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sandroba
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
If the answer is no, then it is a good claim. I've already explained this earlier in the thread. GM faked a roleclaim as Town and DID NOT GET LYNCHED. He could have done the same as Scum and hey guess what - CRED! Fuck it, it's LYLO - he doesn't even need major cred. He only needs to avoid being lynched. "Hai guys I know that dead medic over there contradicts my story but I have an excuse for why I lied even though it doesn't tell you guys jack shit about me being Town -lolz 4real believe me". WBG even pointed out that there was nothing in the scenario regarding the check on him that tells you anything about GMs alignment. Literally you could have switched WBG and GM, lynched a Townie and then what? You're really going to make the same argument? Laughable. Seriously just ditch this forum and go play somewhere else. Pathetic level mafia games being played by the same pathetic players month after month and people are still falling for the same amateur level shit. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Yes scum could have done the same, but why would they? Again, it gains them no cred and stops them from killing the parity cop. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 10 2011 12:26 sandroba wrote: You are looking at the outcome. I don't agree. Would GM be more likely lynched prior to him make the claim? No, the opposite. Then it's a bad claim. Yes scum could have done the same, but why would they? Again, it gains them no cred and stops them from killing the parity cop. Because you know it won't get you lynched - thats the bottom line. I mean jeez, it's not like I myself on this very forum in a game you were in haven't fake claimed as Scum and destroyed the Town just because I could. It advances my win condition by making people think I'm Town. Did I die? No. Good, my role claim holds and now there is 1 Scum member outside the pool of suspects. Unless you've got some epic examples to prove otherwise with players better than me doing it multiple times I'm not buying that shit. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
And I don't even think you even believe that. You are just trying to win an argument. A claim is only good if it improves your chances of winning. Otherwise it's bad or irrelevant at best. It's that simple. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On November 10 2011 12:21 Ace wrote: There is only one such thing as a bad claim for Scum: Will I get lynched or lose the game for my team? If the answer is no, then it is a good claim. I've already explained this earlier in the thread. GM faked a roleclaim as Town and DID NOT GET LYNCHED. He could have done the same as Scum and hey guess what - CRED! Fuck it, it's LYLO - he doesn't even need major cred. He only needs to avoid being lynched. "Hai guys I know that dead medic over there contradicts my story but I have an excuse for why I lied even though it doesn't tell you guys jack shit about me being Town -lolz 4real believe me". WBG even pointed out that there was nothing in the scenario regarding the check on him that tells you anything about GMs alignment. Literally you could have switched WBG and GM, lynched a Townie and then what? You're really going to make the same argument? Laughable. Seriously just ditch this forum and go play somewhere else. Pathetic level mafia games being played by the same pathetic players month after month and people are still falling for the same amateur level shit. the problem is it was lylo and we didn't base a lynch on one claim. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
@redFF: Which as I illustrated made the situation worse and gives Scum more incentive to fake a claim. Man no wonder it's so easy to out play you guys in games here. I'm tempted to ask some people I know to sign up here and just start eating this place alive. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
A claim is only good if it improves your chances of winning. Otherwise it's bad or irrelevant at best. It's that simple. This is just WIFOM. If GM was actually mafia and pulled that shit you would have been fucked. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 10 2011 12:33 redFF wrote: ITT Ace is amazing and shits on everyone. Finally you are starting to understand. I'm better than you. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On November 10 2011 12:30 Ace wrote: Because you know it won't get you lynched - thats the bottom line. I mean jeez, it's not like I myself on this very forum in a game you were in haven't fake claimed as Scum and destroyed the Town just because I could. It advances my win condition by making people think I'm Town. Did I die? No. Good, my role claim holds and now there is 1 Scum member outside the pool of suspects. Unless you've got some epic examples to prove otherwise with players better than me doing it multiple times I'm not buying that shit. Your claim in sleeper cell improved our chances of winning, was backed up by my claim and made sense. It gained you cred, justified you being alive at that point and helped keep you and your teamates alive. So it furthered your goals. This can't be said about GM's claim this game, as it would not have furthered his goals, as demonstrated in my previous post. At best they would be in a equal standing compared to before the claim. At worse it would completely hamper his chances of winning the game. And how exactly can you quantify how good you are and another player is? It's kind of a biased opinion don't you agree? | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
Am i correct in thinking that you are saying that when GM made that claim and the medic flipped, we should have instant lynched him and lost the game? I understand that scum can claim just as well as town can, thats why I didnt believe kitaman's claim the entire game. I just refuse to believe the "correct" play for town is to lose the game. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On November 10 2011 12:33 chaoser wrote: This is just WIFOM. If GM was actually mafia and pulled that shit you would have been fucked. The same way if kita was mafia and pulled a pc claim we would all have been fucked. Does that make it likely he did it as mafia on that spot? No. Everyone believe him because that was an extreme and unecessary risk for mafia to take at that spot. Just like GM's. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On November 10 2011 12:37 sandroba wrote: The same way if kita was mafia and pulled a pc claim we would all have been fucked. Does that make it likely he did it as mafia on that spot? No. Everyone believe him because that was an extreme and unecessary risk for mafia to take at that spot. Just like GM's. One day I'mma pull a claim like this and then win the game with it. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
GM could have done the same thing here as Scum. And this is what you guys don't seem to understand. As scum he could claim medic and EVEN IF HE GOT LYNCHED if he believes his team can win then that shits on any excuse any of you have. I've already outlined how a Scum GM can play it the same way and win the game. Read the post if you keep refusing to believe me. Scum GM fake claims medic. If the actual medic flips he has the already stated alibi to say that he was just doing it to WIFOM the Scum night kill. If no medic flips then he can just say he protected so and so on each night knowing no one can prove him wrong since he knows all the NKs, or most importantly claims to prot the PC every night. Town GM shows up with a medic fake claim. What is the difference here? Answer this if you're so confident. What is the difference between Scum GM and Town GM here? Both of them lied about their claim and can't be verified. In what world does it make sense for the Town to even keep a player alive at LYLO that can't be verified but you've just seen the actual role flip. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On November 10 2011 12:21 Ace wrote: There is only one such thing as a bad claim for Scum: Will I get lynched or lose the game for my team? If the answer is no, then it is a good claim. I've already explained this earlier in the thread. GM faked a roleclaim as Town and DID NOT GET LYNCHED. He could have done the same as Scum and hey guess what - CRED! Fuck it, it's LYLO - he doesn't even need major cred. He only needs to avoid being lynched. "Hai guys I know that dead medic over there contradicts my story but I have an excuse for why I lied even though it doesn't tell you guys jack shit about me being Town -lolz 4real believe me". WBG even pointed out that there was nothing in the scenario regarding the check on him that tells you anything about GMs alignment. Literally you could have switched WBG and GM, lynched a Townie and then what? You're really going to make the same argument? Laughable. Seriously just ditch this forum and go play somewhere else. Pathetic level mafia games being played by the same pathetic players month after month and people are still falling for the same amateur level shit. Except that WBG was mafia and didn't make that claim. I wonder why? Also no one is saying that fake claim = town. You are saying that fake claim = lynch and that is PROVEN to not always be the correct play. Each and every piece of info this game provides you has to be analysed and considered, there isn't a flow chart of reactions proven to always work. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On November 10 2011 12:45 chaoser wrote: One day I'mma pull a claim like this and then win the game with it. If you want to gamble like that, I don't think mafia is your game of preference =P | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 10 2011 12:37 GreYMisT wrote: Ace, the only point of your argument seems to be to make damn sure that none of us feel good about winning. Am i correct in thinking that you are saying that when GM made that claim and the medic flipped, we should have instant lynched him and lost the game? I understand that scum can claim just as well as town can, thats why I didnt believe kitaman's claim the entire game. I just refuse to believe the "correct" play for town is to lose the game. I don't care about you guys winning. I'm talking about the actual PLAY here. You're showing hindsight bias when the situation shows nothing in this entire games changes if you flip WBG and GM. NOTHING. To the bolded - YES. @kita: I've asked you twice already to SHOW ME SOMETHING in these 70 pages that helps the case of WBG having to be scum that allows you to ignore GM. You haven't done it. So if I'm being short sighted you aren't showing me anything to let me know you even understand the situation. Good bye. I love it when the game is over and everyone says "yea that made sense because his alignment is X". And then 10 games happen where someone shows they are far smarter than you by doing shit because you don't know how someone will act as any alignment. All the people that don't fucking suck at this game understand there are guidelines to follow if you want to win a lot but you guys are still stuck in the dark ages patting each other on the back for shitty play. Only reason I even read this shit thread is because WBG PM'd me. A year on the forum and all of you are still at the same skill level. Fucking pathetic. | ||
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