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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 22 2011 23:04 GMT
#31
This sounds fun.

/in

I assume participating in this game doesn´t clash with the Werewolf Mafia game, we have other players from there in any case.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 23 2011 14:37 GMT
#40
Where them antediluvian, eldritch horrors at?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 23 2011 15:13 GMT
#46
Cool intro.

hastur hastur hastur...
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 23 2011 22:18 GMT
#106
Wiggles, his post was talking about a pro-EA strategy, but it doesn´t mean he really wanted to implement it, just watch reactions. Anyone insisting it as a great plan is suspicious because it doesn´t take long to figure out the problems with it. Either he´s playing risky Town or crappy EA, and if he´s a veteran, risky Town seems more likely.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 23 2011 23:22 GMT
#119
On August 24 2011 07:23 Eiii wrote:
alright I hope that made sense. One more thing: What happens if an insane doctor visits EA?

EA can only be killed by a lynch, so nothing happens.

On breadcrumbing, without info-roles, it´s not that usefull in this game, and is more likely to attract attention from scum and EA, or plunge us into a WIFOM swamp, than actually aid Town. I advice against it, but it´s up to the player.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 23 2011 23:45 GMT
#122
On Wiggles, I´m not prepared to vote on him until I hear him defend himself. He hasn´t posted since Ferryman posted his analysis on Wiggles, and I´m fairly sure that was the first FoS on him.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 24 2011 13:44 GMT
#149
On August 24 2011 21:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I'm thinking the plan to mention who we visited (even if we didn't) is better than nothing because *if* the psych happens to die there is a remote chance he did actually visit the horror
That said, I'm going to kick things off and say I'm going to visit Erandorr, I advise everybody to choose someone and do the same.

It´s been discussed earlier why breadcrumbs are bad, obvious posting of intent isn´t any better. Even if everyone claim they visit someone, there is information there. Either people lie, and we get WIFOM, or scum/EA picks up on it, and either attack those who are visited by many to find their enemy power-role, or stay away from those who are visited by anyone, to ensure their ability gets through.
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Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 24 2011 13:56 GMT
#150
Right now tnkted looks the most scummy, but I want to hear his defence before I vote. He hasn´t been online for about 12 hours.

On extension, if there are a limited number of uses, then I suggest we wait and don´t use one today, unless we are forced by not having a majority vote, because they will probably be better used in the late game. We should have about 25 hours left on the day, so there is still time to discuss this next lynch.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 24 2011 17:07 GMT
#159
On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so:


NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario.

JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 24 2011 17:20 GMT
#161
On August 25 2011 02:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Alright sorry for actually mentioning visiting someone, didn't see the cons on breadcrumbing

Breadcrumbing summary:
The doc lies so mafia cant backtrack who healed the person they attacked accurately... so the doc cant breadcrumb

The rest of town feign visiting and psych tells the truth because the psych is our best lead on finding the horror
The forseen problem with that was that the EH would know who 'visited' them and if they didn't die, would know they were not worth a visit

So what if town agreed to which person the psych visits anonymously?
e.g. town agrees that psych should visit (I don't know, me?) and if the psych turns up dead we can assume hes (I'm in this case) the EH

If players lie in breadcrumbing, then we get WIFOM and confusion. The doc can´t point at his breadcrumbs in case he is going to get lynched, so he´ll probably get lynched precisely because his breadcrumbs don´t add up with what is happening in the game. Scum and EA will analyse breadcrumbs, either getting valuable info, or a good alibi, which the Blues can´t contradict without outing themselves. It will create a mess, and we don´t want a mess.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 24 2011 18:03 GMT
#169
On August 25 2011 02:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 02:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On August 24 2011 21:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
The town has no way of knowing for sure who is the mafia nor the eldritch horror.
It starts 9v3v1, assuming the mafia manage to hit town it's only ever going to go downhill unless we lynch and get lucky and/or someones percieved slip up is actually that.
I'm thinking the plan to mention who we visited (even if we didn't) is better than nothing because *if* the psych happens to die there is a remote chance he did actually visit the horror
That said, I'm going to kick things off and say I'm going to visit Erandorr, I advise everybody to choose someone and do the same.

I never actually believed Palmar was anti-town, but there was an arguement against him and I didn't want to not lynch, so
##Unvote

Now, having read up to this point, one person seems to be pushing the identity of the horror rather too strongly, don't you think?
I'm thinking he's panicked from getting the third party role and tried to pin the blame on someone else from the get-go
##Vote: TheFerryman

Note how Ferryman used examples of wiggles from other games, despite this being his first? I think he was likely looking at other games to see how a third party faction should be played, and just happened to come up with some 'evidence' that wiggles could be used as a scapegoat.

Also I don't really think meta-arguements should be used, keep it within what's been said this game.
On August 25 2011 02:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On August 25 2011 02:27 JeeJee wrote:
On August 25 2011 02:07 Forumite wrote:
On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:
On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so:


NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario.

JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here?


if we kill EA, night is skipped


My apologies, I forgot that.

##Unvote

##Vote MrWiggles

just for references sake, i made a list

posts so far since the game started
1. Mr. Wiggles 5
2. Cyber_Cheese 12
3. Sevryn 8
4. TheFerryman 12
5. chaos13 5
6. Palmar 14
7. Navillus 5
8. Eiii 2
9. JeeJee 2
10. Jackal58 11
11. Forumite 8
12. Erandorr 11
13. tnkted 18

both of eiii's were spent accusing palmar
scum tend to stay really quiet on sc2 mafia, im not sure how forum mafia compares


So what made you change your mind so quick, when neither me nor ferryman posted between these? Rather contradictory, don't you think?


You've posted less, out of the two of you I'd rather ferryman based off that, and tnkted accusing me made me realise just how scummy I made myself look
In my experience with SC2 mafia, only weak town roles accuse each other on day 1 because if they turn out to be wrong they're only townies

So in your opinion, Wiggles and Ferryman are probably Scum?

It doesn´t really add up with your earlier post, Wiggles might have few posts, but they are HUGE, he´s only posting long analysis and policy posts. Ferryman is quite active, and drew a lot of attention to himself early. If you are looking for players trying to stay out of sight, they look like very bad choices.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 25 2011 00:49 GMT
#220
Okay, enough of this, I´m voting, there´s not that much time left anyway. I´ve been following the talk about Wiggles and Cyber, and until two hours ago, my reads were misunderstood Town on Wiggles, and noobtown on Cyber. However, after Cybers wall of text about probabilities, it got a bit too much, there are just so many scumtells. Cyber has too many weird policies and strategies, and ways to justify his actions. There are two things I´m unsure about, first his fascination with policy for Blues, and also the lack of connection to other players, few defend him, noone appear to be coaching him out of this mess. The first could just as easily be a scumtell, the second doesn´t confirm scum, but it doesn´t free him of suspicions either. Scum want to get rid of weak links. From my overall read, I´m betting he´s Scum.

##Vote Cyber_Cheese
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 25 2011 01:33 GMT
#227
On August 25 2011 10:22 Navillus wrote:
##Extension, I want more time on this

There were some changes, I don´t think extension is something we can vote to get, instead the day is extended by 24 hours if we don´t have a majority vote, which is currently at 7 votes on the same person at the deadline.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 25 2011 07:29 GMT
#240
Just throwing it out there, I don´t want us to waste an Extension on Day 1. With only two of them, I feel they are better used on Day 2 and Day 3, when we will need the extra time more, and when we have more to discuss. I´m not saying Day 1 is a wasted effort, there have been extensive analysis and among the 5 top suspects, there is probably one or two anti-town, but we are still just fumbling in the dark. It´s too easy to sit in your own bubble and do WIFOM, without any real evidence to base it on. 24 hours more might give us a better chance to find Scum, but they are better used later on, when there is more concrete evidence to look at.

If at all possible, I want us to agree on a lynch within the next 7 hours.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 25 2011 13:27 GMT
#262
Ferryman and Wiggles are away, and not likely to be able to change their votes before the deadline. If we want to avoid an extension, then we can´t rely on them.

As for me, I´m now considering Tnkted to be just as scummy as Cyber, but hiding it better. He is also a veteran player, Cyber can be excused as this is his first game, and I don´t like lynching a player on the first day in his first game. I also feel like there are more connections between Tnkted and other players, this is a weak scumtell but it´s the one thing I was missing when looking at Cyber.

##Unvote
##Vote Tnkted
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 25 2011 13:34 GMT
#264
On August 25 2011 20:32 Palmar wrote:
I'd rather lynch almost everyone in this town than him.
On August 25 2011 22:29 Palmar wrote:
screw it, at least he can't call me mafia.

someone hammer it so we can move on without extending the day.

##Unvote
##Vote tnkted

Palmar, of all players in this game, you looked like the last one that would switch your vote, what changed your mind?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 25 2011 13:36 GMT
#268
Tnkted, coulde you vote using the established format, a new line, and no colon : between vote and the player?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 25 2011 14:07 GMT
#273
On August 25 2011 22:39 tnkted wrote:
I'm used to voting in a separate thread, where formatting doesn't matter as much :x
Hear, hear!

On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right.
Right...
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 25 2011 14:36 GMT
#276
On August 25 2011 23:15 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 23:07 Forumite wrote:
On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right.
Right...


What's your reasoning to believe Wiggles is town?

I don´t trust the primary argument made against him. Meta is usefull, sometimes, but I don´t think it´s applicable in finding a new kind of 3rd party with an unknown optimal play, especially as the meta argument focused specifically on his first post, which wanted to start a discussion more than anything. Since then wiggles has sometimes overreacted in his defences, there might be something there, but some players has said that Wiggles is hard to read, and I´m prepared to trust that Meta more than what Ferryman brought up.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 25 2011 14:43 GMT
#278
On August 25 2011 23:33 Palmar wrote:
Actually, fuck it, I hate losing.

Tnkted is not scum because of this tiny little exchange.


Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 00:57 tnkted wrote:
On August 24 2011 00:55 Palmar wrote:
On August 24 2011 00:46 tnkted wrote:
On August 24 2011 00:29 Palmar wrote:
I have discarded my win condition, my sole object this game will be to convince Jackal I'm town, seeing as it's a feat I've never achieved.


Oh!? You have a win condition other than winning with town?


derp.


lololo

#vote palmar



Thing is, the lololo thing is too unforced, too reactive and too casual for him to possibly be scum. If he was scum, he'd know I was town and be a little more hesitant to take my "derp" as an admission of slipping up (whereas, it's real intention was to portray the silliness of the accusation upon tnkted).

If he's scum he's really good scum. I don't think he'd ever do what he did there as scum. He could have pushed the same issue, trying to paint my joke as a slip, but he would have gone about it completely differently if he was scum.

At first it looked like that, an easygoing joke-vote, but this dance has kept going, you and Tnkted have kept voting on eachother, and pushed weak cases, then later on backtracked to defend the other if it gets too strong. Make up your mind.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 25 2011 14:46 GMT
#279
On August 25 2011 23:41 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 23:36 Forumite wrote:
On August 25 2011 23:15 Palmar wrote:
On August 25 2011 23:07 Forumite wrote:
On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right.
Right...


What's your reasoning to believe Wiggles is town?

I don´t trust the primary argument made against him. Meta is usefull, sometimes, but I don´t think it´s applicable in finding a new kind of 3rd party with an unknown optimal play, especially as the meta argument focused specifically on his first post, which wanted to start a discussion more than anything. Since then wiggles has sometimes overreacted in his defences, there might be something there, but some players has said that Wiggles is hard to read, and I´m prepared to trust that Meta more than what Ferryman brought up.


Then take a look at some of the things that have happened in the game.

Wiggles decided to vote Eiii in his opening post. There is nothing wrong with randomly voting, but the fact that he felt the need to specify it was a pressure vote (through linking an awesome song by bowie/queen), shows inherent signs of guilt, and not wanting to stick his neck out. I don't even understand what the purpose of voting someone with the intent of only pressuring would be. At he point in time he threw down that vote it'd have been more sensical to go after one of the players that have posted, or to simply claim the vote on Eiii was to get rid of lurkers.

There´s nothing weird about a pressure vote. Stating that it´s for pressure isn´t bad either, Eiii still has to respond, and Wiggles doesn´t have to answer to people who use that vote as an argument that he´s aggressively trying to lynch at random. I don´t find anything especially scummy about a pressure vote.

Also, I like that song.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 25 2011 14:53 GMT
#282
There goes our first extension, and we are none the wiser for it. I was hoping to be able to secure a lynch for the deadline, no luck there. I´m off for a few hours.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 25 2011 23:30 GMT
#302
Ferryman, why didn´t you reveal the trap BEFORE the lynch deadline? It might have been enough to save us that extension.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 26 2011 09:30 GMT
#327
Here´s the current vote count.
The vote ends in 5 hours, 15 minutes.

Cyber_Cheese (2)
Erandorr
JeeJee

Mr. Wiggles (3)
TheFerryman
Palmar
Sevryn

tnkted (6)
chaos13
Cyber_Cheese
Jackal58
Eiii
Forumite
Navillus

Palmar (2)
tnkted
Mr. Wiggles
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 26 2011 09:39 GMT
#328
Erandorr and JeeJee, it doesn´t look like Cyber will get voted out today. What do you think about the other candidates?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 26 2011 09:48 GMT
#329
Sevryn, you´ve jumped between Cyber and Wiggles, what made you decide Wiggles was the one? What do you think he is, Scum or EA? Why that role?

Palmar, you´ve been fairly sure about Wiggles since the start, apart from the brief vote on Tnkted which you withdrew before the deadline. Why isn´t Tnkted a good target anymore? Do you still think Wiggles is EA or do you believe Ferrymans "TRAP" and it´s suggestion that Wiggles is Scum?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 26 2011 12:32 GMT
#339
Okay, guys, if there are not a total of 7 votes on any one player in just under 2 hours, then there will be NO lynch. We have to lynch as a group, or we don´t lynch at all.

If we don´t lynch then we loose a Townie, someone goes insane, we risk loosing the psychologist too, and we have 48 more hours of indecisive arguments, with the added bonus of WIFOM. If we mislynch, then at least we have SOMETHING to go on, we can look at votes and arguments, try to find connection between Scum. If we don´t lynch, then we have nothing, and basically restart the game with 8 Town, instead of 9.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 26 2011 12:52 GMT
#343
Fear of mislynching should not keep us from lynching. If we reason like that, then we might just as well sit quietly and wait a week until the scum have killed off everyone.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 26 2011 13:03 GMT
#349
On August 26 2011 22:01 Palmar wrote:
So Forumite, what will it be, are you already okay with going back on your own thoughts and forcing a no lynch? Or is it better to do as you say "lynch for information".

There is still an hour and a half left, I´m still having my hopes that Tnkted will get lynched.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 26 2011 13:53 GMT
#352
I´d rather lynch a supposed Scum, than a supposed Town. In case I´m wrong, sorry Wiggles.

##Unvote
##Vote Mr. Wiggles
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 26 2011 13:55 GMT
#353
47 minutes left.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 26 2011 14:11 GMT
#355
On August 25 2011 23:46 Hesmyrr wrote:
The NEW and FINAL deadline is August 26 2011 23:46 KST, which is 14:46 GMT (+00:00)

35 minutes left
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 26 2011 14:33 GMT
#357
Navilius, do you think voting for a no-lynch is scummy?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 26 2011 14:43 GMT
#361
On August 26 2011 23:41 Navillus wrote:
Forumite, you're the only person that I know isn't lurking right now, we need a vote on wiggles, if you're town please switch it actually is much better for town if we get a lynch in, even if you don't fully support it.

I allready switched, just after the last votecount
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 26 2011 14:57 GMT
#364
This majority voting changes things a lot. It´s rare for 30% of the voters to agree on a lynch in a normal game, and in this game, that´s a big weakness. Next day we are likely 12 players, and we still need 7 votes to lynch.

Anyway, I´ve witnessed the end of the day, but now I´m off.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 27 2011 15:00 GMT
#393
Damn, not the best start. My FoS on Tnkted was mostly because Palmar was defending him very forcefully, more than i thought was normal. This doesn´t clear Tnkted entirely, but backing off for now, until something new comes up.

The Psychiatrist didn´t die, so we can assume Wiggles is not the EA.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 27 2011 18:10 GMT
#401
Jackal, after the talk last day and the unfortunate demise of Palmar, there´s not much to go on, but where do you think scum hide, apart from JeeJee of course.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 27 2011 19:26 GMT
#416
Hmmm, troll message that scumclaims, and doubtfull defence. Looks too good to be true. By the logic that no Town would be so foolish as to post something that would get them lynched, I´d say JeeJee looks pretty scummy.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 27 2011 20:53 GMT
#421
On August 28 2011 04:51 JeeJee wrote:
are you guys being serious right now? holy shit

I think we are. What do you think about that?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 27 2011 21:17 GMT
#422
JeeJee, explain, why would you post that if you are Town?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 27 2011 22:15 GMT
#428
On August 28 2011 06:41 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 06:17 Forumite wrote:
JeeJee, explain, why would you post that if you are Town?


it was a coincidence

Except it all fit together perfectly, and that RIGHT before voting on a visit on Palmar, who just happened to be the one who got killed.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
August 27 2011 22:33 GMT
#433
On August 28 2011 03:38 JeeJee wrote:
and for god's sake it doesn't even make sense
"after every period... except this one letter, but let's pretend it's good too"
really?

why am i even arguing this is ridiculous

back to business, on chaos13

his contributions have consisted of
-tunnelling tnkted
-not reading the thread

first, him and palmar got into a big argument, especially during the night as he just waltzed in after-deadline, voted for psych to visit ferry, but only AFTER trying to dissuade us from ... using this plan completely!
Clearly, this particular variation of the plan has been checked and re-checked, and the worst case scenario has been fixed, such that it's actually a good plan. keeping in mind a townie perspective, he would have no reason to randomly say "oh btw this plan sucks lol"

y'all should also remember he was a suspect of palmar. overall, not to say town=right, but palmar's reasons were good-natured and I personally agree with his conclusion, especially after knowing that. u should too.

##vote chaos13

Ignoring for a moment that it´s hard to take your argument seriously when you intentionally spelled out "Fuck You", I agree that Chaos13 isn´t helping much, I´m not so sure that makes him scum though. About directing Psych, Scum don´t want to derail the finding of the EA, Scum want to find the EA and get him lynched. It could be an EAtell, but it´s not a scumtell. The case Palmar directed at him, it couldn´t have been so strong because I don´t remember what it was about.

Is there any specific scumtells you want us to consider?
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#436
On August 28 2011 08:28 Eiii wrote:
I don't like lynching jeejee for a supposed 'hey guys i'm scum lol' breadcrumb in one of his posts.

He says it´s a coincidence, not a joke, but as a coincidence is highly unlikely, he´s almost certainly lying. Town don´t lie, especially not about silly jokes. He doesn´t look like a Town who did a joke and was called out on it, that leaves a scum who trolled, got found out, and can´t explain it away. That´s how it looks to me.

##Vote JeeJee

Anyway, where is Ferryman? I miss his big analysis posts from the first day. I´d like to hear if he´s got any recent Scumtells from Wiggles.
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August 28 2011 10:09 GMT
#453
JeeJee, I think you should post your findings now instead of later, it would give us more time to discuss them, and we might even change our minds on this lynch, although unlikely. It has to be posted before the lynch, so it will affect night actions anyway, but posting now give town 24 hours more to talk.
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August 28 2011 11:36 GMT
#455
I disagree with Cyber about both Ferryman and Tnkted.

Tnkted pushed on Palmar in response to one weird post by him, it didn´t really have any weight behind it. Eiii jumped on it to pressure, but then nothing happened until Wiggles picked up on how Palmar was trying to save Tnkted. It never felt like a serious case, so I don´t consider Tnkted to be Town because of it.

Ferryman is a new player, and impressed everyone with long posts of analysis, and reading a lot of other games to get a meta argument going against Wiggles, but it stopped, I haven´t seen much from Ferryman since the TRAP post, apart from him confirming that he still thinks Wiggles should be lynched. Maybe he just doesn´t have the energy to post long posts anymore, but he´s changed his style of play in a short time, and it looks odd.

I don´t think either is a better target for a lynch than JeeJee, just pointing out that it´s too early to consider either of them confirmed Townie.
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August 28 2011 12:51 GMT
#458
JeeJee
Tnkted
TheFerryMan
Mr.Wiggles
Sevryn
Jackal58
Cyber_Cheese
Eiii
Forumite
JeeJee -wut?
Navilius
Chaos13

Chaos13
JeeJee

Mr.Wiggles
TheFerryMan

Not yet Voted
Erandorr
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August 28 2011 20:09 GMT
#479
JeeJee hasn´t changed my mind with his recent posts. JeeJee, if you have a big reveal, then you might want to post it. Waiting until the night doesn´t help Town.

Also, I´m fairly sure Sevryn is Toww, but I don´t know what that is...
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August 28 2011 20:25 GMT
#481
On August 29 2011 05:21 JeeJee wrote:
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On August 29 2011 05:09 Forumite wrote:
JeeJee hasn´t changed my mind with his recent posts. JeeJee, if you have a big reveal, then you might want to post it. Waiting until the night doesn´t help Town.

Also, I´m fairly sure Sevryn is Toww, but I don´t know what that is...


I don't have a big reveal, who gave you that idea?
I do have a bunch of final thoughts that'll probably change how you approach this game though. That combined with my flip should be enough to make all of you reconsider your stances at least a bit.

Why not post it now?
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August 28 2011 21:19 GMT
#485
On August 29 2011 05:33 JeeJee wrote:
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On August 29 2011 05:25 Forumite wrote:
On August 29 2011 05:21 JeeJee wrote:
On August 29 2011 05:09 Forumite wrote:
JeeJee hasn´t changed my mind with his recent posts. JeeJee, if you have a big reveal, then you might want to post it. Waiting until the night doesn´t help Town.

Also, I´m fairly sure Sevryn is Toww, but I don´t know what that is...


I don't have a big reveal, who gave you that idea?
I do have a bunch of final thoughts that'll probably change how you approach this game though. That combined with my flip should be enough to make all of you reconsider your stances at least a bit.

Why not post it now?


Because then they wouldn't be 'final' thoughts, silly.

Well, yeah, but it´s still better for Town if you post early so we have more time to discuss those final thoughts.
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August 28 2011 22:35 GMT
#488
On August 29 2011 07:30 Erandorr wrote:
oh ##vote jeejee, completely forgot that part. looks like we might get a majority for him after all!

That´s an understatement.
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August 28 2011 22:56 GMT
#491
On August 29 2011 07:52 JeeJee wrote:
You know what you guys remind me of? Hyenas eager for blood. This gives me an idea..

You haven´t given us much, if any, reason to doubt this lynch. You are acting like the textbook example of a Scum that got found out. Of course we are eager to get it over with.
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#496
On August 29 2011 07:58 JeeJee wrote:
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On August 29 2011 07:56 Forumite wrote:
On August 29 2011 07:52 JeeJee wrote:
You know what you guys remind me of? Hyenas eager for blood. This gives me an idea..

You haven´t given us much, if any, reason to doubt this lynch. You are acting like the textbook example of a Scum that got found out. Of course we are eager to get it over with.


but i'm a psychologist

You don´t think it would have been a good idea to tell us earlier!? Seriously! You are just hurting Town when you act like this. We are not going to lynch a blue who is most likely getting killed directly after claiming anyway, but you don´t give us much time to find another target.

Okay, who did you check during the first night?

##Unvote
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#498
On August 29 2011 08:09 JeeJee wrote:
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On August 29 2011 08:05 Forumite wrote:
On August 29 2011 07:58 JeeJee wrote:
On August 29 2011 07:56 Forumite wrote:
On August 29 2011 07:52 JeeJee wrote:
You know what you guys remind me of? Hyenas eager for blood. This gives me an idea..

You haven´t given us much, if any, reason to doubt this lynch. You are acting like the textbook example of a Scum that got found out. Of course we are eager to get it over with.


but i'm a psychologist

You don´t think it would have been a good idea to tell us earlier!? Seriously! You are just hurting Town when you act like this. We are not going to lynch a blue who is most likely getting killed directly after claiming anyway, but you don´t give us much time to find another target.

Okay, who did you check during the first night?

##Unvote


I checked chaos13. Why do you think I'm so bent on him being an EA? I am insane now. I commit suicide at dusk, so your lynch is going to be wasted. That's why I was laughing so hard at you guys

I thought the Psychologist die immediately. Okay, if you are the psychologist and found Chaos13, why didn´t you just claim immediately after the Daypost, we could have lynched Chaos13 today, or else save the lynch on Chaos13 and look for scum today, secure that we could deal with the EA when we needed to.

Even if this is all true, your play is hurting Town.
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#502
We might as well confirm this.

Does the Psychologist die immediately after becoming insane, or does he wait until the next daypost?
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#503
Hivemind!
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August 28 2011 23:38 GMT
#506
On August 29 2011 08:34 tnkted wrote:
lololo guys hes obviously fucking with us

He'd have claimed looong ago if he was really psych, and that stages of dying post he just made reeks of trolling

Yeah, I know, he´s probably just trolling, but as there is a simple way to find out if he´s lying, I´d like to make sure.
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August 29 2011 08:03 GMT
#518
As we´re not believing the Psychclaim until he flips;
##Vote JeeJee
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August 29 2011 14:55 GMT
#530
I bet noone saw that coming.
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So true gif


Talk now or after the night?
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August 29 2011 16:53 GMT
#533
We´re mostly giving scum and EA advice on who to hit when we discuss during the night. Sometimes waiting until after the night is safer. Apart from directing psychologist, analysis can wait.

Thoughts?
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August 29 2011 18:01 GMT
#537
On August 30 2011 02:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, there's nothing wrong with analysis during the night, just release it a couple minutes before the day post, if you can. That way, if you get shot, your analysis still gets released, and if you don't get shot, then whatever, it doesn't hurt to have your thoughts out there.

It was either post analysis now and discuss, or before the daypost. I think I´ll drop it off later.

As for Psych visit, both Chaos13 and Jackal sounds like good visits.
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August 29 2011 21:26 GMT
#541
On August 30 2011 05:16 Navillus wrote:
Also stronger FOS on Forumite that unvote just seemed like an "ok guys here's a reason not to vote him let's all jump off" unvote given by a scum buddy, I did consider unvoting when he claimed because he would be certain to die anyway but only after a lot of thought which I would have brought up in any post, I also ended up deciding against it. Forumite on the other hand completely accepts what he says and tries to make it a question of "ok he's a blue what should we do now?" not "is he a blue?"

It was an easy claim to go along with, because lying wouldn´t save him. Either he really is the psychologist and had found Chaos13, we didn´t get an answer from GM so we couldn´t disapprove it yet, or he´s a lying scum. If a psychologist then he dies during the next night, if he´s Scum then we lynch him the next day, but until then he might do some more scumslips and incriminate his buddies.
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#543
On August 30 2011 07:10 chaos13 wrote:
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On August 30 2011 02:39 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Psychologist visit Jackal.

If Jackal is the Psychologist, visit Chaos13.


I would suggest the Psychologist don't visit Jackal, precisely because he is the EA. I'm going to vote Jackal tomorrow and be pushing for his lynch, so what is the point in causing our psych to kill himself by visiting Jackal?

Right...

##Visit Jackal58
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#548
On August 30 2011 08:04 Navillus wrote:
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On August 30 2011 06:26 Forumite wrote:
On August 30 2011 05:16 Navillus wrote:
Also stronger FOS on Forumite that unvote just seemed like an "ok guys here's a reason not to vote him let's all jump off" unvote given by a scum buddy, I did consider unvoting when he claimed because he would be certain to die anyway but only after a lot of thought which I would have brought up in any post, I also ended up deciding against it. Forumite on the other hand completely accepts what he says and tries to make it a question of "ok he's a blue what should we do now?" not "is he a blue?"

It was an easy claim to go along with, because lying wouldn´t save him. Either he really is the psychologist and had found Chaos13, we didn´t get an answer from GM so we couldn´t disapprove it yet, or he´s a lying scum. If a psychologist then he dies during the next night, if he´s Scum then we lynch him the next day, but until then he might do some more scumslips and incriminate his buddies.


See now if you had said this back then I would find it much more believable, but you didn't you completely assumed that he was being honest and didn't even bring up the possibility of him lying.

I would have told you if you had asked me.
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August 29 2011 23:15 GMT
#549
On August 30 2011 07:56 chaos13 wrote:
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On August 30 2011 07:29 Forumite wrote:
On August 30 2011 07:10 chaos13 wrote:
On August 30 2011 02:39 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Psychologist visit Jackal.

If Jackal is the Psychologist, visit Chaos13.


I would suggest the Psychologist don't visit Jackal, precisely because he is the EA. I'm going to vote Jackal tomorrow and be pushing for his lynch, so what is the point in causing our psych to kill himself by visiting Jackal?

Right...

##Visit Jackal58



Explain to me how our psych visiting him is good. It doesn't kill the EA, it doesn't remove him from the game, it doesn't take away his power, and we have no way of knowing for sure if the psych actually visited who everyone voted for. It gets us a dead townie. Instead, they should visit who they think was most likely targeted last night.

It´s complicated. My vote is for jackal to get a visit from the Psychologist.
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August 30 2011 14:44 GMT
#558
On Chaos13 and TheFerryman

I´m agreeing with Ferryman on his FoS on Chaos13, but because of an unrelated scumtell. I got suspicious of Chaos13 quite recently, with this post;
On August 30 2011 07:10 chaos13 wrote:
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On August 30 2011 02:39 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Psychologist visit Jackal.

If Jackal is the Psychologist, visit Chaos13.


I would suggest the Psychologist don't visit Jackal, precisely because he is the EA. I'm going to vote Jackal tomorrow and be pushing for his lynch, so what is the point in causing our psych to kill himself by visiting Jackal?
He says we should lynch Jackal without being sure, that we should trust his feel about the lynch. If Jackal is the EA, and the Psych dies finding him, then we loose a Town player. A town argument, saving a player from needlessly dying, except if the Psychologist visits Jackal and survives the night, then Jackal can´t be the EA. Chaos13 has no chance of lynching a confirmed Townie, so he tries to make sure the Psych isn´t sent to Jackal. Scum don´t push to lynch confirmed Townies, they nightkill them, the talk tonight could have been just that, scum trying to get a feel for how a lynch on Jackal would go.

----

My original analysis post was actually going to be about how TheFerryman looked scummy. Part of it is irrelevant now, but I still want to hear his answer on the other thing.
My FoS on him was pointing out two things. First, that he didn´t play like he did early in the game, with big analysis and metagame arguments. With the FoS on Chaos13, that´s no longer the case, Ferryman is back to his original style. The other thing I wondered about Ferryman is still relevant though, and has to do with two unassuming comments in his posts during Day 1, see below. Twice he says he was going to, or was in the middle of doing, a metagame analysis of JeeJee, but didn´t deliver, or update on his thoughts. It´s not a damning scumtell, but looks bad, and I want to hear what happened to that analysis.
On August 25 2011 06:25 TheFerryman wrote:
Finally, I'm getting weird vibes from JeeJee, I need to go back and read up on his meta. JeeJee, what's the last game you rolled town (preferably a normal or mini)? I'm going to go check SNMMIII (i think that was the game) for your scum meta.
On August 25 2011 08:56 TheFerryman wrote:
@Wiggles, you ask me for scum-reads, well, so far you are the only one that sticks out to me, I'm suspicious of JeeJee, but I haven't yet caught up with his meta (reading through games takes a while), however I certainly have my eye on him.
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#559
I was expecting a daypost about now...
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#561
This is why we post analysis at the end of the night, to avoid becoming a target for the Scum, and creating WIFOM.

Disregarding the nightkill for a while, I think Chaos13 is scummy for his craplogical push on Jackal, reasoning in my analysis post above.
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August 30 2011 22:03 GMT
#579
I like it how Erandorr come when you make a FoS on him =)

Chaos13, you haven´t seen/answered the FoS I sent on you, it went out just before the new day, and regards the same thing Cyber pointed out. Basically, it´s that you didn´t want to send the Psych on Jackal, who you think is the EA. You argued that it´s a waste to send the Psych to die, it might look that way, but it´s craplogic. If we get the EA because the Psych die finding him, then we can be much more sure on the lynch. Also, if we send the Psych and he doesn´t die, then we can be more or less sure that Jackal is not the EA. That´s the thing that looked bad, it looked like you wanted to make sure that Jackal was not cleared of EA-suspicion, so that you could lynch him today.

Anyway, I´m looking forward to that analysis on Jackal. I want to hear what made you so sure about Jackal that you thought a Psych verification was unnecessary.
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#582
On August 31 2011 08:21 Jackal58 wrote:
I have no idea if the Psych visited me or not. It wouldn't matter if he did unless I'm insane. I am not the EA. I cannot visit anybody at night. I cannot harm the Psych if he does visit me. I wish people would quit assuming that the Psych visited me. We have no idea if he did. We certainly don't want him claiming until the EA is dead. So please stop assuming I was visited. That kind of thinking is going to get us in a pickle.

I know we asked the Psych to visit you and you didn´t die, that´s something.
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#588
On August 31 2011 09:01 chaos13 wrote:
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On August 31 2011 07:03 Forumite wrote:
I like it how Erandorr come when you make a FoS on him =)

Chaos13, you haven´t seen/answered the FoS I sent on you, it went out just before the new day, and regards the same thing Cyber pointed out. Basically, it´s that you didn´t want to send the Psych on Jackal, who you think is the EA. You argued that it´s a waste to send the Psych to die, it might look that way, but it´s craplogic. If we get the EA because the Psych die finding him, then we can be much more sure on the lynch. Also, if we send the Psych and he doesn´t die, then we can be more or less sure that Jackal is not the EA. That´s the thing that looked bad, it looked like you wanted to make sure that Jackal was not cleared of EA-suspicion, so that you could lynch him today.

Anyway, I´m looking forward to that analysis on Jackal. I want to hear what made you so sure about Jackal that you thought a Psych verification was unnecessary.


I've pretty much addressed this above. If I think Jackal is the EA, why should I want the psych to go visit him and get killed? That defeats the point of the skipped night phase. I would much rather the psych visit someone insane and cure them, and keep the EA farther from their win condition than have the pysch go get themselves killed when we can't actually confirm that they visited the target everyone voted on.


Analysis on Jackal in progress. Will be up in an hour or two probably.

That explains it, I missed/scimmed over your earlier explanation. We view this differently, I think finding the EA is the important job of the Psychologist, while you think it´s keeping people sane.

As for Jackal, I still want to hear your analysis.
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#602
On August 31 2011 23:25 tnkted wrote:
I'm getting red vibe off forumite. If you read his post history it's all soft FoS's that he doesn't really follow through on.

Are you saying that you don´t like the way I play, or that I´m playing like a scum in this game? Because I´ve been accused of being scum because of weak FoS many times.

What do people think about Navilius? And no, it´s not a FoS, I just don´t have a good read on him.
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August 31 2011 15:46 GMT
#605
Neither Navillus or Sevryn has posted since the new day, so it looks like we have 4 lurkers.
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#607
Postchecking lurkers. I´m getting green reads on all of Eiii, Erandorr and Sevryn. I want them to post more, Erandorr says he will soon, but I don´t want to lynch any of them. I´d rather take a good look at Wiggles and tnkted, it still doesn´t add up that neither was lynched during day 1. I can understand that it was even until the extension, but afterwards it wouldn´t have taken much for scum to sneak in one or two votes on either candidate. Palmar, Navillus and Me were asking for people to stay away from the weak candidates, it would have been easy for a scum to join in and get a Townie lynch going.
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#611
I think tnkted was refering to his post below, made just after JeeJee´s scumslip was found.

On August 28 2011 03:08 tnkted wrote:
actually the C in Scum doesn't follow a period, but otherwise the message says

'im scum
u mad'

Reading Jee Jee's posts reveals he's replied to/agreed with/been focused on sevryn faaaar more than anyone else, so perhaps sevryn is our lynch tomorrow.

Also town needs to start talking asap.
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#613
I´ve been doing voting analysis, and one thing looks weird, JeeJee, confirmed Scum, didn´t buss at all, he put his vote on Cyber_Cheese, and left it there even after the others abandoned trying to lynch Cyber.
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#620
On September 01 2011 02:42 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber a scum buddy?
My suspicion is that JeeJee was trying to lynch Cyber, but when people dropped off, then either he didn´t want to do anything in case he made himself a target, or he didn´t want to tip the lynch on one of the others.

On September 01 2011 05:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On September 01 2011 02:18 Forumite wrote:
I´ve been doing voting analysis, and one thing looks weird, JeeJee, confirmed Scum, didn´t buss at all, he put his vote on Cyber_Cheese, and left it there even after the others abandoned trying to lynch Cyber.
Do you mean bandwagoning? We don't know if he was bussing or not, because we don't know who his team mates are. Or maybe you do?
Well, yes, a bandwagon. He jumped on when the bandwagon was going on against Cyber, 4 players voted on Cyber in a row, among them JeeJee, but once they dropped off, he didn´t join the votetrains on tnkted and Palmar, and later Wiggles. Palmar has flipped, and he was never a prime target for the lynch, but JeeJee could have gotten you or tnkted lynched, if he had wanted to, you were both 1 vote away from a lynch. You and tnkted acted the same way, wasting your votes on players that would never get lynched. tnkted voted on Palmar and Cyber, you voted on Eiii and Palmar.

That makes me think JeeJee, Mr. Wiggles and tnkted are the scumteam.

This post of JeeJee doesn´t help. (emphasis mine)
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On August 28 2011 03:23 JeeJee wrote:
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On August 28 2011 02:50 Jackal58 wrote:
Coag is my son Twinkles. He just made it to Ga. He's on his way to Fl. Naked Tuesdays are now back in vogue.

Palmar once again I am guilty of looking at you with a jaundiced eye. Sorry man.

Day ones poopfest centering on breadcrumbing made me curious as to who if anybody had.

On August 27 2011 03:33 JeeJee wrote:

indeed, this is an interesting point. making sure that the scenario where ea/psych visit one another is accounted for properly is all we've focused on, but the most likely thing to happen is that neither will visit another. someone's basically not-EA if that happens

checking palmar is the best idea i think. under the assumption that psych decides to follow the plan (i dont see why he wouldnt), i'd be hella more comfortable knowing palmar's not the EA. my other suggestion is wiggles.


ugh, you read my mind. my god, where did the 'horror' come from. and like everyone's saying it too. damn shit annoys me :<


##visit palmar


I could probably do this with every post in this game but each of those letters follow a period. I don't believe in accidents.



surely you're not serious. look hard enough and i'm sure you can find something like this in anyone's posts if they post enough.
major fos on both tnkted and wiggles for just jumping on this without thinking it's simply a coincidence.

FoS tnkted
##Vote Mr. Wiggles
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#621
Fun fact, at the end of the Day 1 lynch, it was JeeJee, Wiggles, tnkted and Cyber that didn´t have their vote on either tnkted or Wiggles, the two most likely candidates.
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#624
On September 01 2011 06:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote:However, the day actually ended with three votes on tnkted, and three votes on Palmar, so at what point did tnkted become a "more likely candidate" than Palmar?

Nice logic.

Palmar was a less likely candidate because while Wiggles and tnkted got several people voting on them in a row, for Palmar it was much less so. For Palmar, the first vote was from tnkted. Cyber and Eii also voted early, but Cyber and tnkted dropped off. It was very late when tnkted, you Wiggles, and Cyber came back for the final 3 votes. Right before the 3 votes landed on Palmar, 5-6 people voted on tnkted, and after the 3 votes went to Palmar, 5 people voted on Wiggles, almost as if someone tried to redirect the lynch. Palmar was a candidate, but the bandwagons on tnkted and Wiggles were much stronger.

Wiggles, it looks weird, if it´s not you three, then what really happened?
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#626
On August 26 2011 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'm town, but it doesn't even matter if you believe me, because:

I'm town, so I want to kill scum
If I'm EA, I want to kill mafia to buy town cred
If I'm mafia, I want to kill EA on Day 1, as outlined above
I know it´s taken out of context, but it´s such a nice post.

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On August 26 2011 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On August 26 2011 03:52 Sevryn wrote:
On August 26 2011 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On August 25 2011 23:41 Palmar wrote:
On August 25 2011 23:36 Forumite wrote:
On August 25 2011 23:15 Palmar wrote:
On August 25 2011 23:07 Forumite wrote:
On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right.
Right...


What's your reasoning to believe Wiggles is town?

I don´t trust the primary argument made against him. Meta is usefull, sometimes, but I don´t think it´s applicable in finding a new kind of 3rd party with an unknown optimal play, especially as the meta argument focused specifically on his first post, which wanted to start a discussion more than anything. Since then wiggles has sometimes overreacted in his defences, there might be something there, but some players has said that Wiggles is hard to read, and I´m prepared to trust that Meta more than what Ferryman brought up.


Then take a look at some of the things that have happened in the game.

Wiggles decided to vote Eiii in his opening post. There is nothing wrong with randomly voting, but the fact that he felt the need to specify it was a pressure vote (through linking an awesome song by bowie/queen), shows inherent signs of guilt, and not wanting to stick his neck out. I don't even understand what the purpose of voting someone with the intent of only pressuring would be. At he point in time he threw down that vote it'd have been more sensical to go after one of the players that have posted, or to simply claim the vote on Eiii was to get rid of lurkers.


Basically, that vote was because he was lurking, and because when he actually got around to posting, I wanted him to say something substantial and not just a one-liner before disappearing. The vote draws attention to him, and makes it harder to lurk unnoticed. As well, I was somewhat making fun of the random voting that was happening before my post, as people were all trying to pressure each other, and I was throwing my own in there as well.

Now, he's starting to post more again, and should hopefully pick up his activity and actually discuss things in the last 24 hours before the lynch.

I want to talk about this post, though:
On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Actually screw it.

I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right.

##Unvote tnkted
##Vote Mr. Wiggles
Trying to force a no-lynch is pretty anti-town, as it gives mafia a free round of night kills without any extra information for town. (If mafia's smart, they're not going to hit town mislynch targets).

I'm also interested in this post, because it comes 45 minutes or so before the deadline for the lynch, when tnkted was at 6 votes. This means that he was in danger of having an additional person vote for him, assuring his lynch. By unvoting him, you assure that it will take at least two people to make sure the lynch goes through, and so close to the deadline, it is much more likely that we will instead be forced to use one of our extensions, much better saved for further days.

So, it seems likely to me, that either you and tnkted are scumbuddies and you wanted to save him from the lynch, or that only you yourself are scum, making what looks like a bold town statement in order to assure that the extension is used on Day 1.

##Unvote
##Vote Palmar

Trying to save who you think is townie is not scum play as palmar proved in TL Mafia XLIV I will switch my vote to wiggles so we can get him lynched I still think ferryman made a very strong case against him. Cyber cheese needs to pick up his play.

##unvote
##vote Mr. Wiggles
If you read, you can see that Palmar did not in fact try to save Tnkted, or at least, he did a very bad job of it. He did not adequately explain how Tnkted is town, and he did not push the idea that Tnkted was town in a convincing way. All he did, was remove the vote from Tnkted, ensuring that one of town's two extensions would be used on the worst possible day for it. He hasn't done anything to reinforce Tnkted's credibility, or to actually defend against the accusations of being scum, he just forced a no-lynch, which is anti-town by itself.
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On August 26 2011 03:53 Sevryn wrote:
On August 26 2011 03:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On August 26 2011 03:31 Palmar wrote:
I wanted to save him from the lynch.

That doesn't mean I'm scum, there is a logical leap you're taking right there. Could it possibly be that I'm a townie and I wanted to get another townie's head off the chopping block?

You intentionally avoid that scenario. I already explained my reasoning for thinking tnkted cannot be scum, you choose to ignore that to paint me red. This is basically you grasping at straws, knowing that you're against a wall.

I'm fine with it, I like a race between myself and you much better than a race between tnkted and cyber. And hopefully enough of town is reading the thread properly to see what's truly going on here.
Your reasoning for why tnkted "cannot" be scum is that he posted "lololo". That's very weak evidence to call someone town such that they "cannot" be scum. The only other thing I see, is you saying "But look at how he's posting!", which isn't exactly revealing. This takes away any responsibility for a mislynch off your back, because you can point out that you thought he was town even if you vote him, while not doing much to actually defend tnkted from a lynch or convince others that he's town.

Add on to that, that you did react oddly to tnkted's initial pressure (which makes me feel better about him being town when you flip scum), and that you've just been piggy-backing off of the Ferryman's analysis of me being the EA, also known as not mafia, and I think we've found our first red this game.

Havn't we already established lynching the Eldritch Abomination is pro town? we get an extra day
We do get an extra day, but it is an extra day much better used later into the game. Day 1 lynches are fairly inaccurate, unless scum makes a major mistake (Like I think Palmar did), and trying to kill the EA now just means that town will be launched into Day 1-2, where it will be exactly more of the same as what we've had for the last 48 hours. We get no new information, and no new leads, because Town will want to kill EA for the extra day, but scum will want to kill EA for the town cred, meaning that all scumhunting put into finding the EA is more or less a null tell. Trying to find the EA on day 1, means that he doesn't have to pretend to hunt for actual mafia, and makes it so that the extra lynch is used on the least optimal day, where town has the least leads and information.

I'm town, but it doesn't even matter if you believe me, because:

I'm town, so I want to kill scum
If I'm EA, I want to kill mafia to buy town cred
If I'm mafia, I want to kill EA on Day 1, as outlined above

So, do you think I'm EA? Then I'm hunting scum. I know I'm town, and I'm trying to convince you of such, but it shouldn't even matter when you read my analysis, because the end goal is going to be the same. Look at it impartially, and forget that it was written by Mr. Wiggles, whom you think is EA, and then tell me what you think.

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Forumite
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 01 2011 00:34 GMT
#631
Chaos13 (2)
Cyber_Cheese
Mr. Wiggles

Sevryn (1)
tnkted

Mr. Wiggles (1)
Forumite

Eiii (1)
Jackal 58
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 01 2011 14:51 GMT
#642
Mr. Wiggles (7)
Forumite
Sevryn
Navillus
Eiii
Cyber_Cheese
Chaos13
Jackal58

Chaos13 (1)
Cyber_Cheese
Mr. Wiggles

Sevryn (1)
tnkted

Eiii (0)
Jackal 58
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 01 2011 14:52 GMT
#644
Wiggles has defended himself, but tnkted is nowhere to be seen.
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 01 2011 15:02 GMT
#645
Success!

Okay, this makes it very likely that tnkted is the last scum, it fits his voting pattern day 1, day 3, FoS from JeeJee, not to mention that the whole case against Wiggles was that both he and tnkted were scum, and that they forced a no-lynch to avoid lynching a co-scum.
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 01 2011 15:23 GMT
#647
Mr. Wiggles - visit?
Cyber_Cheese
Sevryn
TheFerryman
chaos13 - visit?
Palmar
Navillus
Eiii
JeeJee - visit?
Jackal58 - visit?
Forumite
Erandorr
tnkted

Odd, of the players that the Psych was asked to visit, it´s only Jackal and Chaos13 that still live, and Night 2 voting were confused enough that we can´t know who of those two that actually got the visit. Wiggles and JeeJee turned out to be scum and got lynched, so the visit on Wiggles was wasted.

With the switch in player, Erandorr will be even harder to read. I want the Psych to visit him tonight.

##Visit Erandorr
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 01 2011 16:12 GMT
#649
Tnkted, in this case it appears that you are part of a voting pattern. Normally there shouldn´t be any, at least not one that is easy to find, but I found something that looked like a pattern, and it lead us to one scum. It also leads to you, which makes me think you are scum too.

The FoS from JeeJee was his way of distancing himself from you two immediately after getting under fire for his breadcrumb. He mentioned you two by names, you were the first two to jump on it, maybe because of just this reason, so you would get some towncred for agreeing with a scum-lynch.
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 01 2011 17:43 GMT
#653
JeeJee tried to at least distance himself from Wiggles with that FoS, it could of course be just towards Wiggles and not tnkted, but tnkted happened to be included in that situation too, and the weird voting. If tnkted wasn´t scum, why didn´t Wiggles vote on him at the end of Day 1, it looked much more likely that tnkted would get lynched than palmar, by that time there were about 5 votes on tnkted, and one on Palmar.
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 01 2011 17:54 GMT
#655
On September 02 2011 02:48 tnkted wrote:
Because he wasn't online. Go look, he talks about being afk or he would have switched his vote.
You were a more likely lynch than Palmar BEFORE Wiggles went offline. What happened during the last few hours were people moving to wiggles from you. If Wiggles had wanted to keep himself alive, then his vote should have gone on you, he voted instead on Palmar which makes me think he didn´t want you to get lynched either.
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 01 2011 21:38 GMT
#663
On September 02 2011 05:32 Hesmyrr wrote:
Erandorr is replaced by Kurumi.
Hmmm... -_-

Welcome to the game Kurumi, if that´s your Real name.

As for Erandorr/Kurumis role, I don´t think we can draw a conclusion from if a player is modkilled or replaced. However, the late introduction is a problem when we want a read on him. Erandorr joined in late to lynch Wiggles, and helped to bring the votes on him to 6, dangerously close, from that we can assume he´s not Scum, but I don´t know besides that.
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 03 2011 01:12 GMT
#680
The thread has slowed down.

With 8 players left, we need 5 votes to get a lynch. We were slow with getting the voting going yesterday, so going right ahead now.

##Vote tnkted
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 03 2011 08:40 GMT
#683
On September 03 2011 12:02 Jackal58 wrote:
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On September 03 2011 10:12 Forumite wrote:
The thread has slowed down.

With 8 players left, we need 5 votes to get a lynch. We were slow with getting the voting going yesterday, so going right ahead now.

##Vote tnkted

Tnkted is most likely the remaining scum. I think our vote today should go on the most likely EA candidate don't you?

Either anti-Town role is equally dangerous,lynching either one is fine, as long as there´s a good candidate, so we reduce the risk of a mislynch or no-lynch. We have a scum candidate, but I haven´t heard a case against a likely EA candidate. Who did you have in mind?
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 04 2011 13:53 GMT
#696
Townie? If tnkted was a Townie, why didn´t he get lynched the first day? Why did he act like a scum and just give up?
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 04 2011 16:30 GMT
#703
Visiting Sevryn/wherebugsgo sounds good, without a good read, perhaps we can at least eliminate him as a possible EA.
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 05 2011 17:58 GMT
#716
Nightkills is not a reliable way of finding scum, it´s mostly WIFOM.

Kurumi, could you tell us what you think about the game so far, and where you think the Scum and EA hide?
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 06 2011 12:44 GMT
#729
Still 24h left on the day.

Okay, Jackal, you say Navillus should be lynched, what do you back it up with? Day 1 voting is unsure, he jumped on Wiggles at the end, and appeared to genuinely want him lynched, the late voting doesn´t exclude a scum, but makes it less likely with tnkted as an alternative lynch. As far as I remember, the Psych was never asked to visit Navillus. Overall, that´s not a very strong case. Do you have any posts or evidence apart from this?
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 06 2011 22:55 GMT
#732
With 6 players left, we need 4 votes to lynch today. Tomorrow, it´s 5 players, and we will still need 4 votes to lynch. We need to be, if not sure, then at least united, if we want to lynch. I had a town-read on Navillus for a long time, but I´ve been wrong before in this game. Navillus doesn´t want to lynch lurkers, but Erandorr is/was a lurker, and an unknown read because of it. Voteanalysis doesn´t help here much either.

Eiii, what do you think? Cyber, what´s your read on Navillus?
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 07 2011 09:07 GMT
#737
I think we´re heading for a no-lynch, but perhaps a no-lynch is better than a mislynch. I´ll be online most of the time before the lynch, but just so I don´t forget, I´m voting now. This feels like a very unsafe lynch. Possible EAs, because it´s hard to find EA-tells, but as for scum connections, neither are very strong, and neither are dropping very noticeable anti-Town-tells either, but of Eiii and Navillus, Navillus sound the most nervous when under pressure.

##Vote Navillus

----

Kurumi
Cyber_Cheese

Navillus
Jackal58
Eiii
Forumite

Eiii
Navillus
Cyber_Cheese
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 07 2011 16:42 GMT
#745
GM removed the rule about extensions quite recently. Blue post, I saw it.
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 07 2011 18:31 GMT
#750
Anyone up for a swim with the frogpeople?

I think the JeeJee reveal was jackals way of getting loads of towncred, while at the same time making people forget that Wiggles was a target for the Day 1 lynch.

That Psych was elusive, I went around, visiting people I thought wouldn´t get lynched or nightkilled, but still couldn´t find him.
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 07 2011 18:44 GMT
#759
On September 08 2011 03:39 GMarshal wrote:
So, the gig is up, I was the ferryman ^_^

AHA!

Right before you got nightkilled, I made the case how it was weird for a newbie to post so much analysis, and how you therefore had to be coached by other scum. It felt a bit embarassing when you immediately flipped green.
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 07 2011 19:23 GMT
#770
I like the Majority votes, Town need to be more aggressive, and that people are forced to take sides, or force a no-lynch. It might get extreme late in the day though, 4 votes required to vote when it´s 5 players, 3 votes when there´s 4 players. Perhaps (Players+1)/2, round up, would be an option.
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 07 2011 22:52 GMT
#784
On September 08 2011 06:04 Erandorr wrote:
For the record I actually was that inactive by choice in this game and also kind of scummy just because I could die by the hands of 2 parties instead of one. That voting fuck up still bugs me though -.-

Really? I did a check on lurkers and their activity in different games, your activity looked about normal.

Also, while the plan with jackal worked, there can be suspicions anyway. Jackal is a good player, and Scum likely want to kill him off early, if he found JeeJee then all the more reason to kill him quickly. That´s what wherebugsgo was on to, Scum kill Jackal, unless he´s scum too. As for Cyber, Jackal and Me, we were considered Town at the end, and should really have been killed off by scum, to remove active players and to leave Town with more potential scum to choose between. That the EA is bulletproof work against the role in this case, I was too noticeable when hunting Wiggles, I should have died after his lynch, and that´s exactly what jackal tried to arrange.
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Sweden3280 Posts
September 08 2011 09:45 GMT
#791
On September 08 2011 10:22 Jackal58 wrote:
Forumite - Why didn't you out me? You knew I was scum.

I was carefull, I knew that if I did a mistake, then they´d kill me directly after, so I was trying to make sure that once you died, everyone would allready be insane, so the extra lynch wouldn´t be able to touch me. It wasn´t quite ready for that.
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September 08 2011 14:59 GMT
#793
On September 08 2011 22:28 tnkted wrote:
I TOLD YALL TO LYNCH FORUMITE


AAAAAAGH

GG guys, jackal's bus of JeeJee is the only reason I didn't accuse him of scum right away; he felt off but I thought that nobody would bother handing us the first scum on d2.

Do you mean the OMGUS when I pushed for your lynch?
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