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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 09:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
Actually kita, your logic fails on the account that you automatically know ALL the parity possibilities.
You know that GM+nipple are opposite parities as well, so you might as well focus on them instead of myself+S&G.
Correct, but how does that break the logic?
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Breaks the logic because you focus on the dichotomy between myself and S&G and you completely ignored GM.
You get your parity check back and nothing about GM changes. The parity check tells you nothing about GM.
EDIT:
In fact, think about any possible parity check you could've received in that situation. In every single situation, the parity check will tell you absolutely nothing about GM's alignment. (that is, excluding your first check being dead and your second check being GM)
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kitaman27
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I'm not basing GM's alignment off a parity check. I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying.
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GM's medic claim might have been a much better idea had mafia not had a rolecop.
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On November 10 2011 09:38 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote:
You're in LYLO. Someone claims medic. The real medic dies. He has an alibi that can't help you determine his alignment. Why are you taking anything he says as true at this point for sure? I disagree. Suppose GM is scum and claims medic. There are two possibilities: 1) There is a real medic, who is not shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. As the real medic is still alive, that allows us to pull of a second parity check, ending the game. 2) There is a real medic, who is shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. The game comes down to a 2v1 and you go from there.
This.
You're claiming the parity check somehow means I become scum. That's not true, the best information you have going into day 3 with any sort of check all leads to a GM lynch.
Every other lynch is non-optimal and if you repeat this scenario again where I am town and the scumteam is GM+S&G, you choose to lynch me and lose.
Literally the only thing that changes between those two situations is the parities. You just admitted to flipping a coin.
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meh i wanted to win and to win you have to take human error into account. Policy lynches are terrible. Yeah we could have policy lynched and taught GM a lesson but we would have lost.
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On November 10 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 09:38 kitaman27 wrote:On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote:
You're in LYLO. Someone claims medic. The real medic dies. He has an alibi that can't help you determine his alignment. Why are you taking anything he says as true at this point for sure? I disagree. Suppose GM is scum and claims medic. There are two possibilities: 1) There is a real medic, who is not shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. As the real medic is still alive, that allows us to pull of a second parity check, ending the game. 2) There is a real medic, who is shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. The game comes down to a 2v1 and you go from there. This. You're claiming the parity check somehow means I become scum. That's not true, the best information you have going into day 3 with any sort of check all leads to a GM lynch. Every other lynch is non-optimal and if you repeat this scenario again where I am town and the scumteam is GM+S&G, you choose to lynch me and lose. Literally the only thing that changes between those two situations is the parities. You just admitted to flipping a coin.
you were scummier than s&g, and we weren't sure about GM/nipple, so we lynched you.
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On November 10 2011 09:50 deconduo wrote:
GM's medic claim might have been a much better idea had mafia not had a rolecop.
Disagree, because chaoser probably would've counterclaimed anyway.
Even without the rolecop we could've shot chaoser.
On November 10 2011 09:53 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 10 2011 09:38 kitaman27 wrote:On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote:
You're in LYLO. Someone claims medic. The real medic dies. He has an alibi that can't help you determine his alignment. Why are you taking anything he says as true at this point for sure? I disagree. Suppose GM is scum and claims medic. There are two possibilities: 1) There is a real medic, who is not shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. As the real medic is still alive, that allows us to pull of a second parity check, ending the game. 2) There is a real medic, who is shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. The game comes down to a 2v1 and you go from there. This. You're claiming the parity check somehow means I become scum. That's not true, the best information you have going into day 3 with any sort of check all leads to a GM lynch. Every other lynch is non-optimal and if you repeat this scenario again where I am town and the scumteam is GM+S&G, you choose to lynch me and lose. Literally the only thing that changes between those two situations is the parities. You just admitted to flipping a coin. you were scummier than s&g, and we weren't sure about GM/nipple, so we lynched you.
This doesn't make any sense either, you even said yourself S&G was scum the night before.
I entered the thread at a terrible time too. I had just come back from class and looked at my phone and went wtf super voted Kurumi.
Had I refrained from posting it might have even turned out better.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 10 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 09:38 kitaman27 wrote:On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote:
You're in LYLO. Someone claims medic. The real medic dies. He has an alibi that can't help you determine his alignment. Why are you taking anything he says as true at this point for sure? I disagree. Suppose GM is scum and claims medic. There are two possibilities: 1) There is a real medic, who is not shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. As the real medic is still alive, that allows us to pull of a second parity check, ending the game. 2) There is a real medic, who is shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. The game comes down to a 2v1 and you go from there. This. You're claiming the parity check somehow means I become scum. That's not true, the best information you have going into day 3 with any sort of check all leads to a GM lynch. Every other lynch is non-optimal and if you repeat this scenario again where I am town and the scumteam is GM+S&G, you choose to lynch me and lose. Literally the only thing that changes between those two situations is the parities. You just admitted to flipping a coin.
The parity check means either you or super were scum. We had a town read on super, we had a scum read on you guys. We lynch you guys. It's not a coinflip, its just like any other lynch. You decide based on the information available. If the scum team was GM and S&G, the game plays out differently and perhaps we don't make the same decision.
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On November 10 2011 09:54 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 10 2011 09:38 kitaman27 wrote:On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote:
You're in LYLO. Someone claims medic. The real medic dies. He has an alibi that can't help you determine his alignment. Why are you taking anything he says as true at this point for sure? I disagree. Suppose GM is scum and claims medic. There are two possibilities: 1) There is a real medic, who is not shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. As the real medic is still alive, that allows us to pull of a second parity check, ending the game. 2) There is a real medic, who is shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. The game comes down to a 2v1 and you go from there. This. You're claiming the parity check somehow means I become scum. That's not true, the best information you have going into day 3 with any sort of check all leads to a GM lynch. Every other lynch is non-optimal and if you repeat this scenario again where I am town and the scumteam is GM+S&G, you choose to lynch me and lose. Literally the only thing that changes between those two situations is the parities. You just admitted to flipping a coin. The parity check means either you or super were scum. We had a town read on super, we had a scum read on you guys. We lynch you guys. It's not a coinflip, its just like any other lynch. You decide based on the information available. If the scum team was GM and S&G, the game plays out differently and perhaps we don't make the same decision.
uhhh...
you said you had a scum read on S&G not even a day ago, not to mention by all accounts S&G was saying scummier things on day 3.
I mean, "scummy" is all subjective at this point, so it's not like it matters.
EDIT: My whole point is that if the scumteam was GM+S&G (and the best evidence pointed to GM being scum) then you would've lost.
The two situations are literally indistinguishable. That is precisely why it's bad town play.
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On November 10 2011 09:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 09:50 deconduo wrote:
GM's medic claim might have been a much better idea had mafia not had a rolecop. Disagree, because chaoser probably would've counterclaimed anyway. Even without the rolecop we could've shot chaoser. Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 09:53 redFF wrote:On November 10 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 10 2011 09:38 kitaman27 wrote:On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote:
You're in LYLO. Someone claims medic. The real medic dies. He has an alibi that can't help you determine his alignment. Why are you taking anything he says as true at this point for sure? I disagree. Suppose GM is scum and claims medic. There are two possibilities: 1) There is a real medic, who is not shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. As the real medic is still alive, that allows us to pull of a second parity check, ending the game. 2) There is a real medic, who is shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. The game comes down to a 2v1 and you go from there. This. You're claiming the parity check somehow means I become scum. That's not true, the best information you have going into day 3 with any sort of check all leads to a GM lynch. Every other lynch is non-optimal and if you repeat this scenario again where I am town and the scumteam is GM+S&G, you choose to lynch me and lose. Literally the only thing that changes between those two situations is the parities. You just admitted to flipping a coin. you were scummier than s&g, and we weren't sure about GM/nipple, so we lynched you. This doesn't make any sense either, you even said yourself S&G was scum the night before. I entered the thread at a terrible time too. I had just come back from class and looked at my phone and went wtf super voted Kurumi. Had I refrained from posting it might have even turned out better.
reads change?
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 10 2011 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 09:54 kitaman27 wrote:On November 10 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 10 2011 09:38 kitaman27 wrote:On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote:
You're in LYLO. Someone claims medic. The real medic dies. He has an alibi that can't help you determine his alignment. Why are you taking anything he says as true at this point for sure? I disagree. Suppose GM is scum and claims medic. There are two possibilities: 1) There is a real medic, who is not shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. As the real medic is still alive, that allows us to pull of a second parity check, ending the game. 2) There is a real medic, who is shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. The game comes down to a 2v1 and you go from there. This. You're claiming the parity check somehow means I become scum. That's not true, the best information you have going into day 3 with any sort of check all leads to a GM lynch. Every other lynch is non-optimal and if you repeat this scenario again where I am town and the scumteam is GM+S&G, you choose to lynch me and lose. Literally the only thing that changes between those two situations is the parities. You just admitted to flipping a coin. The parity check means either you or super were scum. We had a town read on super, we had a scum read on you guys. We lynch you guys. It's not a coinflip, its just like any other lynch. You decide based on the information available. If the scum team was GM and S&G, the game plays out differently and perhaps we don't make the same decision. uhhh... you said you had a scum read on S&G not even a day ago, not to mention by all accounts S&G was saying scummier things on day 3.
We posted in the thread that we had a scum read on S&G. We didn't.
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lol is that why red kept saying "super if you are town you are retarded?"
lolol
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MEH W/E YOU JUST BUTTHURT YOU GOT OWNED
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2011 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 00:33 chaoser wrote:On November 09 2011 00:28 supersoft wrote:
@all
this may be our last day. there is a high chance that scum goes all in to achieve the mislynch.
we have to be careful with our vote. Says scum will go all in to achieve mislynch and to be careful with the vote Wants to vote Team Nipple, the shittest lynch at this point. Scum -_- I'm just spouting nonsense, what's your excuse?
Heh unfortunately chaoser seemed to be the only one to jump on the S&G fake suspicion.
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On November 10 2011 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
The two situations are literally indistinguishable. That is precisely why it's bad town play.
They are arguing based on the known results of the game. I bet you if you flipped Town they still wouldn't even realize what you and I are talking about.
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On November 10 2011 10:07 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
The two situations are literally indistinguishable. That is precisely why it's bad town play. They are arguing based on the known results of the game. I bet you if you flipped Town they still wouldn't even realize what you and I are talking about.
haha you 2 are made for each other
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 10 2011 10:07 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
The two situations are literally indistinguishable. That is precisely why it's bad town play. They are arguing based on the known results of the game. I bet you if you flipped Town they still wouldn't even realize what you and I are talking about.
<3
You are arguing based on hypothetical situations. If bugs was town, then this game plays out differently.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 11 2011 18:06 Ace wrote:kudos to Nemesis and chaoser for being clutch and not thinking like idiots. Also for future reference of why I believed Subversion had to be Scum: Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 07:34 Ace wrote:
I'll believe Nemesis over an absent player. Why would you side with someone that isn't even defending himself?
On November 10 2011 08:23 Ace wrote:
I told WBG I didn't read the game but skimmed the thread and saw when GM said he fake claimed to protect the medic.
There should have been an instant lynch right there with no hesitation. But the Town is ridiculous.
Hypothetical situation #3.
An absent player and a fake claimer return different parities. Who gets lynched 
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