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This game is a shitfest. I have an inclination to believe sandroba, though.
I'm on my phone right now, I'll make this short and sweet:
I've FoSed a lot of people this game, because honestly I don't know what to make of half of the behavior that's been going on. Between yesterday's bandwagons, today's inactivity/trolling/whatever and being accused of being mafia on a "scumslip," my reads are just going all over the place. I'm going to try to consolidate them today so we can lynch mafia.
Our lynch today needs to be one of bum/sinani/Palmar IMO. The problem right now obviously is that a number of our suspicions just keep avoiding the thread (like GGQ). Xt has also avoided the thread today. To be completely honest I haven't seriously considered either of these players yet because of their total lack of activity today.
Between bum and sinani I have no preference. Sinani seems to have wisened up but I really don't see why we should keep him alive.
However, I need to call particular attention to Palmar and Jackal's play; both of them TOGETHER., because people need to really consider them as linked. Think about what they've done this game.
Palmar: has basically screwed with town atmosphere both days by pushing a townie that has made slight mistakes or appears scummy/appears to be playing badly. That was Mig yesterday (where IMO Mig's play was fine, he just forgot a couple things and palmar took advantage of that) and it's me today. His argument for me being mafia is that my play is terrible, so therefore I'm mafia because apparently my play wasn't terrible before.
What the fuck? Since when is someone mafia for being terrible? Someone is mafia for making contradictions, committing strange voting patterns, and not contributing/not having the will to contribute truthfully.
Palmar has done all three of those things this game. Filter him for now; when I get on my computer in 30 minutes or so I'll clarify this more with some quotes that I remember.
As for Jackal, he's pretty much done the same thing. He keeps going on about the scumslip as if it's damning evidence that I'm mafia. He's also contributed absolutely nothing but bad town atmosphere. He took my accusation one step further though, by accusing zona and setting her up to be scrutinized as well (another waste of time)
How do I know that? Cause I'm a townie and IMO based on my BEHAVIOR that should be obvious. Both Jackal and Palmar aren't dumb enough to paint someone as mafia based on a "scumslip". Had chaos not voted me first I'm sure they would've both been cautious about it.
I'll be back soon with specific quotes and reasons for linking the two.
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Wow my bad that was neither short nor sweet rofl
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On September 12 2011 03:14 Curu wrote:
Why xt? What do you make of sinani, who hasn't done anything, or Jackal, who offers nothing but quick jumps onto other people's wagons and didn't even mention you?
I don't know what to make of sinani, I always think he is scummy despite alignment. I'm leaning towards scum here, but I've been wrong about him before.
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Ok, I believe zona's claim. If you plan on shooting me, please tell me so I can claim. If a medic didn't protect zona, then it might be worth it to claim. Don't think 2 medics are in a 15 person game.
chaos13 < Scum
Palmar or Mig
sinani206 or Jackal58
Pretty much in order of scuminess. I REALLY think chaos is scum.
On September 11 2011 02:55 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 13:04 Ace wrote:
wherebugsgo(1) - sinani206
GGQ(3) - JeeJee, chaos13, Zona
iGrok(2) - BayonnetAnderson, GGQ
TheAwesomeAll(9) - Curu, Jackal58, iGrok, sandroba, Palmar, xtfftc, bumatlarge, Mig, wherebugsgo
Mig(1) - TheAwesomeAll
Notice how GGQ is the only one of the three main candidates yesterday who is still alive? Why else do you think the bandwagon on TAA would have filled up so fast? Scum tried to deflect it onto iGrok, but when that failed went to TAA. And who was it who started the bandwagon there? Curu. Take out GGQ today. He's disappeared to try to get the heat off of him. Vig Curu tonight. ##Vote: GGQ
I really don't buy this as an actually pro-town move. I guarentee GGQ would flip town now. I'm indecisive about curu, but it has nothing to do with what ggq flips. Zona and Bayonette are town, so I think the rest of the scum team went on TAA. Medic keep protecting zona, or if hes lying and you are keeping your mouth shut for some reason, go on to bayonette. I think I'll have a more accurate list of the scum team tomorrow, seeing who gets shot and any claims. I probably won't get shot based on zona, so I guess I should thank him.
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On September 12 2011 03:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
This game is a shitfest. I have an inclination to believe sandroba, though.
I'm on my phone right now, I'll make this short and sweet:
I've FoSed a lot of people this game, because honestly I don't know what to make of half of the behavior that's been going on. Between yesterday's bandwagons, today's inactivity/trolling/whatever and being accused of being mafia on a "scumslip," my reads are just going all over the place. I'm going to try to consolidate them today so we can lynch mafia.
Our lynch today needs to be one of bum/sinani/Palmar IMO. The problem right now obviously is that a number of our suspicions just keep avoiding the thread (like GGQ). Xt has also avoided the thread today. To be completely honest I haven't seriously considered either of these players yet because of their total lack of activity today.
Between bum and sinani I have no preference. Sinani seems to have wisened up but I really don't see why we should keep him alive.
However, I need to call particular attention to Palmar and Jackal's play; both of them TOGETHER., because people need to really consider them as linked. Think about what they've done this game.
Palmar: has basically screwed with town atmosphere both days by pushing a townie that has made slight mistakes or appears scummy/appears to be playing badly. That was Mig yesterday (where IMO Mig's play was fine, he just forgot a couple things and palmar took advantage of that) and it's me today. His argument for me being mafia is that my play is terrible, so therefore I'm mafia because apparently my play wasn't terrible before.
What the fuck? Since when is someone mafia for being terrible? Someone is mafia for making contradictions, committing strange voting patterns, and not contributing/not having the will to contribute truthfully.
Palmar has done all three of those things this game. Filter him for now; when I get on my computer in 30 minutes or so I'll clarify this more with some quotes that I remember.
As for Jackal, he's pretty much done the same thing. He keeps going on about the scumslip as if it's damning evidence that I'm mafia. He's also contributed absolutely nothing but bad town atmosphere. He took my accusation one step further though, by accusing zona and setting her up to be scrutinized as well (another waste of time)
How do I know that? Cause I'm a townie and IMO based on my BEHAVIOR that should be obvious. Both Jackal and Palmar aren't dumb enough to paint someone as mafia based on a "scumslip". Had chaos not voted me first I'm sure they would've both been cautious about it.
I'll be back soon with specific quotes and reasons for linking the two.
I'm thinkin you're right or you're mafia :D
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Bum, we already have 3-4 suspects, which is too many, do you mind giving opinions on them, rather than introducing another suspect? I know we have about 9 hours left, but we *really* need to consolidate to make sure we avoid any twelfth hour bandwagons.
Sorry sandroba, but I'm not buying your explanation, even before going afk I feel like your behavior wasn't the usual town behavior I see out of you, I still think you are scum.
Bugs, I really want to see the connection you claim exists between Palmar and Jackal. I'll confess I'm somewhat suspicious of jackal due to how damn agreeable he's been, but I'm *awful* at reading him, so any insight would be good. Something is fishy with Palmar, but with all the people avoiding the thread I haven't really taken a good look at him.
Also GGQ, care to post, please? Your defensiveness day 1 already triggered some alarms, and you haven't done that much to assuage my worries. I don't know how bum concludes you are town tbh. Bum, what reasoning makes you think GGQ is town?
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Before I post it, if Zona is around, could you give a list of players you've played with before?
If Zona is a vet then it makes sense she'd get shot day 1. It would suggest there are vets who have played with Zona before on the scumteam.
Jackal stands out to me as such a possibility because of how he attacked her claim.
I'm writing it up now btw
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On September 12 2011 03:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
This game is a shitfest. I have an inclination to believe sandroba, though.
I'm on my phone right now, I'll make this short and sweet:
I've FoSed a lot of people this game, because honestly I don't know what to make of half of the behavior that's been going on. Between yesterday's bandwagons, today's inactivity/trolling/whatever and being accused of being mafia on a "scumslip," my reads are just going all over the place. I'm going to try to consolidate them today so we can lynch mafia.
Our lynch today needs to be one of bum/sinani/Palmar IMO. The problem right now obviously is that a number of our suspicions just keep avoiding the thread (like GGQ). Xt has also avoided the thread today. To be completely honest I haven't seriously considered either of these players yet because of their total lack of activity today.
Every post you make has a different "list" You're not consolidating shit.
On September 12 2011 04:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Before I post it, if Zona is around, could you give a list of players you've played with before?
If Zona is a vet then it makes sense she'd get shot day 1. It would suggest there are vets who have played with Zona before on the scumteam.
Jackal stands out to me as such a possibility because of how he attacked her claim.
I'm writing it up now btw
I have never to my knowledge played with her before. And if we're tracking connections I'd say you and Zona are joined at the hip.
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On September 12 2011 04:29 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 03:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
This game is a shitfest. I have an inclination to believe sandroba, though.
I'm on my phone right now, I'll make this short and sweet:
I've FoSed a lot of people this game, because honestly I don't know what to make of half of the behavior that's been going on. Between yesterday's bandwagons, today's inactivity/trolling/whatever and being accused of being mafia on a "scumslip," my reads are just going all over the place. I'm going to try to consolidate them today so we can lynch mafia.
Our lynch today needs to be one of bum/sinani/Palmar IMO. The problem right now obviously is that a number of our suspicions just keep avoiding the thread (like GGQ). Xt has also avoided the thread today. To be completely honest I haven't seriously considered either of these players yet because of their total lack of activity today. Every post you make has a different "list" You're not consolidating shit. Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 04:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Before I post it, if Zona is around, could you give a list of players you've played with before?
If Zona is a vet then it makes sense she'd get shot day 1. It would suggest there are vets who have played with Zona before on the scumteam.
Jackal stands out to me as such a possibility because of how he attacked her claim.
I'm writing it up now btw I have never to my knowledge played with her before. And if we're tracking connections I'd say you and Zona are joined at the hip.
Give me your reasons for me being scum, then.
Oh, right because I made a "scumslip" and my reads are bad so I have a bunch of lists.
Your argument is terrible.
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Ok, enough. This is getting absurd.
CONCENTRATE FOLKS!
We need to consolidate the votes and all this arguing is getting us nowhere, seriously, I don't care about your little spats, sinani/bumatrage/sandroba/wherebugsgo(lol) are the primary targets tonight, save arguing about other people till we have a majority on someone or have at least settled on who to kill. Right now we have less than 3 votes on any candidate and we need 7. By diluting the candidate pool we are giving the mafia a huge chance to vote for someone "so we don't no-lynch". We cannot afford that. Can we *please* shelve the rest of the accusations and arguments until we have at least 5-6 votes on a single candidate? Otherwise we are going to end up lynching someone who has hardly been discussed.
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On September 09 2011 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
One of Palmar/Mig is scum methinks. IMO it might be Mig, because Palmar actually did defend townies in XLIV (I distinctly remember him giving Sevryn 0.2% chance to flip town) and he defended hiro and xt as well.
In cosmic I feel like he did the same but Palmar was alive when I wasn't in the game and I don't remember too well ATM (not quoting stuff cause I'm on my phone)
Would Mig purposely forget these things or is he just being ignorant as town? Iunno but from what I understand about his town play...neither is a likely town explanation.
Anyway, at the current lynches:
I say we keep it between TAA and iGrok. Either is an acceptable lynch to me but I'm not sold on GGQ. I'll switch off iGrok if we require lynching assistance
Is OK with either TAA or iGrok lynch
On September 09 2011 11:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
It does, actually, you ninjaed my one liner that I was about to post.
Basically I was just gonna say that one of you being scum doesn't necessarily rule out both of you being scum. Lol.
I am actually scared with how fast this TAA bandwagon has started. Are mafia really bussing him this early in the game? I haven't seen a single defense of him yet.
Begins to distance himself from the flip.
On September 09 2011 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:43 Curu wrote:I actually like TAA a lot less now because of both WBG and xtfftc. WBG has been centering on TAA as a major lynch candidate and asking us to consolidate votes on him while also trying to set me up in the case of TAA flipping Town. I have never seen him pull the stupid speculation of "if x flips Town then his accuser must be scum" in either of the games I was involved with him in. xtfftc's post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261732¤tpage=13#250Full of contradictions. He is pressing Palmar for calling GGQ a bad lynch, then goes and calls GGQ a bad lynch in the very next paragraph of the same post. Also the hedging of his vote by calling TAA possible "bad Town." Rofl, this settles it, you're scum. I have NEVER centered on TAA, the only reason I even consider TAA is because he's actually pretty close to getting lynched. I never even believed there was a proper case on TAA. I said he was SOMEWHAT suspicious and that he needs to post more. He was an acceptable lynch to me simply because everyone else thinks he's scum and everyone else here is much better than me. On September 09 2011 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote:However, I'm not afraid to have my own opinions. Watchlist: Curu, Mig, Palmar, iGrok
Does it some more. Oh lookie. Another list.
On September 09 2011 11:57 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:51 Curu wrote:
So everyone else thinks he's scum, you think everyone else is better than you, but you think I'm scum because I tricked everyone into voting for TAA. I feel TAA will flip town because the bandwagon on him started too fast. No one has been defending him. That's just weird to me. Am I sure of it? No, obviously not, precisely because everyone else seems to be so confident about him being scum. Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:51 Curu wrote:
And you go ahead and act like you're sure TAA will flip Town and start trying to assign the blame. Okay. Aww wittle Curu is doing the exact same thing he's accusing me of doing. Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:51 Curu wrote:
If you think TAA will flip Town why not try to push someone you feel is a better lynch or actually stop his lynch instead of pre-emptively trying to assign blame? Already did that, why do you think my vote is on iGrok? Also it's way too late in the day cycle to push anyone else on my watchlist. There's one hour left, if I were to switch to you/Mig then that'd split the vote. I'm willing to vote TAA but at the same time I'm unwilling because it seems to me like I'd be sheeping a townie lynch. Also it's getting me some nice reactions out of you  + Show Spoiler +but some really bad smell dude omg. It's like you've rolled around all day in dead fish or something
More "I think he's town"
On September 09 2011 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:55 Curu wrote:So explain to me how you go from this: On September 09 2011 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
I say we keep it between TAA and iGrok. Either is an acceptable lynch to me but I'm not sold on GGQ. I'll switch off iGrok if we require lynching assistance To "Curu is scum because he started the votes on TAA" before the lynch has even gone through. If you think he's an acceptable lynch clearly you think there's a decent chance he will flip scum. And yet you're acting sure now that he will flip Town. What gives? I already answered this, fishboy. I think/thought TAA is an acceptable lynch because everyone else thinks so.I realized that I was following a sheep mentality and that's why I posted my suspicion about how fast the TAA bandwagon started.
What happened here?
On September 09 2011 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote:However, I'm not afraid to have my own opinions.
On September 09 2011 12:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
##unvote iGrok
##vote TheAwesomeAll
before I forget yo
And then you apply the hammer.
You're scum Bro. The scum slip just seals the deal.
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On September 12 2011 04:51 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
One of Palmar/Mig is scum methinks. IMO it might be Mig, because Palmar actually did defend townies in XLIV (I distinctly remember him giving Sevryn 0.2% chance to flip town) and he defended hiro and xt as well.
In cosmic I feel like he did the same but Palmar was alive when I wasn't in the game and I don't remember too well ATM (not quoting stuff cause I'm on my phone)
Would Mig purposely forget these things or is he just being ignorant as town? Iunno but from what I understand about his town play...neither is a likely town explanation.
Anyway, at the current lynches:
I say we keep it between TAA and iGrok. Either is an acceptable lynch to me but I'm not sold on GGQ. I'll switch off iGrok if we require lynching assistance Is OK with either TAA or iGrok lynch Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
It does, actually, you ninjaed my one liner that I was about to post.
Basically I was just gonna say that one of you being scum doesn't necessarily rule out both of you being scum. Lol.
I am actually scared with how fast this TAA bandwagon has started. Are mafia really bussing him this early in the game? I haven't seen a single defense of him yet. Begins to distance himself from the flip. Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 09 2011 11:43 Curu wrote:I actually like TAA a lot less now because of both WBG and xtfftc. WBG has been centering on TAA as a major lynch candidate and asking us to consolidate votes on him while also trying to set me up in the case of TAA flipping Town. I have never seen him pull the stupid speculation of "if x flips Town then his accuser must be scum" in either of the games I was involved with him in. xtfftc's post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261732¤tpage=13#250Full of contradictions. He is pressing Palmar for calling GGQ a bad lynch, then goes and calls GGQ a bad lynch in the very next paragraph of the same post. Also the hedging of his vote by calling TAA possible "bad Town." Rofl, this settles it, you're scum. I have NEVER centered on TAA, the only reason I even consider TAA is because he's actually pretty close to getting lynched. I never even believed there was a proper case on TAA. I said he was SOMEWHAT suspicious and that he needs to post more. He was an acceptable lynch to me simply because everyone else thinks he's scum and everyone else here is much better than me. On September 09 2011 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote:However, I'm not afraid to have my own opinions. Watchlist: Curu, Mig, Palmar, iGrok Does it some more. Oh lookie. Another list. Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 09 2011 11:51 Curu wrote:
So everyone else thinks he's scum, you think everyone else is better than you, but you think I'm scum because I tricked everyone into voting for TAA. I feel TAA will flip town because the bandwagon on him started too fast. No one has been defending him. That's just weird to me. Am I sure of it? No, obviously not, precisely because everyone else seems to be so confident about him being scum. On September 09 2011 11:51 Curu wrote:
And you go ahead and act like you're sure TAA will flip Town and start trying to assign the blame. Okay. Aww wittle Curu is doing the exact same thing he's accusing me of doing. On September 09 2011 11:51 Curu wrote:
If you think TAA will flip Town why not try to push someone you feel is a better lynch or actually stop his lynch instead of pre-emptively trying to assign blame? Already did that, why do you think my vote is on iGrok? Also it's way too late in the day cycle to push anyone else on my watchlist. There's one hour left, if I were to switch to you/Mig then that'd split the vote. I'm willing to vote TAA but at the same time I'm unwilling because it seems to me like I'd be sheeping a townie lynch. Also it's getting me some nice reactions out of you + Show Spoiler +but some really bad smell dude omg. It's like you've rolled around all day in dead fish or something More "I think he's town" Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 09 2011 11:55 Curu wrote:So explain to me how you go from this: On September 09 2011 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
I say we keep it between TAA and iGrok. Either is an acceptable lynch to me but I'm not sold on GGQ. I'll switch off iGrok if we require lynching assistance To "Curu is scum because he started the votes on TAA" before the lynch has even gone through. If you think he's an acceptable lynch clearly you think there's a decent chance he will flip scum. And yet you're acting sure now that he will flip Town. What gives? I already answered this, fishboy. I think/thought TAA is an acceptable lynch because everyone else thinks so.I realized that I was following a sheep mentality and that's why I posted my suspicion about how fast the TAA bandwagon started. What happened here? Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote:However, I'm not afraid to have my own opinions. Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
##unvote iGrok
##vote TheAwesomeAll
before I forget yo And then you apply the hammer. You're scum Bro. The scum slip just seals the deal.
I applied the hammer because I promised I'd switch if people needed me to switch.
I trusted the rest of the town's opinions, since I've played only 2 full games. My own opinion was that TAA was not mafia.
Had I said I would've switched but I didn't switch, I would've been blamed for a no-lynch.
Had I sheeped the vote, I would've acted contrary to my own opinions, and willingly and knowingly helped lynch a townie (a scum move)
So, I did what I did; I fulfilled my promise to vote on TAA, but at the same time I provided my opinion in the case that anyone agreed with it. Clearly no one did, since no one actually switched off him. No one else tried to stop that TAA lynch.
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Also it's important to look at the TAA bandwagon because of how fast it started. That suggests it was mafia influenced (and clearly so, since he was town)
If I were mafia I wouldn't have applied the hammer, that just brings too much attention. The sweet spot is right in the middle, which is where, IMO, most mafia are when bandwagons appear. This allows them to blend in.
So, if we are to look at the TAA bandwagon, I'd say we can find 2 mafia right in the middle of the voting order.
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Alright well my current reads are very muddled, sinani needs to die badly but while I think he's likely mafia, I have a horrible fear that he's going to flip town and mafia is going to rofl at us if we waste a lynch on him. I have my vote on him as the safest lynch, but I am still considering others.
sandroba's inactivity is worrisome, yeah, but not enough to lynch for imo. His lack of contribution stands against him, but I'd prefer to wait and see if he turns it around or continues being scummy.
Mig has given me bad vibes and I'll be taking a closer look at him for a future lynch, since it's probably too late to switch gears onto him at the moment.
What really has my noodle baking atm is the Zona/bumatlarge situation. It seems to me that Zona's claim should be more polarizing than it has been. Logically, there are only two possibilities; Zona is telling the truth, or he is lying.
a) If Zona is telling the truth, we should be aware that roleblock+kill on a single target is quite unusual, afaik. Especially on night 1, that means that the mafia must have gotten a very strong read on him during day 1 to use both a rb AND a kill on the same target when he might have ended up flipping green. And a very specific read as well. There's no reason to rb+kill a dt. Either one is enough to shut down his ability. There's very little reason to rb+kill a doctor, since they can't protect themselves. If they thought Zona was a doctor, the only reason to rb him is if they thought he would protect the other person they shot. Very small chance of that. The only role that is reasonable to rb+shoot is the vigilante. It seems unlikely to me that the mafia would get such a strong read on Zona and use such measures to shut him down and eliminate him unless they did, in fact, see his breadcrumb about bumatlarge and he is, in fact, mafia. So if Zona is telling the truth, then bumatlarge is imo 99% mafia
b) If Zona is lying, then Zona is mafia. There's no reason to lie that blatantly as town
So either way, someone is mafia. Do I believe Zona? Well, honestly, it just seems unlikely that Zona would pull this kind of powerplay at this point in the game as mafia. What would he gain? A mislynch? Is he trying to save sinani/sandroba? Or just eliminate bumatlarge? Given the circumstances, I'm included to think that Zona is telling the truth.
I also find it odd that bumatlarge seems to think that Zona is telling the truth, doesn't even try to argue that he's lying or that it's unlikely that Zona would just happen to get a medic last night, but he doesnt seem to acknowledge how suspicious it makes him if Zona is telling the truth.
But I have to go, be back tonight. bum is probably mafia in my eyes.
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TheAwesomeAll(9) - Curu, Jackal58, iGrok, sandroba, Palmar, xtfftc, bumatlarge, Mig wherebugsgo
Middle band right there.
I say we can find at LEAST two mafia right there. The only one of my current four suspects that's not in there is sinani, and he just missed the vote day 1.
bum, Palmar, and Jackal are my current suspicions. I really doubt Curu is mafia, iGrok is already dead, sandroba's excuse is believable, xt is completely unreadable, and Mig/Palmar are polar opposites and I'm leaning toward Palmar being scum over Mig. I'm going to spoiler the individual analysis so I can put the Palmar/Jackal connection out there.
Palmar:
+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On September 09 2011 09:27 Palmar wrote:
there isn't much to go on with TAA, the thing is he agrees with me mig is very likely scum, it could be an attempt to distance himself or something.
But he usually doesn't lurk and one-line this hard as town. There is another thing that I'm leaning town on Bumatlarge too, so his vote on Bum makes no sense to me, I think I'm down with lynching TAA yeah. I actually like him better than GGQ, and iGrok is almost definitely not scum.
let's do it.
##Unvote Mig
##Vote TheAwesomeAll Nothing much to go on with TAA... But I'm going to vote him anyway! Palmar doesn't vote like that as town. + Show Spoiler +On September 11 2011 18:27 Palmar wrote:
Right.
I don't agree with any case on Bumatlarge, I think I've gotten a grasp on how he plays town and how he plays scum, this is almost purely based on his day 1 posting, I'm pretty sure scumatlarge doesn't play like he did on day one, so let's rule him out.
Curu is almost definitely town, thing about people going emotional is that it makes it very easy to pick out actual frustrated town, and scum trying to blend in with that atmosphere, something I'll come back to later. The only problem with Curu as town is that his reads are below his standards, but his posting is way too natural and unrestricted for him to possibly be scum.
the smurf is town too. The shot was just terrible, but the intents behind it seem genuine enough. He also seems to be putting in the effort to actually scumhunt. The shot was really fucking dumb, but I'd still defend this guy at the moment.
And Sinani206 is using the I-don't-give-a-shit attitude he sometimes dons when he plays terribly. It's terrible, but it's TOWN. I can't believe this guy is even up for lynching today, he got deflected on after WBG scumslipped like a boss faster than lightning, what the hell guys?
Zona is probably town, claims a shot. No idea why she would play a veteran like that, hasn't stuck her neck out at all this game. It's just a weird style overall, her attack on Bum is just... derp. It's a bad lynch and it's never going to fly.
I can't really say I have reads on Jackal/Chaos13. Jackal doesn't post anything useful at all, which is consistent with his scum and town meta. chaos13 looks shadier. xtf is just pushing bad lynches, but I don't know if it's bad or scum.
GGQ is kinda scummy too, but I really don't know, I think I'm fairly convinced on three people, and GGQ, Jackal, Chaos13 and xtf, could all fill that fourth spot.
First, he completely dismisses any case on bum. Wtf? Doesn't even consider it. That's really strange to me. Then he gives a bunch of town reads on obvious townies. Then, a bunch of "idk" reads on several people who would make great suspects today (jackal, chaos, GGQ, xt). because of their behavior over their past days. IMO, from a scum position Palmar is trying to get towncred with this post and at the same time throw suspicion off potential lynch targets. + Show Spoiler +On September 11 2011 18:27 Palmar wrote:
Those three people are
Mig: Pushing scum agenda day 1, flat out lying about my style of play. He's been wrong time and time again and he's again fucking wrong with sinani206. Seriously HOW FUCKING FAST did that shit get deflected away from his partner -
##Vote Sandroba Mig is mafia because he's wrong. Whoa dude, townies are wrong more often than mafia are. Just because Mig is wrong doesn't make him mafia (and I don't think he's been that wrong about a lot of things anyway) Mig has been completely right about sinani, IMO. Sinani has been active lurking all day and he was the one to actually point out how sinani has been posting in other threads while reading this one. Sinani also came back RIGHT when chaos voted me and sheeped chaos's vote on me. That's pretty scummy, I have to agree with Mig on his vote on sinani. Palmar dismisses the case on Sinani just as fast as he dismisses the case on bum. Sinani and bum are the top lynch candidates today, why would you just dismiss them both? Neither candidate has gained votes very fast, I can assure you that. The votes are split so hard it doesn't even seem like we can get a lynch off. + Show Spoiler +On September 11 2011 18:27 Palmar wrote:
- Wherebugsgo: He's basically mirroring what Curu has to say, because you'know, if townies can go raging, scum can do it too and look very green! Also did I mention that he just told us the mafia has 2kp, which basically confirms Zona's claim and also confirms him as mafia.
like it's not even done there, he has jumped two shitty town wagons today, on sinani206 and bumatlarge, based on nothing. I have a town read on both of those which makes it basically malicious derp play from wbg.
I can't believe these guys managed to talk you out of lynching him, but it's fine, since some of town seems to have gotten a decent read too. on his partner Sandroba.
Just read Bayonet's analysis. Sandroba doesn't just fucking disappear during day2, he likes to break games. On day one Sandroba just followed along with whatever town was doing instead of being the stubborn asshole he tends to be as town, which is basically ringing alarm bells in my head. I backed off Curu because I realized he was town. Also, I wasn't mirroring him, I was genuinely pissed off at the fact that NO ONE was posting. It was near impossible to gather any decent thoughts during that time. Finally, neither the votes on sinani nor bum are wagons. The vote on ME is a wagon (look at how fast those initial votes showed up, for no reason whatsoever.) If someone is voting sinani or bum, they have pretty good reason to at this point; both players have played in a fashion that is telling of mafia, in PARTICULAR sinani. Stop with the subliminal pushing of sinani and bum being town, you're full of shit on that. + Show Spoiler +On September 11 2011 18:27 Palmar wrote:
I can't believe these guys managed to talk you out of lynching him, but it's fine, since some of town seems to have gotten a decent read too. on his partner Sandroba. So here's a couple behavioral contradictions: From the looks of Palmar's post, the strongest case he has is on me. However, he votes sandroba pretty much based on the fact that most of the rest of the town suspects sandroba. He then cites Bayonnet's case on Sandroba and sheeps that case/vote without actually providing his own opinions. So, I'm scum because I've apparently bandwagoned and sheeped other people's thoughts, but Palmar can do the same thing with respect to sandroba. This is a scum double standard.
Jackal
+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On September 09 2011 06:24 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 06:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On September 09 2011 04:38 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm feeling pretty good about GGQ or iGrok, unless anyone has some serious issues with the two, I think everyone should start putting your vote on one or the other. ##unvote
##vote bumatlargeof iGrok and GGQ, iGrok is the scummiest but the case against either is pretty bad. That makes perfect sense/////////// If you're not quite sane. ##VOTE: TheAwesomeAll I encourage everybody to vote for one of these derps voting for no reason. Pick a couple and we'll consolidate. This game is pure bullshit so far. Behavioral contradiction. He encourages people to vote for "one of the derps" who is voting others for no reason, then votes for TAA for no reason.+ Show Spoiler +On September 10 2011 22:53 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 21:36 Curu wrote:
sandroba, Palmar, what are your thoughts about the game currently?
Jackal? Curu? The derp fest appears to have ended. Sandroba needs to post some more. He's not playing the townie Sandroba Palmar hasn't called everybody scum yet. That's different. Mig is calling sinani scum for being online and not voting. I'd think scum would be inclined to vote more than a townie. I know I follow games much closer when I'm scum. Mig is my favorite to lynch so far today. Isn't this a list, Jackal? Don't be a hypocrite. Look at these opinions. Mig was calling sinani scum for being an active lurker. That's EXACTLY what mafia do! His opinion on Palmar is that he's "different." His opinion on sandroba is that he needs to post more. Mig is his favorite to lynch, but he doesn't vote! He doesn't back up his accusations with a vote. In fact, his entire accusation is based on the fact that Jackal would play scum differently. Scum have varying styles, accusing Mig based on this is just retarded. + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2011 00:42 Jackal58 wrote:The only people left in this game Bugs has not FoSed. BayonnetAnderson Zona chaos13 xtfftc And to be fair he simply called Chaos stupid. Everybody else is lurking/trolling/not participating. Yet Zona/Bayonette/xtfftc haven't really said shit either. But they're not scummy. Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 19:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
LOL
So, I'm mafia because of a "scumslip."
Yeah, you're mafia. If you're going to accuse me of being mafia at least have the balls to vote me. Yes that is a scum slip. A big time scum slip. Your post claims knowledge of the fact. It wasn't an assumption. You "noticed". You weren't posing a question. You weren't hypothesizing. You weren't pondering. You were stating a fact. Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 03:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Wait what the fuck I just noticed something.
Mafia KP is 2 but only one person died last night? Who got saved? Yes sir. That is a scum slip. This guy is scum. Lynch him. Zona's claim is too convenient and much to late after the fact to be believable. Her next post also claims a RB. Bullshit. You knew that when you claimed the hit but conveniently neglected to mention it. It's only purpose is to answer a BS question from a scum buddy. On TAA Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 09 2011 11:43 Curu wrote:I actually like TAA a lot less now because of both WBG and xtfftc. WBG has been centering on TAA as a major lynch candidate and asking us to consolidate votes on him while also trying to set me up in the case of TAA flipping Town. I have never seen him pull the stupid speculation of "if x flips Town then his accuser must be scum" in either of the games I was involved with him in. xtfftc's post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261732¤tpage=13#250Full of contradictions. He is pressing Palmar for calling GGQ a bad lynch, then goes and calls GGQ a bad lynch in the very next paragraph of the same post. Also the hedging of his vote by calling TAA possible "bad Town." Rofl, this settles it, you're scum. I have NEVER centered on TAA, the only reason I even consider TAA is because he's actually pretty close to getting lynched.
I never even believed there was a proper case on TAA. I said he was SOMEWHAT suspicious and that he needs to post more. He was an acceptable lynch to me simply because everyone else thinks he's scum and everyone else here is much better than me. However, I'm not afraid to have my own opinions. Watchlist: Curu, Mig, Palmar, iGrok You sure used the hammer on him though. Lynch this guy. When he flips red then Zona. I've already gone over this one, however: Read this post carefully. Look especially at what he says about Zona. Zona's claim is 100% believable. No mafia would claim hit, roleblock, AND vig all at the same time, then show a breadcrumb. Finally, he sets me up to be a lynch target, but then follows it up by saying "lynch Zona after." Well, ladies and gentlemen, in the case you lynch me, I'll flip town, and then jackal will disappear cause he was dead wrong. He's basically trying to get you all to lynch me and then go "oh wtf now what do we do" when the link between myself and Zona proves to be nonexistent by my flip. Also, I DID FoS a lot of people and that's actually why I was pissed off, because I know that so many people can't all be mafia. I was frustrated with the way no one was posting and that made everyone look shady to me. However, since then people have posted and I've dropped my accusations on Curu, Mig, iGrok (for obvious reasons) etc. Oh and also I haven't FoSed GGQ either, he and xt are in the same boat information-wise to me.
Palmar and Jackal
There are several things that stand out. Palmar and Jackal are both pretty good players. I feel a connection.
Both players showed strong suspicions of Mig early, both of them calling him "the best lynch today" despite voting otherwise. Palmar at least voted Mig day 1, but he quickly switched off to TAA when it was obvious Mig wasn't gaining steam. Jackal made his "suspicion" of Mig very clear after the daypost, but said nothing about him before OR after. This suggests that his suspicion of Mig was probably premeditated. Look at these quotes:
+ Show Spoiler [Palmar Mig Vote] +On September 09 2011 09:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 06:20 Mig wrote:
Palmar how is iGrok opening the game with a planned vote on BA impulsive?
The iGrok defense doesn't make sense. All he did was put a vote on the smurf basically stating it is nothing and just a pressure vote. So how exactly is that putting himself out there? Also I don't know why you guys are even defending him in the first place. Did you roll scum again? Just explain to me, if you were scum, what's the mentality behind doing exactly what iGrok is doing? Why would any scum ever do what he did? He's drawing attention to himself, he's putting his neck out there with an opinion. I'd much rather look at people who are trying to skirt by with little posting and just calling out people for policies. iGrok is a bad lynch, that's an opinion, you say I don't explain it enough, that's not actually an opinion on me being scum, it's a policy. If I wrote an analysis would I cease to be scummy? You're actually playing right to your scum meta of looking for "scumtells" and trying to lynch people on them instead of thinking about it. Mig is probably our best lynch tonight, he's not this bad as town. Pushing bad lynches is mig's favourite shit to do as scum. Remember this if you have a gun tonight. I'll be voting Mig. ##Vote MigI'm gonna re-read ggq's posts, iGrok is almost definitely town, so if it comes to it I'll rather support a ggq lynch
+ Show Spoiler [Jackal Mig Suspicion] +On September 10 2011 22:53 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 21:36 Curu wrote:
sandroba, Palmar, what are your thoughts about the game currently?
Jackal? Curu? The derp fest appears to have ended. Sandroba needs to post some more. He's not playing the townie Sandroba Palmar hasn't called everybody scum yet. That's different. Mig is calling sinani scum for being online and not voting. I'd think scum would be inclined to vote more than a townie. I know I follow games much closer when I'm scum. Mig is my favorite to lynch so far today.
Both had really shitty reasons for bandwagonning TAA, when (AFAIK) neither of them are dumb enough to dismiss the fact that a bandwagon is forming on a townie. If iGrok was obvious townie to Palmar then how could he miss the "equally" obvious fact that TAA was a townie?
TAA was bandwagoned by all of us yesterday for equally shitty reasons, but the behavior of Jackal and Palmar with respect to their votes and how their suspicions have formed line up with a mafia agenda.
Both Jackal and Palmar are adamant about my "scumslip" painting me as mafia. Neither player (again, AFAIK) paints a person as mafia based on a single mistake. A player is mafia not because of what mistakes they make, but how they make them.
Both Palmar and Jackal have focused on this supposed scumslip when they should know better. And I think they do, they're just misleading us.
Finally, neither player has interacted very much with the other. Neither player has contributed anything beneficial to the town yet, and the interaction between them is very minimal. Both of these things stand out as being strange to me.
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I forgot to mention that I think our best lynch candidates are sinani and bum.
I've got my vote on bum, I believe Zona's claim. Even if she's wrong, she's put herself out there, and I really doubt mafia would do something like that.
With less than 7 and a half hours left in the day I think the Palmar/Jackal deal can develop till tomorrow. By then they will have posted more, currently I don't think pushing for one of their lynches is a productive thing to do. However, I think it's important that everyone consider them and think about their behavior and how it lines up with their agenda.
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Blow it out your wazoo bugs. My contribution is pointing out you are scum so I make no contributions. You're scum bro.
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Also love how you begin to back off Sandroba when it looks like he may be a viable lynch candidate.
You're scum bro.
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Jackal you up for killing sinani at all? Assume WBG and me aren't going to be lynched today, who's your next bet?
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