On September 26 2011 22:12 Pyo wrote:All this nonsense about whether Drazerk really protected someone or not feels like a distraction. Same with lending any weight to the cryptic messages. "JCARL IS UGLUK" was a lie, so trusting this new message seems silly, not to mention, how would scum know that there's another scum team, in fact, how would anyone know?
So let's get back on track of finding someone to actually lynch:
Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 18:59 Archon_Toilet wrote:
OriginalName was pretty clearly the mafia's alternative bandwagon to iGrok. I'm pretty comfortable with him being a townie.
Meh, this is WIFOM at best. The way I saw it, ON being named by iGrok meant that he likely really is scum, probably even Saruman. At the time he made the claim, out of 17 total votes there were:
iGrok - 9
Palmar - 2
OriginalName - 2
If I were mafia, I would totally name Saruman in that situation. If the accusation got ignored and iGrok was lynched anyway, Saruman would gain a shit ton of town cred for being accused by scum, while if the bandwagon really did form, then iGrok's nonsense would have been "confirmed." Either way, scum gain a "confirmed not mafia" status for one of them.
Throw on top of there, the fact that scum were trying to bus/cast doubt on iGrok from the get-go:
radfield challenging iGrok -
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11428489and again -
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11446904and again -
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11457496This was part of the reason why I was so inclined to believe iGrok in the first place. I mean it was radfield who was the first to really cast doubt on iGrok in the first place. To me this screams that iGrok was meant to flip, so as far as I'm concerned anything that we'd normally interpret from iGrok's lynch is probably the opposite of what we'd normally learn. In this case, it means that OriginalName really is scum.
Also for what it's worth, supersoft voted for iGrok and flipped town, and I can assure you that I'm town. Dunno about heist or cheese, but just because we didn't bandwagon on iGrok doesn't mean we're scum.
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Now I don't know if I'm gonna be able to convince anyone of OriginalName being scum at this point, so I'll try to make a case for one of the other likely scum: GGQ
If we look at DrH, radfield, and even iGrok, one thing that you'll notice is their exceptionally high level of activity and thread presence (in the case of iGrok, I'm referring to how he stood out with regard to his claim rather than his actual thread activity). This strikes me as somewhat odd for a scum team, which leads me to believe that the remaining scum have been and are actively lurking in the thread. The first name that comes to mind in this regard is GGQ.
So what has GGQ done this game?
1. said iGrok was scum (but given radfield was also doing the same, it's a null read)
2. then responds when radfield asks iGrok to kill GGQ in the thread (the scum conversations in this game so far are really weird, yall should check them out, lol)
3. calls out chaosers weird claim
4. questions why heist started accusing ON
5. says that everyone who tried to save iGrok yesterday is scum
So what's so weird about that? Well aside from it not being a whole lot, there's the fact that aside from iGrok, he's never really taken a stand against anyone else at all in the game. He's barely given any analysis either. That in and of itself should scream that he could be scum, but let's throw on some meta as well...
The last time I played a game with GGQ (mafia XL), first of all he was infinitely more helpful to town, and second, he was double hit night 1 by an iGrok(GF)-led scum team. GGQ's town meta was so strong that iGrok made sure he died night 1 - pretty ridiculous eh? Well in this game, despite GGQ's correct identification of iGrok as scum on day 1, he's still alive and kicking. Kind of weird, right?
A lot of that is WIFOM and/or meta, which isn't the most reliable, but the fact that there really isn't anything else to go on in terms of deciding whether he's town or not is a pretty significant concern in and of itself. GGQ is really strong player, why isn't he contributing more?
TLDNR: I still think ON is scum, but I'm highly suspicious of GGQ as well.
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