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I'll buy that Ferryman. Makes more sense to me than the EH push.
On August 26 2011 08:16 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. how is sevryn remotely related to tnkted?
Subtle disconnects.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 25 2011 02:08 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I believe it's in towns best interests to randomly lynch from the get-go, as I've stated a few times in now, so I've been following bandwagons to try and put a lynch through
If I happen to be lynched because of it, so be it, at least towns not wasting a chance to lynch its in scums best interest for town to randomly lynch and ignore scum slips while i was reading the thread i was going to do a write up on CyberCheese however tnkted beat me to it this guy self admitted to jumping on bandwagons. he plays the IDC if i get lynched card this guy is scum. ##vote Cyber_Cheese
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Ferryman, why didn´t you reveal the trap BEFORE the lynch deadline? It might have been enough to save us that extension.
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On August 26 2011 08:27 Jackal58 wrote:I'll buy that Ferryman. Makes more sense to me than the EH push. Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 08:16 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. how is sevryn remotely related to tnkted? Subtle disconnects. + Show Spoiler +On August 25 2011 02:08 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I believe it's in towns best interests to randomly lynch from the get-go, as I've stated a few times in now, so I've been following bandwagons to try and put a lynch through
If I happen to be lynched because of it, so be it, at least towns not wasting a chance to lynch its in scums best interest for town to randomly lynch and ignore scum slips while i was reading the thread i was going to do a write up on CyberCheese however tnkted beat me to it this guy self admitted to jumping on bandwagons. he plays the IDC if i get lynched card this guy is scum. ##vote Cyber_Cheese
not sure if serious.. all that post shows is sevryn going "I was going to make a case against CC but tnkted did it already"
i did pretty much the same thing, am I related now too?
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On August 26 2011 08:31 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 08:27 Jackal58 wrote:I'll buy that Ferryman. Makes more sense to me than the EH push. On August 26 2011 08:16 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. how is sevryn remotely related to tnkted? Subtle disconnects. + Show Spoiler +On August 25 2011 02:08 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I believe it's in towns best interests to randomly lynch from the get-go, as I've stated a few times in now, so I've been following bandwagons to try and put a lynch through
If I happen to be lynched because of it, so be it, at least towns not wasting a chance to lynch its in scums best interest for town to randomly lynch and ignore scum slips while i was reading the thread i was going to do a write up on CyberCheese however tnkted beat me to it this guy self admitted to jumping on bandwagons. he plays the IDC if i get lynched card this guy is scum. ##vote Cyber_Cheese not sure if serious.. all that post shows is sevryn going "I was going to make a case against CC but tnkted did it already" i did pretty much the same thing, am I related now too?
+ Show Spoiler +On August 26 2011 03:52 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 25 2011 23:41 Palmar wrote:On August 25 2011 23:36 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 23:15 Palmar wrote:On August 25 2011 23:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right. Right... What's your reasoning to believe Wiggles is town? I don´t trust the primary argument made against him. Meta is usefull, sometimes, but I don´t think it´s applicable in finding a new kind of 3rd party with an unknown optimal play, especially as the meta argument focused specifically on his first post, which wanted to start a discussion more than anything. Since then wiggles has sometimes overreacted in his defences, there might be something there, but some players has said that Wiggles is hard to read, and I´m prepared to trust that Meta more than what Ferryman brought up. Then take a look at some of the things that have happened in the game. Wiggles decided to vote Eiii in his opening post. There is nothing wrong with randomly voting, but the fact that he felt the need to specify it was a pressure vote (through linking an awesome song by bowie/queen), shows inherent signs of guilt, and not wanting to stick his neck out. I don't even understand what the purpose of voting someone with the intent of only pressuring would be. At he point in time he threw down that vote it'd have been more sensical to go after one of the players that have posted, or to simply claim the vote on Eiii was to get rid of lurkers. Basically, that vote was because he was lurking, and because when he actually got around to posting, I wanted him to say something substantial and not just a one-liner before disappearing. The vote draws attention to him, and makes it harder to lurk unnoticed. As well, I was somewhat making fun of the random voting that was happening before my post, as people were all trying to pressure each other, and I was throwing my own in there as well. Now, he's starting to post more again, and should hopefully pick up his activity and actually discuss things in the last 24 hours before the lynch. I want to talk about this post, though: On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Actually screw it.
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right.
##Unvote tnkted
##Vote Mr. Wiggles Trying to force a no-lynch is pretty anti-town, as it gives mafia a free round of night kills without any extra information for town. (If mafia's smart, they're not going to hit town mislynch targets). I'm also interested in this post, because it comes 45 minutes or so before the deadline for the lynch, when tnkted was at 6 votes. This means that he was in danger of having an additional person vote for him, assuring his lynch. By unvoting him, you assure that it will take at least two people to make sure the lynch goes through, and so close to the deadline, it is much more likely that we will instead be forced to use one of our extensions, much better saved for further days. So, it seems likely to me, that either you and tnkted are scumbuddies and you wanted to save him from the lynch, or that only you yourself are scum, making what looks like a bold town statement in order to assure that the extension is used on Day 1. ##Unvote
##Vote Palmar Trying to save who you think is townie is not scum play as palmar proved in TL Mafia XLIV I will switch my vote to wiggles so we can get him lynched I still think ferryman made a very strong case against him. Cyber cheese needs to pick up his play. ##unvote
##vote Mr. Wiggles
Subtle disconnects.
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On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted.
Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope.
Psych visit who you want to visit but if we tell the psych to visit Wiggles for one Wiggles is someone who has a higher chance than normal to be the EA IMO and by telling the Psych who to visit each day the EA visits someone else and his job of find the psych goes twice as fast making his win condition easier to fulfill.
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On August 26 2011 09:35 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope. Psych visit who you want to visit but if we tell the psych to visit Wiggles for one Wiggles is someone who has a higher chance than normal to be the EA IMO and by telling the Psych who to visit each day the EA visits someone else and his job of find the psych goes twice as fast making his win condition easier to fulfill.
yeah no, this doesn't apply to this variation at all. ea cannot assume that the person we tell the psych to visit isn't the psych. this variation is workable, provided we don't auto-lynch anyone just because psych suicides.
On August 26 2011 08:35 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 08:31 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:27 Jackal58 wrote:I'll buy that Ferryman. Makes more sense to me than the EH push. On August 26 2011 08:16 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. how is sevryn remotely related to tnkted? Subtle disconnects. + Show Spoiler +On August 25 2011 02:08 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I believe it's in towns best interests to randomly lynch from the get-go, as I've stated a few times in now, so I've been following bandwagons to try and put a lynch through
If I happen to be lynched because of it, so be it, at least towns not wasting a chance to lynch its in scums best interest for town to randomly lynch and ignore scum slips while i was reading the thread i was going to do a write up on CyberCheese however tnkted beat me to it this guy self admitted to jumping on bandwagons. he plays the IDC if i get lynched card this guy is scum. ##vote Cyber_Cheese not sure if serious.. all that post shows is sevryn going "I was going to make a case against CC but tnkted did it already" i did pretty much the same thing, am I related now too? + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2011 03:52 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 25 2011 23:41 Palmar wrote:On August 25 2011 23:36 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 23:15 Palmar wrote:On August 25 2011 23:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right. Right... What's your reasoning to believe Wiggles is town? I don´t trust the primary argument made against him. Meta is usefull, sometimes, but I don´t think it´s applicable in finding a new kind of 3rd party with an unknown optimal play, especially as the meta argument focused specifically on his first post, which wanted to start a discussion more than anything. Since then wiggles has sometimes overreacted in his defences, there might be something there, but some players has said that Wiggles is hard to read, and I´m prepared to trust that Meta more than what Ferryman brought up. Then take a look at some of the things that have happened in the game. Wiggles decided to vote Eiii in his opening post. There is nothing wrong with randomly voting, but the fact that he felt the need to specify it was a pressure vote (through linking an awesome song by bowie/queen), shows inherent signs of guilt, and not wanting to stick his neck out. I don't even understand what the purpose of voting someone with the intent of only pressuring would be. At he point in time he threw down that vote it'd have been more sensical to go after one of the players that have posted, or to simply claim the vote on Eiii was to get rid of lurkers. Basically, that vote was because he was lurking, and because when he actually got around to posting, I wanted him to say something substantial and not just a one-liner before disappearing. The vote draws attention to him, and makes it harder to lurk unnoticed. As well, I was somewhat making fun of the random voting that was happening before my post, as people were all trying to pressure each other, and I was throwing my own in there as well. Now, he's starting to post more again, and should hopefully pick up his activity and actually discuss things in the last 24 hours before the lynch. I want to talk about this post, though: On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Actually screw it.
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right.
##Unvote tnkted
##Vote Mr. Wiggles Trying to force a no-lynch is pretty anti-town, as it gives mafia a free round of night kills without any extra information for town. (If mafia's smart, they're not going to hit town mislynch targets). I'm also interested in this post, because it comes 45 minutes or so before the deadline for the lynch, when tnkted was at 6 votes. This means that he was in danger of having an additional person vote for him, assuring his lynch. By unvoting him, you assure that it will take at least two people to make sure the lynch goes through, and so close to the deadline, it is much more likely that we will instead be forced to use one of our extensions, much better saved for further days. So, it seems likely to me, that either you and tnkted are scumbuddies and you wanted to save him from the lynch, or that only you yourself are scum, making what looks like a bold town statement in order to assure that the extension is used on Day 1. ##Unvote
##Vote Palmar Trying to save who you think is townie is not scum play as palmar proved in TL Mafia XLIV I will switch my vote to wiggles so we can get him lynched I still think ferryman made a very strong case against him. Cyber cheese needs to pick up his play. ##unvote
##vote Mr. Wiggles Subtle disconnects.
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On August 26 2011 09:45 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 09:35 Sevryn wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope. Psych visit who you want to visit but if we tell the psych to visit Wiggles for one Wiggles is someone who has a higher chance than normal to be the EA IMO and by telling the Psych who to visit each day the EA visits someone else and his job of find the psych goes twice as fast making his win condition easier to fulfill. yeah no, this doesn't apply to this variation at all. ea cannot assume that the person we tell the psych to visit isn't the psych. this variation is workable, provided we don't auto-lynch anyone just because psych suicides. Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 08:35 Jackal58 wrote:On August 26 2011 08:31 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:27 Jackal58 wrote:I'll buy that Ferryman. Makes more sense to me than the EH push. On August 26 2011 08:16 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. how is sevryn remotely related to tnkted? Subtle disconnects. + Show Spoiler +On August 25 2011 02:08 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I believe it's in towns best interests to randomly lynch from the get-go, as I've stated a few times in now, so I've been following bandwagons to try and put a lynch through
If I happen to be lynched because of it, so be it, at least towns not wasting a chance to lynch its in scums best interest for town to randomly lynch and ignore scum slips while i was reading the thread i was going to do a write up on CyberCheese however tnkted beat me to it this guy self admitted to jumping on bandwagons. he plays the IDC if i get lynched card this guy is scum. ##vote Cyber_Cheese not sure if serious.. all that post shows is sevryn going "I was going to make a case against CC but tnkted did it already" i did pretty much the same thing, am I related now too? + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2011 03:52 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 25 2011 23:41 Palmar wrote:On August 25 2011 23:36 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 23:15 Palmar wrote:On August 25 2011 23:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right. Right... What's your reasoning to believe Wiggles is town? I don´t trust the primary argument made against him. Meta is usefull, sometimes, but I don´t think it´s applicable in finding a new kind of 3rd party with an unknown optimal play, especially as the meta argument focused specifically on his first post, which wanted to start a discussion more than anything. Since then wiggles has sometimes overreacted in his defences, there might be something there, but some players has said that Wiggles is hard to read, and I´m prepared to trust that Meta more than what Ferryman brought up. Then take a look at some of the things that have happened in the game. Wiggles decided to vote Eiii in his opening post. There is nothing wrong with randomly voting, but the fact that he felt the need to specify it was a pressure vote (through linking an awesome song by bowie/queen), shows inherent signs of guilt, and not wanting to stick his neck out. I don't even understand what the purpose of voting someone with the intent of only pressuring would be. At he point in time he threw down that vote it'd have been more sensical to go after one of the players that have posted, or to simply claim the vote on Eiii was to get rid of lurkers. Basically, that vote was because he was lurking, and because when he actually got around to posting, I wanted him to say something substantial and not just a one-liner before disappearing. The vote draws attention to him, and makes it harder to lurk unnoticed. As well, I was somewhat making fun of the random voting that was happening before my post, as people were all trying to pressure each other, and I was throwing my own in there as well. Now, he's starting to post more again, and should hopefully pick up his activity and actually discuss things in the last 24 hours before the lynch. I want to talk about this post, though: On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Actually screw it.
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right.
##Unvote tnkted
##Vote Mr. Wiggles Trying to force a no-lynch is pretty anti-town, as it gives mafia a free round of night kills without any extra information for town. (If mafia's smart, they're not going to hit town mislynch targets). I'm also interested in this post, because it comes 45 minutes or so before the deadline for the lynch, when tnkted was at 6 votes. This means that he was in danger of having an additional person vote for him, assuring his lynch. By unvoting him, you assure that it will take at least two people to make sure the lynch goes through, and so close to the deadline, it is much more likely that we will instead be forced to use one of our extensions, much better saved for further days. So, it seems likely to me, that either you and tnkted are scumbuddies and you wanted to save him from the lynch, or that only you yourself are scum, making what looks like a bold town statement in order to assure that the extension is used on Day 1. ##Unvote
##Vote Palmar Trying to save who you think is townie is not scum play as palmar proved in TL Mafia XLIV I will switch my vote to wiggles so we can get him lynched I still think ferryman made a very strong case against him. Cyber cheese needs to pick up his play. ##unvote
##vote Mr. Wiggles Subtle disconnects. a stunning argument
okay that actually makes sense
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On August 26 2011 10:20 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 09:45 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 09:35 Sevryn wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope. Psych visit who you want to visit but if we tell the psych to visit Wiggles for one Wiggles is someone who has a higher chance than normal to be the EA IMO and by telling the Psych who to visit each day the EA visits someone else and his job of find the psych goes twice as fast making his win condition easier to fulfill. yeah no, this doesn't apply to this variation at all. ea cannot assume that the person we tell the psych to visit isn't the psych. this variation is workable, provided we don't auto-lynch anyone just because psych suicides. On August 26 2011 08:35 Jackal58 wrote:On August 26 2011 08:31 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:27 Jackal58 wrote:I'll buy that Ferryman. Makes more sense to me than the EH push. On August 26 2011 08:16 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. how is sevryn remotely related to tnkted? Subtle disconnects. + Show Spoiler +On August 25 2011 02:08 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I believe it's in towns best interests to randomly lynch from the get-go, as I've stated a few times in now, so I've been following bandwagons to try and put a lynch through
If I happen to be lynched because of it, so be it, at least towns not wasting a chance to lynch its in scums best interest for town to randomly lynch and ignore scum slips while i was reading the thread i was going to do a write up on CyberCheese however tnkted beat me to it this guy self admitted to jumping on bandwagons. he plays the IDC if i get lynched card this guy is scum. ##vote Cyber_Cheese not sure if serious.. all that post shows is sevryn going "I was going to make a case against CC but tnkted did it already" i did pretty much the same thing, am I related now too? + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2011 03:52 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 25 2011 23:41 Palmar wrote:On August 25 2011 23:36 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 23:15 Palmar wrote:On August 25 2011 23:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right. Right... What's your reasoning to believe Wiggles is town? I don´t trust the primary argument made against him. Meta is usefull, sometimes, but I don´t think it´s applicable in finding a new kind of 3rd party with an unknown optimal play, especially as the meta argument focused specifically on his first post, which wanted to start a discussion more than anything. Since then wiggles has sometimes overreacted in his defences, there might be something there, but some players has said that Wiggles is hard to read, and I´m prepared to trust that Meta more than what Ferryman brought up. Then take a look at some of the things that have happened in the game. Wiggles decided to vote Eiii in his opening post. There is nothing wrong with randomly voting, but the fact that he felt the need to specify it was a pressure vote (through linking an awesome song by bowie/queen), shows inherent signs of guilt, and not wanting to stick his neck out. I don't even understand what the purpose of voting someone with the intent of only pressuring would be. At he point in time he threw down that vote it'd have been more sensical to go after one of the players that have posted, or to simply claim the vote on Eiii was to get rid of lurkers. Basically, that vote was because he was lurking, and because when he actually got around to posting, I wanted him to say something substantial and not just a one-liner before disappearing. The vote draws attention to him, and makes it harder to lurk unnoticed. As well, I was somewhat making fun of the random voting that was happening before my post, as people were all trying to pressure each other, and I was throwing my own in there as well. Now, he's starting to post more again, and should hopefully pick up his activity and actually discuss things in the last 24 hours before the lynch. I want to talk about this post, though: On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Actually screw it.
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right.
##Unvote tnkted
##Vote Mr. Wiggles Trying to force a no-lynch is pretty anti-town, as it gives mafia a free round of night kills without any extra information for town. (If mafia's smart, they're not going to hit town mislynch targets). I'm also interested in this post, because it comes 45 minutes or so before the deadline for the lynch, when tnkted was at 6 votes. This means that he was in danger of having an additional person vote for him, assuring his lynch. By unvoting him, you assure that it will take at least two people to make sure the lynch goes through, and so close to the deadline, it is much more likely that we will instead be forced to use one of our extensions, much better saved for further days. So, it seems likely to me, that either you and tnkted are scumbuddies and you wanted to save him from the lynch, or that only you yourself are scum, making what looks like a bold town statement in order to assure that the extension is used on Day 1. ##Unvote
##Vote Palmar Trying to save who you think is townie is not scum play as palmar proved in TL Mafia XLIV I will switch my vote to wiggles so we can get him lynched I still think ferryman made a very strong case against him. Cyber cheese needs to pick up his play. ##unvote
##vote Mr. Wiggles Subtle disconnects. a stunning argument okay that actually makes sense
who would you like psych to visit?
same question @ eii
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On August 26 2011 06:49 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 02:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Alright I hate to bring this up yet again, but I believe I've taken all the cons out of it in it's current implementation, and as such I fear it's been dismissed too soon + Show Spoiler [Breadcrumbing Revisited] +
The doc does not breadcrumb, straightforward.
The previous version was the rest of town feign visiting and psych tells the truth because the psych is our best lead on finding the horror
The forseen problem with that was that the EH would know who 'visited' them and if they didn't die, would know they were not worth a visit
So what if town agreed to which person the psych visits anonymously?
e.g. town agrees that psych should visit (I don't know, me?) and if the psych turns up dead we can assume hes (I'm in this case) the EH
I'm saying town should agree on who the psych should visit and no-one should breadcrumb themselves
essentially turning psych into a group role to avoid the being singled out as did/did not visit
psych dying could correlate to a) psych visited horror, b) horror visited psych or c) mafia attacked psych
if psyche is sane when he dies, we can rule out c, but c could happen the same night as a or b
if we don't know who the psych visits, we don't get any information on who EH might be, if we do, it's a 50/50
Bear in mind that if we can't prepare a strong argument for the person being the EH, we can still leave it at that and not lynch, and if we vote for the psych he can just not visit that night
Thoughts? Opinions? on the caveat that you don't auto-lynch anyone if psych ends up suiciding, then it's workable to try and find out who is the EA. we could use the psych as an EA-cop. i'm in for this. but you've been posting a lot about plans and not a lot about people, so what do you think about sevryn and palmar's unvote?
Since you asked: Sevryn is a person I consider to be in much the same boat as Eiii, with the whole lurking thing
On August 26 2011 09:45 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 09:35 Sevryn wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope. Psych visit who you want to visit but if we tell the psych to visit Wiggles for one Wiggles is someone who has a higher chance than normal to be the EA IMO and by telling the Psych who to visit each day the EA visits someone else and his job of find the psych goes twice as fast making his win condition easier to fulfill. yeah no, this doesn't apply to this variation at all. ea cannot assume that the person we tell the psych to visit isn't the psych. this variation is workable, provided we don't auto-lynch anyone just because psych suicides.
I've been looking through the arguments on breadcrumbing, having read the latest version I believe there are very few reasons that we should be saying the plan wouldn't work, but outright denying it?
It doesn't seem very pro-town to be outright trying to shutdown any plan which might make town create an organized way of searching for the EH.
Of note we should mention it was his idea that everybody breadcrumb and then we can check the psych when he dies, which would have been a resurrection of the original plan without actually removing much EH bias.
At the moment he doesn't particularly stand out overall, he needs more time in the spotlight to form anything solid.
As for palmars cancelled vote?
Both voting off someone you suspect to be a townie and using an extension day 1 are bad options, I don't really see it as much except him considering it the lesser of two evils, there is too much back and forth between him and tnkted. I think a real scum would have lynched Tnkted if he were innocent so we could bring it to night
And a freebie that wasn't in the question Ferryman seems to be clutching at straws now for lynching Wiggles, the whole EH thing doesn't work so he accuses him of mafia instead?
As a townie in wiggles shoes, would you have suggested that your a mafia when the accusations are of you being the EH? I don't know about you guys but the 'trap' definitely would have got me
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On August 26 2011 10:27 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 10:20 Sevryn wrote:On August 26 2011 09:45 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 09:35 Sevryn wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope. Psych visit who you want to visit but if we tell the psych to visit Wiggles for one Wiggles is someone who has a higher chance than normal to be the EA IMO and by telling the Psych who to visit each day the EA visits someone else and his job of find the psych goes twice as fast making his win condition easier to fulfill. yeah no, this doesn't apply to this variation at all. ea cannot assume that the person we tell the psych to visit isn't the psych. this variation is workable, provided we don't auto-lynch anyone just because psych suicides. On August 26 2011 08:35 Jackal58 wrote:On August 26 2011 08:31 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:27 Jackal58 wrote:I'll buy that Ferryman. Makes more sense to me than the EH push. On August 26 2011 08:16 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. how is sevryn remotely related to tnkted? Subtle disconnects. + Show Spoiler +On August 25 2011 02:08 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I believe it's in towns best interests to randomly lynch from the get-go, as I've stated a few times in now, so I've been following bandwagons to try and put a lynch through
If I happen to be lynched because of it, so be it, at least towns not wasting a chance to lynch its in scums best interest for town to randomly lynch and ignore scum slips while i was reading the thread i was going to do a write up on CyberCheese however tnkted beat me to it this guy self admitted to jumping on bandwagons. he plays the IDC if i get lynched card this guy is scum. ##vote Cyber_Cheese not sure if serious.. all that post shows is sevryn going "I was going to make a case against CC but tnkted did it already" i did pretty much the same thing, am I related now too? + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2011 03:52 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 25 2011 23:41 Palmar wrote:On August 25 2011 23:36 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 23:15 Palmar wrote:On August 25 2011 23:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right. Right... What's your reasoning to believe Wiggles is town? I don´t trust the primary argument made against him. Meta is usefull, sometimes, but I don´t think it´s applicable in finding a new kind of 3rd party with an unknown optimal play, especially as the meta argument focused specifically on his first post, which wanted to start a discussion more than anything. Since then wiggles has sometimes overreacted in his defences, there might be something there, but some players has said that Wiggles is hard to read, and I´m prepared to trust that Meta more than what Ferryman brought up. Then take a look at some of the things that have happened in the game. Wiggles decided to vote Eiii in his opening post. There is nothing wrong with randomly voting, but the fact that he felt the need to specify it was a pressure vote (through linking an awesome song by bowie/queen), shows inherent signs of guilt, and not wanting to stick his neck out. I don't even understand what the purpose of voting someone with the intent of only pressuring would be. At he point in time he threw down that vote it'd have been more sensical to go after one of the players that have posted, or to simply claim the vote on Eiii was to get rid of lurkers. Basically, that vote was because he was lurking, and because when he actually got around to posting, I wanted him to say something substantial and not just a one-liner before disappearing. The vote draws attention to him, and makes it harder to lurk unnoticed. As well, I was somewhat making fun of the random voting that was happening before my post, as people were all trying to pressure each other, and I was throwing my own in there as well. Now, he's starting to post more again, and should hopefully pick up his activity and actually discuss things in the last 24 hours before the lynch. I want to talk about this post, though: On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Actually screw it.
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right.
##Unvote tnkted
##Vote Mr. Wiggles Trying to force a no-lynch is pretty anti-town, as it gives mafia a free round of night kills without any extra information for town. (If mafia's smart, they're not going to hit town mislynch targets). I'm also interested in this post, because it comes 45 minutes or so before the deadline for the lynch, when tnkted was at 6 votes. This means that he was in danger of having an additional person vote for him, assuring his lynch. By unvoting him, you assure that it will take at least two people to make sure the lynch goes through, and so close to the deadline, it is much more likely that we will instead be forced to use one of our extensions, much better saved for further days. So, it seems likely to me, that either you and tnkted are scumbuddies and you wanted to save him from the lynch, or that only you yourself are scum, making what looks like a bold town statement in order to assure that the extension is used on Day 1. ##Unvote
##Vote Palmar Trying to save who you think is townie is not scum play as palmar proved in TL Mafia XLIV I will switch my vote to wiggles so we can get him lynched I still think ferryman made a very strong case against him. Cyber cheese needs to pick up his play. ##unvote
##vote Mr. Wiggles Subtle disconnects. a stunning argument okay that actually makes sense who would you like psych to visit? same question @ eii
me that way I know he doesn't die first night and he knows I'm not the horror
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On August 26 2011 10:42 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 10:27 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 10:20 Sevryn wrote:On August 26 2011 09:45 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 09:35 Sevryn wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope. Psych visit who you want to visit but if we tell the psych to visit Wiggles for one Wiggles is someone who has a higher chance than normal to be the EA IMO and by telling the Psych who to visit each day the EA visits someone else and his job of find the psych goes twice as fast making his win condition easier to fulfill. yeah no, this doesn't apply to this variation at all. ea cannot assume that the person we tell the psych to visit isn't the psych. this variation is workable, provided we don't auto-lynch anyone just because psych suicides. On August 26 2011 08:35 Jackal58 wrote:On August 26 2011 08:31 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:27 Jackal58 wrote:I'll buy that Ferryman. Makes more sense to me than the EH push. On August 26 2011 08:16 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. how is sevryn remotely related to tnkted? Subtle disconnects. + Show Spoiler +On August 25 2011 02:08 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I believe it's in towns best interests to randomly lynch from the get-go, as I've stated a few times in now, so I've been following bandwagons to try and put a lynch through
If I happen to be lynched because of it, so be it, at least towns not wasting a chance to lynch its in scums best interest for town to randomly lynch and ignore scum slips while i was reading the thread i was going to do a write up on CyberCheese however tnkted beat me to it this guy self admitted to jumping on bandwagons. he plays the IDC if i get lynched card this guy is scum. ##vote Cyber_Cheese not sure if serious.. all that post shows is sevryn going "I was going to make a case against CC but tnkted did it already" i did pretty much the same thing, am I related now too? + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2011 03:52 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 25 2011 23:41 Palmar wrote:On August 25 2011 23:36 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 23:15 Palmar wrote:On August 25 2011 23:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right. Right... What's your reasoning to believe Wiggles is town? I don´t trust the primary argument made against him. Meta is usefull, sometimes, but I don´t think it´s applicable in finding a new kind of 3rd party with an unknown optimal play, especially as the meta argument focused specifically on his first post, which wanted to start a discussion more than anything. Since then wiggles has sometimes overreacted in his defences, there might be something there, but some players has said that Wiggles is hard to read, and I´m prepared to trust that Meta more than what Ferryman brought up. Then take a look at some of the things that have happened in the game. Wiggles decided to vote Eiii in his opening post. There is nothing wrong with randomly voting, but the fact that he felt the need to specify it was a pressure vote (through linking an awesome song by bowie/queen), shows inherent signs of guilt, and not wanting to stick his neck out. I don't even understand what the purpose of voting someone with the intent of only pressuring would be. At he point in time he threw down that vote it'd have been more sensical to go after one of the players that have posted, or to simply claim the vote on Eiii was to get rid of lurkers. Basically, that vote was because he was lurking, and because when he actually got around to posting, I wanted him to say something substantial and not just a one-liner before disappearing. The vote draws attention to him, and makes it harder to lurk unnoticed. As well, I was somewhat making fun of the random voting that was happening before my post, as people were all trying to pressure each other, and I was throwing my own in there as well. Now, he's starting to post more again, and should hopefully pick up his activity and actually discuss things in the last 24 hours before the lynch. I want to talk about this post, though: On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Actually screw it.
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right.
##Unvote tnkted
##Vote Mr. Wiggles Trying to force a no-lynch is pretty anti-town, as it gives mafia a free round of night kills without any extra information for town. (If mafia's smart, they're not going to hit town mislynch targets). I'm also interested in this post, because it comes 45 minutes or so before the deadline for the lynch, when tnkted was at 6 votes. This means that he was in danger of having an additional person vote for him, assuring his lynch. By unvoting him, you assure that it will take at least two people to make sure the lynch goes through, and so close to the deadline, it is much more likely that we will instead be forced to use one of our extensions, much better saved for further days. So, it seems likely to me, that either you and tnkted are scumbuddies and you wanted to save him from the lynch, or that only you yourself are scum, making what looks like a bold town statement in order to assure that the extension is used on Day 1. ##Unvote
##Vote Palmar Trying to save who you think is townie is not scum play as palmar proved in TL Mafia XLIV I will switch my vote to wiggles so we can get him lynched I still think ferryman made a very strong case against him. Cyber cheese needs to pick up his play. ##unvote
##vote Mr. Wiggles Subtle disconnects. a stunning argument okay that actually makes sense who would you like psych to visit? same question @ eii me that way I know he doesn't die first night and he knows I'm not the horror
I understand your reasoning, but I don't think it's in towns best interests to check you.
In my opinion: We should have the psych visit the people we suspect the most of being the EH checked as early as possible, to minimize the odds that the horror finds the psych first
It's also a good method of alleviating EH pressure from wrongfully accused townies, should that situation exsist.
As such, I think it currently makes the most sense for psych to visit MrWiggles, if we aren't going to lynch him.
If we lynch Wiggles and he turns out not to be the horror, I would check Ferryman overnight instead.
However, with that said, Sevryn is currently one of the people I'd like to have checked early in
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Palmar has a tendency to go off on his own tangent and do things that a lot of townies wouldn't. His forcing us to use an extension was a big mistake, but for him it's not necessarily a scum tell. I still think tnkted is our best lynch. Check out all the attempts at deflection and defenses of him by other players. Never seen that on a town lynch D1.
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[green]whats the vote count?[green]
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EBWODP
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whats the vote count?
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On August 26 2011 10:27 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 10:20 Sevryn wrote:On August 26 2011 09:45 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 09:35 Sevryn wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope. Psych visit who you want to visit but if we tell the psych to visit Wiggles for one Wiggles is someone who has a higher chance than normal to be the EA IMO and by telling the Psych who to visit each day the EA visits someone else and his job of find the psych goes twice as fast making his win condition easier to fulfill. yeah no, this doesn't apply to this variation at all. ea cannot assume that the person we tell the psych to visit isn't the psych. this variation is workable, provided we don't auto-lynch anyone just because psych suicides. On August 26 2011 08:35 Jackal58 wrote:On August 26 2011 08:31 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:27 Jackal58 wrote:I'll buy that Ferryman. Makes more sense to me than the EH push. On August 26 2011 08:16 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted. how is sevryn remotely related to tnkted? Subtle disconnects. + Show Spoiler +On August 25 2011 02:08 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I believe it's in towns best interests to randomly lynch from the get-go, as I've stated a few times in now, so I've been following bandwagons to try and put a lynch through
If I happen to be lynched because of it, so be it, at least towns not wasting a chance to lynch its in scums best interest for town to randomly lynch and ignore scum slips while i was reading the thread i was going to do a write up on CyberCheese however tnkted beat me to it this guy self admitted to jumping on bandwagons. he plays the IDC if i get lynched card this guy is scum. ##vote Cyber_Cheese not sure if serious.. all that post shows is sevryn going "I was going to make a case against CC but tnkted did it already" i did pretty much the same thing, am I related now too? + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2011 03:52 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 25 2011 23:41 Palmar wrote:On August 25 2011 23:36 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 23:15 Palmar wrote:On August 25 2011 23:07 Forumite wrote:On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right. Right... What's your reasoning to believe Wiggles is town? I don´t trust the primary argument made against him. Meta is usefull, sometimes, but I don´t think it´s applicable in finding a new kind of 3rd party with an unknown optimal play, especially as the meta argument focused specifically on his first post, which wanted to start a discussion more than anything. Since then wiggles has sometimes overreacted in his defences, there might be something there, but some players has said that Wiggles is hard to read, and I´m prepared to trust that Meta more than what Ferryman brought up. Then take a look at some of the things that have happened in the game. Wiggles decided to vote Eiii in his opening post. There is nothing wrong with randomly voting, but the fact that he felt the need to specify it was a pressure vote (through linking an awesome song by bowie/queen), shows inherent signs of guilt, and not wanting to stick his neck out. I don't even understand what the purpose of voting someone with the intent of only pressuring would be. At he point in time he threw down that vote it'd have been more sensical to go after one of the players that have posted, or to simply claim the vote on Eiii was to get rid of lurkers. Basically, that vote was because he was lurking, and because when he actually got around to posting, I wanted him to say something substantial and not just a one-liner before disappearing. The vote draws attention to him, and makes it harder to lurk unnoticed. As well, I was somewhat making fun of the random voting that was happening before my post, as people were all trying to pressure each other, and I was throwing my own in there as well. Now, he's starting to post more again, and should hopefully pick up his activity and actually discuss things in the last 24 hours before the lynch. I want to talk about this post, though: On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Actually screw it.
I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right.
##Unvote tnkted
##Vote Mr. Wiggles Trying to force a no-lynch is pretty anti-town, as it gives mafia a free round of night kills without any extra information for town. (If mafia's smart, they're not going to hit town mislynch targets). I'm also interested in this post, because it comes 45 minutes or so before the deadline for the lynch, when tnkted was at 6 votes. This means that he was in danger of having an additional person vote for him, assuring his lynch. By unvoting him, you assure that it will take at least two people to make sure the lynch goes through, and so close to the deadline, it is much more likely that we will instead be forced to use one of our extensions, much better saved for further days. So, it seems likely to me, that either you and tnkted are scumbuddies and you wanted to save him from the lynch, or that only you yourself are scum, making what looks like a bold town statement in order to assure that the extension is used on Day 1. ##Unvote
##Vote Palmar Trying to save who you think is townie is not scum play as palmar proved in TL Mafia XLIV I will switch my vote to wiggles so we can get him lynched I still think ferryman made a very strong case against him. Cyber cheese needs to pick up his play. ##unvote
##vote Mr. Wiggles Subtle disconnects. a stunning argument okay that actually makes sense who would you like psych to visit? same question @ eii
If you're still talking about using the psych to try to find the EA and lynch someone, I think that's an awful idea. So really, psych'd just be trying to predict who the EA would hit. :/ Anyway, forum or navi.
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Ferryman, your trap makes no sense to me.
Firstly, in your analysis of me, why is it odd that you don't mention the possibility of me being town? You maintain a strong conviction throughout your posts, that I am, in fact, the horror. This made sense to me, in the context of your analysis, because the horror and mafia are going to act fundamentally different. An analysis calling someone the horror, wouldn't be the same as an analysis calling someone mafia. So, if you call me the horror, it's because you think I'm the horror, which is different from mafia. -_- For example, the horror won't push the same anti-town things as a mafia would, and in the same way, a mafia probably won't try to avoid focus in the same way as the horror.
Not a hard concept to grasp, and saying that I might be town in your own analysis just seems like a way to weaken it when you're otherwise convinced in your read.
I called you/Palmar out on calling me the horror, because hunting for the horror is an easy action for mafia to take, as opposed to faking scum hunting.
As well, Palmar isn't sticking his neck out too much. In fact, no one even called him out on it, until I did. It rather looked like he was going to get away with it. It would have been much riskier if Tnkted was actually about to be lynched, but instead he just assured that the lynch couldn't happen in the first place.
You're tunneling. You couldn't get people to believe I was the horror, so now you're trying to get them to believe I'm mafia instead.
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On August 26 2011 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Palmar
Oh, come on. We've already used an extension with our votes split, and you throw a third person into the mix?
I'm fine with lynching either wiggles or tnk at this point. The two voting for CC (Erandorr and JeeJee) need to move their votes to one of those two, now.
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Hmmm choosing who the psych checks actually does sound like a good idea, Wiggles, would you object to us agreeing for the psych to check you tonight?
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On August 26 2011 14:15 Navillus wrote:
Hmmm choosing who the psych checks actually does sound like a good idea, Wiggles, would you object to us agreeing for the psych to check you tonight?
I'd be fine with that. The only way it screws up is if EA visits him randomly, or if mafia shoot him. He should make up his own mind about who he wants to visit, though.
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