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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
Meapak_Ziphh Alright town, I think we have our lynch of the day. Summary, for those of you looking for the tl;dr version:
Now here's the story from A-Z, if you wanna get with me you've gotta listen carefully. Opening thoughts First off, Meapak writes two pretty bland posts about how we should be picking roles and what we should be doing with them, it's not to terribly revealing in itself. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11796175 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11800108 Now, you see, this could simply be a townie who's not quite sure how to play the game. What's especially revealing is that meapak feels the need to make sure that this is just his speculations. If we pick him up on the advice and it turns out it sucks, he cannot be held responsible. Why make this post if you're town? On October 13 2011 06:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: /thinking out loud. It only accomplishes two things. First off it reduces the chances people will listen to him, something townies do NOT want, and it throws away responsibility, something mafia really does want. Candidacy Now as for his candidacy, it's basically thrown together, and is solely based on the fact that he's the inventor. There is nothing in it except an attempt at suggesting a ridiculously overpowered invention in the hopes of catching us in his net. But really, that's about it. There is nothing in this that makes me think he's town. He expects to be voted through the power of his role alone. This is something mafia would like, as it's a free ride to the mayor position. He isn't even arguing who should be lynched or trying to paint himself town. Sowing mistrust His next big post is really bad. On October 15 2011 02:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: People should NOT be voting for Mig/Syllo/Sandroba. It's the first day in a game with multiple factions, no one should be trusting anyone at this point. I don't think all of those three are scum, however I'd bet at least one of them is and since I'm not sure who, there's no way I'll vote for any of them. Mig and I had a conversation on IRC where he told me he really didn't want to be mayor but syllo was pushing him hard. When I asked him why syllo was pushing so hard he said because syllo was sure he was town because of skype conversations. Sandroba is probably the one I'm least suspicious of right now so if I had to pick one of these three for scum it'd be syllo. Also Arcotcod, This bolded part is the scummiest thing I've read all game. Just because you think syllo is town does in no way mean mig is also town. Especially considering you've never talked to mig. Apparently I am the scummiest person in the game for supporting townies, and the townie train we have now in the lead of town is something no one should vote for? Meapak is actively trying to throw mistrust into a very successful day one townie circle thing, and thus he's directly pushing mafia objectives. Another damning thing from this is that he actually doesn't follow up at all his poke on me, and in the end he ends up supporting radfield into office, who is clearly part of the townie circle with Mig. Meapak hasn't actually tried to find scum at all this game. For comparison This is meapak's day 1 play as town in experimental haunted mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250999&user=82024&user=82024 Just notice the actively asking questions, directly pointing out people and making sure they reply to him. This is something meapak is sure as hell not doing this game. Conclusion: Meapak has not pushed his reads, he's chosen to play his hand tight, he has not tried scumhunting and he's not been useful for town. All he has done is try to plant mistrust and passively push mafia agenda. His meta is far removed from his play in EHM where he was town. Meapak is scum ##Vote Meapak_Ziphh | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On October 17 2011 15:46 wherebugsgo wrote: LOL this is too good Ace please shoot supersoft. + Show Spoiler + [22:50] <wherebugsgo> ok back [22:51] <supersoft> i have only 5 minutes [22:51] <wherebugsgo> lol had to get into chrome and not firefox [22:51] <supersoft> :-/ [22:51] <wherebugsgo> ok [22:51] <wherebugsgo> what are your scumreads? [22:51] <supersoft> yep np [22:51] <supersoft> well, [22:51] <supersoft> i dont like palmars smurf [22:51] <supersoft> this actorod [22:51] <wherebugsgo> ok [22:52] <supersoft> i trolled him a little bit [22:52] <supersoft> by telling him that i am the inventor [22:52] <supersoft> on #18 [22:52] <supersoft> ... [22:52] <supersoft> i didn't knew it was palmar [22:53] <wherebugsgo> lol k [22:53] <supersoft> but his reaction was strange [22:53] <wherebugsgo> what did he say [22:53] <supersoft> he said i am lying to him [22:53] <supersoft> and wanted to know my real role [22:53] <wherebugsgo> ok [22:54] <wherebugsgo> soo [22:54] <supersoft> i dont like people that are bluefishing [22:54] <wherebugsgo> ok [22:54] <wherebugsgo> other than arcto [22:54] <wherebugsgo> anyone else? [22:54] <supersoft> not really. I think syllo and mig are town [22:54] <supersoft> i am not sure about rad [22:55] <wherebugsgo> ok [22:55] <wherebugsgo> lol [22:55] <wherebugsgo> there are 7 scum left [22:55] <supersoft> still. [22:55] <wherebugsgo> and 14 town [22:55] <supersoft> yes i know [22:55] <wherebugsgo> and you have 1 read lol [22:55] <supersoft> everyone could be scum [22:55] <wherebugsgo> wtf no [22:55] <wherebugsgo> like half the town is confirmed already [22:55] <supersoft> wtf yes [22:55] <wherebugsgo> ok [22:55] <wherebugsgo> so [22:55] <supersoft> lol confirmed in this game? [22:55] <wherebugsgo> I guess you haven't done anything [22:55] <wherebugsgo> all game [22:55] <wherebugsgo> but there are at least [22:55] <supersoft> whos confirmed in your eyes [22:55] <wherebugsgo> 3 confirmed town [22:56] <wherebugsgo> I don't need to tell you lol [22:56] <wherebugsgo> if you're scum you don't need to know who is confirmed [22:56] <wherebugsgo> there are like 5-6 probable towns [22:56] <wherebugsgo> ex mig syllo [22:56] <wherebugsgo> like you already stated [22:56] <wherebugsgo> 3 confirmed (at least) [22:57] <wherebugsgo> = 8-9 probable townies [22:57] <wherebugsgo> then there's like five people who are almost definitely scum lol [22:57] <supersoft> okay who [22:57] <wherebugsgo> again [22:57] <wherebugsgo> no need for me to say [22:57] <wherebugsgo> if you are scum [22:57] <supersoft> dude i got to go :D [22:57] <wherebugsgo> kk [22:57] <wherebugsgo> we'll talk again some other time [22:57] <supersoft> blargh [22:57] <wherebugsgo> perhaps later this day cycle [22:57] <supersoft> why am i talking to you [22:57] <supersoft> are you confirmed town? [22:57] <supersoft> i guess not. [22:58] <wherebugsgo> you don't need to know lol [22:58] <supersoft> lol [22:58] <supersoft> why am i talking to you [22:58] <supersoft> this doesnt make any sense [22:58] <supersoft> with your shady [22:58] <supersoft> "you dont need to know" [22:58] <supersoft> then i dont need to talk to you [22:58] <wherebugsgo> ofc not [22:58] <wherebugsgo> you're not probable town to me [22:58] <wherebugsgo> so I don't need to tell you anything [22:59] <wherebugsgo> and you haven't shown [22:59] <wherebugsgo> that you ARE probable town this game [22:59] <wherebugsgo> so...lol [22:59] <supersoft> yo [22:59] <supersoft> how could i show this anyway [22:59] <wherebugsgo> contributing [22:59] <wherebugsgo> PMing people [22:59] <wherebugsgo> being around [22:59] <wherebugsgo> lots of ways actually [22:59] <wherebugsgo> those are only a few [22:59] <wherebugsgo> you've had like no say [22:59] <supersoft> lol [23:00] <wherebugsgo> in elections/last 5 scum who died [23:00] <supersoft> you're funny [23:00] <wherebugsgo> or well 4 I guess [23:00] <wherebugsgo> cause decon hasn't flipped yet [23:00] <wherebugsgo> 3 scum died last night [23:00] <supersoft> i know [23:00] <wherebugsgo> and AFAIK you said nothing about any of them [23:00] <wherebugsgo> before they died [23:00] <supersoft> i just read the daypost [23:00] <supersoft> lol [23:00] <wherebugsgo> you haven't said anything about decon either [23:00] <supersoft> dude [23:00] <supersoft> and even if i did [23:00] <supersoft> this wouldnt confirm me as town [23:00] <supersoft> if i was scum [23:00] <wherebugsgo> no it wouldn't [23:00] <wherebugsgo> I never said it would confirm you lol [23:00] <supersoft> i would be interested [23:01] <wherebugsgo> it would help make you look better though [23:01] <supersoft> that the other scumfractions die [23:01] <supersoft> so [23:01] <wherebugsgo> very unlikely [23:01] <supersoft> it doesnt tell you anything [23:01] <wherebugsgo> unless you're a tudor [23:01] <wherebugsgo> you would be scared [23:01] <supersoft> if someone even kills scum [23:01] <wherebugsgo> cause both yorker/lancaster have half their members right now [23:01] <supersoft> i am not scum [23:01] <wherebugsgo> good for you lol [23:01] <supersoft> just have a lot of work to do [23:01] <wherebugsgo> I don't know what you are [23:01] <supersoft> and am talking to only you and mig [23:02] <wherebugsgo> right that's a problem lol [23:02] <wherebugsgo> you need to talk to more people [23:02] <supersoft> no its not [23:02] <wherebugsgo> ofc it is [23:02] <supersoft> i play every game like that [23:02] <supersoft> i hate the start of the games [23:02] <wherebugsgo> lol [23:02] <supersoft> noone knows anything [23:02] <wherebugsgo> well [23:02] <wherebugsgo> obviously [23:02] <wherebugsgo> that isn't the case [23:02] <supersoft> but everyone claims to know exactly whyts going on [23:02] <wherebugsgo> because 5 scum are dead already [23:02] <supersoft> i'll collect my information [23:02] <wherebugsgo> only 1 of which [23:02] <supersoft> and come forward with that at some point [23:02] <wherebugsgo> was shot by other scum [23:02] <supersoft> look at my play in XLV [23:03] <wherebugsgo> your play in XLV [23:03] <wherebugsgo> was different [23:03] <wherebugsgo> than here [23:03] <supersoft> I was afk the first 2 days [23:03] <supersoft> no its not [23:03] <wherebugsgo> yes it is lol [23:03] <supersoft> look my posts [23:03] <supersoft> the first 2 days [23:03] <wherebugsgo> ok [23:03] <wherebugsgo> even Mig [23:03] <supersoft> ahh [23:03] <wherebugsgo> says your play is different [23:03] <supersoft> whatever [23:03] <wherebugsgo> lool [23:03] <supersoft> i need to go [23:03] <wherebugsgo> kk [23:03] <wherebugsgo> cy [23:03] <supersoft> i have an exam [23:03] <supersoft> in about 30 min [23:04] <supersoft> that goes 5 hours [23:04] <supersoft> :-o [23:04] <supersoft> okay [23:04] <wherebugsgo> gl [23:04] <supersoft> thanks [23:05] <supersoft> and don't be stupid. my play is exactly the same. even if i were scum i wouldnt play different [23:05] <supersoft> you can accuse me in the thread [23:05] <supersoft> i'll defend myself like a hero [23:05] <supersoft> :D [23:05] <supersoft> but right now i have only few time [23:05] <supersoft> and noone PMs me except you [23:06] <supersoft> i was online last night for like 3 hours [23:06] <supersoft> :-D [23:06] <supersoft> cu [23:06] <wherebugsgo> cya "I have a 5 hour exam in 30 minutes" LOOK AT THE TIMESTAMPS He showed up at 15:40 to post this when his 5 hour test apparently started 10 minutes ago. Shoot this liar Maybe he's scum, maybe he isn't. But if that's your criteria so are you. + Show Spoiler + On October 15 2011 01:08 wherebugsgo wrote: Yo guys it's 9 am here and I have all my hw due and like five classes today. I won't be on for another 8-10 hours or so. On October 15 2011 01:34 wherebugsgo wrote: On October 15 2011 02:31 wherebugsgo wrote: On October 15 2011 04:23 wherebugsgo wrote: On October 15 2011 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote: | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
i don't get this kenpachi being swapper now, also i don't get how he could think that NKVD worked as he thought it did. it would be very powerful so why wouldn't town talk a lot about how we can secure it etc? he thought everybody else missed what he was sure about? how is he swapper when swapper already flipped? in relation to kenpachi there is deconduo, but scamp is clearly copy cat -> america and we'll know much more about that when nuke lands so lets just wait it out. arctocod came with a huge big list of people who are scum, and then he went for meapak. but i thought i'd seen that analysis before, mostly based on meta and on people not being as active as he'd like to. and looking a bit back i actually had seen it before. in a game where arctocod was scum and jack was town. a lot of people made insincere bids to the mayor position, kenpachi, greymist, chaoser just because he ran for mayor doesn't make him scum. and in the end he supported the same townie train that everybody voted for, i'm like 95% sure that both radfield and mig are townies at this point (not that i'm not watching them anyway). what's in the meapak analysis is no where near damning, and just throwing accusations about isn't really very townie play to me. did you even PM meapak about any of this? a lot of people have been complaining about meapak lately so maybe there's something to it but i really need to see someone make a decent case before i'll consider voting for him. and palmar is not nearly good enough a mafia player to use meta, mostly i'd say he just uses it to make his analysis seem better while in reality, it isn't. i don't like that at all. foolishness this is my foolishness irc log, for time reference, 5:00 was day2 deadline + Show Spoiler [my foolishness log] + --- Log opened Sun Oct 16 23:07:07 2011 23:07 -!- Irssi: Starting query in QuakeNet with Foolishness 23:07 <Foolishness> yo 23:07 <Foolishness> you around? --- Log closed Sun Oct 16 23:13:03 2011 --- Log opened Sun Oct 16 23:55:54 2011 23:55 <derpladee> yea kinda 23:56 <Foolishness> what numbers did you pick for the draft? 23:56 <Foolishness> I'm going through the numbers and something isn't quite making sense so I want to be sure 23:57 <derpladee> yea 23:57 <derpladee> i picked the ones i put in threa 23:57 <derpladee> d 23:57 <derpladee> 2/1 23:57 <Foolishness> oh? 23:57 <derpladee> oh. 23:57 <Foolishness> I didn't even realize you posted them in the thread 23:57 <Foolishness> lol 23:57 <Foolishness> must have missed your post 23:57 <derpladee> apprently 23:58 <Foolishness> haha okay good 23:58 <derpladee> what's not making sense 23:59 <derpladee> everybody gave numbers except arctocod 23:59 <derpladee> and they all look good 23:59 <Foolishness> yeah I just realized I made a mistake withthat 23:59 <Foolishness> I think it looks fine 23:59 <derpladee> cool --- Day changed Mon Oct 17 2011 00:02 <derpladee> it's funny how noone picked 3/3 00:02 <derpladee> the winning numbers from last pyp game 00:02 <Foolishness> haha perhaps it was a "I bet multiple people are picking those numbers so I won't" 00:03 <derpladee> well what about 1/1 00:03 <derpladee> 5 people went for that 00:03 <derpladee> a case of "i bet noone are picking those so i will" ? 00:03 <Foolishness> well in the first pyp game I was 3rd on the draft with 1,1 00:03 <Foolishness> and in the last PYP I played I got 7 or 8 with 1,1 00:03 <Foolishness> haha 00:03 <derpladee> this time you're like third last 00:03 <Foolishness> so my track record was good with those numbers 00:03 <Foolishness> yesss 00:03 <Foolishness> :  --- Log closed Mon Oct 17 00:09:03 2011 --- Log opened Mon Oct 17 03:41:18 2011 03:41 -!- Irssi: Starting query in QuakeNet with Foolishness 03:41 <derpladee> hey how do you feel about wbg? 03:41 <derpladee> i'm going for cutest player award  03:41 <Foolishness> he's so freakin annoying 03:41 <Foolishness> gosh 03:42 <derpladee> for real? 03:42 <Foolishness> yes 03:42 <Foolishness> like 03:42 <Foolishness> day 1 03:42 <Foolishness> we talked quite a bit 03:42 <Foolishness> and I thought we were on the same page 03:42 <Foolishness> BUT APPARENTLY NOT 03:42 <derpladee> what made you change your mind so much 03:42 <Foolishness> that guy is so spontaneous 03:42 <Foolishness> never thinks things through 03:42 <derpladee> well spontaneous is good isn't it 03:42 <derpladee> gives people a clear read 03:42 <derpladee> when it's overly thought through 03:42 <Foolishness> I guess so 03:42 <derpladee> like when you talk on forums sometimes scum have enough time to think of a nice answer 03:43 <Foolishness> he's town 03:43 <Foolishness> but just impossible to work with 03:43 <derpladee> but on irc it's different 03:43 <derpladee> i see 03:43 <derpladee> is that why you didn't talk to him lately? 03:44 <Foolishness> yes 03:45 <derpladee> what were you working on? 03:45 <derpladee> was it just you two or did you have like a group of people 03:45 <Foolishness> just us two 03:45 <Foolishness> we thought that chaoser might be linked to radfield 03:45 <derpladee> 'cause you seem to agree a lot in the thread 03:46 <Foolishness> yeah as I said we talked a lot day 1 03:46 <derpladee> like, your filter is mostly something related to him 03:46 <derpladee> and it's a bit weird i think, for a guy like you to talk extensively and work so closely together with a guy like him 03:46 <Foolishness> well he has an open mind 03:46 <derpladee> i think mostly what he's got going is enthusiasm and fervor (sp?) 03:47 <Foolishness> lol yeah that's a good way to put it 03:47 <derpladee> why did you decide to work with him 03:47 <derpladee> and not like maybe kenpachi 03:47 <Foolishness> lol kenpachi! 03:47 <derpladee> what's lol about him? 03:47 <Foolishness> it's kenpachi! 03:48 <Foolishness> looool 03:48 <derpladee> but he's pretty good! 03:48 <Foolishness> yeah he's quite the interesting character 03:48 <derpladee> and then he's got your style 03:48 <derpladee> don't say anything ever and then have all the answers 03:48 <Foolishness> but to answer your question we talked a lot day 1 03:48 <Foolishness> I guess we just agreed on a lot of things? 03:48 <Foolishness> dunno it was so long ago haha 03:48 <derpladee> i just think it's weird that you two would talk a lot when you are foolishness and he's wbg 03:49 <derpladee> but you're foolishness! you're a tlmafia forum legend 03:49 <derpladee> surely you can remember stuff that happened not more than a couple days ago 03:49 <Foolishness> well who am I supposed to talk to then? lol 03:49 <derpladee> there are a lot of players in this game i just think it's a bit weird that you decided mostly just to talk to wbg 03:49 <Foolishness> well I remember us debating peoples' innocence, trying to get the right person elected/lynched, then looking for connections between chaoser and radfield 03:50 <Foolishness> haha don't worry I'm in contact with a number of people 03:50 <derpladee> okay cool 03:50 <derpladee> like chaoser and kita? 03:50 <Foolishness> it's been slow so I haven't really talked to anyone today though 03:50 <derpladee> slow thread usually means busy pm 03:50 <Foolishness> yes chaoser 03:51 <Foolishness> kita spend an entire day bothering me 03:51 <Foolishness> about a 5th party 03:51 <derpladee> didn't prot say that there aren't any 5th party members 03:51 <Foolishness> did he? I wasn't paying attention really 03:52 <Foolishness> I was really busy the first day 03:52 <Foolishness> in the game busy I mean 03:52 <Foolishness> and also 03:52 <Foolishness> the Radfield group don't like to talk to me, so I generally avoid them as much as I can 03:52 <derpladee> i think people were talking about it in relation to dropbear's idea to frame as 5th party so people could see who he framed 03:53 <derpladee> but that's no way to play mafia is it 03:53 <Foolishness> and since they're the most vocal of the groups so far, it might sound like I'm not active cause none of them are talking to me 03:53 <derpladee> just don't talk to people 03:53 <derpladee> but wbg is the one saying you're not active 03:54 <derpladee> he's hardly in the radfield group, he's more in the ... i don't know whatever group you're in 03:54 <derpladee> grouping is silly anyway 03:54 <Foolishness> I think so too but that's the easiest way to describe it 03:54 <Foolishness> I don't know what wbg is up to 03:54 <Foolishness> but I'm kinda in a rut here 03:55 <Foolishness> I need the day post to really do anything 03:55 <derpladee> what do you mean? 03:55 <Foolishness> I need to see who dies before I can make any more progress 03:56 <derpladee> (zoology) Sexual desire or oestrus of cattle, and various other mammals 03:56 <derpladee> ... i just looked up rut 03:56 <derpladee> i'm not sure what to think about this 03:56 <Foolishness> no not that rut 03:56 <Foolishness> loool 03:56 <Foolishness> although that's quite an interesting definition you found 03:59 <Foolishness> man this game has been such a sine wave for me 03:59 <derpladee> what you mean 04:00 <derpladee> sometimes you know who is scum and sometimes you don't? 04:00 <Foolishness> as soon as something really good happens, something really bad comes along 04:00 <derpladee> or sometimes you care about the game and sometimes you don't? 04:00 <derpladee> what really good and really bad has happened lately? 04:01 <Foolishness> well 04:01 <Foolishness> at one point 04:01 <Foolishness> I knew almost all of the night hits 04:01 <Foolishness> but that got comprimised 04:02 <Foolishness> so now I'm just waiting to see what happens 04:02 <derpladee> what do you mean knew all night hits 04:02 <derpladee> from all scum and all vigs? 04:03 <Foolishness> not all of them 04:03 <Foolishness> but quite a few 04:03 <derpladee> how did you get to know that? 04:03 <derpladee> i mean the radfield group has to have a lot of scum/vigs since it's arguably the bigger group (he's mayor after all) 04:04 <Foolishness> lol what do you think I've been doing since the game started? =P 04:04 <derpladee> and you said you don't talk to us folk again 04:04 <derpladee> well 04:04 <derpladee> i honestly haven't a clue  04:04 <derpladee> this is the first time i talk to you 04:04 <Foolishness> haha good 04:05 <derpladee> how can you know who all scum groups are hitting 04:05 <derpladee> i imagine vigs could potentially claim to you if they think you're town 04:05 <derpladee> but no mafia is gonna claim vig and use the mafia's kill to corroborate tha 04:05 <Foolishness> oh of course not 04:05 <Foolishness> mafia will claim mafia, not vigi 04:06 <derpladee> who claimed mafia to you? 04:07 <Foolishness> well nobody outright claimed it 04:07 <derpladee> no i didn't think they would either 04:07 <Foolishness> haha but there's more than one way to claim 04:08 <derpladee> well 04:08 <Foolishness> actions speak louder than words? 04:08 <derpladee> who didn't outright claim to you but claimed nonetheless 04:08 <derpladee> i have a really hard time 04:08 <derpladee> finding scum in this game 04:08 <derpladee> which is weird 'cause there are so many of them 04:08 <Foolishness> mmm well 04:08 <Foolishness> it's probably because you're treating this game like any other game of mafia 04:08 <derpladee> i never played multifactional 04:08 <derpladee> or pyp 04:09 <derpladee> i'm confused as hell 04:09 <Foolishness> haha good learning experience then! 04:09 <derpladee> i had no idea about picking strategies or anything in the beginning 04:09 <derpladee> well yea i'm hoping so 04:11 <derpladee> ... but seriously, who do you think is scum 04:12 <Foolishness> meapak 04:13 <derpladee> the guy is inventor 04:13 <derpladee> isn't that a self-confirming role? 04:13 <derpladee> why do you think he's scum? 04:13 <Foolishness> a lot of his actions don't make sense 04:14 <Foolishness> why would he claim inventor 04:14 <derpladee> he's afraid of hits? 04:14 <Foolishness> why jokingly run for office 04:14 <derpladee> a lot of people jokingly ran for office 04:15 <derpladee> why is this making him scum? 04:15 <derpladee> i think mostly he's been under the radar really 04:16 <Foolishness> yes, I like focusing on the under the radar people 04:16 <Foolishness> wait, who else jokingly ran for office? 04:17 <derpladee> kenpachi? 04:17 <Foolishness> I guess wiggles, but I also think he's mafia lol 04:17 <Foolishness> oohhhhh right 04:17 <derpladee> i don't think so much wiggles 04:17 <Foolishness> hmm 04:17 <derpladee> wiggles defended his position and all 04:17 <Foolishness> I haven't talked to kenpachi, I wonder if anyone else has though 04:19 <derpladee> uh i think someone told me that they had talked to him or something --- Log closed Mon Oct 17 04:24:03 2011 --- Log opened Mon Oct 17 05:17:33 2011 05:17 <derpladee> so how about that flip huh 05:19 <Foolishness> I'm confused lol 05:22 <derpladee> you think swapper was dropped to kita? 05:22 <Foolishness> what do you mean? 05:22 <derpladee> i mean swapper is a cool role 05:22 <derpladee> that #3 pick was supposed to take according to all those lists 05:27 <Foolishness> Mig just answered that in the chat? 05:27 <derpladee> yea he did --- Log closed Mon Oct 17 05:33:03 2011 what i don't like about a guy like foolishness is that he's one of those names you hear a lot on this forum, but he hasn't done anything in this game yet. just about all of his posts so far have been him supporting wbg or otherwise talking about wbg related stuff, but the second decon pointed out that they might be connected, they both start distancing themselves for each other. wbg, who actively pushed for foolishness's election now says that foolishness is a null tell because of a bout of inactiveness. foolishness, as you can see in my log says + Show Spoiler [why foolishness suddenly doesn't…] + 03:41 <derpladee> hey how do you feel about wbg? 03:41 <Foolishness> he's so freakin annoying 03:41 <Foolishness> gosh 03:42 <derpladee> for real? 03:42 <Foolishness> yes 03:42 <Foolishness> like 03:42 <Foolishness> day 1 03:42 <Foolishness> we talked quite a bit 03:42 <Foolishness> and I thought we were on the same page 03:42 <Foolishness> BUT APPARENTLY NOT 03:42 <derpladee> what made you change your mind so much 03:42 <Foolishness> that guy is so spontaneous 03:42 <Foolishness> never thinks things through citing what might be the most obvious flaws in wbg's play, the guy is ALWAYS spontaneous and he NEVER thinks things through and he's ALWAYS so freakin annoying. so why did foolishness even talk to him in the first place? foolishness could have talked to anyone but he mostly decides to just talk to wbg, this seems weird to me unless they are somehow connected. i ask him why he even bothered with wbg in the first place with his obvious character flaws and foolishness says + Show Spoiler [lol i dunno, i guess i forgot] + 03:48 <Foolishness> but to answer your question we talked a lot day 1 03:48 <Foolishness> I guess we just agreed on a lot of things? 03:48 <Foolishness> dunno it was so long ago haha 03:48 <derpladee> i just think it's weird that you two would talk a lot when you are foolishness and he's wbg 03:49 <derpladee> but you're foolishness! you're a tlmafia forum legend 03:49 <derpladee> surely you can remember stuff that happened not more than a couple days ago 03:49 <Foolishness> well who am I supposed to talk to then? lol 03:49 <derpladee> there are a lot of players in this game i just think it's a bit weird that you decided mostly just to talk to wbg at this point foolishness says that wbg isn't the only one he's talked to + Show Spoiler [kita and chaoser] + 03:50 <Foolishness> haha don't worry I'm in contact with a number of people 03:50 <derpladee> okay cool 03:50 <derpladee> like chaoser and kita? 03:50 <Foolishness> it's been slow so I haven't really talked to anyone today though 03:50 <derpladee> slow thread usually means busy pm 03:50 <Foolishness> yes chaoser 03:51 <Foolishness> kita spend an entire day bothering me 03:51 <Foolishness> about a 5th party 03:51 <derpladee> didn't prot say that there aren't any 5th party members 03:51 <Foolishness> did he? I wasn't paying attention really 03:52 <Foolishness> I was really busy the first day 03:52 <Foolishness> in the game busy I mean 03:52 <Foolishness> and also 03:52 <Foolishness> the Radfield group don't like to talk to me, so I generally avoid them as much as I can 03:52 <derpladee> i think people were talking about it in relation to dropbear's idea to frame as 5th party so people could see who he framed 03:53 <derpladee> but that's no way to play mafia is it 03:53 <Foolishness> and since they're the most vocal of the groups so far, it might sound like I'm not active cause none of them are talking to me so foolishness also talked to chaoser and kita in PMs and since he was really busy he must have talked to them quite a bit. they were both scum, but did he talk about that in the thread at all? no. foolishness is supposed to be a guy who picks up on stuff and even though he's actively PMing with two scum he doesn't pick up on ANYTHING. weird. also he says that he was really busy first day but people might not know. well, if town don't know about your activity then what good is it to us? + Show Spoiler [but i'm so good!] + 04:01 <Foolishness> well 04:01 <Foolishness> at one point 04:01 <Foolishness> I knew almost all of the night hits 04:01 <Foolishness> but that got comprimised 04:02 <Foolishness> so now I'm just waiting to see what happens he almost knew everything about everybody in the game, but then not really so now he's just lurking it out. wat?! finally + Show Spoiler [who's scummy] + 04:11 <derpladee> ... but seriously, who do you think is scum 04:12 <Foolishness> meapak 04:13 <derpladee> the guy is inventor 04:13 <derpladee> isn't that a self-confirming role? 04:13 <derpladee> why do you think he's scum? 04:13 <Foolishness> a lot of his actions don't make sense 04:14 <Foolishness> why would he claim inventor 04:14 <derpladee> he's afraid of hits? 04:14 <Foolishness> why jokingly run for office 04:14 <derpladee> a lot of people jokingly ran for office 04:15 <derpladee> why is this making him scum? 04:15 <derpladee> i think mostly he's been under the radar really 04:16 <Foolishness> yes, I like focusing on the under the radar people 04:16 <Foolishness> wait, who else jokingly ran for office? 04:17 <derpladee> kenpachi? 04:17 <Foolishness> I guess wiggles, but I also think he's mafia lol 04:17 <Foolishness> oohhhhh right no pushing his views at all, just saying that meapak is scum. honestly, i've been getting a lot of "meapak is scum" lately so there might be something about it but foolishness' entire argument is 10 words long. sounds like he didn't give it any thoughts at all. finally there's his connection with wbg that i want to talk about. first wbg struck me as being a lot less chaotic than he used to be but when he changed that i thought that maybe he'd just fallen into his lotr ways where he almost got lynched day1 for being insane. but still, "i'm insane" is not a good excuse for being insane. i get a lot more scummyness from foolishness because of my past experiences with wbg, but the two are so interconnected that one's flip will surely affect my read on the other. foolishness needs to step it up ##Vote Foolishness | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
On October 17 2011 22:58 prplhz wrote: arctocod came with a huge big list of people who are scum, and then he went for meapak. but i thought i'd seen that analysis before, mostly based on meta and on people not being as active as he'd like to. and looking a bit back i actually had seen it before. in a game where arctocod was scum and jack was town. a lot of people made insincere bids to the mayor position, kenpachi, greymist, chaoser just because he ran for mayor doesn't make him scum. and in the end he supported the same townie train that everybody voted for, i'm like 95% sure that both radfield and mig are townies at this point (not that i'm not watching them anyway). what's in the meapak analysis is no where near damning, and just throwing accusations about isn't really very townie play to me. did you even PM meapak about any of this? a lot of people have been complaining about meapak lately so maybe there's something to it but i really need to see someone make a decent case before i'll consider voting for him. and palmar is not nearly good enough a mafia player to use meta, mostly i'd say he just uses it to make his analysis seem better while in reality, it isn't. i don't like that at all. There is a huge difference between those two things, most notably that the analysis on Jackal is mostly complete bullshit (it is actually impossible to write a pbp analysis on jackal on day 1), while this one isn't. Meapak actually has a useful day 1 meta, something jackal lacks. And I'm more than good enough to use meta, stfu. I'm always right, hang meapak. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Meapak casually and without responsibility gives his thoughts on the setup Meapak decides to run for mayor Meapak trashes the very town-looking mig/radfield train and accuses me of being scum Meapak withdraws his application Meapak claims roleblock on his invention Let's go over your points. I agree that pre role-selection Meapak looked pretty shifty, specifically I had him listed as "poor logic/buddying/tentative" on my spreadsheet. But I had plenty of players like that, and pre-game PYP isn't exactly super conducive to making reads. Meapak ran for mayor, and then dropped out suddenly. He also outted that he was inventor, which was really dumb. When I PMed him about this, here was his response: I understand the risks of giving mayor to the top spot, however I have to at least try and run. Whether I role claimed or not, as the #1 pick I have no doubt I will be targeted by the thief and role swapper tonight. If I can get those bodyguards I won't have to worry about any of that. I at least wanna be able to get a couple inventions off before I die and bgs are the most surefire way. I will support if it becomes apparent I don't have a chance (don't write me off yet, the day has just begun), or if it's to deny Mig/Sandroba. I obviously pointed out that bgs don't work that way, but i can see how someone may think that, and it goes a long way to explaining both revealing his role in-thread, and why he then he didn't press his campaign. Point 3: I don't think it's fair to call me and Mig a 'train on day 1'. In fact, I would say the train was mig/syllo/sandro and I was initially very suspicious of it as well. In fact, until learning additional info, I was pretty sure Mig at least was scum, So i can definitely understand why players would be against that train. His response to me: Fuck well so much for that plan. I'm gonna have to think for a bit now. In any event, you can count on my support over the likes of mig and syllo. He DID support me, and followed through with his vote. In fact, him withdrawing his mayor application was very much due to my interference: Your chances of getting mayor are extremely slim. The risk of giving the top slot mayor is too great, as had already been discussed in the thread. You need to rely on medic protection, and hope that you get off the Police Radio(or other invention). Chances of you getting your role stolen or swapped tonight are very very high Given you think I am town, I could use your support. If I don't get an elected position, I am almost surely going to get shot tonight. There is more going on this game than simply what is in thread Palmar. You of all people should know that. The fact that Meapak was roleblocked is a null-tell. Yes he could be scum and didn't want to have to give his invention to me or mig(the only viable people to give to), but obviously if we DO have a roleblocker, Meapak would be the target. Lynching Meapak at this point is stupid. If he IS the inventor, we should clear out the scum in front of us first, and hope that we hit the roleblocker. That would go along way to confirming Meapak as telling the truth(though not confirm him as town). Do I think Meapak is town? Not really, but inventions are too important at this point to ignore. Foolishness is super scummy at any rate, though there may be better targets as well. I will have more time to look things over after work. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
He claims to have all but 8 on a spread sheet. He's pissed that I won't claim to him. Wtf is up with this? | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
On October 18 2011 00:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Arctocod you're cute. You didn't agree to my terms, I think we should kill you. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
On October 18 2011 00:38 Arctocod wrote: You didn't agree to my terms, I think we should kill you. Don't you have something to tell the thread Arcto? I don't care if I die, I think you're scum and I will not give away the best thing I've done for the town. | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
On October 18 2011 00:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Don't you have something to tell the thread Arcto? I don't care if I die, I think you're scum and I will not give away the best thing I've done for the town. you're so cute when you do that meapak! ♥ | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
What's wrong, lose your nerve at the last moment? I have to go soon so hurry up. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
On October 18 2011 00:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: What's wrong, lose your nerve at the last moment? I have to go soon so hurry up. nah, I don't actually wanna follow through with my threats right now, I'll save it for later. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
On October 18 2011 00:49 syllogism wrote: Rad raises some good points, but I'd like to hear more from Meapak, specifically who does he consider a solid lynch today. Arctocod apparently, but how about building an actual case I'm waiting to see if Arcto goes through with an incredibly short-sighted and foolish plan. If he does then we're going to have a lot to talk about. I'm going to be gone in about 9 minutes though so he needs to hurry up. | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
On October 18 2011 00:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm waiting to see if Arcto goes through with an incredibly short-sighted and foolish plan. If he does then we're going to have a lot to talk about. I'm going to be gone in about 9 minutes though so he needs to hurry up. don't hold your breath. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
You only shoot DTs right? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On October 17 2011 22:00 Jackal58 wrote: Maybe he's scum, maybe he isn't. But if that's your criteria so are you. + Show Spoiler + On October 15 2011 01:08 wherebugsgo wrote: Yo guys it's 9 am here and I have all my hw due and like five classes today. I won't be on for another 8-10 hours or so. On October 15 2011 01:34 wherebugsgo wrote: On October 15 2011 02:31 wherebugsgo wrote: On October 15 2011 04:23 wherebugsgo wrote: On October 15 2011 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote: This is actually reasonable. However, there is a post in there where I spoiler, "fuck HW mafia all the way", and anyone who did /Whois on me in IRC would know I was on my berkeley.edu IP. Also I'm pretty sure I know all the scum now. Arcto's about 4 scum off lololol | ||
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