sit right with me, but again, could be new player. xkskc: Leaning town for now. Started our policy discussion. Discussion is good. While he disagrees with BH's methods, I clearly feel like he's playing a townie game right now. Different methodolgy, same goal. To note, he pointed out that there may be mafia in the group leadership., which should be something to keep in mind. Question is whether it's sowing suspicion or genuine pro-town, and I haven't figured that out yet. xtfftc: Null read. He argued against LAL and LALurkers, and I don't wanna go with that. Let's look again once he posts again. (Amend: Looked through his filter to update this post, and I really liked his post here. Still a null read, but this feels positive to me.) ey215: Pointed out some good things. He sees Blazinghand's methods as creating tension within the town, and that's fine - he's entitled to opinion. Like xkskc, he disagrees with methods but seems to be working towards the same goal. Their discussion, while heated, really brought out to me that they both seem very town-aligned, and willing to take positions and defend them. EB: Makes good points. At this point I'm leaning town, simply because he's pro-discussion this early. That said I'd love to see more posts here. Tunkeg: Posted his reads, and is encouraging discussion. I think this is a good thing, and might peg him as one of the influential voices in the town soon. Largely a null read, but I'm starting to lean town. BByte: I'm not totally impressed yet. One post about breadcrumbs (which is more about the game in general than a content post) and one post about a couple of the players. That post was good, and I agree that we shouldn't be intimidated by one person, but I'd like to see more. jaybrundage: Neutral for now, but a lack of content disturbs me. We've still got like 30 hours though. Adam4167: Two posts, neither of which hugely impress me. I liked how he went through and stated a clear opinion on BH's play. While I disagree with his opinion, I think that the way he put things is pro-town in that post. I'd love to see more content here, but so far looks pretty good. Hassybaby: Disagrees with early targets, and I can see why. I think he is overly defensive towards Tunkeg - not an OMGUS vote, but definitely that kind of idea. Not sure what to think, but this early just a null read. Grackaroni: Posted reads, but before that there's a bunch of policy posts. Not that I haven't made a ton of policy posts too, but I'll wait for more content. Null read. How does half town, half null reads with a couple of unsures thrown in help the town in any way? Even those unsure reads are off people who have been previously called out by others. Everything seems very non-committal. #Vote Velinath On December 06 2011 09:18 BByte wrote: Okay, back home and (re-)reading the thread. Boy did I pick up a bad day to be AFK. First note: There's a reason a day lasts 48 hours. The first vote on me was made 9 hours ago, roughly 10 hours before the lynch deadline. Second note: I stand by my earlier statement: There are no real lurkers in this game. Instead of voting based on activity, I'd prefer a vote based on the actual content of the posts. For the people who are voting me: In case there are any specific questions that you'd like for me to answer, please post them and I'll give what answers I can. Whether my answers will be enough to convince you to vote someone else is up to you. I did however state that I'd be extremely busy with work today. It's only 9 hours since the first vote on me. That's not really enough time to expect someone to be able to answer. How exactly is my vote suspicious? I posted my read (which was against pretty much everyone else, is that mafia behavior?) and I perhaps didn't articulate my case as well as I should have, but what am I hiding? For my activity see above and my previous posts. I also find weird from a quick skim through the posts since the last I've read the thread that no one has actually even commented on the actual content of my accusation on Velinath. What do people think about his posting, especially up to the point I accused him? Was / am I sure he's scum? No, but at least my vote was based on a read instead of a non-read. The post I made about the case was perhaps "half-assed" in hindsight. I did spend a lot of time reading and analyzing, but not enough time in forming my case to a coherent post. Also I didn't use nearly enough quotes. And he gets tagged team by the duo of Veli and BH. He tries to post to defend himself. Tries to show that what he did wasn't scummy. He posted his reads more then some of the people in this thread. After he knows that he is gonna get lynched he posts this. On December 06 2011 09:59 BByte wrote: Okay, so it seems I'm about to be lynched. Unfortunately I was pretty much MIA today, and wasn't able to respond to the case (or lack thereof) made against me. I've tried to post honestly and openly. What I've said so far I still think is pro-town. Apart from that, I'd like the town to note two additional people: Blazinghand: He has been very active and vocal so far. That paints him as town. However, he could have made all the posts nearly as easily if he were scum. To the townies: Please hold him up to the high standard he has presented so far. He still might be scum, just well hidden in plain sight. He was also the second guy to vote for my lynch. xtfftc: Some scum vibes off him, not enough time to post an actual case. He posted a case on Veli and was soon voted for by BH and ofc Veli followed like he always does. The reason that adam got off the hook was because he did not continue pursuing BH and Veli. Also remember the sharade that happened with EB. He was going to post a reason why hassybaby was a lynch candadite and did not want to put his vote in because he did not have time to write it up ( he did not say this at the time) But BH could not stand someone stand up to him. He went out and called him anti town and wanted everyone to vote him. This is one part On December 05 2011 11:01 Blazinghand wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, case closed. EB's just trying to spite me? Trying to spite THE TOWN? We need him out. He's worse than a lurker. Look how it went for trying to spite BH to spiting the town. EB was not spiting the town he was doing it because BH was being pushy and a bully and he would not stand for it. So after Bbyte mislynch he posts this little gem. On December 07 2011 09:33 Blazinghand wrote: FYI it's also everyone's fault the lynch went the wrong way, since we all failed to capture a majority. I'm just saying that if you have a solid read, you have a BIG responsibility to convince the rest of us. ESPECIALLY if you're right. Also, most towns mislynch on the first day. He tries to take all of the blame off himself. He states its everyones fault the lynch went wrong today AND I QUOTE since WE all failed to capture a majority He REFUSES to take responsibility for HIS mislynch. He even has the audacity to blame the town. and then ends it with most towns mislynch first day. He tries to throw a pitiful bandaid on it And then when i call him out on it. On December 07 2011 09:49 jaybrundage wrote: Im going to write my post up on what i think went on this night. Sorry for being a bit inactive. I saw BH post about no posting and then was really busy so i didnt get around till now. But BH honestly i find this statement really suspicious. But BH you Succeded to capture the majority. You made the case against Bbyte and your case garnered the majority. It almost seems like your trying to take the chunk of responsibility off your back. I put down what i thought about adam. And said why i didnt like BBytes case. Im going back to make my posts about what else happened tonight. As well as response to your nice post about me. Thank you for that btw :D He comes back at me with this Thats the most cohherent response he has? Really? What the dicks is this Wow. Also as a side note. After BH posts his case on me ofc Veli follows like he always does. With no real content of his own. The funniest part is that he even states im not his strongest scum read. But he follows BH like he always does. On December 07 2011 12:37 Velinath wrote: Hi Blazing. My best scumread is still Hassybaby right now, as per my comment from the middle of Day 1 (after EB posted that he would post a case the next morning) and later, EB's case that went through the points I made as well as additional points. That said, I'm reluctant to push him as a lynch target until he gets replaced and his replacement shows up - or he comes back from AFK, one of the two. This is my case I would suggest everyone go back and reread with this is mind and look at how Bbyte was Mislynched. Thank you for your time I would be open to vote for either as i think there both scum Veli or BH For now im voting for Veli because thats who BByte wanted to lynch and he ended up getting mislynched. ##Vote Velinath | ||
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On December 08 2011 01:04 Velinath wrote: Oh, and because it seems to be the popular thing to do: @jaybrundage Come at me, bro. Still Following BH LOL | ||
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I did think it was wierd that the only thing he does is goes against Veli a seemingly protown person. And he got lynched for it. I did not think a mafia would post something like that because Veli was look good atm. And i was srs i did want Bbyte to defend himself didn't everybody i dont want to see lynches on lurkers that is not fun at all. I wanted to get content and discussion going on. | ||
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Why did you vote for me if you said you best scum read was hassybaby. oh wait BH voted for me no wonder. If you can honestly say you have not been adhering to most of BH's decisions ill hang my self | ||
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On December 07 2011 10:13 Blazinghand wrote: AND THIS IS MEANINGLESS. COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS Lol how did you figure that out. Me saying Fuck And i thought there was so much content in that fuck. Lol the more i reread the thread the funnier your case against me looks | ||
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On December 08 2011 02:12 Velinath wrote: @jaybrundage Had to move my computer. Answer: YOU'RE NOT LISTENING. I voted BByte before BH did, I was building my case on him before BH did, I WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO TALK ABOUT BH. How is that a sheep vote? You can go ahead and lynch yourself now. Its irrelevant stop getting tied up in things that dont matter. But ofc your gonna keep nitpicking because my case makes sense you and BH were the pushing factor to BBytes mislynch because he saw that you were scum Veli | ||
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You saw it as a threat you feared he would pursue So you killed him. And now you think im a threat and you go after me. Is that why you killed EB because you were afraid he would take away your power over the town Tell me this lets say your town (lol) Do you think that Veli has a possiblity to be scum. He has followed you pretty consistently. And is always on your side. And doesn't give much of his own opinion or much content | ||
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You know before i called you out Look at me im Blazinghand i use fonts and different text to make my point instead of analyze | ||
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VELINATH AND BLAZINGHAND ARE MAFIA There ya go :D | ||
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On December 08 2011 03:58 Blazinghand wrote: Ah yes, respond to me catching you in a lie with a question. Dodge my question as well. Well, I'll answer your question: when I said "we all failed", believe it or not, "we all" includes me. I was sharing responsibility, not abdicating it. I was fighting sheeping. and I still am. So, answer me. DO YOU THINK I AM MAFIA? Say it straight out. I want you to be accountable for your opinion. No dude ill say it again you didn't fail you succeeded into getting the town to do a mislynch Blazinghand you succeeded in getting the majority for follow you furthering your mafia agenda. Congrats | ||
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On December 08 2011 04:07 Blazinghand wrote: Well, that only took about 10 years. I think I somehow missed your well-reasoned case on me. Could you link me to it? Go read the thread. Lazy ;p | ||
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Sorry i have been a bit inactive recently. Another mislynch sad state for town | ||
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