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Forumite
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 14 2011 13:32 Curu wrote: chaos13 went from super convicted and huge walls of text on Forumite to "he's not going to get lynched today" (huh, there wasn't even any other candidate, what made you say that?) to voting for me with a complete blanket reason that he declines to explain or respond to me about. Yeah, cause everyone was voting for Forumite, of course he was gonna get lynched. Go back and read the reactions to it. For the most part it was either completely ignored or ineffectual, I think sevryn and one other voted for him. This post is why I'm voting for you On September 14 2011 11:50 Curu wrote: How are we supposed to be able to tell his alignment? It's the first day, you shouldn't be sure of anyone's alignment. Are you sure of someone's alignment? It's not a lynch lurker policy. It's a lynch-the-player-I-know-will-be-the-most-Anti-Town-regardless-of-alignment wagon and that's sinani. Normally I would be in favour of lynching a scummy read rather than a policy one but sinani took it to ridiculous levels. Just a snapshot of how his play makes me feel. Because you don't care whether he is town or scum. I would have voted you for this regardless of who you were attacking. If you think you've caught scum by attacking sinani, think again. Chances are everyone involved in this are town and scum are sitting back and laughing at it. Now take a step back, re-read, and figure out if you still think sinani is scum. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
Forumite (0) DroneAllDay (1) 6-Dreamflower tnkted (1) 8-wherebugsgo Greymist (0) OriginalName (0) Sinani206 (3) 9-Greymist 10-Curu 16-Forumite Curu (3) 13-chaos13 14-nisani201 15-sinani206 Dreamflower (0) Abstaining (Modkills) (5) Lucidity Sevryn DroneAllDay Jackal58 tnkted | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 13 2011 22:15 tnkted wrote: Eh, I'm not buying the forumite lynch. His initial statements were pretty lame, but he's been acting like an unjustly accused town since then. I want to shift town conversation back to Greymyst. Now I wanted to wait until after the nightpost to say this, but jackie beat me to it. This is a crazy scummy post. Its sheepy, and its a poor attempt to blend in with everyone, etc. His response to the pressure everyone gave him was this: Okay, lets look at the appeals he makes here. He doesn't try to defend his scummy post at all; instead he appeals to the emotional ("Would you rather I didn't post at all?") and then basically restates his first sentence. This is NOT how you react to pressure. A true townie would read their post and either say, "That wasn't scummy at all!" Or they'd defend themselves and explain what they meant. Greymyst did neither. Oh, and then the rest of his posts are all about the d1 post and the clues it might contain, which successfully shields him from having to hunt for scum. ## Vote Greymyst Namely the first line. I read that and went "Yeah, he kinda has", but after going over those posts again, he's probably scum. Take a look at tnkted's case here. I'd be willing to say he's a better town player than this. I don't have time to make a full analysis of him right now and I probably won't anyway since we need a majority to lynch. So vote Forumite. ##unvote ##Vote Forumite | ||
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Forumite
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On September 14 2011 13:32 Curu wrote: tnkted and dreamflower, I'd like your thoughts on DroneAllDay and Lucidity. ... tnkted has kept his vote on me because ON was a lurker. I'm obviously not lurking. Offer up some more thoughts, on me or whoever else because you don't have that excuse anymore. Fair enough, You certainly haven't been lurking. ##Unvote My thoughts on DroneAllDay: I don't think he's posted since the day started, which means he's probably going to get modkilled. Perhaps he hasn't checked his pms in awhile? Either way, I think he's going to get himself dead without anybody's help (@Dreamflower: This is one of the main reasons NOT to lynch lurkers; they tend to get themselves modkilled anyway and we waste a lynch). My thoughts on lucidity: his post analyzing dreamflower was extremely interesting because it was well done. I don't know if I agree with his conclusions, but his method was very effective: It paraphrased the important aspects of dreamflower's post, and interpreted them in order to understand what dreamflower was really talking about. THIS is a good way to find scum. Now, why he chose dreamflower and nobody else is kind of interesting; Dreamflowers scumhunting abilities are so legendary (for me anyway) that I have a hard time believing she intended to come across as scummy as she did. I want to hear her response before I vote for her. Also interesting to note is that lucidity didn't actually vote her himself; he's also waiting for a response. For what it's worth, right now dreamflower is my #1 vote but I'll abstain until she shows up to defend herself. Eh, what the hell. I can always change it later. ##Vote: Dreamflower I have no self control. Now, to deal with some mindless accusations: On September 14 2011 21:08 chaos13 wrote: Just did a little re-reading myself. I have two main suspects. Forumite and tnkted. This post was the reason I backed off on Forumite Namely the first line. I read that and went "Yeah, he kinda has", but after going over those posts again, he's probably scum. Take a look at tnkted's case here. I'd be willing to say he's a better town player than this. I don't have time to make a full analysis of him right now and I probably won't anyway since we need a majority to lynch. So vote Forumite. ##unvote ##Vote Forumite Frankly, this is a complete nonsense post. "Tnkted makes a good point about forumite not being scum, which convinced me, but later, i changed my mind and now I think he's scum too!" WHY did you change your mind when what I said made sense to you? Go find me evidence where he stopped acting like an annoyed townie and more like a frightened scum, and I'll consider switching to you. Please post a case against me instead of just throwing out soft foses. You think people don't notice when you do this? | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:20 Forumite wrote: I´m not following this argument, Chaos13, you are saying that you distrust something tnkted said, and that makes me scum? No, when I read tnkted's post I agreed with him without actually reading things over again. Then when I did read things over again I realized I still thought you were scum. I think tnkted is scum for other reasons, and I'll leave that alone until tomorrow or another day cause right now it would just be cluttering up the thread. Not a good thing to introduce new suspects this late into a majority lynch. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:19 chaos13 wrote: No, when I read tnkted's post I agreed with him without actually reading things over again. Then when I did read things over again I realized I still thought you were scum. I think tnkted is scum for other reasons, and I'll leave that alone until tomorrow or another day cause right now it would just be cluttering up the thread. Not a good thing to introduce new suspects this late into a majority lynch. This thread couldn't be any more cluttered than it is right now. I don't follow your logic regarding tnkted and Forumite. tnkted convinces you Forumite isn't scum, then you revisit it and decide they are both scum. But you give us no reason for either of them other than I changed my mind again and I'll tell you later. ##VOTE: Chaos13 Scum play 101 dude. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
Are you saying my giant post on Forumite wasn't an explanation of why I'm voting for him? I was pretty sure I outlined it fairly well there. | ||
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DroneAllDay
United States140 Posts
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On September 14 2011 19:55 Lucidity wrote: Essentially this post served two purposes:
Lynching lurkers should be a last resort. Going after lurkers (and by lurkers she actually means INACTIVES) allows scum to not offer any opinions and simply sheep onto an easy vote. This is not an ideal situation to say the least. She discredits the cases against Forumite and Greymist, by simply saying that she doesn't like post by post analysis and that she thinks townies are accusing townies. Could you explain why you think townies are accusing townies dreamflower? You offer no reason to doubt the case based on actual discussion points. Simply "oh I'm unconvinced". Note the displeasure when she sees that someone else voted Forumite. So instead of waiting for other's opinions on the LaL strategy she proposed, she goes ahead with it to try and divert attention away from real scum hunting by voting for DroneAllDay. Look at the reasoning in that post.
She thinks his defense is inept. But somehow he does not deserve any attention. Instead she "guesses" she'll vote for DroneAllDay. Point? She's defending Forumite with no real reasoning. She puts her vote on an inactive, not a lurker. The part highlighted in red essentially explains why ON is where her vote should be. DroneAllDay is an inactive, which she doesn't want to go for. She wants lurkers, and ON is one. Yet her vote stays on DroneAllDay. She dedicates an entire paragraph to explaining why DAD is a bad vote, and then doesn't change it. Then she goes on to try and push the LaL objective. We shouldn't be lynching for information. DEFINITELY not on Day 1. We should be hunting scum. Lynching lurkers (inactives) is not scum hunting. It doesn't give us any information, which you think is important? Yet you still advocate lynching lurkers. Going after "real" targets actually DOES offer us information ito voting patterns, defenses e t c . Not that, that is our first priority, but it blows your LaL policy out of the water. tl;dr Defends Forumite and greymist with no reasoning. Pushes anti-town objective of lynching inactives instead of scum hunting. (Note that she really means inactives when she says lurkers, even though she indicated otherwise. Her posts make that clear enough.) I'm glad some one agrees with me. Off to school, be back at 9-ish EDT | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On September 14 2011 23:02 DroneAllDay wrote: Man... Fuck physics was too busy and now I'm Possibly dead (cuz that thing isn't official) sorry. But I just read the thread and just in case I'm still allowed too (I'll say why when I'm not on an ipod assuming GM let's me ##Vote:Curu I don´t expect a quick answer since it will take you a while to get current with the discussion, just wondering about your reasoning behind voting Curu. | ||
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dreamflower
United States312 Posts
To answer Lucidity's questions, the reason that I thought the cases against Forumite and Greymist seemed like a situation of "townies accusing townies" is because I don't think Mafia would stick their necks out like that and either create plans for the town or openly build cases against another player, which is what I believed Forumite and the people who accused him or Greymist were doing. My instinct is usually that Mafia like to blend in, avoid drawing suspicion, and maybe nudge the town along inconspicuously, instead of making themselves visible and thus accountable by trying to direct blues or constructing cases about people. But I have been known to be wrong about that in the past, so maybe you are right and I shouldn't have been so dismissive; I honestly don't know. My displeasure about Sevryn's post wasn't due to his vote for Forumite, but because I accused him of lurking in my post only to see that he ninja'ed me by posting and voting while I was writing. I wasn't really focused on his vote; I just felt like an idiot saying he was a lurker when he stopped being a lurker right before I said it, so I made a grumpy face. I still think trying to lynch lurkers on Day One is a good policy to follow, especially in this closed setup, but now that no one is really lurking anymore (DroneAllDay has checked in and voted; I'm going to let OriginalName/Curu off the hook for now, because it seems like ON must have been too busy to play if he needed to replace out and Curu is definitely being active; and sinani206 has posted a lot too since then), I am going to go back and reread everyone's posts. Right now, there are many accusations going back and forth, and I would like some time their quality and accuracy before placing my vote. ##unvote DroneAllDay | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
That's what policy lynches are. You yourself said that lynch lurkers happens because you can't tell lurking Townies from lurking scum, ergo lynching people playing Anti Town based on Anti Town play because it's hamrful to Town and you can't tell them apart from scum. I wanted to lynch someone for extremely Anti Town play. After my pressure, I want to lynch him for having a person soft defending him and chainsawing for him with contradictory reasoning. Note that as soon as I attacked sinani I quickly built up 4 votes against me, none of which have been able to present (3 as chaos has moved his). Nisani's reasoning has basically been "you're calling people scum, so my vote is perfect on you." sinani's reasoning has been "because you voted for me, you're scummy" and "scum like to lie low and blend in, you're doing the opposite so you're scum" and since dodged any questions. I don't even know what DroneAllDay's is supposed to be. It's pretty obvious that people are not voting me because I am doing something scummy (pushing the thread into life, pushing a lurker out of lurking, encouraging people to give information so scummy right?) but rather for the fact that I am voting sinani. This is chainsawing at its best. @Lucidity Yeah, xtfftc and WBG just tunneled me despite all evidence contrary in Ace's game too, right up until I got shot by Mafia and flipped Town. @Forumite Anger is not a scumtell. You're not seeing the parts that actually matter. Look at how ready Nisani and sinani were to gang up on me. Look at how both were willing to vote for someone else for lurking/wanting to lynch lurkers but not for each other despite them pushing the same ideas. Look at sinani's Pro Mafia mindset of "asking for information is scummy." Why does he think that? Because "asking for Town to give reads so you can blend in is scummy." He basically said that all the people I was asking are Town; if he had thought of the possibility of there being Mafia in there, he would've obviously seen that pushing them to put their opinions into the thread would help catch them. Instead he somehow knows they're all Town? Who would have that information? Hmmmm. | ||
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Curu
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Nisani201
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:36 chaos13 wrote: It can always get more cluttered. Are you saying my giant post on Forumite wasn't an explanation of why I'm voting for him? I was pretty sure I outlined it fairly well there. I don't think its a good explanation, if my ONE SENTENCE was enough to convince you that you were wrong. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On September 14 2011 23:45 Curu wrote: @Forumite Anger is not a scumtell. You're not seeing the parts that actually matter. Look at how ready Nisani and sinani were to gang up on me. Look at how both were willing to vote for someone else for lurking/wanting to lynch lurkers but not for each other despite them pushing the same ideas. Look at sinani's Pro Mafia mindset of "asking for information is scummy." Why does he think that? Because "asking for Town to give reads so you can blend in is scummy." He basically said that all the people I was asking are Town; if he had thought of the possibility of there being Mafia in there, he would've obviously seen that pushing them to put their opinions into the thread would help catch them. Instead he somehow knows they're all Town? Who would have that information? Hmmmm. I know about how nisani/sinani defend eachother and their inconsistency with Lynch-All-Lurkers, but I don´t want to assume that the only reason possible is that they are scumbuddies. Defending someone doesn´t make both of you scum, so I´m focusing on sinani only for now. I agree with what you are saying, I just don´t want to assume anything, and get hooked up on WIFOM. | ||
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Curu
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
Just some thoughts on the situation at the moment. Curu, though abrasive, has actually shown us what a true pressure vote looks like. He comes into the thread with the pretext to policy lynch sinani based on a past game's gameplay, and holy shit look at the responses and information we get to work with. I still think Sinani is our best scum target at the moment for the following reasons. Consider the similar situation at the start of the game, with Chaos13 instantly voting for jackal. in what way did jackal respond? simply with an "lol" and goes on to explain the context of that lynch in a later post. Now, in what way did sinani respond to similar pressure? He first responds by deflecting attention to dreamflower for wanted to lynch lurkers. I posted analysis already but the following post is one I am interested in. On September 14 2011 12:51 sinani206 wrote: Forumite. Curu, you're a fucking idiot by the way. I just want you to die ASAP. ##Unvote ##Vote: Curu this is pure emotion, no logic or rational exists behind this post from a town perspective. If sinani was town why not say when the vote happened to him "yea he is voting for me because I played badly in Ace's game, I will focus and do better this game." that seems much more townie to me. Here is his goodbye post from Ace's game, in which he was town. On September 12 2011 14:48 sinani206 wrote: sorry im terrible gg In this he acknowledges his play was subpar. Therefore he would know the reason that curu is voting for him at the start of this game. a town sinani would not take this as much of a threat. however a scum sinani would see this as a very serious concern. what if curu tunnels me? what if i slip up? This is the sinani we have seen this game. One that is most certainty not town aligned. | ||
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