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On August 24 2011 03:39 Varpulis wrote:
wow DB. way to fucking kill the town atmosphere. the last ~5 pages contained no scumhunting, no discussion of lynches, nothing. Just arguments about sanity of dts, supersoft's alignment, and sanity of DropBear.
And as a MEDIC?
I suggest we let the mafia deal with them. If they leave him alive to make him seem suspicious, we have a medic for town to control. Get a dt to check him, and bob's your uncle.
shut up
stop giving our dts bad advice
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On August 24 2011 03:40 Varpulis wrote:
ebwop: DT checks him, if he's red, we trade 1 for 1 and have done with it.
our DT checks are worthless until we find out whether they're sane or not.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Well RayzorFlash is certainly mafia so I'll totally back DB up here.
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On August 24 2011 03:37 Curu wrote:
Actually this makes more sense to me the more I think about. If he was Mafia, he has an excuse for not being touched by Mafia because he led a mislynch and is under fire, he can get through 2-3 more people, claiming guilty on each one, then at the end claim he is actually paranoid and skate the rest of the way.
Keep this in mind if another Medic flips or claims.
In a 30 player game I would not be surprised if there are 2 medics.
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On August 24 2011 03:44 Foolishness wrote:
Well RayzorFlash is certainly mafia so I'll totally back DB up here.
You were uncertain before. Why the change of heart?
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Hah I knew you where lying. And I'm still not buying it.
Lynch all liars. Especially in a setup like this that's basicly begging for fake claims.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 24 2011 03:45 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 03:44 Foolishness wrote:
Well RayzorFlash is certainly mafia so I'll totally back DB up here. You were uncertain before. Why the change of heart?
He's one of the people that has diverted attention away from the case against Mig.
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Does anyone have any observations on Chaos13? This morning I was suspicious of him but after he questioned DropBear's claim I am more inclined to believe that he is town.
At the beginning of Day 1 he wrote passionately about town organisation and how a no-lynch is a tragedy and that it's Palmar's fault for leading town into this.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 20 2011 10:14 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 03:44 DropBear wrote:
I am trying to get things moving, get discussion started. The posts I quoted here are prime example s of why this needs to be done, noone is doing ANYTHING. In no way am I suggesting that they are Mafia, nor was it implied when I quoted them to you.
What do you mean by honesty? I didn't say anything that could potentially have been a lie? I asked questions and made suggestions, they aren't truthful or not. This makes no sense???
I don't understand your problem with me Palmar. If you are so quick to make up your mind off one post, an introduction to the game, then I sure as hell hope GMarshal didn't give you a gun.
The bolded is probably the scummiest thing about DB at the moment. You say that as if Palmar is confirmed town "I hope you didn't land vigi..." Any explanation for this? People keep complaining that the thread is disorganized and nothing proper is getting done. Who started all that? Palmar. Palmar as town is The Brother Leader and Guide of Town. I see absolutely none of that here. So far all he has done is cause mayhem and spam and disorganization and a generally very unhelpful pro-mafia atmosphere. In other words, that stops right fucking now. WE NEED TO BE ORGANIZED FOR THIS GAME TO WORK No lynches are very possible if we keep dicking around the way we have been, and no-lynches gain mafia a free night kill. So here's the deal. If you're going to vote someone, you explain why. Clearly. If you're going to accuse someone of being scum, you explain why you think they are mafia. Clearly. Any other behavior is anti-town and leads to spam and confusion. Let's cut out the spam, cut out the votes without explanation, cut out the troll posts, and cut out the one-liner arguments. My vote goes on the player who led town right into this shitstorm. ##Vote: Palmar
Later, he basically repeated what he had already said. "We're gonna derp ourselves into a useless no-lynch today if this keeps up." This comes at the point when there are seven votes on Sevryn.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 20 2011 23:38 chaos13 wrote:
We're gonna derp ourselves into a useless no-lynch today if this keeps up. This thread is a mess. I'm not sure on who thinks what of who any more because things are so muddled up with accusations everywhere and a complete lack of clarity in communication.
Again, who started this? Palmar.
When Sevryn confronted him that by voting Palmar he is directly helping the lynch of someone he believed was town, Chaos13 said:
On August 21 2011 09:31 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 09:25 Sevryn wrote:
all your doing is abstaining if you think im not scum then you need to vote for a viable lynch target other wise your just not voting and thats scummy.
palmar I should have played better dont blame yourself I'm voting for the person I think is scum. I fail to see how that is scummy.
Only to change his decision an hour later with:
On August 21 2011 10:29 chaos13 wrote:
Whatever. Sevryn is probably town and I don't want to see him lynched so
He switched to Rayzor at the moment when everyone awake had to do it in order to remain unsuspicous and it was also clear that there would be a lynch no matter what. In case Rayzor is town, both lynchings are okay for mafia, so they lose nothing.
Overall, hardly said anything useful all day long, yet he kept on going about how town is not organised and others aren't contributing.
Also, I'm not happy with this bit:
His defense (Mig's), just like chaoser's original accusation, feels false to me. I'm really not seeing anything genuine here. Mig as a player has a tendency to become very involved in the game, actively scumhunting, leading people, and basically taking control. This is such a passive defense, and is weak for such a strong player. I don't see much substance to it. This isn't an accusation of Mig, I just want to see if anyone else felt the same way about this post as I did.
He goes on and on about how the other players bring nothing to the table and to do this he writes a whole paragraph that can be reduced to half a sentence.
P.S. A reply to Curu's post from earlier today:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 23 2011 20:42 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 18:30 xtfftc wrote:Wall of text incoming: On August 23 2011 11:37 Curu wrote:
xtffc's "two town kills" slip definitely needs to be looked at, and I don't buy his defense. He describes town kills as kills that the Town makes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with modkills. Town does not control modkills, sick slip????? Of course townkills have nothing to do with modkills. Townkills are made by town, modkills by mods. What is the problem? You posted about "we need to get two town kills." That's taken to mean killing two townies - you tried to explain it away by saying town kills are kills controlled by the town = lynch and modkill. I pointed out modkill is not controlled by the Town, you agree with me. So...what did you mean by town kill? I see now. The town already wanted to kill Sevryn when Wherebugsgo suggested that he is likely to be modkilled. So even though he would have technically been killed by a mod, it was going to be what the majority wanted.
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Alright well stuff that jumped out at me since DB's claim:
On August 23 2011 21:43 Kurumi wrote:
DB, didn't Foolishness claim RB? Unless supersoft flips RB You're fucked and You know it. But Supersoft might flip miller or regular goon(or anything else goes).
I still don't know what the hell Kurumi was trying to say here, he also disappeared after someone asked him to explain.
VE didn't weigh in at all on the situation, beyond posting some one liner.
xtfftc conveniently fades into the background during the chaos, letting us forget about him and not posting at all.
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Ok, this town is full of WIFOM, and it has a name: Dropbear.
This exact situation happened in wherewolfs. day2, someone claims DT, we keep him alive. Town then spends 2 days trying to decide if the claimer is telling the truth or not. we kill him 2 days later: he was a DT. Knowing this, I wish I would have lynched him right when he claimed. We would have lost a DT, but established an important meta: claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen!
claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen
I say there is a 50/50 chance that DB is scum. considering all thats happened today, thats good enough to lynch off of.
##Vote: DropBear
DB, If you town, I am sorry, but you left us in a terrible situation.
xtfftc defense has been fairly reasonable. he has not back away from what he said, and he seems to general feel that he has done nothing wrong. good on ya xtfftc, lets scum hunt.
Also, apologies to GreyMist for calling him out when I didn't notice he was asking for a replacement.
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Oh there's xtfftc. Ninja'd.
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On August 24 2011 04:12 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, this town is full of WIFOM, and it has a name: Dropbear.
This exact situation happened in wherewolfs. day2, someone claims DT, we keep him alive. Town then spends 2 days trying to decide if the claimer is telling the truth or not. we kill him 2 days later: he was a DT. Knowing this, I wish I would have lynched him right when he claimed. We would have lost a DT, but established an important meta: claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen!
claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen
I say there is a 50/50 chance that DB is scum. considering all thats happened today, thats good enough to lynch off of.
##Vote: DropBear
DB, If you town, I am sorry, but you left us in a terrible situation.
xtfftc defense has been fairly reasonable. he has not back away from what he said, and he seems to general feel that he has done nothing wrong. good on ya xtfftc, lets scum hunt.
Also, apologies to GreyMist for calling him out when I didn't notice he was asking for a replacement.
This post reeks of scum.
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On August 24 2011 04:15 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:12 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, this town is full of WIFOM, and it has a name: Dropbear.
This exact situation happened in wherewolfs. day2, someone claims DT, we keep him alive. Town then spends 2 days trying to decide if the claimer is telling the truth or not. we kill him 2 days later: he was a DT. Knowing this, I wish I would have lynched him right when he claimed. We would have lost a DT, but established an important meta: claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen!
claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen
I say there is a 50/50 chance that DB is scum. considering all thats happened today, thats good enough to lynch off of.
##Vote: DropBear
DB, If you town, I am sorry, but you left us in a terrible situation.
xtfftc defense has been fairly reasonable. he has not back away from what he said, and he seems to general feel that he has done nothing wrong. good on ya xtfftc, lets scum hunt.
Also, apologies to GreyMist for calling him out when I didn't notice he was asking for a replacement. This post reeks of scum.
how so?
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 24 2011 04:15 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:12 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, this town is full of WIFOM, and it has a name: Dropbear.
This exact situation happened in wherewolfs. day2, someone claims DT, we keep him alive. Town then spends 2 days trying to decide if the claimer is telling the truth or not. we kill him 2 days later: he was a DT. Knowing this, I wish I would have lynched him right when he claimed. We would have lost a DT, but established an important meta: claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen!
claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen
I say there is a 50/50 chance that DB is scum. considering all thats happened today, thats good enough to lynch off of.
##Vote: DropBear
DB, If you town, I am sorry, but you left us in a terrible situation.
xtfftc defense has been fairly reasonable. he has not back away from what he said, and he seems to general feel that he has done nothing wrong. good on ya xtfftc, lets scum hunt.
Also, apologies to GreyMist for calling him out when I didn't notice he was asking for a replacement. This post reeks of scum.
Finally someone else notices about this guy
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United States22154 Posts
On August 23 2011 22:15 Curu wrote:How do you know this? Are Millers/Nosy Neighbors told they are such?
No
On August 23 2011 23:30 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 23:27 supersoft wrote:
sane = normal DT
insane = always the opposite
paranoid = always red
naive = always green
is that correct?
Yes
Can the mafia player choose which role to receive a safe claim for, or does the mod just randomly choose a role to provide?
The mafia team may request any, and however many, safe claims they wish, weather 6 dt claims or 47 VT claims, and I will provide them
Also, last warning before I start calling out people by name, please stop spamming one liners. They upset me. You won't like me if I'm upset
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On August 24 2011 04:12 xtfftc wrote:Does anyone have any observations on Chaos13? This morning I was suspicious of him but after he questioned DropBear's claim I am more inclined to believe that he is town. At the beginning of Day 1 he wrote passionately about town organisation and how a no-lynch is a tragedy and that it's Palmar's fault for leading town into this. + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2011 10:14 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 03:44 DropBear wrote:
I am trying to get things moving, get discussion started. The posts I quoted here are prime example s of why this needs to be done, noone is doing ANYTHING. In no way am I suggesting that they are Mafia, nor was it implied when I quoted them to you.
What do you mean by honesty? I didn't say anything that could potentially have been a lie? I asked questions and made suggestions, they aren't truthful or not. This makes no sense???
I don't understand your problem with me Palmar. If you are so quick to make up your mind off one post, an introduction to the game, then I sure as hell hope GMarshal didn't give you a gun.
The bolded is probably the scummiest thing about DB at the moment. You say that as if Palmar is confirmed town "I hope you didn't land vigi..." Any explanation for this? People keep complaining that the thread is disorganized and nothing proper is getting done. Who started all that? Palmar. Palmar as town is The Brother Leader and Guide of Town. I see absolutely none of that here. So far all he has done is cause mayhem and spam and disorganization and a generally very unhelpful pro-mafia atmosphere. In other words, that stops right fucking now. WE NEED TO BE ORGANIZED FOR THIS GAME TO WORK No lynches are very possible if we keep dicking around the way we have been, and no-lynches gain mafia a free night kill. So here's the deal. If you're going to vote someone, you explain why. Clearly. If you're going to accuse someone of being scum, you explain why you think they are mafia. Clearly. Any other behavior is anti-town and leads to spam and confusion. Let's cut out the spam, cut out the votes without explanation, cut out the troll posts, and cut out the one-liner arguments. My vote goes on the player who led town right into this shitstorm. ##Vote: Palmar Later, he basically repeated what he had already said. "We're gonna derp ourselves into a useless no-lynch today if this keeps up." This comes at the point when there are seven votes on Sevryn. + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2011 23:38 chaos13 wrote:
We're gonna derp ourselves into a useless no-lynch today if this keeps up. This thread is a mess. I'm not sure on who thinks what of who any more because things are so muddled up with accusations everywhere and a complete lack of clarity in communication.
Again, who started this? Palmar. When Sevryn confronted him that by voting Palmar he is directly helping the lynch of someone he believed was town, Chaos13 said: Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 09:31 chaos13 wrote:On August 21 2011 09:25 Sevryn wrote:
all your doing is abstaining if you think im not scum then you need to vote for a viable lynch target other wise your just not voting and thats scummy.
palmar I should have played better dont blame yourself I'm voting for the person I think is scum. I fail to see how that is scummy. Only to change his decision an hour later with: Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 10:29 chaos13 wrote:
Whatever. Sevryn is probably town and I don't want to see him lynched so He switched to Rayzor at the moment when everyone awake had to do it in order to remain unsuspicous and it was also clear that there would be a lynch no matter what. In case Rayzor is town, both lynchings are okay for mafia, so they lose nothing. Overall, hardly said anything useful all day long, yet he kept on going about how town is not organised and others aren't contributing.Also, I'm not happy with this bit: Show nested quote +His defense (Mig's), just like chaoser's original accusation, feels false to me. I'm really not seeing anything genuine here. Mig as a player has a tendency to become very involved in the game, actively scumhunting, leading people, and basically taking control. This is such a passive defense, and is weak for such a strong player. I don't see much substance to it. This isn't an accusation of Mig, I just want to see if anyone else felt the same way about this post as I did. He goes on and on about how the other players bring nothing to the table and to do this he writes a whole paragraph that can be reduced to half a sentence. P.S. A reply to Curu's post from earlier today: + Show Spoiler +On August 23 2011 20:42 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 18:30 xtfftc wrote:Wall of text incoming: On August 23 2011 11:37 Curu wrote:
xtffc's "two town kills" slip definitely needs to be looked at, and I don't buy his defense. He describes town kills as kills that the Town makes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with modkills. Town does not control modkills, sick slip????? Of course townkills have nothing to do with modkills. Townkills are made by town, modkills by mods. What is the problem? You posted about "we need to get two town kills." That's taken to mean killing two townies - you tried to explain it away by saying town kills are kills controlled by the town = lynch and modkill. I pointed out modkill is not controlled by the Town, you agree with me. So...what did you mean by town kill? I see now. The town already wanted to kill Sevryn when Wherebugsgo suggested that he is likely to be modkilled. So even though he would have technically been killed by a mod, it was going to be what the majority wanted.
You said you were suspicious of him this morning? Why didn't you share write it down in the thread then? This defense comes out of the nowhere.
There are two possibilities. Either you are scum and you want to protect your scumbuddy. Or you are scum, you know you will die tonight, so you defend someone, because you want us to believe he's scum, too. after you flip red.
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On August 24 2011 04:13 Curu wrote:
Oh there's xtfftc. Ninja'd.
To be fair, I was online all day but there were like five new posts every time I refreshed and I felt that there was enough spam without my help.
At one point I thought that DropBear was DT but had suddenly realised that he might be insane or paranoid. Hence he wanted to lynch the person he checked on Night 1 to find out whether he is sane or not before picking up a target for Night 2. But then he came back to confess.
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On August 24 2011 04:23 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:12 xtfftc wrote:Does anyone have any observations on Chaos13? This morning I was suspicious of him but after he questioned DropBear's claim I am more inclined to believe that he is town. At the beginning of Day 1 he wrote passionately about town organisation and how a no-lynch is a tragedy and that it's Palmar's fault for leading town into this. + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2011 10:14 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 03:44 DropBear wrote:
I am trying to get things moving, get discussion started. The posts I quoted here are prime example s of why this needs to be done, noone is doing ANYTHING. In no way am I suggesting that they are Mafia, nor was it implied when I quoted them to you.
What do you mean by honesty? I didn't say anything that could potentially have been a lie? I asked questions and made suggestions, they aren't truthful or not. This makes no sense???
I don't understand your problem with me Palmar. If you are so quick to make up your mind off one post, an introduction to the game, then I sure as hell hope GMarshal didn't give you a gun.
The bolded is probably the scummiest thing about DB at the moment. You say that as if Palmar is confirmed town "I hope you didn't land vigi..." Any explanation for this? People keep complaining that the thread is disorganized and nothing proper is getting done. Who started all that? Palmar. Palmar as town is The Brother Leader and Guide of Town. I see absolutely none of that here. So far all he has done is cause mayhem and spam and disorganization and a generally very unhelpful pro-mafia atmosphere. In other words, that stops right fucking now. WE NEED TO BE ORGANIZED FOR THIS GAME TO WORK No lynches are very possible if we keep dicking around the way we have been, and no-lynches gain mafia a free night kill. So here's the deal. If you're going to vote someone, you explain why. Clearly. If you're going to accuse someone of being scum, you explain why you think they are mafia. Clearly. Any other behavior is anti-town and leads to spam and confusion. Let's cut out the spam, cut out the votes without explanation, cut out the troll posts, and cut out the one-liner arguments. My vote goes on the player who led town right into this shitstorm. ##Vote: Palmar Later, he basically repeated what he had already said. "We're gonna derp ourselves into a useless no-lynch today if this keeps up." This comes at the point when there are seven votes on Sevryn. + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2011 23:38 chaos13 wrote:
We're gonna derp ourselves into a useless no-lynch today if this keeps up. This thread is a mess. I'm not sure on who thinks what of who any more because things are so muddled up with accusations everywhere and a complete lack of clarity in communication.
Again, who started this? Palmar. When Sevryn confronted him that by voting Palmar he is directly helping the lynch of someone he believed was town, Chaos13 said: On August 21 2011 09:31 chaos13 wrote:On August 21 2011 09:25 Sevryn wrote:
all your doing is abstaining if you think im not scum then you need to vote for a viable lynch target other wise your just not voting and thats scummy.
palmar I should have played better dont blame yourself I'm voting for the person I think is scum. I fail to see how that is scummy. Only to change his decision an hour later with: On August 21 2011 10:29 chaos13 wrote:
Whatever. Sevryn is probably town and I don't want to see him lynched so He switched to Rayzor at the moment when everyone awake had to do it in order to remain unsuspicous and it was also clear that there would be a lynch no matter what. In case Rayzor is town, both lynchings are okay for mafia, so they lose nothing. Overall, hardly said anything useful all day long, yet he kept on going about how town is not organised and others aren't contributing.Also, I'm not happy with this bit: His defense (Mig's), just like chaoser's original accusation, feels false to me. I'm really not seeing anything genuine here. Mig as a player has a tendency to become very involved in the game, actively scumhunting, leading people, and basically taking control. This is such a passive defense, and is weak for such a strong player. I don't see much substance to it. This isn't an accusation of Mig, I just want to see if anyone else felt the same way about this post as I did. He goes on and on about how the other players bring nothing to the table and to do this he writes a whole paragraph that can be reduced to half a sentence. P.S. A reply to Curu's post from earlier today: + Show Spoiler +On August 23 2011 20:42 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 18:30 xtfftc wrote:Wall of text incoming: On August 23 2011 11:37 Curu wrote:
xtffc's "two town kills" slip definitely needs to be looked at, and I don't buy his defense. He describes town kills as kills that the Town makes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with modkills. Town does not control modkills, sick slip????? Of course townkills have nothing to do with modkills. Townkills are made by town, modkills by mods. What is the problem? You posted about "we need to get two town kills." That's taken to mean killing two townies - you tried to explain it away by saying town kills are kills controlled by the town = lynch and modkill. I pointed out modkill is not controlled by the Town, you agree with me. So...what did you mean by town kill? I see now. The town already wanted to kill Sevryn when Wherebugsgo suggested that he is likely to be modkilled. So even though he would have technically been killed by a mod, it was going to be what the majority wanted. You said you were suspicious of him this morning? Why didn't you share write it down in the thread then? This defense comes out of the nowhere. There are two possibilities. Either you are scum and you want to protect your scumbuddy. Or you are scum, you know you will die tonight, so you defend someone, because you want us to believe he's scum, too. after you flip red.
Or I was too busy defending myself from your annoying tunneling and didn't have the time to spend on a usefull case.
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On August 24 2011 04:12 Curu wrote:Alright well stuff that jumped out at me since DB's claim: Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 21:43 Kurumi wrote:
DB, didn't Foolishness claim RB? Unless supersoft flips RB You're fucked and You know it. But Supersoft might flip miller or regular goon(or anything else goes). I still don't know what the hell Kurumi was trying to say here, he also disappeared after someone asked him to explain. VE didn't weigh in at all on the situation, beyond posting some one liner. xtfftc conveniently fades into the background during the chaos, letting us forget about him and not posting at all.
DropBear claims DT
Foolishness claimed being Roleblocked - there is at least one roleblocker in play
I thought DropBear is a real DT (I forgot about sanity, sorry) so I thought that supersoft would need to flip rb otherwise DB would be useless DT. I also pointed out that supersoft could be miller/goon/any role stated in op which comes back as guilty
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On August 24 2011 04:23 xtfftc wrote:To be fair, I was online all day but there were like five new posts every time I refreshed and I felt that there was enough spam without my help. At one point I thought that DropBear was DT but had suddenly realised that he might be insane or paranoid. Hence he wanted to lynch the person he checked on Night 1 to find out whether he is sane or not before picking up a target for Night 2. But then he came back to confess.
share your thought about nard and kurumi please.
I asked you about these guys like 10 times and you never answered. You don't have to be upset because I vote for you. It's nothing personal, I just think that you are scum.
You never ever accuse anyone in here, just like nard, you just keep summarizing what happens...
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