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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
##Vote tnkted I'Il explain more later but for now basically it's between him and Wiggles and I really don't see a case against wiggles I feel like it's just a lot of tunneling by ferryman where he decided that scum/EH will do X wiggles happened to do X first and now ferry's going after him until he's dead, to be clear I don't think that the X that ferryman thinks is a scum/EH tell is one. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
On August 26 2011 14:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'd be fine with that. The only way it screws up is if EA visits him randomly, or if mafia shoot him. He should make up his own mind about who he wants to visit, though. Ahhh this did not help you in my eyes, are you or are you not ok with it not, "I'm fine with it but he shouldn't" so for one I think mafia kills show up differently, actually [green]will a suicide be announced as a suicide, different from a murder[green] If suicides are announced differently then the only screw-up would be EH guessing right night1 There is a 1/11 chance of EH guessing correctly night1 which means if we do agree to check you and the psych dies the only way it wouldn't mean that you're EH is that 1/11 chance, and honestly I would auto-vote you on 10-1 odds, my question is would you accept this including getting lynched if the psych commits suicide, or are you really that worried about that 1/11 chance? | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
EBWOP will a suicide be announced as a suicide, different from a murder | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On August 26 2011 16:36 Navillus wrote: Ahhh this did not help you in my eyes, are you or are you not ok with it not, "I'm fine with it but he shouldn't" so for one I think mafia kills show up differently, actually [green]will a suicide be announced as a suicide, different from a murder[green] If suicides are announced differently then the only screw-up would be EH guessing right night1 There is a 1/11 chance of EH guessing correctly night1 which means if we do agree to check you and the psych dies the only way it wouldn't mean that you're EH is that 1/11 chance, and honestly I would auto-vote you on 10-1 odds, my question is would you accept this including getting lynched if the psych commits suicide, or are you really that worried about that 1/11 chance? it wont matter, we'll see if hes sane or not | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On August 26 2011 17:51 Eiii wrote: ...it's still a no lynch today unless someone switches to tnk. C'mon now. Not me. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
The vote ends in 5 hours, 15 minutes. Cyber_Cheese (2) Erandorr JeeJee Mr. Wiggles (3) TheFerryman Palmar Sevryn tnkted (6) chaos13 Cyber_Cheese Jackal58 Eiii Forumite Navillus Palmar (2) tnkted Mr. Wiggles | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
Palmar, you´ve been fairly sure about Wiggles since the start, apart from the brief vote on Tnkted which you withdrew before the deadline. Why isn´t Tnkted a good target anymore? Do you still think Wiggles is EA or do you believe Ferrymans "TRAP" and it´s suggestion that Wiggles is Scum? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On August 26 2011 18:48 Forumite wrote: Sevryn, you´ve jumped between Cyber and Wiggles, what made you decide Wiggles was the one? What do you think he is, Scum or EA? Why that role? Palmar, you´ve been fairly sure about Wiggles since the start, apart from the brief vote on Tnkted which you withdrew before the deadline. Why isn´t Tnkted a good target anymore? Do you still think Wiggles is EA or do you believe Ferrymans "TRAP" and it´s suggestion that Wiggles is Scum? Even when I voted for tnkted I did not think he was a good target. Then I decided to change my policies around, and from now on I'm not supporting lynching targets I see no reason to believe are anti-town. The vote on tnkted was simply based on my older policy that no-lynching was anti-town, even at the cost of killing a townie, but now I have changed my mind. I don't really care all too much about Ferryman's case and his trap. I tend to form my own opinions. I don't read exactly the same things as Ferryman does in Wiggles's play, but the attention it has drawn to both of them has given me enough material to work with. While I don't agree with his methods, I do agree with his conclusion. I said even before the trap was revealed that I had no clue how Ferryman pinned him as "EA" rather than just "anti-town", but the trap simply explains why Ferryman thought he could do that. Because from where I stand I was leaning towards Wiggles being normal scum, rather than EA. Me saying I don't agree with his methods doesn't mean they're bad btw, I use some very questionable methods (including tunneling, riling up emotion etc) but they are very effective even if people don't like them. It just means he has a completely different style of play than I do. I think everyone needs to review the case against tnkted, realize they're incorrect and switch the vote onto Mr. Wiggles. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
Wiggles first- We should lynch someone believed to me mafia overnight, while the psych should visit MrWiggles tonight and if he rocks up insane(+dead by logical extension), we know Ferrymans arguments have a solid base While lynching the Eldritch is a great move for town, a day 1 that's extended via Eldritch lynch isn't as useful as say extending day 3/4 At this point, it's a bad idea to introduce people that don't already have votes Myself- I'm not going to vote myself Which leaves Palmar and Tnkted- I'm not an expert on this, was it easier or harder than usual to get votes for tnkted? If it's been harder oneself could assume the mafias supporting him, but if it's been easier than it should then I feel i should move my vote because I've been thinking about this quote of Palmars On August 24 2011 00:29 Palmar wrote: I have discarded my win condition, my sole object this game will be to convince Jackal I'm town, seeing as it's a feat I've never achieved. I'm suspecting Tnkted was onto something, and we've let it slide I'm not sure exactly how strong the back story is, but it seems the kind of joke that would be best if they were both mafia, and/or at the least Palmar was The question is why was he thinking of convincing people that he was town from the get-go, and combined with the whole disregarding the win condition seeming to separate the two unnecessarily if he were to be a town role Also of note is the choice of derp as an initial reply, it would seem the most logical choice if he were to be admitting to a mistake Note that this differs from Navillus on two areas On August 24 2011 00:20 Navillus wrote: Dammit I need to role something more interesting than townie one of these days... anyway, I've never played a mini before so I'm very open to any mini-specific advice anyone has. 1) No matter what Navillus role is, it's something that someone might think to say 2) When called out on it, he didn't react defensively, and chose to vote back on the person who voted him, indicating a lack of concern that he had aroused suspicion That alone, sure it's fine, but combined with the changing vote /extension use thing There were a lot of people defending Palmar, certainly more than Tnkted It all leads me to this ##Unvote ##Vote Palmar | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On August 26 2011 19:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote: On the candidate pool: Wiggles first- We should lynch someone believed to me mafia overnight, while the psych should visit MrWiggles tonight and if he rocks up insane(+dead by logical extension), we know Ferrymans arguments have a solid base While lynching the Eldritch is a great move for town, a day 1 that's extended via Eldritch lynch isn't as useful as say extending day 3/4 At this point, it's a bad idea to introduce people that don't already have votes You're clearly not reading the thread. None of the people pushing Wiggles think he's EA over any other kind of anti-town entity. I have no idea if he's the EA, and neither does Ferryman. The reason people are defending me is because it's sensible to defend me. You're new to this game so I'm leaning that the reason you ignore facts, don't read the thread and approach the game from the point you're doing, is because you're unintentionally bad, instead of Mr. Wiggles's accusation of me which is almost certainly maliciously bad. The fact that Wiggles has tried to swing a vote on me in a game where I am in my opinion radiating townie sunshine all over, is especially incriminating, because it's bad play, and wiggles isn't a bad player. By elimination the only remaining option is Wiggles being maliciously bad, which is almost certainly the case. I still need to form an opinion on you, but I was leaning town. Now that you have proved to me you aren't reading the thread, I need another look. | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
tnkted (5) chaos13 Jackal58 Eiii Forumite Navillus Mr. Wiggles (3) TheFerryman Palmar Sevryn Cyber_Cheese (2) Erandorr JeeJee Palmar (3) tnkted Mr. Wiggles Cyber_Cheese Not voted (0) You have c. 4 hours left to vote. Votes placed at the last moment (in the last few minutes leading up to the night) may not be counted. Remember you need a majority of 7 today to lynch. As usual this is the up to date vote count until the timestamp in the OP reflects otherwise. I will answer questions presently. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
##Vote Mr. Wiggles | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
Sevryn: EBWOP: sigh whats the vote count? This has been updated. Navillus: EBWOP: derp will a suicide be announced as a suicide, different from a murder This mechanic is not revealed to the player. Unless the OP is vague or miswritten you will have to discover this information as it comes. I will however suggest that in this case the answer is probably self-evident. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On August 26 2011 19:21 Palmar wrote: You're clearly not reading the thread. None of the people pushing Wiggles think he's EA over any other kind of anti-town entity. I have no idea if he's the EA, and neither does Ferryman. The reason people are defending me is because it's sensible to defend me. You're new to this game so I'm leaning that the reason you ignore facts, don't read the thread and approach the game from the point you're doing, is because you're unintentionally bad, instead of Mr. Wiggles's accusation of me which is almost certainly maliciously bad. The fact that Wiggles has tried to swing a vote on me in a game where I am in my opinion radiating townie sunshine all over, is especially incriminating, because it's bad play, and wiggles isn't a bad player. By elimination the only remaining option is Wiggles being maliciously bad, which is almost certainly the case. I still need to form an opinion on you, but I was leaning town. Now that you have proved to me you aren't reading the thread, I need another look. I intentionally disregard the 'trap' for three reasons: 1) If it was a trap, wouldn't it be well thought out? Why wouldn't this 'trap' have been sprung BEFORE the extension? Surely if it were designed to be a trap from the get-go there was plenty of time in which the 'trap' could have been sprung with time to spare to secure votes 2) It seems more like a compromise. "Well guys you obviously don't all agree the horror so I'll just call him mafia and you guys vote on him now?" I'm not really sure of a better way to word this, it's just an impression I got 3) Only Palmar and Jackal have expressed any positive interest in the trap, for a grand total of three, and there are three mafia. This one I admit isn't a fair argument to use against it, but the first point basically convinces me on it's own | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On August 26 2011 19:38 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I intentionally disregard the 'trap' for three reasons: 1) If it was a trap, wouldn't it be well thought out? Why wouldn't this 'trap' have been sprung BEFORE the extension? Surely if it were designed to be a trap from the get-go there was plenty of time in which the 'trap' could have been sprung with time to spare to secure votes 2) It seems more like a compromise. "Well guys you obviously don't all agree the horror so I'll just call him mafia and you guys vote on him now?" I'm not really sure of a better way to word this, it's just an impression I got 3) Only Palmar and Jackal have expressed any positive interest in the trap, for a grand total of three, and there are three mafia. This one I admit isn't a fair argument to use against it, but the first point basically convinces me on it's own To the first point, It's absolutely false that the extension is better saved, with less people in the game there is less to discuss. The first day of mafia is always the most important day. I have no idea why/how the trap is set the way it is, I have my own reasons for voting Wiggles, I think I have outlined them pretty well. on point three, again you're guilty not reading the thread. I have no particular interest in the trap, I have never expressed any positive interest in the trap, you're simply saying things that aren't true because you're not reading. The only comment I've given about the trap is that it's weirdness explains something I already questioned. To think that a mafia team would out themselves like that on day one is simply... naive. I hope you really put in the effort to backtrack and read what's truly going on here. | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
While it is allowed, if for any reason we arrive at the end of the day with some abstainers they will most likely receive a ban and be replaced. Remember Voting Rule #6: Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. Ignorance will not be tolerated. Not even the funny kind. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
If we don´t lynch then we loose a Townie, someone goes insane, we risk loosing the psychologist too, and we have 48 more hours of indecisive arguments, with the added bonus of WIFOM. If we mislynch, then at least we have SOMETHING to go on, we can look at votes and arguments, try to find connection between Scum. If we don´t lynch, then we have nothing, and basically restart the game with 8 Town, instead of 9. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 26 2011 21:32 Forumite wrote: Okay, guys, if there are not a total of 7 votes on any one player in just under 2 hours, then there will be NO lynch. We have to lynch as a group, or we don´t lynch at all. If we don´t lynch then we loose a Townie, someone goes insane, we risk loosing the psychologist too, and we have 48 more hours of indecisive arguments, with the added bonus of WIFOM. If we mislynch, then at least we have SOMETHING to go on, we can look at votes and arguments, try to find connection between Scum. If we don´t lynch, then we have nothing, and basically restart the game with 8 Town, instead of 9. If we lynch and lose a townie then all you say is still true and its 7 twon instead of 8. | ||
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