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On November 05 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
This isn't a coaching game chaoser.
Where does it say that it's not?
I will play the way I want to play
On November 02 2011 02:05 Palmar wrote:
Combination, I'll probably RNG it, but maybe break up these two types of teams.
a) 2 very strong vets together (like 2 best players in the game in a team).
This opens up a very nasty "you should be dead so you're scum" can of worms, I don't want people trying to use that kind of arguments. If you're town you get either shot by mafia or no one trusts you because you didn't get shot, or if you're scum you'll get hanged eventually just because you're not dead, especially if a doc flips.
b) 2 very new players together
Mostly because the best way to integrate people into our community is to have them interact with older members!
But take note:
I won't balance the setup, only the teams. What teams end up as what role will be completely left to RNG.
If anything that post suggests that coaching IS a big part of this game.
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##Vote: TEAM VIKING
Post regarding them to come
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On November 05 2011 01:56 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 01:08 Forumite wrote:
I don´t have much time to post. I just want to say that I support GM's case and throwing mine and prplhz's vote to support it. We won´t be here for the lynch, but I think it´s the best place to put that vote right now, so that´s what we have to go by. If something huge comes up before the deadline then I expect there to be enough people online that one vote won´t much matter.
##Unvote
##Vote Team Red21
Also: FoS Nipple, post moar! the stupidity of this post cannot be ignored. also what kita said.
Agreed, as well as this one:
I like GMarshal's post. I'm leaving in an hour or so, maybe kitaman27 or redFF can conjure up something before that.
and this one
Sure, you can pick this lynch, I´ll pick the next one
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On November 05 2011 02:02 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 02:01 GMarshal wrote:On November 05 2011 01:59 redFF wrote:On November 05 2011 01:56 GMarshal wrote:On November 05 2011 01:53 redFF wrote:
except im posting content in this game. and i'm partnered with someone else. ... content like? The first actual contribution you make is after my accusation. Anyone can verify this with the filter button... Or are you refering to this OMGUS On November 04 2011 11:23 redFF wrote:On November 04 2011 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote:
Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now. Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy. At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with. 1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS 3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU 4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE 5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID 7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD 8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND lol @ this, kita names 2/3 of the player base as being possible scum and then doesn't explain why he conveniently excludes Forumite+prpl and Greymist+super. I mean, really, what is your point? Why are prpl+forumite not possible scum? Or Grey+super? For all we know, you could be scum. This "information" you provide is utterly useless. hes just giving his reads. its funny that this is the first time you've attacked us and its just after decon fos'd us. scum. ##unvote
##Vote wherebugsgo or perhaps to On November 04 2011 04:02 redFF wrote:
an idiotic sandroba plan! ofcourse!
we are lynching today lol maybe On November 04 2011 03:10 redFF wrote:
jesus christ lol we're lynching today.
i fear for you when RoL sees that post kurumi. or On November 03 2011 09:10 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 09:04 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:48 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town. That doesn´t make sense. This tactic only help scum, Town don´t risk looking scummy from just knowing their role, so only scum would do this. Why are you thinking so much about a pro-scum tactic? This actually does not hinder town in any way. Since only the not-knowing person is actually posting and the other one paraphrasing, town does not lose a townie. You still have to do analysis with your teammate about all the other teams (without talking about own team), so you got all the pieces. If townie: your team actually plays as regular townie, so no harm If blue: your team plays as regular townie, so no extra eyes on you If scum: you play as town the first 2 days, you lose a lot of suspicion because of this. and then you accidentally lead the bandwagon on your godfather.... all these *wonderful* contributions, which say NOTHING about anyone around you. Stop clutching at straws. so the first one is a vote and an fos, the second and third ones are commenting on a plan brought forth, the fourth one points out a flaw in a plan put forward. nice try though. You just claimed, so I'm done accusing you till I reevaluate, however I could easily go through a point how each and every one of your posts says pretty much nothing , so don't push it. Chaoser, you said you had a case on prplhz, is that forthcoming? actually im pushing it
As soon as hyshes gathers it up lol
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WBG, he claimed PC, that means there's a 50% 50% chance he's taking with counterclaims. It'd be very easy to check his claim as the game goes on, why would you be ok with voting for someone that just claimed PC?
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However, claiming doesn't automatically make you town. The fact that you even imply this screams agenda to me. There's a 50% chance of there being no PC. Even if there is a PC and you aren't the real one, the real PC wouldn't counterclaim because that would out him to mafia!
??? 1 for 1 trade is fucking good? What shit logic. I expect better from you.
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On November 05 2011 02:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Scum absolutely hate to move their vote around multiple times a day. They want to find a lynch to jump on and stick with it. Is that your entire case?
Well it's a bit more nuanced then what hyshes posted mostly cause he's new lol so I'll be willing to add in the meat of the post.
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Yes, IF there is a PC they could counterclaim. That'd be a 1 for 1 trade and it'd be pretty good for town. However, there are reasons why a PC wouldn't counterclaim this as well. (as I stated earlier)
All I'm saying is that we shouldn't let kita and red off the hook just because they claimed PC. Kita didn't react in a very townie manner to the way I asked about potential checks. That's suspicious to me.
Goes from being "lawl what a shitty claim, still mafia" to "All I'm saying is we shouldn't let them off the hook." Funny move Mr. tunnel.
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On November 05 2011 02:36 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 02:32 chaoser wrote:Yes, IF there is a PC they could counterclaim. That'd be a 1 for 1 trade and it'd be pretty good for town. However, there are reasons why a PC wouldn't counterclaim this as well. (as I stated earlier)
All I'm saying is that we shouldn't let kita and red off the hook just because they claimed PC. Kita didn't react in a very townie manner to the way I asked about potential checks. That's suspicious to me. Goes from being "lawl what a shitty claim, still mafia" to "All I'm saying is we shouldn't let them off the hook." Funny move Mr. tunnel. Chaoser... Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 02:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
Now, we have a PC claim and an interesting situation here. I don't like claims. However, I'll hold off for a bit until I can get some basic information from kita and red on this. Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 02:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
All I'm saying is that we shouldn't let kita and red off the hook just because they claimed PC. Kita didn't react in a very townie manner to the way I asked about potential checks. That's suspicious to me. How has my opinion changed, exactly? If I thought they were a better lynch than you today I would've voted them. But as I said earlier, I'm holding off until we can get more information. For now, I don't think the claim makes them less suspicious. + Show Spoiler +as in we need to keep pressuring them! there! I said it. god you guys are thick
Ah my bad, I misread the beginning of that post as more aggressive than it actually was since you first say
"I'm willing to vote for these two teams"=I think they are scum
and then at the end it ended up being
"However, I'll hold off for a bit until I can get some basic information from kita and red on this."=I am not sure of it
Carry on
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On November 05 2011 02:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Scum absolutely hate to move their vote around multiple times a day. They want to find a lynch to jump on and stick with it. Is that your entire case?
While I will concede the point that mafia generally don't like to move their vote around multiple times a day, I don't concede the point that they don't do it. I've played in multiple games where mafia, especially newer players, have done that on the misconception that they will "blend in" with the rest of the players if they're part of a majority vote. The logic of using "I was wrong in the lynch but so was everyone else that voted for them" as an argument when a player flips town is something that DOES happen.
But that's not the main point of the prp/forumite suspicions.
Go read over prp/forumite's posts as a good starting point. What has forumite been contributing to the thread? quote: Not agreeing with you here, I don´t think your way will work on those two. (Disagree with GM's plan to let the votes pile up on us) and then at the end: Let´s bring Team Edward into the sunshine, and see if they Burn and/or Sparkle! (This is basically saying lets do that!) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=14#264He posts a bullshit "analysis" of kurumi's team, bold their team red, never votes for them. Prphlz has since fallen off the face of the thread since accusing us of being mafia, going for easy "lurker" lynch of S and S and then later of Kurumi and RoL. He then posts this which puts the responsibility of scumhunting on others instead of doing it himself. quote: I like GMarshal's post. I'm leaving in an hour or so, maybe kitaman27 or redFF can conjure up something before that. Forumite even posts this: Sure, you can pick this lynch, I´ll pick the next one which shows that only does he NOT care about his previous case against us but that he's ok with lynching whomever.
They went after exclusively lurker teams or "easy targets" as I like to call them. They also showed a disregard to what their actual suspicions were, being very cavalier with their vote as well as their own reasoning/cases. Multiple times they posted a case and then were completely fine when their teammate wrote a case about someone else and then voted for that someone else without question. Finally, they decided to rest their vote on a team that they themselves didn't even push for (red21), citing GM's argument as "good" as the only reason for voting for them. It's the "I don't give a damn who gets lynched" attitude that's suspicious to me.
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They went after exclusively lurker teams or "easy targets" as I like to call them.
To expand on this point, in a small game like this, especially since it's so active, I very much doubt that mafia will be lurking or even inactive. Those are tactics that mafia teams of 6 use for late game survival when it's Day 8 and there's a sea of lurking/inactive players for town to work through. So for forumite and prp go for those easy lynches of lurkers (their cases against SS and Nipple mainly talk about how they're not contributing much and thus they're scum) and don't actually write any real cases against active people. Notice how prp immediately stopped going after my team.
And when they finally do vote for an active team, they says "we're going to sleep/can't post anymore today, we vote for them cause we agree with GM" which not only is an example of them trying to sheep a vote but it's also an example of them having to no longer defend their vote since they're off "sleeping"/"Not being here"
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EDIT IN BOLD:So for forumite and prp go for those easy lynches of lurkers (their cases against SS and Nipple mainly talk about how they're not contributing much and thus they're scum) and don't actually write any real cases against active people is really suspicious. Notice how prp immediately stopped going after my team.
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On November 05 2011 03:09 kitaman27 wrote:
TEAM SWITZERLAND, TEAM EDWARD, TEAM LIQUID, TEAM SS does anyone strongly oppose lynching one of these four teams?
I DO! I think your teammate does as well given his stance on Viking lol
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On November 05 2011 04:45 Crofty wrote:Dammit. In the hour and a half it took me to get back from work, the thread went from deadly quiet to red bull in a kindergarten. So, redFF and kitaman have claimed Parity Cop (not sure how you shade blue on these forums), which I am inclined to believe, for now, as if they are lying we will find out sure enough. Not what I would think would be the smartest move though... We do need a lynch. Not lynching gives us no data, and just allows the mafia to get ahead. Putting suggestions forth is good, though I am cautious of creating an easy bandwagon which the mafia can jump on. I, myself am inclined to go for either Team Edward, as I feel they haven't really done much which sets them into the "likely town" bracket for me; or Team Viking for similar reasons (though, worrying they have a couple of votes already). These are just my musings for now, that hopefully can be put to a decisive lynch, but I haven't really confered with my teambro, as I think he is at work now. Regardless, I will ensure we do vote. Also please excuse my lack of, lets say, "quote posting" so far, to back up my thoughts. Still struggling to remember which dude is in which team, consistently. Been many a moment in the last 24hours, when I have been trudging though the massive torrent of posts, and been like "OMG, name35 said this, and sillynamebob said this! they must be a mafia team!" and been like halfway though a long accusatory post, before I realized they aren't actually in the same team  . Its the weekend now, so I will get up to speed. So, Viking or Edward?
Condensed into:
Dammnit
<Lots of empty words and shitloads of noncommittal statements plus a sprinkle of uselessness>
Who should I vote for?
What a shitty post. Seriously, what does:
Putting suggestions forth is good, though I am cautious of creating an easy bandwagon which the mafia can jump on.
even mean?
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On November 05 2011 05:55 kitaman27 wrote:
You guys are all aware that only 1 hour remains in the day correct?
Friday, Nov 04 6:00pm EDT
Indeed, I suggest people vote, we need 5 lol
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Guys, vote between either my team or Viking. We need 5 to get a lynch off and I don't want a no-lynch. Right now it's tied 3-3 I think.
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On November 05 2011 06:44 iGrok wrote:
I'm pretty sure team SS has 3 votes also?
ok lol, so all 9 votes accounted for. iGrok, how can I convince you to vote for a viking lynch over an SS one? Viking is way more suspicious (bandwagons votes, cavalier about votes, leaves way before end of day so they don't have to be accountable for their votes) than SS (They're inactive)
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5 minutes till a no-lynch guys...
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need +1 more vote guys! come on! don't no-lynch...
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EPT
