EPTSo why'd you vote me then? Also why'd you lie in your case to try and get a townie lynched? Scum.
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So why'd you vote me then? Also why'd you lie in your case to try and get a townie lynched? Scum. | ||
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On December 08 2011 01:09 Velinath wrote: So why'd you vote me then? Also why'd you lie in your case to try and get a townie lynched? Scum. Oh I see what you're saying. Why am I not following you then? I'm going after my accuser (and good job with that last post dodging my questions from before). | ||
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And he gets tagged team by the duo of Veli and BH. He tries to post to defend himself. Tries to show that what he did wasn't scummy. He posted his reads more then some of the people in this thread. After he knows that he is gonna get lynched he posts this. He MIGHT have pulled off more reads than Hassybaby but that's about it. I didn't tagteam him after that post, the lynch was essentially locked in at that point and I stated that lurking was antitown. He posted a case on Veli and was soon voted for by BH and ofc Veli followed like he always does. The reason that adam got off the hook was because he did not continue pursuing BH and Veli. I voted BByte before BH did, this is just s straight up lie and he should be lynched for this alone. The reason that adam got off the hook was because he did not continue pursuing BH and Veli. I defended Adam in an earlier post, check your facts Veli follows like he always does. With no real content of his own. The funniest part is that he even states im not his strongest scum read. "like he always does" - that's why I voted BByte before BH started a wagon on him. that's why I defended Adam when he was getting a bunch of votes. Pathetic. Lynch the liar. | ||
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On December 08 2011 01:30 Tunkeg wrote: This is not lynch all liars. Lynch all liars are confirmed liars. People who have roleclaimed and then the role dies are confimed liars. Remember this before going any further, because else all your arguements become useless. Sorry, I overstepped a little. It's not a policy lynch but the fact stands that he lied in his case against me. | ||
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On December 08 2011 01:55 BroodKingEXE wrote: Velinath, You need to include the whole quote the context that these quotes are in could be very different from the quote itself Here is an example: "All cows are green" Whole Quotes: "All cows are green in my imagination stories" Go read Jay's post and tell me if I left out any context that detracts from my point. I would say that no, I did not, especially coupled with my previous posts on the subject. | ||
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On December 08 2011 02:00 jaybrundage wrote: Veli tell me this do you usually follow BH's lead. Why did you vote for me if you said you best scum read was hassybaby. oh wait BH voted for me no wonder. If you can honestly say you have not been adhering to most of BH's decisions ill hang my self I voted for you because you're also a strong scumread for me for reasons stated previously and are confirmed scum to me at this point. You're also the one actively misleading town thus more important to lynch. | ||
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You can go ahead and lynch yourself now. | ||
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On December 08 2011 02:12 Velinath wrote: @jaybrundage Had to move my computer. Answer: YOU'RE NOT LISTENING. I voted BByte before BH did, I was building my case on him before BH did, I WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO TALK ABOUT BH. How is that a sheep vote? You can go ahead and lynch yourself now. Well, if you could. Which youcan't. Which means your last post was more evidence of you being terrible because you're making deals you can't keep. | ||
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On December 08 2011 04:57 xtfftc wrote: BH and Velinath, I think you should take a step back from Jay. You've made a very extensive case on him and the last few pages have turned into a farce with all the shouting. Unless you come up with something good to add, it might be better if you encourage other people to post their views on the issue or get another discussion going. Noted, and as per my last post I am switching focus once I have the time to do a full case writeup tonigth | ||
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My proposed scumteam: Hassybaby/Bluelightz, BroodKingEXE, jaybrundage BKEXE: I'm hoping to get my other two cases up by the end of Day 2, but it's kind of dependent on some stuff. Currently working on a term paper that's eating my life. My premise here is that BKEXE has consistently generated content-low posts with a few key missteps that have led me to conclude that he is scum. I've gone over his filter again and don't see anything that supports another conclusion. His first three or four posts are all composed of filler and inconsistency: On December 04 2011 13:11 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey guys! Great to be joining. I think that when we vote we should make sure people did not mispeak. I think that we all need to figure out what we want to do as a group. What do you think? Two obvious points. We should not be lynching over misspeech (as opposed to lying) - and we need to make a majority decision (self-apparent from how the game works). On December 04 2011 14:36 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey Blazinghand sorry if I came around to be a little shady. I was just trying to feed into the conversation, about the voting. How do we want to plan the lynching with the time zone difference? I feel like this will be a major roadblock as it will be 12 AM for our friends in the UK. As for my earlier comment I just wanted to say hi. Did not mean to get off on the wrong foot Not really much to say here. Time zones might be a problem, but he completely dodges the question I asked him about policy right after his first post. On December 04 2011 14:51 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey guys, Well I think that Lynching any inconsistent comments is definitely a good idea. We need to be sure that any information we are getting is consistent and to keep the amount of strategies that the mob could be using low. As for the lurkers I agree that when in doubt we should vote for the lurkers. The information that they have could be useful or they could just be neglecting to play the game, which means they should not be playing at all. After a little more prodding, he says this. This is, again, pretty self evident, but I find it interesting that he says "lynching any inconsistent comments is a good idea" here, and "we should make sure people did not mispeak" earlier. Two different things - and the second is far more beneficial to scum. On December 04 2011 15:10 BroodKingEXE wrote: Velinath, I said to check for inconsistent statements and you did. The fact that I said to check for mistakes in their inconsistent statements still stands though, as you point out through asking me about my inconsistent comment. I asked him which one he meant and he came back with this...which doesn't make any sense to me, STILL. (skipping 2 worthless filler posts, one of which is just a confirmation that Jay is soft-defending him for being new) On December 05 2011 07:06 BroodKingEXE wrote: For all of you who are getting a bad read on me, I want to confirm that I am a newbie. While I respect that Blazinghand has been pusing to prevent lurkers my reponses were obivouisly to defend myself. I feel that it is still a strategy that will work to get reads on the mafia, even if it has put me in the red. In the early stages of the game I feel that there is no way I would be able to get any proper reads as a newbie, but right now I am leaning to: Mafia: Adam - his critism of Blazinghand's style comes right after a compliment showing that he is defininetly trying to kiss up to him. Hassy - he also critized Blazinghand's style in that he accuses him of targeting people early. His votes were clearly for getting people to talk, not at all to decide who to lynch. Townies: Blazing - has been contributing to the discussion and trying to get others to talk. Velinath - I am kind of borderline on this as he has been contributing, but he seems to be following Blazing as opposed to creating comments of his own. Turnkeg - I think he has been pressuring a little, trying to get a read,but I will go for townie. Grackoroni - I will put him here because in one of his comments he left his own name on Turneg's read list and did not comment. I feel like this would have been something that he could have used to push his case. As for the rest I feel like I have not got enough infomation. I am going to be off for the next few hours as I have a project due, but I will be sure to take a break to put my vote in. "I'm a newbie and here are some of my reads. And I'm a newbie." Hammer that point home, BKEXE! Plus this post sounds way different in tone than his previous ones. NOW, THAT SAID: this could be because he took some time to think about this one, so I won't read too much into that point. On December 05 2011 09:36 BroodKingEXE wrote: Venilath You have good reason to be suspicious of me changing my tone, but BH's style forced me to be hastily defensive in the first few posts I made. These posts put me in even more trouble, so I am focusing more on well thought out posts. You can read in to the first posts all you want, but they are defininetly not an accurate representation of the mob. If I were really in the mob, even as a newbie, do you think I would really be that hasty in my posts not bothering to think of the repurcussions? "blah blah WIFOM blah blah I'm a newbie, also more WIFOM" (Skipping two filler posts one of which is an EMPTY VOTE WITH NO REASONING). Also, at this point I'd like to note that he still hasn't put in too much input on anyone else's reads or anything to that nature. On December 05 2011 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote: You mention that you are a newbie, yet you have read up on other games before this one. Well not everyone does that, so this is truly the first game I have experienced. After my posts I took a step back and looked at them and I saw that they were terribly thought out. In the heat of the moment a newbie would obviously falter. "I'm a newbie! Again!" We get it...but I don't buy the reasoning. On December 05 2011 10:21 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hassy if you need evidence read this: Alright, some reasoning. Unfortunately, I feel like that first red sentence (which is BKEXE's insertion into the paragraph, explaining reasoning) is just straight up bad - and the second one isn't much better. The first - well, I mean...it's just one vote, BH was still the most active voter, I don't see a problem here. Adam said his piece and it's not really taken away from by a difference of one vote, when BH had already voted so many times. The second, BKEXE misread and thought that Adam meant that BH wasn't an active town figure when Adam was actually talking about xkskc. Ends up being shaky reasoning. On December 05 2011 11:17 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey BH what is up with this? You neglected to mention this fact until after EB refused to vote. Are you holding back any other pieces of information? More misinterpretation that only serves to cast false (by the reasoning he uses, anyway) aspersions on another player. He notes that he was wrong in the next couple posts after he gets called out on it. Next post is really long and I don't feel like quoting it, so: reiteration of the same incorrect reasoning on Adam from a few posts ago, with some kind of weird stuff afterwards about how being drunk or sober affects...something. Next post after that is another filler post. On December 07 2011 04:25 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey guys, The concert went great, but I am still worried about what BH said earlier. I have some information, but I feel that if I post it the mob might get a lot more information. I feel like it is important that we be careful what we say, because the mob needs to figure out who knows who the mafia members are. "I have reasoning, but let's not talk about things during the night post." Don't suppress conversation during night, if you die with your reasoning, you can't tell people what you think. (yes, this means that I was slightly suspicious of BH for trying to suppress night talk). Next post is another erads post. It's better than the last one, but he leaves out two people. TWO people. There are three mafia. Maybe a slip, maybe not, who knows? If it is, he left out Tunkeg and jaybrundage. Tunkeg's not one of my scumreads right now, but jay sure as hell is. A couple posts about bandwagons, posting the two reads he forgot about, etc. He says bandwagons are a bad idea. I disagree due to scum being more able to influence more split votes. On December 08 2011 00:57 BroodKingEXE wrote: FUCK!!I just realized that we could have figured out EB was a townie from this post, saving us from lots of trouble. Also he said this quote before saying he was not going to vote. He had already established that he was not going to give details until the morning. BH used this argument against him a little hastily. QUOTE]On December 05 2011 10:50 Blazinghand wrote: He said he's comfortable voting for Hassybaby, but he's obviously not-- he didn't take the 2-3 seconds to type in his vote. He's leading us by the nose. He's hiding behind the excuse of sleep to avoid an explanation, which I might buy. But to avoid slapping down a simple vote? No, this isn't normal. this is anti-town and I will not stand for it. Think about it-- if he's town, his actions don't make sense at all. Why not slap down the vote? If he's mafia his actions make perfect sense. This quote also can be named as non useful as people get angry if you do not put down a vote. In all I feel like we need to have more analysis of the people we are getting scum reads on as a town. I will continue to look over EB's posts to figure out why they killed him. At the moment though I have come up with some hypothetical situations. 1) The mafia is dumb and voted for the player that was rated by the town as the worst townie ever. 2)EB had a read or opinion that the mafia did not like (xtfftc, xsksc, Turnkeg, jay, Velinath) the problem I think here though is that EB's claims were unsubstantiated in the case of jay a player that we already are looking to lynch. He also mentioned following breadcrumbs were a bad idea, so maybe the mafia wants us to follow breadcrumbs. 3)The mafia is just trying to throw us off with this vote. This is the worst case scenario, it means that the mafia felt safe enough to not take out players that they think the town needs to figure them out. This would mean that the majority of our reads are not strong enough or just plain wrong. [/QUOTE] Hi! Let's talk about dead people and why they died, because we can't WIFOM this to death or anything. It's an attempt to get the town caught up in talking about things that are, ultimately, largely irrelevant. On December 08 2011 01:29 BroodKingEXE wrote: I am going to agree with BH on the fact that jay is scum. Looking back over his posts I realize that you have half filler and the other half stuff like this: I call this bussing. He reads initially that "jay is probably a misunderstood townie!" - and then goes to here right after the shitstorm with me, jay, and BH. "Let's hop on the bandwagon before anyone suspects me!" He also manages to say all of this and not vote On December 08 2011 01:55 BroodKingEXE wrote: Velinath, You need to include the whole quote the context that these quotes are in could be very different from the quote itself Here is an example: "All cows are green" Whole Quotes: "All cows are green in my imagination stories" He whines about context (Soft defend the person that he just said was scum), but apparently he missed the part where anything in the post he was referencing was impossible to take out of context and was just straight up lies. Meh. Both of his last two posts are urging everyone to talk about EB's death some more, because obviously talking about WIFOM reasoning gets us places - even after we've explained why it's a bad idea. BKEXE's tried to pass himself off as a newbie using WIFOM reasoning, tried to misdirect attention off of his scumbuddies, and in general has been inconsistent. He posts limited analysis, much of it nonsensical, in an effort to misdirect the town. He's willing to bus his scumbuddy jaybrundage, but unwilling to lay the vote down - and then softdefends him anyway. He insists that we talk ad nauseum about EB's death - an activity that is ultimately pointless due to WIFOM. I only had time for this one tonight, although I think I've made my position on both jaybrundage and Hassybaby clear in past posts. If you'd like me to post more regarding both of them and/or sum up what posts I find particularly scummy, I can do so; otherwise, please refer to ElectricBlack's case as well as my post EARLIER IN THE THREAD referencing the same points on Hassybaby, and refer to the last 5 pages of this thread for scum evidence on jaybrundage. | ||
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On December 08 2011 13:37 Adam4167 wrote: I don't see what you see at all. I see BKEXE quote BH's book that he wrote on jay, ramble on about policy (a bit late in the piece for this really..), then dump his vote on jay after calling him an idiot. Oh and don't forget declaring how new he is... again. Your case on BKEXE was exactly where I was heading with the next day (assuming I survive the night.). It was well done and did a good job of highlighting exactly how BKEXE has been playing thus far, however I am going to highlight something you missed: BKEXE and jay have been defending each other this entire game: Here Here Here Here Here BKEXE's more recent posts aimed at jay are nothing more than distancing because we have shifted focus onto them. It is just a smokescreen, do not buy into this nonsense. Yeah, it's a lot easier to see with the formatting that he added, it looked a lot more like original work in the first post of those 3. Thanks for the supplement. | ||
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I'm not sure if it's really eneded, but I'll justify my vote on jaybrundage now - as I've said before, the suspicions from his posting style after the Night 1 post gave me cause for concern, and coupled with the previous cases on him I felt that he was a better lynch target for today especially given his tendency to be vocal (unlike the largely lurking hassybaby, who was much less likely to misdirect the town). Following my vote, JB scumslipped quite hard against both myself and Blazinghand, and outright lied to try and distract everyone from the evidence against him, thus solidifying my opinion of him as scum. I would also like to point to something that I believe Tunkeg pointed out recently, that jaybrundage and BKEXE (another of my current scum suspects) have been defending each other all game. | ||
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On December 09 2011 04:47 Tunkeg wrote: It wasn't me it was Adam: Thanks Tunk, been a bit in and out and hadn't had time to find the post. | ||
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On December 09 2011 05:48 Blazinghand wrote: So what do you think of BKEXE's largely illegible posts? I initially believed that they were a literal figurative smokescreen to push my analysis off of the front page and make it hard for people to find my summary post. However, they're so poorly formatted it's possible he just couldn't find the preview button. Still, I think he was scum trying to literally cover JB. Good analysis or bad, and why? Two things. First, I don't think he was trying to push your analysis off, as he ended up quoting quite a bit of it. Now, that said, I do think that the content itself (after finally being able to tell what part of his post was actually his) was extremely lacking. It feels in keeping with his other recent posts - as a weak attempt to bus JB to fit in with the town. No matter how you slice it, BKEXE feels scummy. | ||
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