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On August 24 2011 00:41 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 00:38 Vain wrote:On August 24 2011 00:31 DropBear wrote:On August 24 2011 00:27 Mig wrote:
Why would you ever do this as medic DB why? Were you trying to get the mafia to shoot you? Chaoser did it to draw shots because he was a vet.
Jesus Yeah well you know from RTM that my judgement isn't always best T_T Sorry for being a retard but we need to get back to business. RayzorFlash and xtfftc? Yeah, but why was the mindset of this? get supersoft lynched? get mig lynched? get yourself lynched? I'm just confused why you thought it was a good idea to claim, please elaborate because you could have just made a case against supersoft without being night target Number one I was suss as hell on supersoft, he kept defending Mig, Foolishness was voting Mig, I know Foolishness was a good guy, people were starting to unvote Mig, Mig was starting to push me and not many people were disputing it. I was getting pressure for my dodgy claim and I fold under pressure lol. I'm done discussing this, I fucked things up enough already. Sorry everyone. Let's get back to business people.
Can you explain what made you suspicious of me?
Right now I'm a bit confused. We don't have all that much time to come up with a proper lynch target, and from the looks of it we have doubts on almost all of them right now. It's possible, IMO, that we're being misled and mafia are just flying under the radar.
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We could always kill BrownBear!
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On August 24 2011 00:41 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 00:38 Vain wrote:On August 24 2011 00:31 DropBear wrote:On August 24 2011 00:27 Mig wrote:
Why would you ever do this as medic DB why? Were you trying to get the mafia to shoot you? Chaoser did it to draw shots because he was a vet.
Jesus Yeah well you know from RTM that my judgement isn't always best T_T Sorry for being a retard but we need to get back to business. RayzorFlash and xtfftc? Yeah, but why was the mindset of this? get supersoft lynched? get mig lynched? get yourself lynched? I'm just confused why you thought it was a good idea to claim, please elaborate because you could have just made a case against supersoft without being night target Number one I was suss as hell on supersoft, he kept defending Mig, Foolishness was voting Mig, I know Foolishness was a good guy, people were starting to unvote Mig, Mig was starting to push me and not many people were disputing it. I was getting pressure for my dodgy claim and I fold under pressure lol. I'm done discussing this, I fucked things up enough already. Sorry everyone. Let's get back to business people.
ah i don't buy the whole story:
to summarize your story:
You think foolishness is town. He accuses mig therefor mig must be scum. I push for a different target than mig, therefor i must be scum, too?!
why didn't you wait until tomorrow to accuse me? if xtfftc would have been lynched and flipped red, you would probably know that I am innocent despite defending mig.
If my target flips green - okay I understand if you build a case against me then... And if mig dies and flips red, I'd understand it, too.
But you don't know anything! Your whole theory bases on Foolishness being town. But guess what, even a townie can be wrong! Trusting that he's town doesn't mean you have to trust his decisions!
i don't know...
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Cos I'm an idiot. Can we drop it please. Forget it happened. Stop the derailment. Mafia will be laughin their arse off right now.
Get back to scumhunting. RayzorFlash you have disappeared.
##Vote RayzorFlash
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On August 24 2011 01:09 DropBear wrote:
Cos I'm an idiot. Can we drop it please. Forget it happened. Stop the derailment. Mafia will be laughin their arse off right now.
Get back to scumhunting. RayzorFlash you have disappeared.
##Vote RayzorFlash
Stop the derailment...
Derails and votes Rayzorflash...
Dude, either you're retarded or you're scum. Wtf are you doing?
Also, in case a mod didn't see my question:
Can the mafia player choose which role to receive a safe claim for, or does the mod just randomly choose a role to provide?
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On August 24 2011 01:09 DropBear wrote:
Cos I'm an idiot. Can we drop it please. Forget it happened. Stop the derailment. Mafia will be laughin their arse off right now.
Get back to scumhunting. RayzorFlash you have disappeared.
##Vote RayzorFlash
we already discussed why xtfftc is a better target than rayzor. never mind...
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My mind is full of fuck.
Thank you DB for singlehandedly destroying any progress we have made today.
That being said we do have an opportunity to 100% confirm Foolishness. Lynch DB.
If he is a medic Foolishness is 100% guaranteed town. If there is a second medic in the game he parks his ass on him. Of course if DB is a lying piece of shit and flips red odds are better than 95% that Foolishness is scum as well. Now before you all come screaming "SCUM" at me for proposing we lynch our medic ask yourselves how sure you are he's telling the truth and then ask yourselves how great it would be to have a 100% confirmed townie in Foolishness. I'm just throwing this out for consideration and debate.
Another option we have right now is we can all vote for Munk-E, Nard or Pyo. We all talk a good game about lynching lurkers but it never happens. I admit to not being the worlds greatest scum hunter but right now the people who are being mentioned don't seem like our best options atm.
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I don't like jackal's plan. I'm not on the hunt for confirmed townies, but scum.
Worst case they're lying, and since no one counterclaims DB, Foolishness is scum. It looks like an insane gambit from scum point of view. Occam's razor tells us they're both town.
I hope our vigis shoot scummy lurkers, I want to lynch scummy active people.
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On August 24 2011 00:49 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 18:34 Erandorr wrote:Good morning  Foolish, I for one can tell you that I absolutely have diverted attention away from Mig. Why ? Because I am not buying it as of yet. Do I think Mig might be Scum? He may very well be.But what I have tried to say earlier already is that if you ignore the experiences you already have with a player, your whole meta argument, then your suspicions seem not as strong. That does not mean Mig is town by any means, but there are people i think of as equally scummy, if not more, and right now I do not see the reason not to vote for those I have listed before. Scummy ass line, town doesn't usually feel the need to qualify their statements as such. That being said wtf Dropbear....a fake claim of DT into ??? claim of medic? The reason why I fake claimed DT in XXXIX was because I had PUSHED for that one person the whole day and decided to take a calculated risk. If I was wrong, vigi would shoot me and I'd survive since I was vet, confirming me. If I was right, mafia would obviously stack two hits on me and since I was a vet, all I needed was a medic to protect me and all of the mafia's hits would have been wasted that night...my head hurts...I need to rethink things...
Yeah sorry for trying to give my thought process. way to be scummy
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What is this I don't even...
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On August 24 2011 00:20 DropBear wrote:
alright alright im not a detective. Was trying to pull a chaoser. I should have left that sort of play to people who know what they are doing.
Guardian Angel - welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are Anfial, One of the 64 angel wardens of the celestial halls. You have been sent here to protect the citizens of liquidia and keep the cult from gaining access to the scourge. Your symbols are the needle and the ice, and every night you can choose to watch over a citizen, safeguarding them in their sleep with your sheild of frost and fury, keeping them safe from one KP. You walk about liquidia in human guise, pretending to be just another villager, although your eyes burn with the warth of God when you think of the cultists
I'm the medic who protected Foolishness. That's how I know he is confirmed town. I voted Mig entirely because Foolishness did. I am having real troubles working out who is who other than that.
I have no idea about Mig anymore and I'm not even sure about supersoft after his responses.
Sorry all.
Why the hell would you claim DT in the first place then? And why the FUCK would you claim this now if you really are medic? And now, that you've admitted to lying in thread, how on earth do you expect us to trust anything you say?
I agree with Curu. What is this I don't even...
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I got a very stupid question :
If you protected foolish, doesnt that mean that 1) you cant take any hits and b) now that you came out put foolish at risk because you are not vet and cant take an extra hit and there will be 1 less medic?
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On August 24 2011 01:24 Jackal58 wrote:
My mind is full of fuck.
Thank you DB for singlehandedly destroying any progress we have made today.
That being said we do have an opportunity to 100% confirm Foolishness. Lynch DB.
If he is a medic Foolishness is 100% guaranteed town. If there is a second medic in the game he parks his ass on him. Of course if DB is a lying piece of shit and flips red odds are better than 95% that Foolishness is scum as well. Now before you all come screaming "SCUM" at me for proposing we lynch our medic ask yourselves how sure you are he's telling the truth and then ask yourselves how great it would be to have a 100% confirmed townie in Foolishness. I'm just throwing this out for consideration and debate.
Another option we have right now is we can all vote for Munk-E, Nard or Pyo. We all talk a good game about lynching lurkers but it never happens. I admit to not being the worlds greatest scum hunter but right now the people who are being mentioned don't seem like our best options atm.
For reasons specified earlier, my vote stays on xtfftc. I think it's too late in the day anyway to get enough people to swap over to DB, we're probably stuck on Mig or xtfftc at this point.
As far as the lurker count goes... not really worth wasting days on IMO. There's enough scummy active people, we can deal with the lurkers later. If the lurker pool grows we'll have to take a look at it.
Also, Palmar... give it up already bro.
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On August 24 2011 01:09 DropBear wrote:
Cos I'm an idiot. Can we drop it please. Forget it happened. Stop the derailment. Mafia will be laughin their arse off right now.
Get back to scumhunting. RayzorFlash you have disappeared.
##Vote RayzorFlash
Are you even reading the fucking thread? A RayzorFlash vote is useless at this point, RayzorFlash is not a top candidate, you like supersoft/Mig so you fakeclaim DT, fake a guilty on supersoft but vote Mig and now you're voting RAYZORFLASH? Build a good case against Rayzor if you want that to be the lynch. If you were suspicious enough about supersoft build a real case. If you are suspicious of Mig build a case.
WHY RAYZORFLASH AFTER YOU DID A DROPDEAD (HAHAHAH GET IT???) RETARDED GAMBIT TO TRY TO ENFORCE YOUR SCUMREAD AGAINST SUPERSOFT/MIG? And then it comes out that you're actually the godamn MEDIC?
Seriously DB what the HELL are you doing?
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Townies don't have a very good reason to lie most of the time. There's a reason there's a lynch all liars rule, right?
The thing is, I don't know if it's the best idea to lynch DB right now. I agree with Jackal's reasoning, but I think the outcome of the upcoming night phase will give us more information about DB and this whole affair than anything else.
The reason I don't want to come out with all my thoughts on this issue is that everyone can read what I'm saying. If you're town, think this through carefully and please PLEASE listen to me right now:
So far, as I've said before, mafia has been successful in creating chaos among us. We want ORDER and ORGANIZATION. DB's clowning has led us into a more confused situation. To me, it is suspicious. No medic in his right mind would come out and claim this early, when under NO PRESSURE to claim. DB is claiming he was "under pressure" when in reality this is an appeal to emotion, an appeal to sympathize for his "mistakes" when he was never under any serious pressure at all.
He then pulls a vote on RayzorFlash without ANY reason whatsoever. Again, either DB is full out stupid, or he straight up doesn't give a shit about finding scum. The first means that, if we lynch him and he's town/blue, we'll all kick ourselves, and hard at that. The second suggests he's scum. Right now what do we gain from lynching DB?
Less confusion? Do we have enough information on DB to pin him as scum? I don't think so. So, while I agree with Jackal to an extent, I say that we don't lynch DB today. The night action will give us more information.
Keep in mind, again, that I haven't spelled out everything for you all here. You can form your own conclusions, and if you disagree with me, fine; just be clear. The town can only benefit from clear, well-formed opinions about players, not this muddy "well this guy's lurking let me vote him" crap.
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Also, to clarify, I firmly believe that the night actions, if we don't lynch DB today, will give us more information about DB's alignment. He seems really scummy now, but if he's made a bunch of mistakes (which is certainly possible) then it might certainly be possible that he's a townie.
If he doesn't contribute the rest of the day that's another good clue. Another problem for us now is that we already have a couple cases, and switching votes has proven to be difficult.
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This still makes no fucking sense.
Envision the possibility of Mafia DB fakeclaiming DT to force a mislynch, then afterwards acting confused and blaming it on his sanity. We spend the next little bit trying to figure out his sanity, throwing the Town into more confusion/chaos/derailment, while he sits back and laughs. When his claim got pressured he folded realizing he had already fucked up by not previously acting like a DT whatsoever, so he claims the one thing that would save him: Medic protecting Foolishness. He could count on the real Medic not outing himself because THAT'S WHAT MEDICS ARE SUPPOSED TO PLAY LIKE.
I hope to God this is what happened because your play as Town makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER DB.
Sigh.
Will have to re-read to gauge reactions from people regarding this fakeclaim.
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Actually this makes more sense to me the more I think about. If he was Mafia, he has an excuse for not being touched by Mafia because he led a mislynch and is under fire, he can get through 2-3 more people, claiming guilty on each one, then at the end claim he is actually paranoid and skate the rest of the way.
Keep this in mind if another Medic flips or claims.
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wow DB. way to fucking kill the town atmosphere. the last ~5 pages contained no scumhunting, no discussion of lynches, nothing. Just arguments about sanity of dts, supersoft's alignment, and sanity of DropBear.
And as a MEDIC?
I suggest we let the mafia deal with them. If they leave him alive to make him seem suspicious, we have a medic for town to control. Get a dt to check him, and bob's your uncle.
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ebwop: DT checks him, if he's red, we trade 1 for 1 and have done with it.
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