EPTYou keep falling back to the idea that I somehow lied and that I'm making a mess in the thread or that "chaoser would never post like this". How can that even be a logical statement given the fact that you're not me and thus have no idea what I would or would not post? You've either fallen so far down the tunnel that you're blinded to the situation around you or you're pushing a lynch you know is shitty with bad logic.
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
You keep falling back to the idea that I somehow lied and that I'm making a mess in the thread or that "chaoser would never post like this". How can that even be a logical statement given the fact that you're not me and thus have no idea what I would or would not post? You've either fallen so far down the tunnel that you're blinded to the situation around you or you're pushing a lynch you know is shitty with bad logic. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On November 18 2011 00:04 chaoser wrote: Yo palmer, why did you think kenpachi was a better lynch for a lurker lynch over sinani? Do you think sinani would be better to bring into day two than kenpachi was given the fact that kenpachi 1) Wasn't lurking anymore 2) A complex situation arose for him and not enough time was given to discuss it before he was hammered Also, what are you thoughts on hiroruby, who has voted twice, pushed none of them, made wishy-washy statements about how to implement LAL policy and has since disappeared? As you may have noticed my vote wasn't on Kenpachi until the Kenpachi/Lanaia situation, after which I wanted to lynch them both until risk.nuke/Tyrren convinced me otherwise. I frankly haven't paid any attention to the idea of a lurker lynch, I know that it came up, but I felt it didn't concern me much, at least not at this point in the game. I haven't read hiroruby's filter, Tyrren seems to think he's scum, I might have to go back and read him. I still don't think you have provided a satisfactory explanation to your early game shenanigans, so I think we should lynch you. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On November 18 2011 00:12 chaoser wrote: Not to mention, given the fact that, even though you say I'm somehow causing a ruckus in the thread, it's not actually a mess where everyone is accusing everything. The focus is clearly on me and the people who are pushing the lynch on me. So how is that a mess again? I've seen messy towns and this ain't one of them. You keep falling back to the idea that I somehow lied and that I'm making a mess in the thread or that "chaoser would never post like this". How can that even be a logical statement given the fact that you're not me and thus have no idea what I would or would not post? You've either fallen so far down the tunnel that you're blinded to the situation around you or you're pushing a lynch you know is shitty with bad logic. It's not bad logic. What's bad logic is the fact that you actually think your early posts are justifiable. I'm not complaining about the thread being mess, you're putting words in my mouth. I actually think the thread is relatively productive. I have no problem with people voting for multiple targets, notice that I myself have voted for several different people. It's the manner in which the votes are presented that irks me. You are someone I believe to be good at mafia, and I also believe you understand how to play as town, probably better than most people in this game. So are you surprised that when you do something we both know is not good play, that I feel something is up? And yes, my train of thought regarding you being guilty is pretty clear. I do not believe that you think the appropriate way to start playing as vanilla town in a game like this is to throw votes randomly without applying any kind of pressure with those votes. Obviously I am not you, and obviously I am tunneled in on you. And I will remain so until I have a satisfactory explanation of your early game. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
And that I was all over the place when really I was going after people who were defending each other in a line to get reactions and discussion going? I voted forumite first due to his dubious case against LSB which made no damn sense. (He tried to tie LSB's unwillingness to lynch Kenpachi to the idea that somehow LSB was "lying" since he supported LAL and somehow he knew Kenpachi lied.) Nisani even brings this up with: Ummm... what? I'm sure you know this. Kenpachi's townie claim means nothing. It never means anything. He does it every single game. LSB ignoring it does not imply contradiction; it implies common sense. And your FoS on him is incredibly scummy. DCLXVI then posts a case for his vote on kenpachi and then votes him. At which point I vote DCLXVI since at this point anyone who votes kenpachi in my mind is scummy as fuck. Add in the fact that he tries to make it seem like Kibibit is making contridictions when he's not (he merely said that while lynching liars is good, a nuanced approach should be taken with it if the situation is complex) I'm semi-okay with LAL, but there's always the possibility of a newbie getting an important decision and fucking up, so I'd prefer that we at least pressure any liars before we get our nooses out on them. Yeah, but what I mean is that not everyone intends to lie. If it's blatant and obvious, I say lynch them immediately, I'm just saying not to overreact to any inconsistencies or the like. I vote DCLXVI to see what reactions I get. I finally get a reaction that I like from Zephirdd which I perceive as an overreaction and chainsaw defense on my forumite vote: Then you go on trying to create a bandwagon over Forumite with nearly no arguments. Forumite at least have a point, and you just go "Scum" over him. What's with that? Despite the one post where you claim that something like a bold lie like claiming DT is beneficial, you don't post anything useful for this. Forumite DIDN'T have a point and I HADN'T created a bandwagon given that I was the only one voting for him at the time with a purposefully incomplete case. And then he posts this awesome post: And when someone posts actual arguments and analysis, you just instantly vote over him like you did. It looks like you are just trying to attract attention to yourself, and it very well is working; "attracting attention" that would be used in reality as a cover: You go out loud with zero arguments, and people stop caring about you. Somehow gaining attention=People stop caring about you. So why the fuck wouldn't I vote for this guy who not only just overreacted to my vote on forumite but also is making no sense? So as you can see, I don't see anywhere what you would call rampant random messy voting. It all served a purpose and in the end generated tons of discussion. My main conclusion still stands that the majority of the mafia did not vote for kenpachi and is probably not voting for me. I am not so sure about you though palmer given the fact that you've carried this, in my opinion, ridiculous case against me for so long. Not to mention the knee-jerk reaction that seems you went for as soon as the kenpachi/Lanaia thing went down. Frankly I'm surprised everyone voted for them at that point given how kenpachi was clearly town and lanaia's actions are a null tell at the worst and a townie tell at the most. Cause seriously, how can you tell she's mafia from an anti-vote? It seems like she made a mistake in terms of knowing what her action's effect on the town would be (as did my partner in Team melee when he proposed an awful plan day one) more than she was stupid as mafia and didn't know how her ability worked (you really think mafia would make a mistake like that given that they have a team and also Lanaia is new enough that she'd consult the team for most anything before making a move?). I played with her in Insane Mafia 2 and I know she'd also consult first. Frankly, I'm pretty sure if I hadn't done anything we'd still be stuck discussing LAL right about now and how oh this guy said he's never played before but then said he's played a mini before, let's lynch him! Or oh, this guy said he's afraid of the mob but how he doesn't know terms in mafia but he's played before so let's lynch him! | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On November 17 2011 05:33 chaoser wrote: Should ask yourself first. Why would mafia want undeserved attention? And what does mafia gain from saying they're townie outright in thread? What does a townie gain from claiming townie outright in the thread just as the game starts? Ask yourself why are people saying the main reason they want to vote me/kenpachi for saying we're townie when it's a null tell? I don't mind getting lynched, but I'd rather kenpachi doesn't. He's pretty underrated. Sinani is a way better lynch. Mafia could use undeserved attention early to make a role call later in the game, but I see what you're saying. You're obviously lying about your role. First you said you're vanilla town, and then you role call doctor. I think you're full of shit, but you've already said you're not going to support lynching all liars, so I should expect you to lie. Sinani is a better lynch, and here is my reasoning. I believe Lanaia is a varient on the double voter and made a mistake using her anti-vote, anybody who is pressing a lynch on her should be a good suspect, as it is a bad idea for the town to take her out of the game. I'm going to re-read the thread a few more times before I make any votes. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
You might not know but WBG and I have a history with each other. So I was force to defend myself and talk to him as well, to see where this line of conversation would go. Then this big witch hunt goes down to vote for me and Kenpachi when frankly sinani was a way better lynch. Through it I figured that the people who are currently voting for me are probably mostly townie and that the mafia is just going to pick up the pieces after I and kenpachi flip green and say "*list of people who voted them* there's at least two or more mafia in here!" and laugh their way to the end game while people try to lynch each other. This happens all the time and the latest example I can think of is in LOTR. (you still haven't answer my question regaring if you think sinani is a better lynch than kenpachi during this any time in this whole day btw) | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
And that's where we are right now. | ||
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
Palmer: same question. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On November 18 2011 01:04 Tyrran wrote: Chaoser: what is your stand on hiroruby ? Palmer: same question. ??? If you read my filter I clearly think he's the best lynch for today | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On November 17 2011 22:13 xsksc wrote: I was asleep while all that shit went down last night  I can't help it man, when I'm on nothing happens. I posted my analysis a couple of hours ago and not much has happened since then. What are your current reads forumite? Still think think I'm newbie scum based on my hello post? Cause honestly, that was a pretty silly case. Yeah, I don´t think you are scum, I still want you active in the game. The original case was a gamble, scum have been caught by things like that. It didn´t work now, but I also have your word that you are going to contribute despite being a new player, so it´s still a win!  I´m agreeing with Palmar, we need another lynch, ONE by the way, not 5. I don´t want Chaoser or Lalala lynched. I have to run now, but will be back several hours before the lynch. | ||
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hyshes
Belgium428 Posts
On November 18 2011 01:28 Forumite wrote: Yeah, I don´t think you are scum, I still want you active in the game. The original case was a gamble, scum have been caught by things like that. It didn´t work now, but I also have your word that you are going to contribute despite being a new player, so it´s still a win! I´m agreeing with Palmar, we need another lynch, ONE by the way, not 5. I don´t want Chaoser or Lalala lynched. I have to run now, but will be back several hours before the lynch. Than who would you suggest? | ||
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hyshes
Belgium428 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On November 18 2011 00:42 chaoser wrote: So you're saying that I, as mafia, decided the best way to play this game was to scream as loudly as possible to generate discussion in the beginning of the game to gain attention from everyone so that I could cause some sort of panic (which didn't happen, who here in thread actually thinks the thread is in a panic or mess? Everybody stop, right there. Read Chaosers filter. Does it look like he's trying to 'scream loudly'? If you ask me, you tried to ninja votes and got caught, then spent most of the game defending himself. | ||
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hyshes
Belgium428 Posts
On November 17 2011 19:53 Tyrran wrote: * Hyshes : With this in mind, the fact that he jumped extremely quickly on the Lanaia bandwagon with the only excuse "only scum would defend a lurker" is extremelly scummy. Not only that, but while this statement suggest that Kenpachi is also scum, he did not vote for him, focusing only on Lanaia. This is very suspect. Note that he later 'said' that it would be weird if Lanaia did this as scum, but did not remove his vote! bold text: no it does not.. lurkers are good for scum. Scum defending a lurker doesn't mean the lurker is scum. italic text: I did not say that. I said: You make a good point about lanaia. If she knew it would be public, it would be very weird that she did it as scum. This does not imply what you say. It would be weird if lanaia did this as scum knowing we would see the vote.. We can't be sure if she knew. btw, i don't want it to go like yesterday so: ##Unvote: chaoser | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On November 18 2011 01:35 hyshes wrote: oh god.. it could be i meant "then" i actually don't know which is right.. than or then? im a native speaker and still havent figured that one out bro. | ||
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hyshes
Belgium428 Posts
On November 18 2011 01:48 Sabin010 wrote: im a native speaker and still havent figured that one out bro. No you're not :p you're american | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
Seriously, why aren't more people voting for him? ##Vote: Drazerk | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On November 18 2011 01:58 Nisani201 wrote: I just read through Drazerk's filter. He has been jumping on bandwagons and supporting bad lynches this whole game. Seriously, why aren't more people voting for him? ##Vote: Drazerk Probably because I am not scum and will never be lynched even if they try | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + It's "then" in this case Funny how sometimes it's better to not be a native speaker, because once translated then makes sense, but not than. | ||
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