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I assume participating in this game doesn´t clash with the Werewolf Mafia game, we have other players from there in any case.
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/in I assume participating in this game doesn´t clash with the Werewolf Mafia game, we have other players from there in any case. | ||
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hastur hastur hastur... | ||
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On August 24 2011 07:23 Eiii wrote: alright I hope that made sense. One more thing: What happens if an insane doctor visits EA? EA can only be killed by a lynch, so nothing happens. On breadcrumbing, without info-roles, it´s not that usefull in this game, and is more likely to attract attention from scum and EA, or plunge us into a WIFOM swamp, than actually aid Town. I advice against it, but it´s up to the player. | ||
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On August 24 2011 21:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I'm thinking the plan to mention who we visited (even if we didn't) is better than nothing because *if* the psych happens to die there is a remote chance he did actually visit the horror That said, I'm going to kick things off and say I'm going to visit Erandorr, I advise everybody to choose someone and do the same. It´s been discussed earlier why breadcrumbs are bad, obvious posting of intent isn´t any better. Even if everyone claim they visit someone, there is information there. Either people lie, and we get WIFOM, or scum/EA picks up on it, and either attack those who are visited by many to find their enemy power-role, or stay away from those who are visited by anyone, to ensure their ability gets through. | ||
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On extension, if there are a limited number of uses, then I suggest we wait and don´t use one today, unless we are forced by not having a majority vote, because they will probably be better used in the late game. We should have about 25 hours left on the day, so there is still time to discuss this next lynch. | ||
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On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote: NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario. JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here? | ||
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On August 25 2011 02:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Alright sorry for actually mentioning visiting someone, didn't see the cons on breadcrumbing Breadcrumbing summary: The doc lies so mafia cant backtrack who healed the person they attacked accurately... so the doc cant breadcrumb The rest of town feign visiting and psych tells the truth because the psych is our best lead on finding the horror The forseen problem with that was that the EH would know who 'visited' them and if they didn't die, would know they were not worth a visit So what if town agreed to which person the psych visits anonymously? e.g. town agrees that psych should visit (I don't know, me?) and if the psych turns up dead we can assume hes (I'm in this case) the EH If players lie in breadcrumbing, then we get WIFOM and confusion. The doc can´t point at his breadcrumbs in case he is going to get lynched, so he´ll probably get lynched precisely because his breadcrumbs don´t add up with what is happening in the game. Scum and EA will analyse breadcrumbs, either getting valuable info, or a good alibi, which the Blues can´t contradict without outing themselves. It will create a mess, and we don´t want a mess. | ||
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On August 25 2011 02:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote: You've posted less, out of the two of you I'd rather ferryman based off that, and tnkted accusing me made me realise just how scummy I made myself look In my experience with SC2 mafia, only weak town roles accuse each other on day 1 because if they turn out to be wrong they're only townies So in your opinion, Wiggles and Ferryman are probably Scum? It doesn´t really add up with your earlier post, Wiggles might have few posts, but they are HUGE, he´s only posting long analysis and policy posts. Ferryman is quite active, and drew a lot of attention to himself early. If you are looking for players trying to stay out of sight, they look like very bad choices. | ||
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On August 25 2011 10:22 Navillus wrote: ##Extension, I want more time on this There were some changes, I don´t think extension is something we can vote to get, instead the day is extended by 24 hours if we don´t have a majority vote, which is currently at 7 votes on the same person at the deadline. | ||
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If at all possible, I want us to agree on a lynch within the next 7 hours. | ||
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As for me, I´m now considering Tnkted to be just as scummy as Cyber, but hiding it better. He is also a veteran player, Cyber can be excused as this is his first game, and I don´t like lynching a player on the first day in his first game. I also feel like there are more connections between Tnkted and other players, this is a weak scumtell but it´s the one thing I was missing when looking at Cyber. ##Unvote ##Vote Tnkted | ||
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On August 25 2011 20:32 Palmar wrote: I'd rather lynch almost everyone in this town than him. On August 25 2011 22:29 Palmar wrote: screw it, at least he can't call me mafia. someone hammer it so we can move on without extending the day. ##Unvote ##Vote tnkted Palmar, of all players in this game, you looked like the last one that would switch your vote, what changed your mind? | ||
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On August 25 2011 22:39 tnkted wrote: Hear, hear!I'm used to voting in a separate thread, where formatting doesn't matter as much :x On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote: Right... I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right. | ||
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On August 25 2011 23:15 Palmar wrote: What's your reasoning to believe Wiggles is town? I don´t trust the primary argument made against him. Meta is usefull, sometimes, but I don´t think it´s applicable in finding a new kind of 3rd party with an unknown optimal play, especially as the meta argument focused specifically on his first post, which wanted to start a discussion more than anything. Since then wiggles has sometimes overreacted in his defences, there might be something there, but some players has said that Wiggles is hard to read, and I´m prepared to trust that Meta more than what Ferryman brought up. | ||
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On August 25 2011 23:33 Palmar wrote: Actually, fuck it, I hate losing. Tnkted is not scum because of this tiny little exchange. Thing is, the lololo thing is too unforced, too reactive and too casual for him to possibly be scum. If he was scum, he'd know I was town and be a little more hesitant to take my "derp" as an admission of slipping up (whereas, it's real intention was to portray the silliness of the accusation upon tnkted). If he's scum he's really good scum. I don't think he'd ever do what he did there as scum. He could have pushed the same issue, trying to paint my joke as a slip, but he would have gone about it completely differently if he was scum. At first it looked like that, an easygoing joke-vote, but this dance has kept going, you and Tnkted have kept voting on eachother, and pushed weak cases, then later on backtracked to defend the other if it gets too strong. Make up your mind. | ||
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On August 25 2011 23:41 Palmar wrote: Then take a look at some of the things that have happened in the game. Wiggles decided to vote Eiii in his opening post. There is nothing wrong with randomly voting, but the fact that he felt the need to specify it was a pressure vote (through linking an awesome song by bowie/queen), shows inherent signs of guilt, and not wanting to stick his neck out. I don't even understand what the purpose of voting someone with the intent of only pressuring would be. At he point in time he threw down that vote it'd have been more sensical to go after one of the players that have posted, or to simply claim the vote on Eiii was to get rid of lurkers. There´s nothing weird about a pressure vote. Stating that it´s for pressure isn´t bad either, Eiii still has to respond, and Wiggles doesn´t have to answer to people who use that vote as an argument that he´s aggressively trying to lynch at random. I don´t find anything especially scummy about a pressure vote. Also, I like that song. | ||
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The vote ends in 5 hours, 15 minutes. Cyber_Cheese (2) Erandorr JeeJee Mr. Wiggles (3) TheFerryman Palmar Sevryn tnkted (6) chaos13 Cyber_Cheese Jackal58 Eiii Forumite Navillus Palmar (2) tnkted Mr. Wiggles | ||
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Palmar, you´ve been fairly sure about Wiggles since the start, apart from the brief vote on Tnkted which you withdrew before the deadline. Why isn´t Tnkted a good target anymore? Do you still think Wiggles is EA or do you believe Ferrymans "TRAP" and it´s suggestion that Wiggles is Scum? | ||
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If we don´t lynch then we loose a Townie, someone goes insane, we risk loosing the psychologist too, and we have 48 more hours of indecisive arguments, with the added bonus of WIFOM. If we mislynch, then at least we have SOMETHING to go on, we can look at votes and arguments, try to find connection between Scum. If we don´t lynch, then we have nothing, and basically restart the game with 8 Town, instead of 9. | ||
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On August 26 2011 22:01 Palmar wrote: So Forumite, what will it be, are you already okay with going back on your own thoughts and forcing a no lynch? Or is it better to do as you say "lynch for information". There is still an hour and a half left, I´m still having my hopes that Tnkted will get lynched. | ||
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On August 25 2011 23:46 Hesmyrr wrote: The NEW and FINAL deadline is August 26 2011 23:46 KST, which is 14:46 GMT (+00:00) 35 minutes left | ||
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On August 26 2011 23:41 Navillus wrote: Forumite, you're the only person that I know isn't lurking right now, we need a vote on wiggles, if you're town please switch it actually is much better for town if we get a lynch in, even if you don't fully support it. I allready switched, just after the last votecount | ||
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Anyway, I´ve witnessed the end of the day, but now I´m off. | ||
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The Psychiatrist didn´t die, so we can assume Wiggles is not the EA. | ||
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On August 28 2011 04:51 JeeJee wrote: are you guys being serious right now? holy shit I think we are. What do you think about that? | ||
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Except it all fit together perfectly, and that RIGHT before voting on a visit on Palmar, who just happened to be the one who got killed. | ||
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On August 28 2011 03:38 JeeJee wrote: and for god's sake it doesn't even make sense "after every period... except this one letter, but let's pretend it's good too" really? why am i even arguing this is ridiculous back to business, on chaos13 his contributions have consisted of -tunnelling tnkted -not reading the thread first, him and palmar got into a big argument, especially during the night as he just waltzed in after-deadline, voted for psych to visit ferry, but only AFTER trying to dissuade us from ... using this plan completely! Clearly, this particular variation of the plan has been checked and re-checked, and the worst case scenario has been fixed, such that it's actually a good plan. keeping in mind a townie perspective, he would have no reason to randomly say "oh btw this plan sucks lol" y'all should also remember he was a suspect of palmar. overall, not to say town=right, but palmar's reasons were good-natured and I personally agree with his conclusion, especially after knowing that. u should too. ##vote chaos13 Ignoring for a moment that it´s hard to take your argument seriously when you intentionally spelled out "Fuck You", I agree that Chaos13 isn´t helping much, I´m not so sure that makes him scum though. About directing Psych, Scum don´t want to derail the finding of the EA, Scum want to find the EA and get him lynched. It could be an EAtell, but it´s not a scumtell. The case Palmar directed at him, it couldn´t have been so strong because I don´t remember what it was about. Is there any specific scumtells you want us to consider? | ||
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On August 28 2011 08:28 Eiii wrote: I don't like lynching jeejee for a supposed 'hey guys i'm scum lol' breadcrumb in one of his posts. He says it´s a coincidence, not a joke, but as a coincidence is highly unlikely, he´s almost certainly lying. Town don´t lie, especially not about silly jokes. He doesn´t look like a Town who did a joke and was called out on it, that leaves a scum who trolled, got found out, and can´t explain it away. That´s how it looks to me. ##Vote JeeJee Anyway, where is Ferryman? I miss his big analysis posts from the first day. I´d like to hear if he´s got any recent Scumtells from Wiggles. | ||
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Tnkted pushed on Palmar in response to one weird post by him, it didn´t really have any weight behind it. Eiii jumped on it to pressure, but then nothing happened until Wiggles picked up on how Palmar was trying to save Tnkted. It never felt like a serious case, so I don´t consider Tnkted to be Town because of it. Ferryman is a new player, and impressed everyone with long posts of analysis, and reading a lot of other games to get a meta argument going against Wiggles, but it stopped, I haven´t seen much from Ferryman since the TRAP post, apart from him confirming that he still thinks Wiggles should be lynched. Maybe he just doesn´t have the energy to post long posts anymore, but he´s changed his style of play in a short time, and it looks odd. I don´t think either is a better target for a lynch than JeeJee, just pointing out that it´s too early to consider either of them confirmed Townie. | ||
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Tnkted TheFerryMan Mr.Wiggles Sevryn Jackal58 Cyber_Cheese Eiii Forumite JeeJee -wut? Navilius Chaos13 Chaos13 Mr.Wiggles Not yet Voted Erandorr | ||
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Also, I´m fairly sure Sevryn is Toww, but I don´t know what that is... | ||
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On August 29 2011 05:21 JeeJee wrote: I don't have a big reveal, who gave you that idea? I do have a bunch of final thoughts that'll probably change how you approach this game though. That combined with my flip should be enough to make all of you reconsider your stances at least a bit. Why not post it now? | ||
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On August 29 2011 05:33 JeeJee wrote: Because then they wouldn't be 'final' thoughts, silly. Well, yeah, but it´s still better for Town if you post early so we have more time to discuss those final thoughts. | ||
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On August 29 2011 07:30 Erandorr wrote: oh ##vote jeejee, completely forgot that part. looks like we might get a majority for him after all! That´s an understatement. | ||
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On August 29 2011 07:52 JeeJee wrote: You know what you guys remind me of? Hyenas eager for blood. This gives me an idea.. You haven´t given us much, if any, reason to doubt this lynch. You are acting like the textbook example of a Scum that got found out. Of course we are eager to get it over with. | ||
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You don´t think it would have been a good idea to tell us earlier!? Seriously! You are just hurting Town when you act like this. We are not going to lynch a blue who is most likely getting killed directly after claiming anyway, but you don´t give us much time to find another target. Okay, who did you check during the first night? ##Unvote | ||
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On August 29 2011 08:09 JeeJee wrote: I checked chaos13. Why do you think I'm so bent on him being an EA? I am insane now. I commit suicide at dusk, so your lynch is going to be wasted. That's why I was laughing so hard at you guys  I thought the Psychologist die immediately. Okay, if you are the psychologist and found Chaos13, why didn´t you just claim immediately after the Daypost, we could have lynched Chaos13 today, or else save the lynch on Chaos13 and look for scum today, secure that we could deal with the EA when we needed to. Even if this is all true, your play is hurting Town. | ||
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Does the Psychologist die immediately after becoming insane, or does he wait until the next daypost? | ||
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On August 29 2011 08:34 tnkted wrote: lololo guys hes obviously fucking with us He'd have claimed looong ago if he was really psych, and that stages of dying post he just made reeks of trolling Yeah, I know, he´s probably just trolling, but as there is a simple way to find out if he´s lying, I´d like to make sure. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + So true gif Talk now or after the night? | ||
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On August 30 2011 02:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, there's nothing wrong with analysis during the night, just release it a couple minutes before the day post, if you can. That way, if you get shot, your analysis still gets released, and if you don't get shot, then whatever, it doesn't hurt to have your thoughts out there. It was either post analysis now and discuss, or before the daypost. I think I´ll drop it off later. As for Psych visit, both Chaos13 and Jackal sounds like good visits. | ||
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On August 30 2011 05:16 Navillus wrote: Also stronger FOS on Forumite that unvote just seemed like an "ok guys here's a reason not to vote him let's all jump off" unvote given by a scum buddy, I did consider unvoting when he claimed because he would be certain to die anyway but only after a lot of thought which I would have brought up in any post, I also ended up deciding against it. Forumite on the other hand completely accepts what he says and tries to make it a question of "ok he's a blue what should we do now?" not "is he a blue?" It was an easy claim to go along with, because lying wouldn´t save him. Either he really is the psychologist and had found Chaos13, we didn´t get an answer from GM so we couldn´t disapprove it yet, or he´s a lying scum. If a psychologist then he dies during the next night, if he´s Scum then we lynch him the next day, but until then he might do some more scumslips and incriminate his buddies. | ||
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On August 30 2011 07:10 chaos13 wrote: I would suggest the Psychologist don't visit Jackal, precisely because he is the EA. I'm going to vote Jackal tomorrow and be pushing for his lynch, so what is the point in causing our psych to kill himself by visiting Jackal? Right... ##Visit Jackal58 | ||
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On August 30 2011 08:04 Navillus wrote: See now if you had said this back then I would find it much more believable, but you didn't you completely assumed that he was being honest and didn't even bring up the possibility of him lying. I would have told you if you had asked me. | ||
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On August 30 2011 07:56 chaos13 wrote: Explain to me how our psych visiting him is good. It doesn't kill the EA, it doesn't remove him from the game, it doesn't take away his power, and we have no way of knowing for sure if the psych actually visited who everyone voted for. It gets us a dead townie. Instead, they should visit who they think was most likely targeted last night. It´s complicated. My vote is for jackal to get a visit from the Psychologist. | ||
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I´m agreeing with Ferryman on his FoS on Chaos13, but because of an unrelated scumtell. I got suspicious of Chaos13 quite recently, with this post; On August 30 2011 07:10 chaos13 wrote: He says we should lynch Jackal without being sure, that we should trust his feel about the lynch. If Jackal is the EA, and the Psych dies finding him, then we loose a Town player. A town argument, saving a player from needlessly dying, except if the Psychologist visits Jackal and survives the night, then Jackal can´t be the EA. Chaos13 has no chance of lynching a confirmed Townie, so he tries to make sure the Psych isn´t sent to Jackal. Scum don´t push to lynch confirmed Townies, they nightkill them, the talk tonight could have been just that, scum trying to get a feel for how a lynch on Jackal would go. I would suggest the Psychologist don't visit Jackal, precisely because he is the EA. I'm going to vote Jackal tomorrow and be pushing for his lynch, so what is the point in causing our psych to kill himself by visiting Jackal? ---- My original analysis post was actually going to be about how TheFerryman looked scummy. Part of it is irrelevant now, but I still want to hear his answer on the other thing. My FoS on him was pointing out two things. First, that he didn´t play like he did early in the game, with big analysis and metagame arguments. With the FoS on Chaos13, that´s no longer the case, Ferryman is back to his original style. The other thing I wondered about Ferryman is still relevant though, and has to do with two unassuming comments in his posts during Day 1, see below. Twice he says he was going to, or was in the middle of doing, a metagame analysis of JeeJee, but didn´t deliver, or update on his thoughts. It´s not a damning scumtell, but looks bad, and I want to hear what happened to that analysis. On August 25 2011 06:25 TheFerryman wrote: Finally, I'm getting weird vibes from JeeJee, I need to go back and read up on his meta. JeeJee, what's the last game you rolled town (preferably a normal or mini)? I'm going to go check SNMMIII (i think that was the game) for your scum meta. On August 25 2011 08:56 TheFerryman wrote: @Wiggles, you ask me for scum-reads, well, so far you are the only one that sticks out to me, I'm suspicious of JeeJee, but I haven't yet caught up with his meta (reading through games takes a while), however I certainly have my eye on him. | ||
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Disregarding the nightkill for a while, I think Chaos13 is scummy for his craplogical push on Jackal, reasoning in my analysis post above. | ||
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Chaos13, you haven´t seen/answered the FoS I sent on you, it went out just before the new day, and regards the same thing Cyber pointed out. Basically, it´s that you didn´t want to send the Psych on Jackal, who you think is the EA. You argued that it´s a waste to send the Psych to die, it might look that way, but it´s craplogic. If we get the EA because the Psych die finding him, then we can be much more sure on the lynch. Also, if we send the Psych and he doesn´t die, then we can be more or less sure that Jackal is not the EA. That´s the thing that looked bad, it looked like you wanted to make sure that Jackal was not cleared of EA-suspicion, so that you could lynch him today. Anyway, I´m looking forward to that analysis on Jackal. I want to hear what made you so sure about Jackal that you thought a Psych verification was unnecessary. | ||
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On August 31 2011 08:21 Jackal58 wrote: I have no idea if the Psych visited me or not. It wouldn't matter if he did unless I'm insane. I am not the EA. I cannot visit anybody at night. I cannot harm the Psych if he does visit me. I wish people would quit assuming that the Psych visited me. We have no idea if he did. We certainly don't want him claiming until the EA is dead. So please stop assuming I was visited. That kind of thinking is going to get us in a pickle. I know we asked the Psych to visit you and you didn´t die, that´s something. | ||
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On August 31 2011 09:01 chaos13 wrote: I've pretty much addressed this above. If I think Jackal is the EA, why should I want the psych to go visit him and get killed? That defeats the point of the skipped night phase. I would much rather the psych visit someone insane and cure them, and keep the EA farther from their win condition than have the pysch go get themselves killed when we can't actually confirm that they visited the target everyone voted on. Analysis on Jackal in progress. Will be up in an hour or two probably. That explains it, I missed/scimmed over your earlier explanation. We view this differently, I think finding the EA is the important job of the Psychologist, while you think it´s keeping people sane. As for Jackal, I still want to hear your analysis. | ||
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On August 31 2011 23:25 tnkted wrote: I'm getting red vibe off forumite. If you read his post history it's all soft FoS's that he doesn't really follow through on. Are you saying that you don´t like the way I play, or that I´m playing like a scum in this game? Because I´ve been accused of being scum because of weak FoS many times. What do people think about Navilius? And no, it´s not a FoS, I just don´t have a good read on him. | ||
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On August 28 2011 03:08 tnkted wrote: actually the C in Scum doesn't follow a period, but otherwise the message says 'im scum u mad' Reading Jee Jee's posts reveals he's replied to/agreed with/been focused on sevryn faaaar more than anyone else, so perhaps sevryn is our lynch tomorrow. Also town needs to start talking asap. | ||
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On September 01 2011 02:42 Jackal58 wrote: My suspicion is that JeeJee was trying to lynch Cyber, but when people dropped off, then either he didn´t want to do anything in case he made himself a target, or he didn´t want to tip the lynch on one of the others. Cyber a scum buddy? On September 01 2011 05:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Do you mean bandwagoning? We don't know if he was bussing or not, because we don't know who his team mates are. Or maybe you do? Well, yes, a bandwagon. He jumped on when the bandwagon was going on against Cyber, 4 players voted on Cyber in a row, among them JeeJee, but once they dropped off, he didn´t join the votetrains on tnkted and Palmar, and later Wiggles. Palmar has flipped, and he was never a prime target for the lynch, but JeeJee could have gotten you or tnkted lynched, if he had wanted to, you were both 1 vote away from a lynch. You and tnkted acted the same way, wasting your votes on players that would never get lynched. tnkted voted on Palmar and Cyber, you voted on Eiii and Palmar. That makes me think JeeJee, Mr. Wiggles and tnkted are the scumteam. This post of JeeJee doesn´t help. (emphasis mine) + Show Spoiler + On August 28 2011 03:23 JeeJee wrote: surely you're not serious. look hard enough and i'm sure you can find something like this in anyone's posts if they post enough. major fos on both tnkted and wiggles for just jumping on this without thinking it's simply a coincidence. FoS tnkted ##Vote Mr. Wiggles | ||
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On September 01 2011 06:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote:However, the day actually ended with three votes on tnkted, and three votes on Palmar, so at what point did tnkted become a "more likely candidate" than Palmar? Nice logic. Palmar was a less likely candidate because while Wiggles and tnkted got several people voting on them in a row, for Palmar it was much less so. For Palmar, the first vote was from tnkted. Cyber and Eii also voted early, but Cyber and tnkted dropped off. It was very late when tnkted, you Wiggles, and Cyber came back for the final 3 votes. Right before the 3 votes landed on Palmar, 5-6 people voted on tnkted, and after the 3 votes went to Palmar, 5 people voted on Wiggles, almost as if someone tried to redirect the lynch. Palmar was a candidate, but the bandwagons on tnkted and Wiggles were much stronger. Wiggles, it looks weird, if it´s not you three, then what really happened? | ||
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On August 26 2011 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I know it´s taken out of context, but it´s such a nice post. I'm town, but it doesn't even matter if you believe me, because: I'm town, so I want to kill scum If I'm EA, I want to kill mafia to buy town cred If I'm mafia, I want to kill EA on Day 1, as outlined above Original post:+ Show Spoiler + On August 26 2011 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: If you read, you can see that Palmar did not in fact try to save Tnkted, or at least, he did a very bad job of it. He did not adequately explain how Tnkted is town, and he did not push the idea that Tnkted was town in a convincing way. All he did, was remove the vote from Tnkted, ensuring that one of town's two extensions would be used on the worst possible day for it. He hasn't done anything to reinforce Tnkted's credibility, or to actually defend against the accusations of being scum, he just forced a no-lynch, which is anti-town by itself. We do get an extra day, but it is an extra day much better used later into the game. Day 1 lynches are fairly inaccurate, unless scum makes a major mistake (Like I think Palmar did), and trying to kill the EA now just means that town will be launched into Day 1-2, where it will be exactly more of the same as what we've had for the last 48 hours. We get no new information, and no new leads, because Town will want to kill EA for the extra day, but scum will want to kill EA for the town cred, meaning that all scumhunting put into finding the EA is more or less a null tell. Trying to find the EA on day 1, means that he doesn't have to pretend to hunt for actual mafia, and makes it so that the extra lynch is used on the least optimal day, where town has the least leads and information. I'm town, but it doesn't even matter if you believe me, because: I'm town, so I want to kill scum If I'm EA, I want to kill mafia to buy town cred If I'm mafia, I want to kill EA on Day 1, as outlined above So, do you think I'm EA? Then I'm hunting scum. I know I'm town, and I'm trying to convince you of such, but it shouldn't even matter when you read my analysis, because the end goal is going to be the same. Look at it impartially, and forget that it was written by Mr. Wiggles, whom you think is EA, and then tell me what you think. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese Mr. Wiggles Sevryn (1) tnkted Mr. Wiggles (1) Forumite Eiii (1) Jackal 58 | ||
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Forumite Sevryn Navillus Eiii Cyber_Cheese Chaos13 Jackal58 Chaos13 (1) Mr. Wiggles Sevryn (1) tnkted Eiii (0) | ||
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Okay, this makes it very likely that tnkted is the last scum, it fits his voting pattern day 1, day 3, FoS from JeeJee, not to mention that the whole case against Wiggles was that both he and tnkted were scum, and that they forced a no-lynch to avoid lynching a co-scum. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese Sevryn chaos13 - visit? Navillus Eiii Jackal58 - visit? Forumite Erandorr tnkted Odd, of the players that the Psych was asked to visit, it´s only Jackal and Chaos13 that still live, and Night 2 voting were confused enough that we can´t know who of those two that actually got the visit. Wiggles and JeeJee turned out to be scum and got lynched, so the visit on Wiggles was wasted. With the switch in player, Erandorr will be even harder to read. I want the Psych to visit him tonight. ##Visit Erandorr | ||
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The FoS from JeeJee was his way of distancing himself from you two immediately after getting under fire for his breadcrumb. He mentioned you two by names, you were the first two to jump on it, maybe because of just this reason, so you would get some towncred for agreeing with a scum-lynch. | ||
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On September 02 2011 02:48 tnkted wrote: You were a more likely lynch than Palmar BEFORE Wiggles went offline. What happened during the last few hours were people moving to wiggles from you. If Wiggles had wanted to keep himself alive, then his vote should have gone on you, he voted instead on Palmar which makes me think he didn´t want you to get lynched either. Because he wasn't online. Go look, he talks about being afk or he would have switched his vote. | ||
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On September 02 2011 05:32 Hesmyrr wrote: Hmmm... -_-Erandorr is replaced by Kurumi. Welcome to the game Kurumi, if that´s your Real name. As for Erandorr/Kurumis role, I don´t think we can draw a conclusion from if a player is modkilled or replaced. However, the late introduction is a problem when we want a read on him. Erandorr joined in late to lynch Wiggles, and helped to bring the votes on him to 6, dangerously close, from that we can assume he´s not Scum, but I don´t know besides that. | ||
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With 8 players left, we need 5 votes to get a lynch. We were slow with getting the voting going yesterday, so going right ahead now. ##Vote tnkted | ||
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On September 03 2011 12:02 Jackal58 wrote: Tnkted is most likely the remaining scum. I think our vote today should go on the most likely EA candidate don't you? Either anti-Town role is equally dangerous,lynching either one is fine, as long as there´s a good candidate, so we reduce the risk of a mislynch or no-lynch. We have a scum candidate, but I haven´t heard a case against a likely EA candidate. Who did you have in mind? | ||
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Kurumi, could you tell us what you think about the game so far, and where you think the Scum and EA hide? | ||
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Okay, Jackal, you say Navillus should be lynched, what do you back it up with? Day 1 voting is unsure, he jumped on Wiggles at the end, and appeared to genuinely want him lynched, the late voting doesn´t exclude a scum, but makes it less likely with tnkted as an alternative lynch. As far as I remember, the Psych was never asked to visit Navillus. Overall, that´s not a very strong case. Do you have any posts or evidence apart from this? | ||
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Eiii, what do you think? Cyber, what´s your read on Navillus? | ||
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##Vote Navillus ---- Kurumi Navillus Jackal58 Eiii Forumite Eiii Navillus Cyber_Cheese | ||
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I think the JeeJee reveal was jackals way of getting loads of towncred, while at the same time making people forget that Wiggles was a target for the Day 1 lynch. That Psych was elusive, I went around, visiting people I thought wouldn´t get lynched or nightkilled, but still couldn´t find him. | ||
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On September 08 2011 03:39 GMarshal wrote: So, the gig is up, I was the ferryman ^_^ AHA! Right before you got nightkilled, I made the case how it was weird for a newbie to post so much analysis, and how you therefore had to be coached by other scum. It felt a bit embarassing when you immediately flipped green. | ||
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On September 08 2011 06:04 Erandorr wrote: For the record I actually was that inactive by choice in this game and also kind of scummy just because I could die by the hands of 2 parties instead of one. That voting fuck up still bugs me though -.- Really? I did a check on lurkers and their activity in different games, your activity looked about normal. Also, while the plan with jackal worked, there can be suspicions anyway. Jackal is a good player, and Scum likely want to kill him off early, if he found JeeJee then all the more reason to kill him quickly. That´s what wherebugsgo was on to, Scum kill Jackal, unless he´s scum too. As for Cyber, Jackal and Me, we were considered Town at the end, and should really have been killed off by scum, to remove active players and to leave Town with more potential scum to choose between. That the EA is bulletproof work against the role in this case, I was too noticeable when hunting Wiggles, I should have died after his lynch, and that´s exactly what jackal tried to arrange. | ||
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On September 08 2011 10:22 Jackal58 wrote: Forumite - Why didn't you out me? You knew I was scum. I was carefull, I knew that if I did a mistake, then they´d kill me directly after, so I was trying to make sure that once you died, everyone would allready be insane, so the extra lynch wouldn´t be able to touch me. It wasn´t quite ready for that. | ||
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On September 08 2011 22:28 tnkted wrote: I TOLD YALL TO LYNCH FORUMITE AAAAAAGH GG guys, jackal's bus of JeeJee is the only reason I didn't accuse him of scum right away; he felt off but I thought that nobody would bother handing us the first scum on d2. Do you mean the OMGUS when I pushed for your lynch? | ||
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