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JACCUZISPLAT
Profile Joined October 2011
Uzbekistan76 Posts
October 17 2011 21:33 GMT
#1021
On October 18 2011 01:43 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 01:37 supersoft wrote:
##Vote Meapak_Ziphh

palmar made a huge post. i agree. reasons and details follow in about 4 hours if i dont change my mind.

@wbg: your case against me is so bad. my exam lasted from 9.00 to 14.00; i left my house at about 8.15 and entered the university at about 8.50
in the meantime from 14.00 to now i was in my repetitorium university course whatever its called in E and only could pm palmar from time to time.
if you want to use a kp on me for being wishy washy with these times i really dont care.


Baaaaa.


Its not really sheeping when its correct. Just make sure you look at every post and make sure his analysis isnt insanely off.

On that note, ##Vote Meapak_Ziphh
NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEE *Boom*
JimboSilvers
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom167 Posts
October 17 2011 22:09 GMT
#1022
On October 18 2011 04:35 sinani206 wrote:
Also, FoS on JimboSilvers for stealth voting.

x2
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 17 2011 22:49 GMT
#1023
On October 18 2011 06:28 Kenpachi wrote:
oh and thats also the reason why i think GreYMisT is a fellow York of Kitaman..


My question was an attempt to figure out why the roleswapper was down so low on the list, that senario i presented is one of the things i thought up.

Also If I was scum with kitaman wouldn't i have known his role? thus leaving there no need for me to ask that question in the thread as i would have been able to figure out the mechanics of the flip, while still leaving town in the dark.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 17 2011 22:50 GMT
#1024
and wait did jimbo just ninja unvote?
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 17 2011 22:51 GMT
#1025
On October 18 2011 00:16 Radfield wrote:
I don't buy it Palmar. I don't have a ton of time to hash it out hard, but I will be on later tonight.

Show nested quote +
Meapak casually and without responsibility gives his thoughts on the setup
Meapak decides to run for mayor
Meapak trashes the very town-looking mig/radfield train and accuses me of being scum
Meapak withdraws his application
Meapak claims roleblock on his invention


Let's go over your points. I agree that pre role-selection Meapak looked pretty shifty, specifically I had him listed as "poor logic/buddying/tentative" on my spreadsheet. But I had plenty of players like that, and pre-game PYP isn't exactly super conducive to making reads.

Meapak ran for mayor, and then dropped out suddenly. He also outted that he was inventor, which was really dumb. When I PMed him about this, here was his response:

Show nested quote +
I understand the risks of giving mayor to the top spot, however I have to at least try and run. Whether I role claimed or not, as the #1 pick I have no doubt I will be targeted by the thief and role swapper tonight. If I can get those bodyguards I won't have to worry about any of that. I at least wanna be able to get a couple inventions off before I die and bgs are the most surefire way.

I will support if it becomes apparent I don't have a chance (don't write me off yet, the day has just begun), or if it's to deny Mig/Sandroba.


I obviously pointed out that bgs don't work that way, but i can see how someone may think that, and it goes a long way to explaining both revealing his role in-thread, and why he then he didn't press his campaign.

Point 3: I don't think it's fair to call me and Mig a 'train on day 1'. In fact, I would say the train was mig/syllo/sandro and I was initially very suspicious of it as well. In fact, until learning additional info, I was pretty sure Mig at least was scum, So i can definitely understand why players would be against that train. His response to me:

Show nested quote +
Fuck well so much for that plan. I'm gonna have to think for a bit now. In any event, you can count on my support over the likes of mig and syllo.


He DID support me, and followed through with his vote. In fact, him withdrawing his mayor application was very much due to my interference:

Show nested quote +
Your chances of getting mayor are extremely slim. The risk of giving the top slot mayor is too great, as had already been discussed in the thread. You need to rely on medic protection, and hope that you get off the Police Radio(or other invention). Chances of you getting your role stolen or swapped tonight are very very high

Given you think I am town, I could use your support. If I don't get an elected position, I am almost surely going to get shot tonight.



There is more going on this game than simply what is in thread Palmar. You of all people should know that.

The fact that Meapak was roleblocked is a null-tell. Yes he could be scum and didn't want to have to give his invention to me or mig(the only viable people to give to), but obviously if we DO have a roleblocker, Meapak would be the target.

Lynching Meapak at this point is stupid. If he IS the inventor, we should clear out the scum in front of us first, and hope that we hit the roleblocker. That would go along way to confirming Meapak as telling the truth(though not confirm him as town). Do I think Meapak is town? Not really, but inventions are too important at this point to ignore.

Foolishness is super scummy at any rate, though there may be better targets as well. I will have more time to look things over after work.

I agree with this. Palmar's reasoning did not stand out at all and is being bandwagoned on for absolutely no reason. I believe Foolishness has been underperforming so let us pressure him. Foolishness is capable of destroying mafia singlehandly. I also find PM analysis the most weaksauce analysis of them all. its shit. complete shit im sorry. i did not like prplhz's analysis but i did likethat he pointed out Foolishness's weaknesses show through the thread.

+ Show Spoiler [set up trashcan so i dont spam the thr…] +
On October 18 2011 04:34 sinani206 wrote:
Hi guys. Apparently I'm bad at remembering to tell hosts that I'm going on vacation. (Sorry)

Anyway I'm back now, so I'm going to play. I claimed to arctocod and I'm mostly caught up, I believe.

On the subject of who to lynch today, I think our best choice right now is probably Meapack_Ziphh based on the last few pages.

##Vote Meapak_Ziphh

KENPACHI 2.0.


On October 17 2011 17:44 deconduo wrote:
Either Kenpachi is lying or I was framed. Don't see any reason for him to lie so I'd guess I just got unlucky.

When I flip town, don't assume he lied. Kenpachi, did you tell anyone you were checking me? Did anyone suggest that you check me? Did you hint to anyone that you would check me? If so, when I flip tell town who they are,

hahaha


##unvote Foolishness
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 17 2011 22:51 GMT
#1026
ROFL i ment
##unvote GreYMisT
##Vote Foolishness
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
October 17 2011 23:07 GMT
#1027
Last time Sandroba disappeared in a game he was scum. Where are you Sandroba?
Life can only kill you once.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
October 17 2011 23:35 GMT
#1028
I'm here. Add me on skype if you want to discuss something, I'm online most of the day. sandro.maculan
JACCUZISPLAT
Profile Joined October 2011
Uzbekistan76 Posts
October 17 2011 23:42 GMT
#1029
On October 18 2011 05:42 Arctocod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 19:38 Arctocod wrote:
so is this what we've got?

1. Meapak_Ziphh
2. Kenpachi
3. JimboSilvers
4. deconduo
5. Mig
6. Cyber_Cheese
7. wherebugsgo
8. Scamp
9. sandroba
10. syllogism
11. Radfield
12. hiro protagonist
13. Mr. Wiggles
14. DropBear
15. bumatlarge
16. prplhz
17. Node
18. supersoft
19. Chaoser
20. Arctocod
21. Jackal58
22. GreYMisT
23. kitaman27
24. heist
25. Foolishness
26. Erandorr
27. JACCUZISPLAT
28. sinani206



Updated

does anybody else think these useless lists are useless? You seem to have a lot of reads, how bout you come explain them all?
NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEE *Boom*
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 17 2011 23:52 GMT
#1030
it shows hes Showtime yes
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
October 18 2011 00:56 GMT
#1031
On October 18 2011 08:52 Kenpachi wrote:
it shows hes Showtime yes

A vote rigger? Falling all the way to 20? Not without help it didn't.
Life can only kill you once.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
October 18 2011 00:58 GMT
#1032
OK, we have a problem town. The problem is that everyone is sitting on IRC Skype and talking about the weather and lolcats and how the game is already solved.

Yes, town is in an amazing spot right now. We have investigative roles and a bunch of KP roles at our disposal(3 dead scum last night + America). If everything goes right, we should cruise though this game , but there is no guarantee that everything will go right.

We have a massive leak somewhere, as far too many people know far more than they should. Scum will be teaming up at this point, since they are dead in the water if they do not. Three targeted KP, with no scum dying and no scum overlap can get rid of town power roles and confirmed townies very quickly. Assuming that some of the 'town' KP is actually mafia, then that adds to our difficulties. Add in the potential roleblocker and there is possibility things could go downhill very fast.

Now chances are none of this will come to pass, but I don't really want to feel like a moron when I suddenly die tonight or tomorrow night and town careens into a loss.

All town players need to start assuming that the players they trust(despite not being confirmed) are potentially scum. We also need to get off IRC/Skype and start posting in the thread, or we may get to a point where we need to find scum without the help of blues, (and all the supposed reds are dead)and can't because there is no content in the thread.

I think the case on Meapak is crap, and I think that foolish is a better target. This whole sheeping Meapak without cause is silly. In fact, there are a number of players I am willing to lynch over Meapak.

Palmar, if not Meapak then who is your second choice.

Foolish, get in here and show that you care enough to defend the actions you have taken this game.

I want to hear EVERYONE'S thoughts on Meapak, and on who they want to lynch today and why.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
October 18 2011 01:05 GMT
#1033
Meapak isn't inventor. He's NRA. Somebody else on his team is inventor.
Life can only kill you once.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 18 2011 01:11 GMT
#1034
Jackal what makes you say that?

How do we know what Meapak is?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
October 18 2011 01:24 GMT
#1035
How could anyone know that someone is NRA.... unless you tried for it and didn't get it.

Did someone on your scum team try for NRA Jackal? And you've narrowed it down to Meapak? Explain.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
October 18 2011 01:25 GMT
#1036
On October 18 2011 10:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
Jackal what makes you say that?

How do we know what Meapak is?

Because a role swapper died. What would you claim as scum if you took NRA first? One of the top 5 have it and are on the same team as him.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
October 18 2011 01:25 GMT
#1037
On October 18 2011 10:24 Radfield wrote:
How could anyone know that someone is NRA.... unless you tried for it and didn't get it.

Did someone on your scum team try for NRA Jackal? And you've narrowed it down to Meapak? Explain.

Just did.
Life can only kill you once.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 18 2011 01:27 GMT
#1038
On October 18 2011 10:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 10:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
Jackal what makes you say that?

How do we know what Meapak is?

Because a role swapper died. What would you claim as scum if you took NRA first? One of the top 5 have it and are on the same team as him.


Meapak could still be the inventor.

If he is the inventor and kita was on his team ofc kita wouldn't roleswap Meapak.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
October 18 2011 01:27 GMT
#1039
On October 18 2011 10:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 10:24 Radfield wrote:
How could anyone know that someone is NRA.... unless you tried for it and didn't get it.

Did someone on your scum team try for NRA Jackal? And you've narrowed it down to Meapak? Explain.

Just did.


I don't follow...

Spell it out for me cause sometimes I'm slow. How do you know he's NRA?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
October 18 2011 01:28 GMT
#1040
damn, missed that post
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