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Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 02 2011 04:52 GMT

#875

It is like talking to a box of bricks.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 02 2011 04:57 GMT

#879

Yes that is exactly right sevryn it does make perfect sense for them to mute someone like me who is active in pms. However according to NC, curu's master plan was to bus palmar and then manipulate me. Remember curu supposedly manipulated me into lynching palmar and is now manipulating me into lynching Incognito. Soooo if this were the case why mute me? How can he manipulate me if I am mute?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 02 2011 04:58 GMT

#880

NC you claimed Curu is manipulating me friend. If so I am sure he would tell his team not to RB me. Seems pretty logical to me.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 02 2011 05:24 GMT

#885

Curu came online less than 10 minutes ago I asked him to post his logs and he did it. And I had only seen small parts of that. So uhhhh I guess he and palmar had already faked all of this just to be ready for this scenario? Holy shit what a sick plan!

And if anyone wants it here is my logs with palmar
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[9/28/2011 4:38:09 AM] Mig: palmar
[9/28/2011 4:38:12 AM] Mig: you are mafia arent you
[9/28/2011 9:16:03 AM] Palmar: in xlv?
[9/28/2011 9:16:09 AM] Palmar: no, town
[9/28/2011 9:17:03 AM] Mig: likely story
[9/28/2011 9:17:06 AM] Palmar: I'm blu pyro
[9/28/2011 9:17:07 AM] Palmar: wait
[9/28/2011 9:17:12 AM] Palmar: are you playing?
[9/28/2011 9:17:14 AM] Mig: yes
[9/28/2011 9:17:17 AM] Palmar: derp
[9/28/2011 9:17:26 AM] Mig: I have no idea if I should believe that or not lol
[9/28/2011 9:17:45 AM] Mig: lol you just claimed dt
[9/28/2011 9:17:54 AM] Palmar: if you're mafia
[9/28/2011 9:17:58 AM] Mig: nah I am town
[9/28/2011 9:18:02 AM] Palmar: fuck
[9/28/2011 9:19:09 AM] Palmar: if you're town
[9/28/2011 9:19:13 AM] Palmar: help me figure this out
[9/28/2011 9:19:16 AM] Palmar: oh wait
[9/28/2011 9:19:18 AM] Palmar: I got it
[9/28/2011 9:19:24 AM] Palmar: I'll just pm obvious townies that you know my role
[9/28/2011 9:19:40 AM] Palmar: meant to say something in the thread, but that's as good as claiming I have a role
[9/28/2011 9:20:27 AM] Mig: lol if you are actually dt that is great
[9/28/2011 9:20:33 AM] Palmar: anyway, is the thread worth reading?
[9/28/2011 9:20:43 AM] Mig: first 3 pages no
[9/28/2011 9:21:00 AM] Mig: actually everything but the end of page 12-13
[9/28/2011 9:21:02 AM] Mig: is worthless
[9/28/2011 9:21:04 AM] Palmar: I saw a bunch of people wanted to lynch me so I just went afk
[9/28/2011 9:22:17 AM] Mig: I have no idea if I should trust you or not
[9/28/2011 9:22:35 AM] Palmar: I know I should trust you
[9/28/2011 9:22:40 AM] Palmar: shouldn't
[9/28/2011 9:22:54 AM] Mig: yea thats fine it doesnt really matter whether you do or not
[9/28/2011 9:23:05 AM] Mig: if you are actually pyro its too late for you to decide
[9/28/2011 9:23:06 AM] Palmar: now you claim bitch
[9/28/2011 9:23:15 AM] Mig: I dont actually know if you are pyro
[9/28/2011 9:25:23 AM] Mig: the sick thing is you didnt realize we were both mafia in ace's game so maybe you are just careless enough to really not know?
[9/28/2011 9:25:43 AM] Mig: but on the other hand I know that you know that along with would you really not look at the player list if you were dt
[9/28/2011 9:25:46 AM] Mig: and just insta claim to me
[9/28/2011 9:26:10 AM] Palmar: good analysis.
[9/28/2011 9:26:15 AM] Palmar: I'm checking you night 1.
[9/28/2011 9:26:30 AM] Mig: lol
[9/28/2011 9:26:34 AM] Mig: lolol
[9/28/2011 9:27:07 AM] Mig: you are such a troll I really don't know what I should believe I guess I will be able to tell hopefully with how you play rest of the day
[9/28/2011 9:28:04 AM] Palmar: I don't intend to actually play
[9/28/2011 9:28:09 AM] Palmar: just pm people a bit
[9/28/2011 9:28:39 AM] Mig: k that sounds about right for mafia palmar
[9/28/2011 9:29:29 AM] Palmar: why even bother?
[9/28/2011 9:29:34 AM] Palmar: you're gonna murder me n1 anyway
[9/28/2011 9:29:43 AM] Mig: lolol
[9/28/2011 9:30:13 AM] Mig: sick story for not giving any effort
[9/28/2011 9:30:36 AM] Palmar: I mean, why do you bother trying to analyse me
[9/28/2011 9:31:36 AM] Mig: well that's a good question considering I expect to die n1 and I probably wouldn't try to lynch you/curu unless I was really sure but
[9/28/2011 9:31:39 AM] Mig: in the off chance I survive
[9/28/2011 9:31:55 AM] Mig: best that I know
[9/28/2011 9:32:20 AM] Palmar: wish I was a vigi, I'd just shoot you n1
[9/28/2011 9:32:21 AM] Palmar: just in case
[9/28/2011 9:33:03 AM] Mig: if you are actually town you should put effort in
[9/28/2011 9:34:14 AM] Mig: but I doubt you are town
[9/28/2011 9:34:14 AM] Palmar: I'm just gonna play exactly like in lotr
[9/28/2011 9:34:20 AM] Palmar: seems to be a good way to be not shot
[9/28/2011 9:34:37 AM] Mig: like even if you were disinterested I can't imagine you would be that careless
[9/28/2011 9:36:03 AM] Palmar: yeah you're no fun, and probably scum anyway
[9/28/2011 9:36:18 AM] Mig: lol
[9/28/2011 9:36:34 AM] Palmar: I'm gonna go see if jackal wants to talk to me
[9/28/2011 9:36:48 AM] Mig: he claimed mute in thread
[9/28/2011 9:37:12 AM] Palmar: oh, I thought he just didn't wanna talk to tnkted
[9/28/2011 9:37:15 AM] Palmar: and db
[9/28/2011 9:37:18 AM] Palmar: because of bads
[9/28/2011 9:37:19 AM] Mig: rofl
[9/28/2011 9:39:17 AM] Palmar: why does wbg think he's the shit?
[9/28/2011 9:39:34 AM] Mig: that's a good question
[9/28/2011 2:01:15 PM] Mig: palmar you make me sad that you are mafia
[9/28/2011 2:01:25 PM] Mig: I have no one to talk to
[9/28/2011 4:39:29 PM] Palmar: how about your team?
[9/28/2011 4:39:40 PM] Palmar: do they not want to talk with you?
[9/28/2011 4:39:49 PM] Palmar: Where is curu?
[9/28/2011 4:39:53 PM] Palmar: with lotr
[9/28/2011 4:39:56 PM] Palmar: did I die? win?
[9/28/2011 4:46:47 PM] Palmar: why does jackal think wbg is scum?
[9/29/2011 2:21:37 AM] Mig: you won lotr n
[9/29/2011 2:21:44 AM] Mig: now you should put effort into XLV
[9/29/2011 2:22:01 AM] Palmar: yay me!
[9/29/2011 2:22:03 AM] Palmar: jackal is scum
[9/29/2011 2:22:13 AM] Palmar: incog possibly too
[9/29/2011 2:22:20 AM] Palmar: curu possibly too
[9/29/2011 2:22:30 AM] Palmar: and probably some newbie/newbies
[9/29/2011 2:23:27 AM] Mig: hm hm
[9/29/2011 2:23:36 AM] Mig: wbg tho doesn't this look like he is overreacting so hard
[9/29/2011 2:23:41 AM] Mig: in lotr when a couple people voted him
[9/29/2011 2:23:44 AM] Mig: he didn't flip out
[9/29/2011 2:23:48 AM] Mig: he has posted literally like 30 times
[9/29/2011 2:23:56 AM] Mig: because of 2 votes on him
[9/29/2011 2:24:01 AM] Mig: in lotr he was calm and cool about it
[9/29/2011 2:24:11 AM] Mig: knowing there wasnt a real case there
[9/29/2011 2:24:11 AM] Palmar: "calm and cool" lol
[9/29/2011 2:24:16 AM] Mig: well
[9/29/2011 2:24:19 AM] Mig: in comparison
[9/29/2011 2:24:20 AM] Mig: to this
[9/29/2011 2:24:27 AM] Mig: where he went off the deep end
[9/29/2011 2:24:30 AM] Mig: to explode with 500 posts
[9/29/2011 2:25:37 AM] Mig: I agree with your point about jackal claiming mute being something he would do as mafia
[9/29/2011 2:25:43 AM] Mig: I told curu the same thing yesterday
[9/29/2011 2:25:43 AM] Palmar: yah, but it just seems counter-intuitive
[9/29/2011 2:25:54 AM] Palmar: like all he's doing is dragging suspicion onto himself
[9/29/2011 2:26:28 AM] Mig: well yea but you have to remember he is hot headed and new he isnt going to play 100% correctly as mafia
[9/29/2011 2:27:53 AM] Palmar: have you read his filter?
[9/29/2011 2:28:02 AM] Mig: I just read pages 16-20
[9/29/2011 2:28:24 AM] Palmar: Thing is, I don't think he's good enough to do what he's doing
[9/29/2011 2:28:43 AM] Palmar: he's not confident enough to be mafia and yet say "Well then vote me bitch" or "I dare you establish why I'm scummy"
[9/29/2011 2:29:38 AM] Mig: yea I noticied that line but once people do vote for him he freaks out
[9/29/2011 2:30:06 AM] Mig: doesnt that contradict with the attitude he is trying to display
[9/29/2011 2:31:04 AM] Palmar: are you scum?
[9/29/2011 2:31:28 AM] Palmar: he's the easy wagon, it's never the easy wagon.
[9/29/2011 2:32:22 AM] Mig: it is the easy wagon sometimes if someone outs themself but I haven't voted yet either I am still trying to figure out what is right
[9/29/2011 2:33:10 AM] Mig: and "easy wagon" he has 2 votes on him right now jackal has 3
[9/29/2011 2:35:21 AM] Mig: meh this sucks having just you and curu to talk to where is fucking syllo
[9/29/2011 2:35:33 AM] Palmar: lol
[9/29/2011 2:35:52 AM] Mig: like both the things you and curu tell me are vague and tell me basically nothing
[9/29/2011 2:36:04 AM] Palmar: he's scum
[9/29/2011 2:36:13 AM] Mig: yea he says the same about you
[9/29/2011 2:36:15 AM] Mig: great help
[9/29/2011 2:37:03 AM] Mig: where is the normal jackal defense btw when people call him out and he is scum doesnt he usually just completely blow them off
[9/29/2011 2:37:07 AM] Mig: and tell them to kiss his ass
[9/29/2011 2:37:23 AM] Mig: all his reponses to wbg were perfectly rational from his viewpoint
[9/29/2011 2:37:36 AM] Palmar: They have to be
[9/29/2011 2:37:59 AM] Palmar: after all, he's actively trying to get WBG lynched (which is to be honest a big green factor in my wbg book).
[9/29/2011 2:38:28 AM] Palmar: I'm not too sure what to read into incog's post
[9/29/2011 2:38:36 AM] Palmar: I guess it's a non-issue as lynching him day 1 would be dumb
[9/29/2011 2:38:53 AM] Palmar: he's good enough to reveal his alignment through simply posting
[9/29/2011 2:39:07 AM] Palmar: and lynching him case he's scum and not just lazy is not optimal
[9/29/2011 2:39:36 AM] Mig: incog'
[9/29/2011 2:39:50 AM] Mig: posts are fucking worthless
[9/29/2011 2:39:50 AM] Palmar: yeah, talking about incog
[9/29/2011 2:39:59 AM] Palmar: yes
[9/29/2011 2:40:13 AM] Palmar: But I don't wanna lynch him over it
[9/29/2011 2:40:25 AM] Mig: well obviously cant
[9/29/2011 2:40:34 AM] Mig: he added me on aim I havent had a chance to talk to him yet
[9/29/2011 2:40:40 AM] Palmar: I don't know
[9/29/2011 2:40:44 AM] Palmar: I can lynch a lot of people
[9/29/2011 2:40:48 AM] Mig: but hopefully tomorrow will get some clue
[9/29/2011 2:40:50 AM] Palmar: when I put my mind to it
[9/29/2011 2:40:58 AM] Mig: well I meant in terms of correct play
[9/29/2011 2:41:03 AM] Palmar: yeah
[9/29/2011 2:41:06 AM] Mig: I cant im agine it ever being right to lynch incog day1
[9/29/2011 2:41:06 AM] Palmar: of course.
[9/29/2011 2:41:13 AM] Palmar: yep, my point exactly
[9/29/2011 2:41:21 AM] Palmar: I'm actually trying not to be a dick in the thread this game
[9/29/2011 2:49:45 AM] Mig: man tho your initial reasoning for voting jackal
[9/29/2011 2:49:46 AM] Mig: so awful
[9/29/2011 2:50:01 AM] Mig: in ace's game all of jackals posts where he votes someone
[9/29/2011 2:50:04 AM] Mig: he says like half a sentence
[9/29/2011 2:50:12 AM] Mig: he voted wbg by just posting a picture
[9/29/2011 2:50:24 AM] Mig: and you use that as reasoning to vote for him and then use lotr meta as proof
[9/29/2011 2:51:49 AM] Mig: pretty much the worst meta argument I have ever seen just blatantly incorrect
[9/29/2011 2:52:04 AM] Palmar: read the other posts
[9/29/2011 2:52:15 AM] Mig: I just read all of his wbg and your posts again
[9/29/2011 2:52:36 AM] Mig: but all the reasons you actually listed in thread to vote jackal
[9/29/2011 2:52:39 AM] Mig: are straight incorrect
[9/29/2011 2:53:23 AM] Mig: like you went back to lotr to get that post of his to make your meta argument against jackal
[9/29/2011 2:53:27 AM] Mig: wouldnt you have also checked ace
[9/29/2011 2:53:30 AM] Mig: s
[9/29/2011 2:53:31 AM] Mig: game
[9/29/2011 2:53:35 AM] Mig: which just happened as well
[9/29/2011 2:53:59 AM] Palmar: I forgot that game, I also checked resurrection where he was scum
[9/29/2011 2:54:03 AM] Palmar: same thing, no informatino
[9/29/2011 2:54:16 AM] Mig: what
[9/29/2011 2:54:29 AM] Palmar: the point of it is he's stopping the flow of information
[9/29/2011 2:54:37 AM] Palmar: the meta argument is just to back it up for the newbies
[9/29/2011 2:54:45 AM] Mig: so you checked resurrection which is like 3 weeks old
[9/29/2011 2:54:52 AM] Mig: but ignored the game that just ended
[9/29/2011 2:55:01 AM] Mig: and forgot it wtf jackal was alive at the end
[9/29/2011 2:55:08 AM] Mig: we discussed at length about it
[9/29/2011 2:55:20 AM] Palmar: was jackal alive at the end in smg?
[9/29/2011 2:55:32 AM] Mig: he was the last person shot before game ended
[9/29/2011 2:55:36 AM] Palmar: I was scum in smg, I never actually read the threads when I'ms cum
[9/29/2011 2:55:45 AM] Palmar: so I didn't remember that one
[9/29/2011 2:56:30 AM] Mig: solid
[9/29/2011 2:56:35 AM] Mig: real solid
[9/29/2011 2:56:48 AM] Palmar: yeah, you're actively trying to stretch points
[9/29/2011 2:57:35 AM] Mig: k
[9/29/2011 2:58:08 AM] Palmar: can't tell if you're just putting on pressure to try and figure out if I'm scum, or if you're preparing to make a scummy-ass case against me
[9/29/2011 3:00:39 AM] Mig: I can't imagine you being town and not being able to tell my alignment right now
[9/29/2011 3:01:48 AM] Mig: we have played in enough games at this point I can't see how you would have doubts
[9/29/2011 3:04:27 AM] Palmar: That's so flawed
[9/29/2011 3:04:32 AM] Palmar: if I'm scum I already know your alignment
[9/29/2011 3:04:40 AM] Mig: well no shit
[9/29/2011 3:04:49 AM] Mig: but obviously you feign that you don't
[9/29/2011 3:05:21 AM] Palmar: but I'm town, and you're being terribly wrong about my motivations. Like you saw me do exactly the same thing to dropbear in xliv, where I take a simple meta argument and turn it into a case
[9/29/2011 3:05:37 AM] Mig: I saw you do the exact same thing day1 in personality
[9/29/2011 3:05:48 AM] Mig: where you made a terrible and incorrect meta argument against kurumi
[9/29/2011 3:06:00 AM] Mig: and I wanted to call you out as scum then but
[9/29/2011 3:06:03 AM] Mig: your other posts were good
[9/29/2011 3:06:06 AM] Mig: and I forgot about it
[9/29/2011 3:06:31 AM] Mig: but believe me I remembered it after
[9/29/2011 3:06:37 AM] Palmar: yeah
[9/29/2011 3:07:19 AM] Palmar: but about your alignment, aside from being wrong on almost every front (wbg scum, me scum, jackal town) I think you're town
[9/29/2011 3:07:35 AM] Palmar: btu I don't know if you're just being lazy or thick
[9/29/2011 3:08:03 AM] Mig: I am clearly not being lazy and everyting I have stated has been factually correct
[9/29/2011 3:08:18 AM] Mig: I havent stated whether wbg or jackal are scum yet
[9/29/2011 3:08:36 AM] Palmar: yes, but you're ignoring evidence that doesn't suit you, and you're using evidence that works for your point of view
[9/29/2011 3:08:47 AM] Palmar: you're bending evidence to fit the case, not bending the case to fit the evidence
[9/29/2011 3:09:01 AM] Mig: no I am not retard I don't have a case yet
[9/29/2011 3:09:10 AM] Mig: thats the entire point of talking to you is I am trying to make up my mind
[9/29/2011 3:09:12 AM] Palmar: Well you're acting like one
[9/29/2011 3:09:44 AM] Palmar: You say you read Jackal's filter.
[9/29/2011 3:09:56 AM] Palmar: he's basically ignored me and continued to focus on his interactions with bum
[9/29/2011 3:10:08 AM] Palmar: the best defense of jackal in the thread is that incog says both the wagons are terrible
[9/29/2011 3:10:30 AM] Palmar: which is going to be highly likely to be right regardless of incog's alignment
[9/29/2011 3:10:42 AM] Mig: huh
[9/29/2011 3:10:53 AM] Mig: if it's highly likely to be right why are you so certain of jackal
[9/29/2011 3:11:29 AM] Mig: but yea I can agree with that statement
[9/29/2011 3:11:31 AM] Palmar: because I think I'm more often right than incog
[9/29/2011 3:11:33 AM] Mig: concerning incog saying that
[9/29/2011 3:11:44 AM] Palmar: but that's the only big thing that's made me second-guess myself
[9/29/2011 3:11:50 AM] Mig: but that maybe putting incog on too high of a pedastal
[9/29/2011 3:11:54 AM] Palmar: yep
[9/29/2011 3:12:01 AM] Mig: he was incorrect and mislynched day1 on pypi
[9/29/2011 3:12:23 AM] Palmar: Well let's put it this way, he'd definitely say exactly that as mafia
[9/29/2011 3:12:30 AM] Palmar: but we can't lynch him today
[9/29/2011 3:12:38 AM] Palmar: he'd probably also say something similar as town
[9/29/2011 3:12:47 AM] Palmar: and then it comes down to whether or not I think he's right
[9/29/2011 3:12:54 AM] Mig: right
[9/29/2011 3:13:13 AM] Palmar: and until jackal's defense is something more than an omgus on wbg I'm not convinced he's right
[9/29/2011 3:14:08 AM] Palmar: but the chances of him being right are still significantly higher than most other people in the game
[9/29/2011 3:17:54 AM] Mig: yea its a really good point
[9/29/2011 3:18:41 AM] Palmar: you scum?
[9/29/2011 3:19:01 AM] Palmar: well here's wifom for you
[9/29/2011 3:19:10 AM] Palmar: I'm gonna check if incog burns tonight
[9/29/2011 3:19:20 AM] Palmar: at this rate, at least.
[9/29/2011 3:19:54 AM] Palmar: I don't think curu actually needs to be checked, he'll give himself away soon enough
[9/29/2011 3:21:19 AM] Mig: that would be useless
[9/29/2011 3:21:29 AM] Mig: what are the odds incog is mafia and not the gf
[9/29/2011 3:21:41 AM] Palmar: good point
[9/29/2011 3:27:55 AM] Palmar: ok just talked to curu he's scum.
[9/29/2011 3:28:14 AM] Palmar: and he's taking a page out of cheesekid's book, it's generally safe to tunnel me as people always think I'm scum
[9/29/2011 3:28:14 AM] Palmar: check it
[9/29/2011 3:28:23 AM] Palmar: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11570450
[9/29/2011 3:28:40 AM] Palmar: this is interesting, like you can say my argument against jackal and defense of wbg is bad
[9/29/2011 3:28:47 AM] Palmar: but this post actually comes before any of that.
[9/29/2011 3:29:16 AM] Palmar: I had actually said nothing in the thread before this post
[9/29/2011 3:29:31 AM] Palmar: asked people to add me on skype and said that I could ignore the game for a while.
[9/29/2011 3:30:28 AM] Mig: ok but so what we both know that curu trolls at the beginning as town/scum what do you take that post as serious
[9/29/2011 3:30:39 AM] Mig: he didnt vote for you he didnt make a case against you
[9/29/2011 3:30:44 AM] Mig: why are you looking so hard into nothing
[9/29/2011 3:31:03 AM] Mig: I think curu is shady on skype but that post is a throwaway joke comment
[9/29/2011 3:31:05 AM] Palmar: if he was trolling
[9/29/2011 3:31:12 AM] Palmar: why does it still apply'
[9/29/2011 3:31:13 AM] Palmar: ?
[9/29/2011 3:32:08 AM] Mig: you just gave like 6 reasons for why a 6 word comment makes curu scum
[9/29/2011 3:32:18 AM] Palmar: yeah?
[9/29/2011 3:32:29 AM] Palmar: and you actually have a problem with that?
[9/29/2011 3:32:45 AM] Mig: I have a problem with it being pointless its null
[9/29/2011 3:32:53 AM] Palmar: I figured out tnkted was town on 1 single word in cosmic horror mafia
[9/29/2011 3:33:07 AM] Palmar: and I forced a no-lynch to safe him, on 1 word.
[9/29/2011 3:33:17 AM] Palmar: it's the little things that give mafia away man
[9/29/2011 3:33:20 AM] Palmar: not the big stuff
[9/29/2011 3:33:40 AM] Mig: well agree to disagree I always try to look at cases as a whole
[9/29/2011 3:33:48 AM] Mig: instead of tunneling in on 1 single aspect
[9/29/2011 3:34:02 AM] Mig: curu is shady on skype and putting 0 effort into the game
[9/29/2011 3:34:22 AM] Mig: but him giving a throwaway line about you being scummy is nothing
[9/29/2011 3:34:34 AM] Palmar: Not when it's basis for tunneling later on
[9/29/2011 3:34:49 AM] Palmar: like, technically it could be bait and switch tactic, like I've sometimes done myself
[9/29/2011 3:34:58 AM] Palmar: but it doesn't look like he's actually refining
[9/29/2011 3:35:08 AM] Palmar: or working on his case, or actively seeking another one
[9/29/2011 3:36:43 AM] Mig: it's obvious he isn't trying but that comment doesnt show anything it is just curu being useless
[9/29/2011 3:37:54 AM] Palmar: well he still has the day to post a bit
[9/29/2011 3:38:10 AM] Palmar: Why are you putting so much emphasis on it being just that one comment
[9/29/2011 3:38:16 AM] Palmar: at the time, the comment was completely harmless
[9/29/2011 3:38:26 AM] Palmar: it's what he does after it that needs to be looked at
[9/29/2011 3:38:57 AM] Palmar: when the comment gives him an excuse to just keep tunneling without putting in any effort, without submitting reads
[9/29/2011 3:39:10 AM] Palmar: like, he comes back today with another one "I still wanna lynch Palmar"
[9/29/2011 3:39:38 AM] Palmar: yeah, I'm actually just going to switch my vote to Curu.
[9/29/2011 3:41:08 AM] Mig: I don't think curu plans out things as scum where he randomly says you are scummy so he can tunnel you later
[9/29/2011 3:41:39 AM] Palmar: no I don't think that was actually his plan
[9/29/2011 3:41:40 AM] Mig: but right now I think both of you are scummy
[9/29/2011 3:41:45 AM] Palmar: I just think it played out that way
[9/29/2011 3:41:50 AM] Palmar: and he seized the opportunity
[9/29/2011 3:42:00 AM] Palmar: he knows you think I'm scummy
[9/29/2011 3:42:19 AM] Palmar: so there is no reason for him to even consider it
[9/29/2011 4:04:54 AM] Palmar: so curu is confirmed scum now
[9/29/2011 4:05:10 AM] Mig: how
[9/29/2011 4:05:18 AM] Mig: I am seeing it the other way around actually
[9/29/2011 4:05:25 AM] Palmar: meh
[9/29/2011 4:05:28 AM] Mig: if he is mafia
[9/29/2011 4:05:36 AM] Mig: why did he post saying immediately that his role pm was all black
[9/29/2011 4:05:41 AM] Mig: unless he had a sample town pm
[9/29/2011 4:05:50 AM] Palmar: mine is all black btw
[9/29/2011 4:05:52 AM] Palmar: but yeah
[9/29/2011 4:06:09 AM] Mig: well yea I cant really believe that since you are saying it now but curu claimed it right away
[9/29/2011 4:06:23 AM] Palmar: yah whatever
[9/29/2011 4:06:35 AM] Mig: lolol poor palmar
[9/29/2011 4:08:56 AM] Mig: just curious how exactly did it ever make curu confirmed mafia?
[9/29/2011 4:09:13 AM] Palmar: because he wouldn't jump something so obvious if he wasn't looking so hard at it
[9/29/2011 4:09:34 AM] Palmar: if the mafia role pm actually had a red color in it
[9/29/2011 4:09:39 AM] Palmar: I'm going to murder kurumio
[9/29/2011 4:09:40 AM] Palmar: lol
[9/29/2011 4:10:16 AM] Mig: if he posts a red one pretty much 0% chance you don't get lynched
[9/29/2011 4:10:56 AM] Mig: I am trying to consider scenarios where you and curu could both be town now but curu seems really town unless he had a copy of the townie pm from kurumi beforehand
[9/29/2011 4:11:15 AM] Mig: I can't imagine he would claim in thread mine was black if he were mafia unless he knew for sure townies also got black
[9/29/2011 4:12:32 AM] Mig: and really the fact that instead of saying that you immediately went omg curu is scum
[9/29/2011 4:12:38 AM] Mig: makes you look ridiculously bad
[9/29/2011 4:21:14 AM] Palmar: BLU Pyro
BLU PyroMmhmhmhmhm p! Phphp ahah dishshhpners hherhe!

Alignment Detective. Spychecks people. They either burn or not. Thus, Pyro is given result BLU or RED. RED Spy comes back as BLU unless framed.
[9/29/2011 4:21:35 AM] Palmar: anyway
[9/29/2011 4:21:38 AM] Palmar: I'm off
[9/29/2011 4:22:19 AM] Mig: cya
[9/29/2011 4:22:29 AM] Palmar: please tell me
[9/29/2011 4:22:42 AM] Palmar: that this is the way he formatted all the messages
[9/29/2011 4:22:43 AM] Palmar: if not
[9/29/2011 4:23:00 AM] Palmar: I'm just going to break a rule and get modkilled
[9/29/2011 4:23:07 AM] Mig: yea it is mine is a straight copy/paste from the op
[9/29/2011 4:23:14 AM] Mig: similar to that
[9/29/2011 4:23:30 AM] Palmar: well it isn't a straight copy paste
[9/29/2011 4:23:32 AM] Palmar: you scum?
[9/29/2011 4:23:45 AM] Palmar: it has BLU Pyro twice in it
[9/29/2011 4:23:47 AM] Palmar: at the top
[9/29/2011 4:23:57 AM] Mig: oh you are right
[9/29/2011 4:23:59 AM] Mig: ok mine isnt like that
[9/29/2011 4:24:06 AM] Mig: mine is literally a completely straight copy
[9/29/2011 4:24:59 AM] Palmar: yeah I'm fucked, nice. (I actually thought he had pulled all the roles, and then pasted shit because mine is worded that way, I used it in the analysis post to try to confirm my role message as correct).
[9/29/2011 4:25:10 AM] Palmar: like first he pasted role name
[9/29/2011 4:25:14 AM] Palmar: then copy pasted all
[9/29/2011 4:25:30 AM] Palmar: don't point it out if yours isn't like that
[9/29/2011 4:26:37 AM] Mig: kurumi just said pms are in the op
[9/29/2011 4:27:45 AM] Mig: oh but red pyro if formatted similar to your pms lol
[9/29/2011 4:28:25 AM] Mig: that makes you look even worse
[9/29/2011 4:28:33 AM] Palmar: what?
[9/29/2011 4:28:45 AM] Mig: RED Pyro
RED Pyro is known for hit and run tactics. He will choose his victim and attack him from behind, then run away, leaving him to the after burn damage.
[9/29/2011 4:28:59 AM] Mig: red pyro is the only one that repeats the name
[9/29/2011 4:29:27 AM] Mig: if you yourself were the red pyro
[9/29/2011 4:29:40 AM] Mig: you could very easily have thought that was how the blue pyro would be formatted
[9/29/2011 4:30:18 AM] Palmar: that doesn't even make any sensr
[9/29/2011 4:30:23 AM] Palmar: anyway, said I'm off
[9/29/2011 4:30:28 AM] Mig: k cya
[9/29/2011 1:37:35 PM] Mig: if you are actually dt
[9/29/2011 1:37:39 PM] Mig: I will literally never forgive you
[9/29/2011 1:37:53 PM] Mig: it will be on the same level as aces game if you had cost us teh victory
[9/29/2011 3:05:35 PM] Mig: haha!
[9/29/2011 3:05:38 PM] Mig: death to palmar!

Palmar put up a pretty decent effort to convince me curu was scum. And like I said curu/palmar are fucking lazy as mafia. Anyone who has played with them in games should know this. You guys honestly think they both went through this ridiculous effort to fake so many things just for a day1 bus? I mean really?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 02 2011 05:46 GMT

#889

Yea I would just like to point out look at curu's mafia games in MLP, WaW2, XLIV Curu practically never busses. In fact he goes to extremes to save his teammates such as when he hard defended me repeatedly in XLIV. So if you want to use the argument that palmar busses how about the fact that Curu virtually never does?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 02 2011 06:37 GMT

#895

Lol Ken calm friend I am the one who told curu that you always bus your teammates hella hard. In RTM and in XLIV you bussed all your teammates asap lol. So I told him you were probably scum. I could certainly be wrong tho I won't claim to know 100% you are mafia.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 02 2011 07:40 GMT

#897

Hey my apologies for insulting sevryn. I was out of line and acting like a dick.

But everyone should take a little time and read my logs with palmar. There is probably 500 lines of dialogue there. Unless I spent hours and hours and hours faking debate and then also bussed Palmar day1 I am virtually guaranteed to be town. Obviously you shouldn't blindly follow what I say because I could still be wrong. But at least take the time to read my thoughts because at least you know I am town and not mafia trying to mislead you.

Now look at the evidence against Curu. It is incredibly weak and awful. Most of it is pure conjecture that he formed some master plan to bus palmar day1 when literally curu has never bussed his teammates ever as mafia. At most it proves that Curu may not be 100% confirmed townie but considering everything else he is easily very very likely townie.

Look at all the evidence that he is innocent - Playing history, chat logs with palmar, me being rbd after claiming to him, etc.

Now consider this Curu was 1 of the 2 main people who killed a scum day 1! Why the fuck are you trying to kill someone who killed a scum 1 day later? Do you lynch someone who shoots a scum the very next day? He is a good player and and very trusted by some townies mafia has to kill him or he will end up catching them. If he is somehow alive day 4 or 5 then sure take a second look at him but why the fuck are you trying to kill someone who killed a scum right now? Just because you are "hoping" he bussed Palmar day1? That is unbelievably dumb we should be killing people who haven't helped the town not people who actually killed scum!

So look at the mountain of evidence that shows Curu is innocent, look at the fact that he just yesterday killed a scum and look at the fact the only person who is even close to a confirmed townie is on his side. While the people targeting him (Incog, and NC are shady).

Do not lynch Curu now it would be an unbelievably huge mistake. It is fine if you don't trust him completely and you keep him under watch but man killing someone who is very likely town and killed a scum yesterday is just so so so bad.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 02 2011 08:21 GMT

#898

Right now I am very very suspicious of both NC and Incognito. You guys are both much better than this, you should know the Curu lynch is not proper play. I know for a fact you guys can not be 100% sure Curu is scum. If Curu is town he is incredibly likely to be shot by mafia. So why the fuck are you pushing him now after he lynched palmar instead of someone else? And I know NC is well aware of this look at this quote from a PM he sent me.

From: NotChezinu [ 47 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: mafia
Date: 10/1/11 02:09
I really wish you had saved your incog case till the morning, now if he is town mafia won't shoot him.

I am sure you will respond with well your case was during the night which is different. And to an extent I agree but really if Curu is town he will be killed by the mafia its just a matter of time. So why the rush to kill him now? Especially when there is no way you are even close to 100% sure?

I really find it so hard to believe that you guys think the Curu lynch is correct. I mean you say you want to kill curu for pushing mafia agendas???!? He lynched scum day1 wtf! Just what does he have to do to not push mafia agendas in your eyes?

Oh also did you guys even consider that Palmar was their pyro? If mafia chose to bus someone why the fuck did they choose their pyro?? Why not bus a goon??? A normal bus wasn't enough had to kill off their kp as well? I mean do you guys really believe mafia would bus their own kp day1?

I really cannot believe that both of you can have overlooked this many things. 1 of NC/Incognito is guaranteed scum and may have influenced the other but it is very likely they are both scum.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 02 2011 08:34 GMT

#899

The more I think about it the more I am amazed at just how awful your case against Curu is. I mean really mafia bussing their own kp on day1? When in the history of mafia has that ever happened?

I cannot possibly believe that you guys are this bad as town.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 02 2011 19:00 GMT

#926

Yea I am very very suspicious of both NC and Incognito. I mean they went through this huge effort to make that giant case but they don't support it at all? They don't respond to any of the points brought against it? Feels a lot like giving up to me. Although there is still 3 hours before lynch.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 02 2011 21:27 GMT

#934

30 min until lynch and NC/Incognito still not around. Lynch looks pretty good. I would expect Incognito to at least come in and give us his read if he were town.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 02 2011 22:16 GMT

#940

Why did incog not even show up to defend himself whatsoever? Or at least contribute with some reads before dying. Really really poor effort.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 02 2011 22:50 GMT

#945

Anyway obviously unfortunate but we move on and reconsider all possibilities.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 03 2011 08:27 GMT

#964

Ok I have had several people already role claim to me. And I think we should do a mass claim. If you doubt that I am 100% town again read these logs between me and palmar and ask yourself if they sound fake at all and if the 2 of us would really spend that many hours faking it. I will not tell anyone else what you claim to me.

+ Show Spoiler +

If for whatever reason you still have your doubts then don't claim but I believe everyone should claim even if you are vanilla, so that I can organize the blues for tonight and I can take a look at any suspicious claims.

There is a good chance I will die tonight now that a medic has died so this is the last opportunity we will have to do this.

I requested roleclaims from erandorr and forumite before. I gave them a set of options 1-9 that listed all the roles, including vanilla, (numbers randomized) since they were mute and whichever number they picked was their role claim. I will send similar pms to scamp and sinani since they have already claimed mute.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 03 2011 10:34 GMT

#967

You didn't scamp but lucidity did I believe.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 03 2011 11:20 GMT

#970

I don't remember why I thought lucidity was mute. But that's the impression I am under.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 03 2011 21:43 GMT

#973

I am not as sure as I was about NC being scum once Incognito flipped town. Since town was dead set on killing Incognito why did he organize and put so much effort into lynching Curu? Seems weird. But then again I don't really understand why he trusted Incognito so fully, the Curu push like I have said was just completely awful , and he has completely disappeared for the last 40 hours. So meh he could be scum still but I definitely am not as certain as I was before.

Here are my reads for everyone

People I am very sure are town

Curu
Erandorr
kenpachi

Likely town

supersoft
wbg

Unsure

Forumite
nisani
risk.nuke
sinani
Scamp

Scummy

NC
DropBear
Sevryn
Jcarl

The top 3 I am very sure of 90%+ that they are town. WBG and supersoft I am probably like 75% town on. Any of the rest of them could potentially be scum.

For today's lynch I would probably focus on NC and Jcarl. But it would be fine to pressure any of the people I have on the uncertain and lower list.