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On December 07 2011 11:33 Velinath wrote:
First off, I was roleblocked last night.
Secondly, yes, I agree with this lynch. Scummy posts after Night 1 and the analyses posted? No question. Hassy can be saved for tomorrow.
##Vote: jaybrundage
Why would you claim right now your giving mafia information that we dont want them to have.
And secondly if you dont post a case on me WITH YOUR OWN THOUGHTS we gonna have another mislynch with BH leading it.
You gotta stop sheeping Veli if you wanna give me your case give me YOUR case
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On December 07 2011 11:57 Velinath wrote:
@JB: So you skipped the day post for like half an hour? I find that hard to believe.
It takes me a while to write up a case.
It took me a good hour i think and at the end i wrote about EB.
Weather you believe that or not is up to you i cant prove or unprove that.
Look at my last post before the day post tho thats when i started writing my case. Before i wrote about EB.
But this question has to be asked if i saw the daypost why the hell would i ask EB a question who is now dead? it makes no sense if i was mafia or town. Its just a stupid thing to do. And makes me look suspicious.
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On December 07 2011 12:02 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 11:58 jaybrundage wrote:On December 07 2011 11:33 Velinath wrote:
First off, I was roleblocked last night.
Secondly, yes, I agree with this lynch. Scummy posts after Night 1 and the analyses posted? No question. Hassy can be saved for tomorrow.
##Vote: jaybrundage Why would you claim right now your giving mafia information that we dont want them to have. And secondly if you dont post a case on me WITH YOUR OWN THOUGHTS we gonna have another mislynch with BH leading it. You gotta stop sheeping Veli if you wanna give me your case give me YOUR case Who said anything about claiming? Read the OP, ANYONE is told they get roleblocked if they get targeted by the roleblocker, even if they are a vanilla townie. I am not giving scum ANY information here.
Oh i didn't realize this in mini mafia X i dont think it was like this. Ok thats fine then
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On December 07 2011 12:04 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 12:02 jaybrundage wrote:
But this question has to be asked if i saw the daypost why the hell would i ask EB a question who is now dead? it makes no sense if i was mafia or town. Its just a stupid thing to do. And makes me look suspicious. Ah, so because it was dumb, you must not be mafia? You can't WIFOM your way out of this. You made a gambit to look town and it backfired, bad. Nobody misses the day post. Not even you.
No dude its called Occam's Razor the simplest explanation is the prolly the correct one.
I didn't see EB was dead so i asked him a question. What your are doing is WIFOM. But a dumb one imo.
Call it what you will i didnt see the day post. simple as that
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Lol BH you don't get it. I was on page 26 the entire time typing my response.
While the New day post was on page 30 is it really that hard to understand.
I posted what i had to say about your post for me and then looked over the new posts.
If you dont believe me great i said i cant prove it. You act like this was a scum slip. When i just hadn't seen the day post.
Regardless i want to get more input from people before i start typing a case. Adam is still might have my vote but lets see what new information the new day brings
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Well so after rereading alot.
And going through lots of filters. I have my thoughts on who i think is mafia. Try to have a open mind tho.
So at the start of the game BH has been a leading factor for this game.
Because of this and his very aggressive playstyle people began to follow him.
He the closest you can come to confirmed townie. And because of this people began sheeping to him. One of these people almost to a dot has been Veli.
The first person that noticed this trend was Adam.
On December 05 2011 01:38 Adam4167 wrote:
My thoughts on Blazinghands aggression so far is that I feel he is trying to generate discussion. However, I question whether he is trying too hard to establish himself as a townie by his badgering. This, coupled with his apparent buddy-buddy relationship with Velinath has me keeping a close eye on both of them as I find it strange that they are apparently “BFF’s” after only 12 hours of play. So to directly answer your question, Tunkeg, I find his behaviour suspicious and erring on the side of Anti-town. 5 separate votes in 12 hours is akin to spam and is just leading the town around in circles, rather than focusing on any one target.
You’ve caught my attention Blazinghand, don’t slip =).
Who then got voted for by BH first shortly followed by Veli. I did participate on the vote with adam however i gave my own reasoning. Instead of just hoping on the bandwagon.
Veli has had filler posts the entire game. following BH lead almost the entire game hear are some examples.
On December 04 2011 13:24 Velinath wrote:
EBWOP because you guys post too fast:
Blazinghand, I completely agree with your idea here. If we lack a case on a poster in the thread, lurkers are, regardless of alignment, anti-town, and they should be lynched in preference to a no-lynch.
Given that,
##Vote: Bbite
Let's hear from another nonposter.
On December 04 2011 14:34 Velinath wrote:
Blazinghand, that's a good point. It looks like all of the people who have not posted are probably doing so because of time zones.
As such, I'm dropping my vote (assuming I'm formatting properly!) and will put it back on if one of our four "lurkers" hasn't posted in the next 12-16 hours.
##Unvote: BByte
On December 04 2011 14:42 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 14:20 Blazinghand wrote:I want to hear what you have to say. Don't flop around like you did in your first post. Be a man. Do the right thing. Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 14:36 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey Blazinghand sorry if I came around to be a little shady.
I was just trying to feed into the conversation, about the voting. How do we want to plan the lynching with the time zone difference? I feel like this will be a major roadblock as it will be 12 AM for our friends in the UK.
As for my earlier comment I just wanted to say hi. Did not mean to get off on the wrong foot Hi,
this also feels noncontributive. I feel like what Blazinghand was looking for was more of an opinion on one of the matters we've been discussing in the thread. If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to hear what you have to say about the Lynch All Lurkers policy discussed a couple of pages back. Adding questions but no answers isn't really posting content, at least not in my eyes.
On December 05 2011 03:29 Velinath wrote:Whee, time to copy in my reads. Keeping a spreadsheet is going to be quite helpful, I think. Blazinghand: Feels very Townie to me. Posting reasonable content and post analysis already. Willing to take actions on his stances. Softclaimed Vanilla Townie http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067¤tpage=8#152 Bringing lurkers out, which can ONLY help town. I approve. Call it 90% town. Also, his discussion with ey215 looked good, and convinced me further of his townieness.
On December 05 2011 08:53 Velinath wrote:
On Adam4167:
So far, two posts. I can see why everyone's suspicious of him - he made a mistake in attacking the most vocal (and, in some people's minds, most pro-town) player. That said, I feel like it could be just defensiveness to BH's style. I'll have to wait for more posts, but for now he's just made my watchlist.
Alot of Veli's post where filler and have been following BH in almost everycase.
The other big factor to my case is the mislynch of Bbyte. I do agree that he was lurking a good bit. However what was one of is contribitions. Well lets look back.On December 05 2011 09:20 BByte wrote:My strongest scum read so far is Velinath. He has been active (very much so actually), but what has he contributed? Some policy discussion, a bit of finger pointing (mostly to spark activity), some fluff. Mostly he has been following other people's ideas, not making his own calls. All of this is something scum could easily do with very little risk.Then there are a couple of posts of light analysis. His "reads post" sums it up best: + Show Spoiler +On December 05 2011 03:29 Velinath wrote:Whee, time to copy in my reads. Keeping a spreadsheet is going to be quite helpful, I think. Blazinghand: Feels very Townie to me. Posting reasonable content and post analysis already. Willing to take actions on his stances. Softclaimed Vanilla Townie http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067¤tpage=8#152 Bringing lurkers out, which can ONLY help town. I approve. Call it 90% town. Also, his discussion with ey215 looked good, and convinced me further of his townieness. BroodKingEXE: Empty post. Worries me.Feels scummy but could be a noob. Amend: Six posts that don't sit right with me, but again, could be new player. xkskc: Leaning town for now. Started our policy discussion. Discussion is good. While he disagrees with BH's methods, I clearly feel like he's playing a townie game right now. Different methodolgy, same goal. To note, he pointed out that there may be mafia in the group leadership., which should be something to keep in mind. Question is whether it's sowing suspicion or genuine pro-town, and I haven't figured that out yet. xtfftc: Null read. He argued against LAL and LALurkers, and I don't wanna go with that. Let's look again once he posts again. (Amend: Looked through his filter to update this post, and I really liked his post here. Still a null read, but this feels positive to me.) ey215: Pointed out some good things. He sees Blazinghand's methods as creating tension within the town, and that's fine - he's entitled to opinion. Like xkskc, he disagrees with methods but seems to be working towards the same goal. Their discussion, while heated, really brought out to me that they both seem very town-aligned, and willing to take positions and defend them. EB: Makes good points. At this point I'm leaning town, simply because he's pro-discussion this early. That said I'd love to see more posts here. Tunkeg: Posted his reads, and is encouraging discussion. I think this is a good thing, and might peg him as one of the influential voices in the town soon. Largely a null read, but I'm starting to lean town. BByte: I'm not totally impressed yet. One post about breadcrumbs (which is more about the game in general than a content post) and one post about a couple of the players. That post was good, and I agree that we shouldn't be intimidated by one person, but I'd like to see more. jaybrundage: Neutral for now, but a lack of content disturbs me. We've still got like 30 hours though. Adam4167: Two posts, neither of which hugely impress me. I liked how he went through and stated a clear opinion on BH's play. While I disagree with his opinion, I think that the way he put things is pro-town in that post. I'd love to see more content here, but so far looks pretty good. Hassybaby: Disagrees with early targets, and I can see why. I think he is overly defensive towards Tunkeg - not an OMGUS vote, but definitely that kind of idea. Not sure what to think, but this early just a null read. Grackaroni: Posted reads, but before that there's a bunch of policy posts. Not that I haven't made a ton of policy posts too, but I'll wait for more content. Null read.
On December 06 2011 09:18 BByte wrote:Okay, back home and (re-)reading the thread. Boy did I pick up a bad day to be AFK. First note: There's a reason a day lasts 48 hours. The first vote on me was made 9 hours ago, roughly 10 hours before the lynch deadline. Second note: I stand by my earlier statement: There are no real lurkers in this game. Instead of voting based on activity, I'd prefer a vote based on the actual content of the posts. For the people who are voting me: In case there are any specific questions that you'd like for me to answer, please post them and I'll give what answers I can. Whether my answers will be enough to convince you to vote someone else is up to you. Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 00:31 Velinath wrote:Alright, that's fair Grack - but let's look at BByte. He posts once a few times 17 hours ago, comes back 8 hours ago to post one thing. He states in the thread that he'd post thoughts if needed, but he hasn't done that - a couple sentences here or there. I did however state that I'd be extremely busy with work today. It's only 9 hours since the first vote on me. That's not really enough time to expect someone to be able to answer. Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 03:35 Blazinghand wrote:
As you can see, he's got a vote on velinath, and hasn't made a serious argument. Velinath's arguments on his scumlist might have been vague, but since then, velinath has made a liberal outpouring of posts and BByte remains silent. I don't know who's mafia, but I know we need more commitment than that out of our townies, and BByte's soft case and small vote count make it seem like he's hiding something. How exactly is my vote suspicious? I posted my read (which was against pretty much everyone else, is that mafia behavior?) and I perhaps didn't articulate my case as well as I should have, but what am I hiding? For my activity see above and my previous posts. I also find weird from a quick skim through the posts since the last I've read the thread that no one has actually even commented on the actual content of my accusation on Velinath. What do people think about his posting, especially up to the point I accused him? Was / am I sure he's scum? No, but at least my vote was based on a read instead of a non-read. The post I made about the case was perhaps "half-assed" in hindsight. I did spend a lot of time reading and analyzing, but not enough time in forming my case to a coherent post. Also I didn't use nearly enough quotes.
And he gets tagged team by the duo of Veli and BH. He tries to post to defend himself. Tries to show that what he did wasn't scummy. He posted his reads more then some of the people in this thread. After he knows that he is gonna get lynched he posts this.
On December 06 2011 09:59 BByte wrote:
Okay, so it seems I'm about to be lynched. Unfortunately I was pretty much MIA today, and wasn't able to respond to the case (or lack thereof) made against me.
I've tried to post honestly and openly. What I've said so far I still think is pro-town. Apart from that, I'd like the town to note two additional people:
Blazinghand: He has been very active and vocal so far. That paints him as town. However, he could have made all the posts nearly as easily if he were scum. To the townies: Please hold him up to the high standard he has presented so far. He still might be scum, just well hidden in plain sight. He was also the second guy to vote for my lynch.
xtfftc: Some scum vibes off him, not enough time to post an actual case.
He posted a case on Veli and was soon voted for by BH and ofc Veli followed like he always does. The reason that adam got off the hook was because he did not continue pursuing BH and Veli.
Also remember the sharade that happened with EB. He was going to post a reason why hassybaby was a lynch candadite and did not want to put his vote in because he did not have time to write it up ( he did not say this at the time) But BH could not stand someone stand up to him. He went out and called him anti town and wanted everyone to vote him. This is one part
On December 05 2011 11:01 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:58 ElectricBlack wrote:On December 05 2011 10:50 Blazinghand wrote:On December 05 2011 10:47 Velinath wrote:On December 05 2011 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:On December 05 2011 10:42 Blazinghand wrote:On December 05 2011 10:40 ElectricBlack wrote:
I'd be much more comfortable lynching Hassybaby than any of the current candidates. I need to go to sleep now (it's well past midnight over here), I'll give details as for why this is in the morning. No. Vote. Don't wait, don't delay-- it's anti-town to do so. Cast your vote, even if you don't have time to explain. Actually, this delay is more anti-town than Adam's amazing inactivity. It's anti-worthful, rather than just worthless. ##Vote ElectricBlackVote or die. I disagree with this. He's made a stance, and he'll post information when he has time. I'm okay with that. If he doesn't post his reasoning, then I'll be concerned, but for now I'm willing to wait for that. My point is that he has said who he'd be comfortable voting for. He said he's comfortable voting for Hassybaby, but he's obviously not-- he didn't take the 2-3 seconds to type in his vote. He's leading us by the nose. He's hiding behind the excuse of sleep to avoid an explanation, which I might buy. But to avoid slapping down a simple vote? No, this isn't normal. this is anti-town and I will not stand for it. Think about it-- if he's town, his actions don't make sense at all. Why not slap down the vote? If he's mafia his actions make perfect sense. Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you. I will vote in my own time when I can explain in detail why and how I came to the conclusion. In addition I still have a few people to read up on and form an opinion on, so I might not even end up voting Hassybaby when it comes to it. Ladies and gentlemen, case closed. EB's just trying to spite me? Trying to spite THE TOWN? We need him out. He's worse than a lurker.
Look how it went for trying to spite BH to spiting the town. EB was not spiting the town he was doing it because BH was being pushy and a bully and he would not stand for it.
So after Bbyte mislynch he posts this little gem.
On December 07 2011 09:33 Blazinghand wrote:
FYI it's also everyone's fault the lynch went the wrong way, since we all failed to capture a majority. I'm just saying that if you have a solid read, you have a BIG responsibility to convince the rest of us. ESPECIALLY if you're right.
Also, most towns mislynch on the first day.
He tries to take all of the blame off himself.
He states its everyones fault the lynch went wrong today
AND I QUOTE since WE all failed to capture a majority
He REFUSES to take responsibility for HIS mislynch. He even has the audacity to blame the town. and then ends it with most towns mislynch first day.
He tries to throw a pitiful bandaid on it
And then when i call him out on it.
On December 07 2011 09:49 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 09:33 Blazinghand wrote:
FYI it's also everyone's fault the lynch went the wrong way, since we all failed to capture a majority. I'm just saying that if you have a solid read, you have a BIG responsibility to convince the rest of us. ESPECIALLY if you're right.
Also, most towns mislynch on the first day. Im going to write my post up on what i think went on this night. Sorry for being a bit inactive. I saw BH post about no posting and then was really busy so i didnt get around till now. But BH honestly i find this statement really suspicious. But BH you Succeded to capture the majority. You made the case against Bbyte and your case garnered the majority. It almost seems like your trying to take the chunk of responsibility off your back. I put down what i thought about adam. And said why i didnt like BBytes case. Im going back to make my posts about what else happened tonight. As well as response to your nice post about me. Thank you for that btw :D
He comes back at me with this
On December 07 2011 10:13 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 09:49 jaybrundage wrote:On December 07 2011 09:33 Blazinghand wrote:
FYI it's also everyone's fault the lynch went the wrong way, since we all failed to capture a majority. I'm just saying that if you have a solid read, you have a BIG responsibility to convince the rest of us. ESPECIALLY if you're right.
Also, most towns mislynch on the first day. Im going to write my post up on what i think went on this night. Sorry for being a bit inactive. I saw BH post about no posting and then was really busy so i didnt get around till now. But BH honestly i find this statement really suspicious. But BH you Succeded to capture the majority. You made the case against Bbyte and your case garnered the majority. It almost seems like your trying to take the chunk of responsibility off your back. I put down what i thought about adam. And said why i didnt like BBytes case. Im going back to make my posts about what else happened tonight. As well as response to your nice post about me. Thank you for that btw :D what the dicks is this
scum scum scum
Thats the most cohherent response he has? Really?
What the dicks is this
Wow.
Also as a side note. After BH posts his case on me ofc Veli follows like he always does. With no real content of his own.
The funniest part is that he even states im not his strongest scum read. But he follows BH like he always does.
On December 07 2011 12:37 Velinath wrote:
Hi Blazing. My best scumread is still Hassybaby right now, as per my comment from the middle of Day 1 (after EB posted that he would post a case the next morning) and later, EB's case that went through the points I made as well as additional points. That said, I'm reluctant to push him as a lynch target until he gets replaced and his replacement shows up - or he comes back from AFK, one of the two.
This is my case I would suggest everyone go back and reread with this is mind and look at how Bbyte was Mislynched.
Thank you for your time I would be open to vote for either as i think there both scum Veli or BH
For now im voting for Veli because thats who BByte wanted to lynch and he ended up getting mislynched.
##Vote Velinath
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On December 08 2011 01:04 Velinath wrote:
Oh, and because it seems to be the popular thing to do:
@jaybrundage Come at me, bro.
Still Following BH LOL
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Tunkeg i would like your input on my case against Veli and BH
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In response to Grack I wouldn't go so far as defend Bbyte because i did not know for sure he was town.
I did think it was wierd that the only thing he does is goes against Veli a seemingly protown person.
And he got lynched for it. I did not think a mafia would post something like that because Veli was look good atm.
And i was srs i did want Bbyte to defend himself didn't everybody i dont want to see lynches on lurkers that is not fun at all.
I wanted to get content and discussion going on.
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Veli tell me this do you usually follow BH's lead.
Why did you vote for me if you said you best scum read was hassybaby. oh wait BH voted for me no wonder.
If you can honestly say you have not been adhering to most of BH's decisions ill hang my self
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On December 07 2011 10:13 Blazinghand wrote:AND THIS IS MEANINGLESS. COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS
Lol how did you figure that out.
Me saying Fuck
And i thought there was so much content in that fuck. Lol the more i reread the thread the funnier your case against me looks
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On December 08 2011 02:12 Velinath wrote:
@jaybrundage Had to move my computer. Answer: YOU'RE NOT LISTENING. I voted BByte before BH did, I was building my case on him before BH did, I WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO TALK ABOUT BH. How is that a sheep vote?
You can go ahead and lynch yourself now.
Its irrelevant stop getting tied up in things that dont matter. But ofc your gonna keep nitpicking because my case makes sense
you and BH were the pushing factor to BBytes mislynch because he saw that you were scum Veli
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Alright tunkeg are you still going to go for xsksc then for mafia?
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I think that you lynched Bbyte because he made a case against Veli.
You saw it as a threat you feared he would pursue
So you killed him.
And now you think im a threat and you go after me.
Is that why you killed EB because you were afraid he would take away your power over the town
Tell me this lets say your town (lol)
Do you think that Veli has a possiblity to be scum.
He has followed you pretty consistently.
And is always on your side.
And doesn't give much of his own opinion or much content
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Why do you say bad for the game? And how could it be a big tell?
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LOl question then why didn't you claim responsibility before instead of blaming the town.
You know before i called you out
Look at me im Blazinghand i use fonts and different text to make my point instead of analyze
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I think you and Veli are mafia. Lol oh wait im hedging again oppsies
VELINATH AND BLAZINGHAND ARE MAFIA
There ya go :D
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On December 08 2011 03:58 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 03:55 jaybrundage wrote:
LOl question then why didn't you claim responsibility before instead of blaming the town.
You know before i called you out
Look at me im Blazinghand i use fonts and different text to make my point instead of analyze Ah yes, respond to me catching you in a lie with a question. Dodge my question as well. Well, I'll answer your question: when I said "we all failed", believe it or not, "we all" includes me. I was sharing responsibility, not abdicating it. I was fighting sheeping. and I still am. So, answer me. DO YOU THINK I AM MAFIA? Say it straight out. I want you to be accountable for your opinion.
No dude ill say it again you didn't fail you succeeded into getting the town to do a mislynch
Blazinghand you succeeded in getting the majority for follow you furthering your mafia agenda. Congrats
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On December 08 2011 04:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, that only took about 10 years. I think I somehow missed your well-reasoned case on me. Could you link me to it?
Go read the thread. Lazy ;p
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