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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On September 27 2011 10:55 OriginalName wrote: I literally just had one of the worst mondays of my life. Ive read up. Aww, your best buddy Kita is here for you <3 Unless of course you decide to want to lynch me. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On September 22 2011 19:39 Cyber_Cheese wrote: These people were on both Errandor and Jackal's wagons at days end, and in my opinion are therefore people we should be wary of: -Radfield -kitaman27 -OriginalName -TranceStorm -Drazerk Of which, Radfield is dead and Drazerk is very likely a medic, so I'm comfortable with a lynch on the middle three if it's not Palmar today Im going to list my reasons to vote Palmar once more, because I believe he was one of the scum behind the bus Let's start with Palmar confirming himself: Pre DocH being modkilled- On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote: In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it. We need to keep an eye on syllo... yarly. chaoser is also very likely town. I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... Post iGroks death- On September 25 2011 22:24 Palmar wrote: seriously wtf rayn, I'm confirmed town now. I'm not scummy Now keep in mind that iGrok was more than likely bussed At this point, go through Palmar's filter and look at just how sure he was that iGrok was mafia, correct or otherwise. It's amazing how he's working only on meta that he refuses to contrast to iGroks current play. On iGrok's meta however- On September 22 2011 02:49 Palmar wrote: I already stated it... day 1 of some mafia game by Ace. It's really not relevant anymore since he claimed an anti town role. Then he claimed a medic save (no medic in their right mind would save him at that point). On September 22 2011 05:51 iGrok wrote: I'm awake now, and I've calmed down a bit. First: Palmar, you try to meta me from a game I was BLUE. Dumb. Now, some of you don't get why I claimed. So look at it from my perspective. You have a check. You have a oneshot unblockable kill. If you get the ring, you become bulletproof. If you get the ring, you're fucking set, and you become a town-aligned Bullet-Proof Vigilante with a bonus check. I doubt mafia have a SECOND unblockable shot, it died with Sauron. Which means I really am unkillable by mafia, which makes me town-aligned. I'll prove it. I'm not listening to syllogism or Palmar. However, syllogism, who do you think is the most town - I'll let them pick. Fair compromise? This is so similar to the Protactinium situation chaoser - but its better for town, and thats why I thought it would work this time. On September 18 2011 04:01 TranceStorm wrote: I suppose we've decided to defer discussion on the ring until later in the game. That's fine, but I would like to point attention to someone who did catch my eye: This is iGrok's only contribution to the thread at the moment. Having played with iGrok in one game before, he was much more active at the beginning of the game and tried to reason his votes better than this (he was godfather though haha). Nevertheless, I would love to hear more from you, iGrok about your thoughts about what is going on. Currently, he seems to be slipping by relatively unnoticed. So apparently iGrok's 'meta' wasn't even relevant from the beginning what? For now my votes staying on Palmar. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
@rayn, yesterday I agreed to switch to igrok if we ensured chaoser would be next in line. Do you still plan to vote for him? Based on curu's response, it seems pretty likely that Draz is indeed the medic. Is he a town medic? I'm not so certain. The thing that continues to bug me is why in the world would he decide to protect igrok on day one, when he had only posted a bunch of one-liners. On top of that, why would he role claim in order to try and save who he thought was a third party. After syllo's day vig shot, there was a 95% chance that iGrok was going to get lynched because there was no way a survivor claim could survive a shot. The fact that he was willing to make his role public in order to help confirm the claim of a player who wasn't town is weird. He explained he did it because he thought he was going to get shot, which was also weird. If I had to pick one person most likely to be scum, it would probably be him. @jcarl, who would be your top two lynch candidates today? @ON, why did you claim a VT Arwen? If you knew iGrok is lying or fishing for roles, what was the purpose of revealing your identity with relatively no pressure? @GGQ, heist, TranceStorm: Thoughts? Ideally, I'd like to read through all three of their post filters to try and differentiate them, but I really have to get to bed. I'll try tomorrow morning. All three of them need to start sharing their opinions though. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 27 2011 12:49 kitaman27 wrote: @jcarl, who would be your top two lynch candidates today? Right now, I'm suspicious of Drazerk, and slightly on ON. I can't shake the feeling that Palmar is scum, something just doesn't feel right with it. But that may just be because of his dumb play days 1 and 2, so I'm trying to ignore it for now in case I'm just holding onto something meaningless. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
You make a good point about chaoser. As far as my opinion goes he is clearly either SK or what he claims to be. I dont see a senario where scum killing radfield would be a good move for them over killing a town member. One interesting thing i noticed about iGrok is that he is suspicious of both prp and radfeild right off the bat, both of whom he later shot. This could be him setting the stage for his fake claim later, but i think it is more likely, from that evidence, that he was a townie voicing his opinions, and acted upon them. just something to keep in mind. Also, the fact that he claimed his shots, and the nature of flavor text on death, will let us know who exactly he killed, something I think the SK would be very against doing. What is your opinon on Heist Kitaman? | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
I'm very confused about the votes for kitaman. Kitaman has proven that he has some form of a tracking role and that generally associates itself with a town-aligned role. I don't think its likely at all that mafia would have a tracker who can tell who else can kill. I agree with the assessment that chaoser is a 3rd party killer due to the suspicious nature of his role claim and because he eventually shot Radfield (no one counter-claimed him). I'm not even sure if he has denied that role. Given our experience with people who have been '3rd parties', I'm rather more inclined to bumping them off rather than uncertain players. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
kitaman on iGrok: iGrok claims third party. Kitaman says "Don't kill him, give him strict instructions and if he doesn't follow them, lynch him." iGrok proceeds to not follow said instructions. kitaman never gets on his case and votes for me first and only changes later to iGrok. kitaman on chaoser: I claim I killed a mafia and have not only the breadcrumbs to back it up but also no one counterclaims. I never claim third party. "His powers don't make sense as a townie, he's third party, lynch him!" What do you think about the discrepancies between these two reactions? Also, kitaman says "Town benefits by extending the game as long as possible. The fact is, removing his kp extends the game, gives our information roles an extra opportunity to get off a check, and avoids a near game ending mislynch if we don't agree on a mafia target." Firstly, my KP has already been removed from the game; as long as mafia has roleblock, they can use it on me. If I really was third party, which apparently only kitaman and not the mafia team can see (Radfield already said to town he thought I was 3rd party btw), you'd think mafia team would LOVE for me to use my KP to weed out town since at this point mafia are on the backfoot (3 dead mafia in 4 days) and I would obviously shoot townies. Secondly, no one (aside from me) knows whether I HAVE KP or not. I never said I was a compulsive vigi and it can be seen in supersoft's flip that roles with restrictive KPs exist. So kitaman's argument about "extending the game" falls flat on its face. Finally, kitaman says this: "just look at his response to the igrok claim on day two, where he clearly is promoting a third party agenda by arguing that it is a waste to lynch Serial Killers." If I actually was a serial killer, why would I want to keep another SK alive? We obviously can't win together since SKs need to be the lat man standing to win (This is generally how it's always worked on TL Mafia.) Unless we were a team, which we aren't since iGrok flipped mafia, SK would never push for a "keep SKs alive!" platform for OTHER SKs. Faulty logic will serve as your downfall kitaman. I should have gotten you lynched or shot in XXXIX. I'll be sure to do it this game. I repay all my debts. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: @TranceStorm kitaman on iGrok: iGrok claims third party. Kitaman says "Don't kill him, give him strict instructions and if he doesn't follow them, lynch him." iGrok proceeds to not follow said instructions. kitaman never gets on his case and votes for me first and only changes later to iGrok. kitaman on chaoser: I claim I killed a mafia and have not only the breadcrumbs to back it up but also no one counterclaims. I never claim third party. "His powers don't make sense as a townie, he's third party, lynch him!" What do you think about the discrepancies between these two reactions? Oh its a discrepancy alright, but I still can't reconcile his 'tracking' ability with that of a mafia player. Furthermore, the Kitaman on iGrok quote came when Radfield was busily roping us along to divert the lynch from iGrok to Jackal. I myself fell into a similar state where on one day I was thinking "oh great, we can control iGrok" to saying "iGrok cannot live any longer". Apparently kitaman also has the ability to check whatever action a person did during the night as implied by his quote here: The person I checked did not perform a kill last night. I won't say whether or not they performed a different action, because there is no reason to give scum information about who might be blue or vanilla townie. I'd give him leeway for the time being. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On September 25 2011 03:26 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Bottom line first, of course it's suspicious, that doesn't make it impossible. That claim wasn't one of the things that convinced me, because it likely was convenient lie. I wouldn't even put it past him to have found the real Saruman and lied about who rather than be forced out of that information so far from the lynch. Chaoser attacked the person who was leading the town best, The fact Radfield flipped scum doesn't necessarily excuse that. I'm not sure about iGrok's reasoning, but learning he could be blocked changed things. The rest of the difference between the two of them in my eyes is related to their claims. Chaoser used a claim that sounded relatively safe, but had many mistakes like Boromir as a neutral party when he was party of the fellowship and a 'win with town' victory condition. iGrok's is nothing near safe and is relatively more believable. Cyber_cheese has defended iGrok throughout the game. Both chaoser and iGrok made suspicious remarks in their claims that were pointed out. However, chaoser has the saving grace of having shot Radfield (no one has counter-claimed) yet Cyber_Cheese says its a better idea to knock off chaoser and has earlier argued for 'controlling' iGrok as well. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Oh its a discrepancy alright, but I still can't reconcile his 'tracking' ability with that of a mafia player. His proclaimed "tracking ability" is the ability to apparently see if someone killed that night but not who they shot. I have never seen this type of ability before in TL Mafia and when looked at from the perspective of the rest of the dead blue roles in this game (Two jacks, one of which could day vigi, a two-shot vigi that could get a shot returned to him if he killed a mafia, and a vigi that could technically shoot once every night cycle) his power seems a little underwhelming and makes no sense no? Here's what I think happened. 1) Obviously the mafia team thinks I'm third party as per Radfield's quotes 2) The mafia team saw that a kill had happened that wasn't their own (Radfield is dead) and Kitaman goes out on a limb and asked me if I had killed that night since they think I'm SK and obviously an SK would want to kill every night. 3) He claims he tracked me but doesn't say to who. That last point is the sticker. If you think my role powers don't make sense for a blue then clearly a gimped tracker in a game full of imba powers makes no sense. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On September 27 2011 14:31 TranceStorm wrote: @chaoser Both roles make no sense at all to me. But your point 2 would mean that the mafia team would have taken a very very bold gamble. I suppose that kitaman hasn't revealed all of his abilities and is intentionally being mum about them (as you are at times). I'd rather vote for Cyber_Cheese who committed the same fallacy that kitaman did, but without the 'tracker' claim. The iGrok fake Third Party claim when he only had 3 vote on him was a bold gamble. This team of mafia is full of vets if you think about it. Radfield, and DrH make up two very very good vet players. Just by looking at their interactions with each other in thread and one can see that they interact every much, they interact very naturally, and they are all at each other's throats, both bussing and also supporting different members at the same time. It's safe to say that they're all playing a crazy bold game of mafia. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On September 27 2011 14:27 chaoser wrote: Kitaman has yet to name his role like he asked me to. Would giving the name of your character really be that advantageous to mafia? Also, I find it interesting that kitaman basically claimed a blue role on Day 3 and yet mafia didn't kill him, instead going for a kill on supersoft, someone that they didn't know was blue or not. Why let a tracker, even a gimped tracker survive, especially someone like kitaman who is a decent vet town player survive? One track on a mafia pulling off a kill would immediately fuck them over. He did claim that his role was "Madril, Ranger of Ithilien". But the supersoft dying instead of him is very fishy. Not even getting a roleblock seems to be very suspicious for a player who is the only player who has revealed that he has the ability to identify (somewhat) who the mafia are. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On September 27 2011 14:37 TranceStorm wrote: He did claim that his role was "Madril, Ranger of Ithilien". But the supersoft dying instead of him is very fishy. Not even getting a roleblock seems to be very suspicious for a player who is the only player who has revealed that he has the ability to identify (somewhat) who the mafia are. If kita is scum, then so is chaoser – only way I can rationalize both claims. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Kitaman has yet to say what people he tracked. There is absolutely no harm in saying whom he tracked, as he can choose not to reveal if they performed any action or not. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On September 27 2011 14:15 TranceStorm wrote: Anyways, if you are looking for a discrepancy in terms of players who defended iGrok while they wanted chaoser dead, then look at this quote here: Cyber_cheese has defended iGrok throughout the game. Both chaoser and iGrok made suspicious remarks in their claims that were pointed out. However, chaoser has the saving grace of having shot Radfield (no one has counter-claimed) yet Cyber_Cheese says its a better idea to knock off chaoser and has earlier argued for 'controlling' iGrok as well. I noteably didn't want to kill either, I just wanted to kill the one who claimed to have more kp first. I stick by Palmar being our best lynch. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: kitaman on iGrok: iGrok claims third party. Kitaman says "Don't kill him, give him strict instructions and if he doesn't follow them, lynch him." iGrok proceeds to not follow said instructions. kitaman never gets on his case and votes for me first and only changes later to iGrok. Nope, on day three I wanted you both lynched. Quit trying to argue how I favaored one over the another. On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: kitaman on chaoser: I claim I killed a mafia and have not only the breadcrumbs to back it up but also no one counterclaims. I never claim third party. "His powers don't make sense as a townie, he's third party, lynch him!" Your powers don't make sense as townie, you are third party, and we should lynch you  On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: Firstly, my KP has already been removed from the game; as long as mafia has roleblock, they can use it on me. If I really was third party, which apparently only kitaman and not the mafia team can see (Radfield already said to town he thought I was 3rd party btw), you'd think mafia team would LOVE for me to use my KP to weed out town since at this point mafia are on the backfoot (3 dead mafia in 4 days) and I would obviously shoot townies. Hey look, chaoser is admitting it would be the optimal play right now for a Serial Killer to shoot townies. Lets lynch him. On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: Secondly, no one (aside from me) knows whether I HAVE KP or not. I never said I was a compulsive vigi and it can be seen in supersoft's flip that roles with restrictive KPs exist. So kitaman's argument about "extending the game" falls flat on its face. Yep, pretty sure you DO HAVE A KP. You already were forced to claim that you shot twice. Don't bother responding with your "restriction" nonsense. On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: If I actually was a serial killer, why would I want to keep another SK alive? We obviously can't win together since SKs need to be the lat man standing to win (This is generally how it's always worked on TL Mafia.) Unless we were a team, which we aren't since iGrok flipped mafia, SK would never push for a "keep SKs alive!" platform for OTHER SKs. As long as iGrok was alive, he would always be ahead of you in the lynch queue. Sounds like a good deal for a bulletproof serial killer. Sorry, but your time is up. On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: Faulty logic will serve as your downfall kitaman. I should have gotten you lynched or shot in XXXIX. I'll be sure to do it this game. I repay all my debts. Oh rly? You're going to try to kill me because I was scum in A DIFFERENT GAME? That's nice and relavent. On September 27 2011 14:22 chaoser wrote: Here's what I think happened. 1) Obviously the mafia team thinks I'm third party as per Radfield's quotes 2) The mafia team saw that a kill had happened that wasn't their own (Radfield is dead) and Kitaman goes out on a limb and asked me if I had killed that night since they think I'm SK and obviously an SK would want to kill every night. 3) He claims he tracked me but doesn't say to who. lol quote of the night. This is why you can't trust a serial killer. They only care about survival and will attack whoever is the biggest threat to them. I did not go out on a limb. I saw you kill someone. I did not ask you if you shot anyone, I asked you who you shot. There were around 20 players left in the game. How in the world would I have known it was chaoser if I had not tracked him. You're starting to get desperate. On September 27 2011 14:27 chaoser wrote: Kitaman has yet to name his role like he asked me to. Would giving the name of your character really be that advantageous to mafia? Also, I find it interesting that kitaman basically claimed a blue role on Day 3 and yet mafia didn't kill him, instead going for a kill on supersoft, someone that they didn't know was blue or not. Why let a tracker, even a gimped tracker survive, especially someone like kitaman who is a decent vet town player survive? One track on a mafia pulling off a kill would immediately fuck them over. Yes, I have. Immediately after my claim. You know supersoft was a mafia kill? Is that a slip? On September 27 2011 18:04 Pyo wrote: If kita is scum, then so is chaoser – only way I can rationalize both claims. Nope, I'm town. chaoser is serial killer. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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