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Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
October 11 2011 01:57 GMT
#1541
Why is not using "intuition" a scum trait? Intuition is the worst evidence, because it means nothing. On Day 1 I had reason to vote for WBG. D2 voting for Incog was a good choice because he was scummy. D3 I voted Sevyrn beause he was scummy, and the case against Sevyrn D4 wasn't entirely bandwagoning because I was one of the few people who actually made a case against him.
Enjoy your day.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 11 2011 02:08 GMT
#1542
The point is that you only bandwagoned the entire game. You never provided your own opinion and moved as the days went by. your suspicion on anyone never really stayed except for Sevyrn. You have had that unsure mentality throughout the entire game. Complete nulltell.

risk gives a town vibe tbh. Just read them. you'll see that it is very hard for him to be mafia
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 02:19 GMT
#1543
Kenpachi if you read the logs I just posted you'd know risk hasn't played a game of mafia before.

It's basically a coin flip right now between risk and nisani. Lesser of two evils IMO.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 11 2011 02:31 GMT
#1544
On October 11 2011 11:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
Kenpachi if you read the logs I just posted you'd know risk hasn't played a game of mafia before.

It's basically a coin flip right now between risk and nisani. Lesser of two evils IMO.

lol. its all good then. you and nisani are dying. end of story
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 03:22 GMT
#1545
Actually I don't believe you'll have control over whether nisani dies or not.

That comes down to Forumite's vote.

-I get lynched, flip town
-you get shot

nisani forumite risk left. I would honestly hate to be forumite in that position
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 03:38 GMT
#1546
On October 11 2011 09:14 risk.nuke wrote:
Slimey shit you were. This is the keyphrase you so conveniently leaves out " think about it, if I'm town, who is scum?"

I know I am not town.
I know Kenpachi is spy.
You are dead from the lynch.

That leaves forumite and nisani.

Desperate slimey shit.


lol

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 03:44 GMT
#1547
TBH neither Nisani nor risk.nuke look good from their filters/PM histories.

Nisani do you have any logs? Who have you talked to?

Seriously Kenpachi, the optimal situation is to lynch through risk.nuke/nisani. If risk pops town then it has to be nisani.

The problem is that if I get lynched it's a coin flip for forumite. There's literally almost nothing either player has offered to town, so they both are (almost) completely unreadable.

Pros for risk.nuke:

1. He's new
2. He's responded to PMs
3. He gave me some logs (not many, though)

Cons:

1. He's done nothing
2. He has no reasoning for anything
3. He can't provide reasons when asked
4. He says weird shit in general
5. He ninja votes
6. Often disappears when receiving suspicion

Nisani

Pros:

1. He gave us an IRC channel with a log from the beginning of the game
2. At least uses some minimal reasoning (like his last post, for instance)
3. Doesn't disappear at weird times of day, as far as I can tell

Cons:

1. He's not conforming to his meta from MLP of being very aggressive. Once he thought I was scum in MLP he never let go (and he was correct)
2. He doesn't contribute anything
3. His votes are often given without reasons
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4378 Posts
October 11 2011 04:05 GMT
#1548
Ouchie!

GG, sorry guys for my complete inactivity I shouldn't have signed up T_T

Was fun, thanks hosts!
Sucker for nostalgia
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
October 11 2011 04:22 GMT
#1549
WBG, do you have any logs of having spoken to DB?

Nisani, do you have logs of having spoken to a Scum?
:3
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 05:03 GMT
#1550
+ Show Spoiler [DB] +
[23:23] <DropBear> sup
[23:23] <wherebugsgo___> hey DB
[23:23] <wherebugsgo___> can you give me your reads?
[23:23] <wherebugsgo___> town reads and scum reads
[23:23] <DropBear> iv been mia most of the time
[23:23] <wherebugsgo___> I'm about to start a league match so I'll brb
[23:23] <DropBear> i asked kurumi for replacement
[23:24] <DropBear> scum reads
[23:24] <DropBear> sinani206
[23:24] <DropBear> and sevryn iv been saying that since day 1
[23:24] <DropBear> you're my main town read cos you always play like this from what iv seen
[23:24] <wherebugsgo___> alright
[23:24] <wherebugsgo___> I'm about to post
[23:24] <DropBear> id say jcarl is probably town
[23:24] <wherebugsgo___> a sinani case
[23:24] <wherebugsgo___> and the thing is
[23:24] <DropBear> can we hang sevryn
[23:24] <DropBear> please
[23:24] <wherebugsgo___> I think I have all 3 scum
[23:25] <wherebugsgo___> sinani sevryn forumite
[23:25] <wherebugsgo___> but
[23:25] <wherebugsgo___> forumite might be swapped out with risk
[23:25] <wherebugsgo___> not sure yet
[23:25] <wherebugsgo___> anyway I'll brb
[23:25] <DropBear> ok
[23:59] <wherebugsgo___> alright
[23:59] <wherebugsgo___> are you vanilla?
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AutYqafTwGaMdFJaNHhFQ05nYzZsUzdITUtIRzFMS3c&hl=en_US
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> I'm going to add your reads here
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> I have the reads of all the townies
[00:00] <DropBear> ye bro vanilla
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> also some scum
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> because I've been talking to everyone today
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> anyway
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> what i'm about to do
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> is make a case on sinani
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> and tell everyone
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> to lynch him
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> then sevryn
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> then forumite/risk.nuke
[00:00] <DropBear> id rather do sevryn first
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> the last scum is between those two
[00:01] <DropBear> but i can get behind a sinani lynch too
[00:01] <wherebugsgo___> I know you would lol
[00:01] <wherebugsgo___> the thing is
[00:01] <wherebugsgo___> more people support a sinani lynch atm
[00:01] <wherebugsgo___> but honestly
[00:01] <wherebugsgo___> if they're both scum it doesn't matter
[00:01] <wherebugsgo___> they both voted you
[00:02] <DropBear> did they?
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> yep
[00:02] <DropBear> i thought sevryn voted risk nuke
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> sinani came in and voted you
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn voted you the other day
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> but I believe he voted risk.nuke today, yeha
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> anyway, I doubt risk is mafia
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> he's just super noob
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> but no one has defended him
[00:02] <DropBear> ye its his first gmae
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> yep, he told me
[00:03] <DropBear> i was speaking to him on the first day
[00:03] <wherebugsgo___> mhmm
[00:03] <DropBear> in irc
[00:03] <wherebugsgo___> he sent me the log
[00:03] <wherebugsgo___> well
[00:03] <wherebugsgo___> not of IRC
[00:03] <wherebugsgo___> but his PMs
[00:03] <wherebugsgo___> Sevryn soft defended Forumite and sinani when I talked to him
[00:04] <wherebugsgo___> so you think I'm town right who else?
[00:04] <wherebugsgo___> who are the scummiest beyond sinani/sevryn?
[00:04] <DropBear> well jcarl seems town
[00:04] <DropBear> and supersoft
[00:05] <DropBear> mostly cos he just blu claimed to me lol
[00:05] <wherebugsgo___> okay
[00:05] <wherebugsgo___> I agree on both of those
[00:05] <wherebugsgo___> strongest townies
[00:06] <wherebugsgo___> kenpachi?
[00:06] <wherebugsgo___> xt?
[00:06] <DropBear> i never know how to read kenpachi lol
[00:06] <wherebugsgo___> lol
[00:06] <wherebugsgo___> okay. so null you think?
[00:06] <DropBear> ye null
[00:06] <DropBear> i got no idea on him
[00:06] <wherebugsgo___> alright
[00:06] <wherebugsgo___> I'm pretty sure he's town
[00:07] <DropBear> xt replaced marshal right?
[00:07] <wherebugsgo___> yes
[00:07] <DropBear> marshal was throwing up the sort of shit he did
[00:07] <DropBear> both times iv been on a scum team with him
[00:07] <wherebugsgo___> ok
[00:07] <DropBear> the curu cae
[00:07] <DropBear> *case
[00:07] <wherebugsgo___> right
[00:07] <DropBear> was the biggest pile of shit iv ever seen in my life
[00:07] <wherebugsgo___> lool
[00:07] <DropBear> it reminds me of pick their powere
[00:07] <wherebugsgo___> indeed
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> I read that game
[00:08] <DropBear> when he convinced everyone that palmar shot the mole
[00:08] <DropBear> to gain town cred rofl
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> okay
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> so the one thing
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> I have a problem with xt/Gmarsh on
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> is that he raged
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> and I'm pretty sure
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> it's legitimate, cause he replaced out
[00:08] <DropBear> and we got palmar lynched over bumatlarge who was confirmed in the day post haha
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> and he apologized to me
[00:08] <DropBear> id say hes dodgy
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> also xt I'm getting a townish? read on
[00:08] <DropBear> but not sevryn dodgy
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> but not sure still
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> yes indeed
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> xt avoided giving me reads
[00:09] <wherebugsgo___> in IRC earlier today
[00:09] <wherebugsgo___> and he was acting a bit weird
[00:09] <wherebugsgo___> it's all in the loonybin logs
[00:09] <wherebugsgo___> but lynching him before sevryn/sinani would be dumb
[00:09] <wherebugsgo___> unless one of them flips town
[00:10] <DropBear> i am definitely for sevryn and sinani first
[00:10] <DropBear> and sevryn over sinani
[00:10] <wherebugsgo___> yup
[00:10] <wherebugsgo___> okay so
[00:10] <DropBear> supersoft claimed blu spy btw
[00:10] <wherebugsgo___> I predict I will die after this lynch
[00:10] <DropBear> i can tell you that i think
[00:10] <wherebugsgo___> ?
[00:10] <DropBear> he claimed in thread
[00:10] <DropBear> that he was incognitos mysterious night vigi
[00:11] <wherebugsgo___> indeed
[00:11] <DropBear> i pmd him lke an hour ago asking if his sniper claim was legit
[00:11] <DropBear> and if he could shoot sevryn
[00:11] <DropBear> and he said spy not sniper
[00:11] <wherebugsgo___> yep he can only shoot at night
[00:11] <DropBear> so hes night only
[00:11] <wherebugsgo___> I've been getting a power role vibe from super
[00:11] <wherebugsgo___> basically I'm not going to out him
[00:11] <wherebugsgo___> he's got two shots
[00:12] <DropBear> ye good keep it under wraps
[00:12] <wherebugsgo___> if you guys mislynch after tomorrow night because forumite is town
[00:12] <DropBear> he did kind of open claim lol
[00:12] <wherebugsgo___> yeah lol
[00:12] <DropBear> which is kind of random
[00:12] <wherebugsgo___> so oaky
[00:12] <wherebugsgo___> I see
[00:12] <DropBear> i dont think he needed to
[00:12] <wherebugsgo___> we lynch sinani, sevryn gets shot
[00:12] <wherebugsgo___> if either flips town you have xt/forumite and game's over basically
[00:13] <wherebugsgo___> we lynch sinani and sevryn gets shot, both scum
[00:13] <wherebugsgo___> lynch xt/forumite, one flips town other gets shot
[00:13] <wherebugsgo___> then if both were town last guy is risk
[00:13] <DropBear> ok
[00:13] <wherebugsgo___> so I think our chances are good
[00:13] <DropBear> why forumite
[00:13] <wherebugsgo___> the last ? factor was you basically
[00:13] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn soft defended him
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> and
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> he's been around
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> for 3 days now
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> despite being either blue/scum
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> if he was blue I think he would've been shot long ago
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> he slipped about the drunk demo on night 1 basically
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> he would've made a perfect night 1 shot
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> plus he literally hasn't done anything
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> for being a mute
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> he suspects me
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> and tnkted
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> no contributions at all
[00:15] <DropBear> isnt tnkted modkiled
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> yeah tnkted died
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm saying, we were his only scum reads
[00:15] <DropBear> ok
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> he also avoided Curu's attacks
[00:15] <DropBear> ill read up on him
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> yep
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> okay so
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> this spreadsheet
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> has been given to the green townies you see
[00:16] <wherebugsgo___> all of them have it, and no one else does
[00:16] <DropBear> ok
[00:16] <wherebugsgo___> you think nisani and erandor are town?
[00:17] <DropBear> i liked incognitos case on erandorr day 1
[00:17] <DropBear> i thought he was dodgy early
[00:17] <wherebugsgo___> okay
[00:17] <DropBear> i kind of forgot about him after the curu/incog shit that went down
[00:17] <wherebugsgo___> yeah
[00:17] <DropBear> been too busy to have another look
[00:18] <wherebugsgo___> okay
[00:18] <DropBear> nisani i got no idea
[00:18] <wherebugsgo___> Mig and Curu
[00:18] <wherebugsgo___> thought Erandorr was town
[00:18] <wherebugsgo___> and they didn't provide the reasoning but I believe their conclusion was pretty solid
[00:18] <wherebugsgo___> they weren't able to give me their logs before they died
[00:18] <DropBear> yeah
[00:18] <wherebugsgo___> nisani I have strong reasons to believe he's town
[00:18] <DropBear> well mig was the most obvious townie
[00:18] <DropBear> ok
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> so if any of these guys
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> want to talk to you
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> just let them know
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> I mean, I know you're busy
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> so you might be better off
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> posting something of substance in the thread
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> and I will back you up as being a townie
[00:19] <DropBear> ok
[00:19] <DropBear> i dont have time right now im about to go
[00:19] <DropBear> ill be on again in a few hours
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> that's fine, just do it asap
[00:20] <wherebugsgo___> I'll be getting off for about 12 hours after I make the case on sinani
[00:20] <DropBear> cool cool
[00:21] <DropBear> alright im off
[00:21] <DropBear> ttyl
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 07:47 GMT
#1551
DB spoke to risk on day 1 and risk gave me those logs.

Based on that, and seeing as we haven't seen any scum to scum logs yet, I think we should lynch Nisani.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 11 2011 10:34 GMT
#1552
On October 11 2011 10:49 Kenpachi wrote:
Risk.nuke, have you ever played mafia on the forums before

First forumgame. I have played it alot in real life.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
October 11 2011 10:55 GMT
#1553
On October 11 2011 16:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
DB spoke to risk on day 1 and risk gave me those logs.

Based on that, and seeing as we haven't seen any scum to scum logs yet, I think we should lynch Nisani.

risk, is it true that DB gave you those logs on WBG, and if so, when did he give them to you?
:3
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 11 2011 11:21 GMT
#1554
DB haven't given me any logs, I think you misread.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
October 11 2011 12:41 GMT
#1555
On October 11 2011 16:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
DB spoke to risk on day 1 and risk gave me those logs.

Based on that, and seeing as we haven't seen any scum to scum logs yet, I think we should lynch Nisani.
On October 11 2011 20:21 risk.nuke wrote:
DB haven't given me any logs, I think you misread.

Okay, I´m not quite following. WBG says that DB and risk spoke on day 1, and that risk gave those logs to WBG. Are there logs of DB and risk speaking or not, and are they to be found?
:3
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 11 2011 13:02 GMT
#1556
Dropbear pm'd me
+ Show Spoiler +
Hi, I haven't seen you around before. Have you played TL mafia before?

I didn't respond to it. Later in the irc (I think it was before I had said anything) He approached me and said something like
-Hi why didn't you answer my pm ?
I said something in the rounds of yes this is my first time on tlmafia.
We spoke for a few minutes, basicly he told me some story about his first time, couple of smiley faces, wished me luck. We didn't talk again. Later I realised or (thought atleast) he just checked if I were mute. which is why I were suspicous on him when wbg asked me for scumreads
+ Show Spoiler +
[10/4/2011 10:09:26 PM] VictorJarl Engwall [nuke]: Honestly, I feel like I don't have a clue anymore, everyone seems suspicious but none suspicious enough to warrant a lynch
[10/4/2011 10:10:59 PM] VictorJarl Engwall [nuke]: I have been really swamped and just got back, I'm currently having a look on dropbear
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
October 11 2011 13:11 GMT
#1557
WBG, the time risk and DB spoke was just a few sentences, not unusual for Scum to talk about. If we want to use the absence of scum-to-scum conversation as proof of Townieness, and I´m not sure we should, then it only makes WBG look a little more Town, neither risk nor Nisani have had long talks with DB.
:3
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 13:49 GMT
#1558
Indeed, but Nisani has literally nothing.

The optimal play here is to lynch Nisani and risk, we'll win for sure if we do that. If you lynch me the game is 50/50. Quite literally.

If you honestly believe I'm scum and I somehow had the foresight to fake hours and hours of conversation with DB and jcarl then go ahead and vote me, but I'm gifting you all the opportunity to win the game by lynching through nisani/risk and it would be rude not to accept it.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 11 2011 13:56 GMT
#1559
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
October 11 2011 14:08 GMT
#1560
I don´t care about what is rude, I care about our chances. If we are able to exclude one as a confirmed Town, our chances go up to 100%, if we mess up the confirming, then we loose, so unless you have a sure way to confirm yourself, risk or Nisani, then I can´t remove you from the list of possible lynches. And yes, I´m still open about who to lynch today. I´m aware that risk and Nisani lurked just like the other scum, and that my scumsensors have been going off on WBG since around the Palmar Lynch. It´s not a sure lynch, but I´d rather take quite the decent chances of winning by keeping my options open, than deciding the game now by trusting someone.
:3
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