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If there are no advices for me I'll just stick to harassing people troll-like and try to figure this shit out while playing which most likely is going to cause rage from more experienced palyers. I'm fine with that, I just don't know if people like wbg are fine with that :p | ||
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Also authed and +x'ed myself in irc to screw with palmar. €: Ah crap, that's not working because my ID is in there as well | ||
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Now that I'm authed and got a q-hostname it should be something like 4 if you add that as well :p | ||
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On January 07 2012 12:31 VisceraEyes wrote: This sounds like a reasonable tweak to the setup that those in favor of PMs could agree to. I mean, the setup was designed with PMs in mind, was it not? agree. If we don't get pm's I demand masons! :p But yeah a pm-game with 50 people is probably a little bit rough for starters and I'm going to find me a mini with pm's instead. Although operation-screw-palmar looked promising after all, considering that we got a bunch of germans in here. | ||
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On January 08 2012 01:27 Kurumi wrote: /in as replacement we're only at 39 players right now and got 50 slots. Why is everyone going for replacements right now instead of just joining as a player? Is the list not up to date or is this some kind of trickery ? :p | ||
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yeah but you're not the only one who did that | ||
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On January 08 2012 06:28 Lanaia wrote: Too late there, bud. Hopefully this fills up soon. I'm looking forward to this. what are you doing. You could have just done the mulan-thing and shave your hair to fly under the radar | ||
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On January 08 2012 10:50 GreYMisT wrote: Im assuming Lanaia doesnt have a dragon named mushu to give her advice on how to blend in though. How am I supposed to know that unless she got "I don't have a dragon" written on her forhead. It's not like I'm an almighty god knowing who owns a dragon and who's not. | ||
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On January 08 2012 21:07 Forumite wrote: You seem to know a lot about dragons. I think you know more than what you are saying! Speak, why have Alduin returned! Tinvaak pook tafiir! can't answer you. If I do i getz modkilled for spam. Permission to lurk granted | ||
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On January 10 2012 10:20 flamewheel wrote: ur a miller nono I'm a mason. I asked santa to give me that role because you denied our request | ||
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On January 10 2012 18:47 supersoft wrote: Right now we have 4 Germans: Jayjay54, Toadesstern, Erandorr and me. If we find like 4 more people we could play a German mini Mafia :-P *just thinking out loud btw. Can we start? Wait what? Erandorr is from germany as well? That's the kind of information you guys need to give me before I make a fool out of myself. I thought I have to pay jayjay a visit to get my palmar-plan rolling but now I've got a 3rd alternative. | ||
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On January 10 2012 22:54 supersoft wrote: Your profile says you're from china. I don't know if I can trust you. Prove it! (Erandorr, you're doing it right.) we should also threaten him to post within a deadline or else we're going to dayvig him pregame. And if he's not shooting a mafia himself with his own dayvig power while doing that in german he's the next lynch target. Unless of course he gives his dayvig power to someone else who totally looks town and will end up shooting townies. Because that's a town move. | ||
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On January 10 2012 23:58 Chaosquo wrote: ##schieß: Corrupt Swiss Banker am I doing it right? nooo, you need to give your dayvig power to someone else to pick the target instead of just picking a target yourself to prove you're not a mafia! What sense is there in picking a target yourself? That's not telling us a thing about your alignment at all. You probably want to look like a townie so you should have tried to pick someone who's good at shooting townies, like V7, Palmar or myself. + Show Spoiler + yeah I'm bored, we need to start this game RIGHT NAO | ||
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On January 12 2012 03:34 rtgICEMAN wrote: /in that makes it 45 because in our op an out and this in is missing right? riiiiight? I want to see this start so badly! On another note: I don't get the german hasselhoff thing. Explainz pls Edit: But I did get that most recent rainbowdash reference from jayjay! | ||
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On January 12 2012 05:50 flamewheel wrote: So... wait for 50, eh? what? we get like 1 in per 2 days atm. According to my math getting to 50 takes literally ages! Yes literally | ||
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On January 12 2012 21:36 syllogism wrote: I fear this game is going to have 20+ players who don't have enough time and/or will to even establish their innocence to some degree and all the good players who roll town will get shot within a day or two. Elections should be interesting though. yeah that's what I'm scared off too. Gogo lucky dice give me a mafia role! :p | ||
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On January 12 2012 22:00 Macpo wrote: would supersoft be the 50th? taken from op: 3. supersoft | ||
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On January 12 2012 22:06 supersoft wrote: being scum is incredibly boring. i hope i roll medic or vet idk man. I've got town twice so far, thought I played both games pretty decent and lost them. Next thing that happens is 2 games mafia in a row which turns out to be 2 wins although I played pretty poorly in general. Oh and that 80 player thing were rolling town was pretty much an insta-lose. Rolling town is the first step to failure in these times | ||
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I'd say slightly below. Something like 5, maybe 6 | ||
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On January 13 2012 20:07 wherebugsgo wrote: alright, need to sleep after this. However, minimal reasoning follows: in every game I've ever played with Palmar that has a mayoral election, he has cared greatly about it. He has run for office. He has run strongly. The exception is PYP:I, where he was just smurfing (so that's understandable) but he still cared who got elected. In this game, he's doing his standard scum shit. I.E. being bad. Kill him. Also Erandorr if you continue to be worthless I'd probably consider killing you too. ok I'm back and I've scrolled through the pages looking at the pictures ( :p ) and found that one post as well. I got to agree with wbg here. There's basicly two options imo. 1) Palmar is mafia and doesn't care about the thread 2) Palmar is doing another trick to get something happening. Neither do I like option 1 nor do I like option 2 given how that turned out last game. Take into consideration I really only just scrolled through very fast and I found that strange as well. I'm only starting to catch up right now and will probably post something about it in a couple of hours. | ||
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I can't really put it down to something but although he said he's going to be accountable and vocal it doesn't feel like like townie-BC from the 80 player game. I voted him back than because I thought he's townie in that game and a lot of people said it's too dangerous to vote him because it's an instant-lose if he's scum. He answered a lot he made reasonable posts and everything he posted looked townish while I got the feeling he's trying to pretend to be town this game. Just take the part about foolishness for example. Sure foolishness is weird and someone has to point that out alright but I don't like that part at all: I will question, analyze and call out all those who play in what I view as bad town/mafia like. (I have already done this with foolishness, he knows better). Sounds like "hey guys, see this? I am totally town! I put some effort in this and got pro-town things rolling". Does he really have to point out he's doing good? I'd like people to judge him on what he's doing themselves. Could be nothing at all but as mentioned I got a weird feeling when reading his posts and to me it's nothing like the last game I saw him play. Other than that: Still on page 25, still reading, still don't like palmar's post. However I actually like VE's post a lot but doubt that he's going to be mayor. He's putting some effort into this game and I don't think that that's his mafia-play at all. | ||
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On January 13 2012 13:50 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not a big fan of directing blues, so I won't ramble on how medics should protect vets or how vigs should save their shot on night one. the fuck is that supposed to be? Is that on purpose for some reason? | ||
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On January 14 2012 00:20 Macpo wrote: Hey Mr Wiggles, just a short question : how are you so sure that palmar is scum? palmar sounded a bit agressive, but saying he is easy to read? (I am not asking this with an agressive suspicious tone, just trying to figure things out) Also, what is it in BCs posts that makes you feel he is trustworthy? Thanks! That will help me make my mind. he did not say he's sure that palmar is scum. He said palmar is easy to read and if he really is scum we will know soon enough. Palmar is the kind of guy that puts a lot of effort into games when town and only very little effort into games he rolled mafia. Last game he even said he isn't reading the thread as mafia once the game was over. However, 2 games ago (the annul thing) he wanted to chill a bit and tried playing with little effort. Of course he had to get serious after everyone got suspicious of him after that big dayvig thing. I'm not sure what he's up to right now. Might be a 2nd attempt to chill a bit, might be scum, might be a trick and at this point it's pretty wifom to ask which of those it might be. But yeah it's not exactly what he usually does as a townie. I'd also like to know why people like BC so much this game. As mentioned last election-game everyone was like "nooo don't vote for BC. It's way too dangerous if he's mafia" when I said I might vote for him and now it's just fine? | ||
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On January 14 2012 00:36 rgTheSchworz wrote: I will not edit ANY further posts .Sorry TL mafia for my newbie mistake. if you spelled something wrong and it's so bad that you think people won't get what you tried to say just quote yourself, hightlight what was wrong in your initial post (within your quote of course) somehow (like a [b] tag or whatever) and copy&past the corected thing right beneath your quote. Happens all the time to us not-native english speakers and as long as you deal with it by making another post it's fine. Noone cared about double or trippleposts here as long as you're not doing that on purpose. | ||
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On January 14 2012 01:44 Chaosquo wrote: I was just commenting on your playstyle. I was just following the meta on you (town=vocal, scum=lurking), but seeing as you were quite active as "scum" in resistance, I retract my statement. But still posting one-liners is not helping much, no? it's not about the amound he posts but about what he posts. What he does so far is just not what townie palmar usually does. However, townie palmar also scares people to dayvig them to get information which turns out to get townies killed. So I still don't know if he's just mafia or trying to troll/chill a game. And he wasn't active at all in resistance. Not as active as a townie palmar would have been imo. Town was losing and he did nothing. Remember what he did the game before that when he really was town? Town was losing, he figured a mafia out and fought to get people voting annul and finally was raging mad for knowing a mafia but not being able to do a thing about it. Nothing like that happened in resistance. It's still too early to say what the reason for his behavior is but it's odd for sure and it comes down to if he really wants to chill this game or if he does that for another reason. | ||
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On January 14 2012 02:04 Kurumi wrote: TheSchowrz, we never point out blue claims because its helps mafia more than town >_> Besides, that's not a blue claim. That's just ego. I don't see a problem with that at all. If someone claims blue so boldy that I am able to see it a horde of mafia players who are able to communicate is able to see that as well. Obvisously the best case scenario is to not blue claim in the first place. But yeah it's not a blue claim. It's more like "I am good at finding scum, protect me for a couple days and I will have this shit figured out". | ||
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@BC on what he said about palmar: Yeah that's exactly what I thought, however don't you think palmar is better than that? Sure he does not care about town when he's scum but do you really think he'd post what you quoted as a mafia? It's just so over the top scummy that I think it's another trick of his. Like suggesting a rnd vote in whatever the game was called. Everyone was calling him out and everyone thinks that's scummy as hell because it is. I somehow got the feeling he did that on purpose. The first thing you quoted is just incredbile off. And yet he did a 2nd post like that saying he'll decide what he's about to do based on someone else being dumb or not. Again, that's just an overkill and I can't imagine him posting that without a reason at all. | ||
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I won't vote someone who is not telling me who he thinks is scummy. Having a single guy the candidates are suspicious of is a start but I'd idealy have a bunch of names (like 3?). | ||
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On January 14 2012 03:33 kitaman27 wrote: [...] [1.] Several people have passed on my campaign because of my comment on my town play, explaining that there are other better alternatives. It is uncomfortable to talk about how great oneself is, but I take that comment back. I've carried town in multiple games, gotten night 1/2 hit in three of the last four, and have been as consistent with my reads in recent games as any player: bugs/role (couples), GM/Caller (PYPI), foolishness/chaos/palmar (PTP), majority of scum team (XXXVIII/HP). I'm not as wordy as Meapak or as aggressive as BC, but I think my town results are just as good. [/1.] [...] [2.] Someone asked me earlier what I would base the lynch on. It would be someone who is talking about neutral topics, summarizing others opinions, or attempting to blend in. On day one, I think its far easy to find someone who isn't posting with town motives, than it is to find someone posting with scum motives. Jayjay's remarks on Echelon potential forced post was nice considering I was thinking the same thing. I'm not willing to pass off Foolishness's BM post as "town, because no mafia would ever do it". Slardar shouldn't be allowed to get away with his opening post and d3's BM policy lynch is weak. [/2.] 1) Awesome. When are you going to start doing so this game? 2) Don't you think it's incredible easy to look protown on d1 as a mafia as well? You actually play protown a lot on d1 without hurting your team if you're mafia because there's so little information d1. I'm just saying that because he had that the last couple of games when radfield thought I am town and even said I'm the most likely townie in the game. | ||
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On January 14 2012 03:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The Day 1 Important Discussion Post #1 Read this post fully before posting. It is something that everyone must read, and that everyone must comment on That is right friends, this post as I am writing it is near one of the most important posts of this game day. You are going to ask? Why BC? Simple. I am about to do something that will cause people to yell and scream at me. I am roleclaiming. I am mason Note what I have done? [1] I have now put myself from the statistical chance of flipping a town aligned role of 80%ish and lowered it to a solid 50%. I am now either 50% red or 50% blue.[/1.] I am doing this for a few reasons. [2] 1) in this game there could exist masons on both sides of the equation. As such dealing with them early is key as they work behind the scenes of the game. [/2] [3] 2) it is a confirmable role, stress this point, ROLE. I can confirm my role at the beginning of a day cycle as opposed to at the end of a day cycle [/3] 3) I am being transparent. By giving this information now, reading me becomes far easier. There will never be the "is he blue trying to breadcrumb etc..?" [4] 4) goes along with 3, however it outs one of the masons now. It stops the discussion later of people discussing all the people who are masons and who is believable late game whereas we can cover at least one of them now [/4] This also sets the town up in a very advantageous way. Why you ask? I am elected and now town knowingly knows I am active in pms. I am not elected and not auto lynched by mayor and same information is known. [5] It also forces the mafia to deal with me as they have no idea what I am doing in pm land. Do they try and kill who I am talking to? Do they use their own masons and attempt to find out what I have said, etc....[/5] This I feel is the most advantageous day 1 use of my ability. I have already used my mason use for the day and will say who I used it on after this post in the nearish future. I am leaving who it is out as the purpose is to generate discussion on my claim, not on who I chose to mason to. As to detail of why I did this aside from the general points I made? Everyone will have an opinion on this claim. Some good, some bad. People will have to have an opinion on this subject however. EVERYONE will have an opinion. Do not just post "wtf bc you dumb fuck why would you do this". This is a debate about me specifically being a mason and if I should be elected, not elected and lynched, or not elected and left for the mafia to deal with me. All vets, all new players, all semi experienced players will have an opinion and it is needed. Anyone who fails to properly contribute on this matter. I have thought this claim out and realize that generally claiming day 1 is bad, however I feel at least with this mechanic and how it could be abused it should be discussed (especially with a high profile player such as myself possessing it) now and not later. On the most important note that this post will do however is generate serious discussion. How do you all wish to proceed with a mason claim? Specifically my mason claim? 1) That's obviously bullshit. The chances to win lottery aren't 50% because you either win or you don't... but I see what you want to tell us 2) why? 3) no it's not. You're masoning someone. That someone is going to tell us if you masoned him. If you are a mafia you could tell us you masoned a mafiabuddy and of course your buddy will tell everyone you pm'ed him. 4) I don't realy care about what's going to happen with discussion later on if whatever might happen. I want to get a town mayor right now and for that reason I'd much rather see things tell give me something on your alignment than something that might or might not improve future-world 5) I'm pretty sure mafia will have to deal with you no matter what. That is if you're town. It's not like mafia is going not kill you because they think you might be a green instead of a blue and therefor you're no threat to them. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:02 EchelonTee wrote: @jay, it was a posting mistake, that would be a pretty sorry way to try and get town credit. I have spreadsheets and stuff, which is where it came from. its not good practice imo to post tells without substantiation, thus I would've rather not posted that tidbit. And what's with the -mafia tag, is that just a dig at my post? I don't like foolishness but that doesn't mean bm is bad. will return to this again later. Current opinion on BC: wouldn't it have been better to get elected then mason one of your bodyguards? To get a tell on them? You already had a good shot at getting elected... I don't see as this scum though, more like a weird gambit. Posted from phone, will post more later. why do you have tags in your notes? Am I the only one not having tags in my notes on d1 after just a couple of hours? Why are you certain that wiggles is a townie enough to give him a townie tag in your notes? See my in my notes if I got a leaning towards town it's going to be something like "probably town" along with some reasons because it's a guess at this time. Yeah I think my guess might be right but it's still just a guess. How do you know he's a townie? That just looks strange. However I don't know if you are going to make notes as a mafia either. I don't think you're going to put that much effort into a play when the thread is not as important to you because you rolled mafia. But who know. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I will out my first mason shortly, I want the debate to however move towards how to deal with masons as a whole. I say this because you know from experience with me just how subtle a touch can be needed to manipulate/confuse someone. A mafia mason will have the experience of a team in manipulation whereas a town member has their own ability to run with. Incorrect for you good sir. my role unlike anyone elses is confirmable. However my role is able to appear on both town and mafia sides thus rather than claiming "i am townie" and having the 80ish% chance of being one of the townie i am now firmly 50/50. My role is confirmable, my alignment isn't. You can clearly say "you were either 1 or the other before" however I have removed fake claiming almost entirely. Mafia do not benefit from me fake claiming this, nor do town. as for how I can confirm my role at the start? I mason at the beginning of a cycle not the end. As for saying its not confirmable? If i am a generic red and claim mason my mafia buddy says i masoned him. I die flip mafia goon he fucking dies. The only people who in their right mind would claim mason, are mason. As for also saying im not transparent? You know my role, I am even trying to discuss the role itself. If you do not care about the possible damages of a mafia mason late game and only care about the now then you are not playing in the best interests of this town. You must always look ahead. If there are roles that could potentially fuck town two days from now that wouldn't have if we talked about them today then we talk about it today. Period. as for mafia dealing with me? Say for arguments sake, there are 4 masons and 1 is red. I don't get elected and am not lynched by mayor. Mafia now has the option of killing me and thus reducing the number of people they can hide amongst and masons are confirmable. By claiming, town will always be analyzing me and determining if i am red or blue and choose to off me based on it. Mafia have the risk of killing me early and thus potentially outing one of their own early on or leaving me alone and hope the town ignores me. The longer I live the more benefit i am to the town and if i die by mafia shot I out one of their own slightly faster. Now. How do people wish to deal with masons as a whole? Do all discussions made get posted in thread? Do we opt to not talk to people who mason you, etc... This is an important matter, move just passed my personal claim and look at the role as a whole. Here is a link to a thread where masons were discussed before to get an idea why I think its important to discuss. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278946 the situation proposed there is obviously different from this game but the important none the less. The part about what I called 1) was what you said in your example: If there are 4 masons and only one is red the chances are not 50/50. If we don't have the exact same amount of blue roles it's not going to be 50/50. But that's just useless chat so I'll leave it with that because it's just not important at all imo. About your example what is going to happen if you're red and ask a buddy to help out. If this thing of yours works out and people believe you you won't be lynched. Neither will scum kill you because you are a mafia yourself in that scenario. Even if there's a rampaging vigi you're safe due to your bodyguards if you're elected. The guy you masoned probably is someone you think is town I guess? Why should he be lynched and same applies to mafia here: Mafia won't shoot that if you are mafia. About late game: I've never seen masions in action. I think they look neat but I can't judge how good they are. That's why I asked "why" because I did not think we have to talk about masons because I did not think they're that scary. That was more of an "explain pls". | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:26 supersoft wrote: hey, toadesstern, can you link me a game where you were town? I know your scummeta. It's talking a lot with no content. You do that right now. alread told you I do talk a lot as both town and mafia but yeah I'll look those 2 games up (the 80 player thing does not count, that game was gay ) | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:26 supersoft wrote: hey, toadesstern, can you link me a game where you were town? I know your scummeta. It's talking a lot with no content. You do that right now. here you go: my first ever gamehttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264798 my 2nd game my third game was that 80 player game. I did the same to some degree but stopped posting after d2 or something like that because it was too much of a mess for me at that point in time 4th game was my first ever mafia (the one with annul) 5th game was resistance this is the 6th game. So nothing more I can provide | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: [...] If i am a red mason it means whoever claims i masoned will be town, period. I would never have to mason a scumbuddy as well, im already talking to them. Only a mason would make my claim. your ignore the case that im town. In whichcase if i am elected mafia now hates my guts, if i am not they still hate my guts as dealing with me is hard. You could frame me sure, but a dt checks, i die and they still are on a reduced list. Only my actions at this point will save me from dying or guarentee it. As for masons in action? Ask VE what I did in fw's game where everyone had 2 mason uses. I was mafia he was town, and in 1-2 conversations i had him create utter chaos in thread. We have had near no game where only a limited amount of players are masons. It will be a mechanic that can do more damage than any other role in this game. First paragraph: I thought if you're a red mason you're not going to use your power d1 and just pretend you masoned someone while asking your bro to help out a little. Noone is going to see a flip if you both survive. And yes I agree you won't mason a red. It's either going to be noone and you're red or you're green and actually masoned someone. 2nd pararaph: No I'm not. I see that what you did might make sense as a townie as well. I just don't think it's bullshit as red either and I'm trying to point that out. So what's your take about the masons? I actually like what sandroba suggested somehow. Haven't thought it through yet but I don't see drawbacks yet. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: How does me flipping red or blue give cred to whoever I picked? It gives you no information on them aside from the fact I mason'd them. I can talk to people, not confirm their alignment, or anything. If i say i masoned x and i die and flip, regardless of my alignment you gain no information on that player aside from I talked to them. vs On January 14 2012 04:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: how is my role not confirmable? Say im scum and a scumbuddy says "yes he mason'd me" if i die and flip non mason red, both of us die and two mafia die? How is that effective at all. | ||
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On January 14 2012 05:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote: [...] If we mass claim masons while making them useless, they essentially become VT's, so the mafia have higher chances of hitting other blues. Intense scrutiny is better all around. Play smart and masons are a very pro-town force. [...] I don't think mafia will go by chance. Yeah we will end up "producing" some VTs but mafia is going to kill whoever they are going to kill for a reason. Either they think they need to kill X fast or at least faster than Y or they don't think so. The rolke of Z is pretty much no matter of interest to mafia unless they think that Z might be a dangerous because of his role or his style. I still agree with sandroba about the mass claim however. I don't really see a downside to that. It's not like mason is a role that's going to be useless after claimed. If they get shot that's kind of fine with me because mason information is pretty wifom until we see the mason flip himself or the targets of that mason (what bc said, if he deliveres us a couple of mafias he's pretty much confirmed town). At the same time they're immune to roleblock as someone pointed out and they're not forcing immediate reaction by mafia like a dt or medic would. Those two roles would easily die instantly or be roleblocked but I don't really see that happening with masons. | ||
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I still have a bad feeling about bc and the only thing that's making me consider him is that wifom part because noone thinks a mafia would want to be in the spotlight that much. However according to what people are telling me about BC he's probably one of the few people who's capable of doing this without having a problem as mafia. I know what sandroba thinks about the massclaim and that kind of helps me but I still want to know what he and other candidates are going to do with scum. What are your reads, who are you going to lynch and why? I think we can and should wait with this masondiscussion until we got ourself a mayor | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Jayjay pardon if this sounds patronizing but (correct me if I'm wrong) you've never played in a PM game or seen how powerful they can be. For a decent townie, PMs are extremely useful. As I've already said, mafia PMs are less useful. Bc did just give an example but like I said in my previous post, it's a bad example and not representative of PMs on a whole. My point is this. A player like bc can be deadly with PMs as town, as scum it's much harder to be effective in a normal game so the damage he can do is significantly less as scum. what about the fact that we got pussy masons and no "real" masons? I never played a pm game as well and when I was first told about masons I was not told about that restriction they got in our game. They're not allowed to pm the same guy multiple times. Multiple times obviously referring to different cycles. I don't know what that makes of our masons. The most scary part for mafia is a circle of confirmed townies. That's not possible with the kind of mason we got. | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:59 Toadesstern wrote: what about the fact that we got pussy masons and no "real" masons? I never played a pm game as well and when I was first told about masons I was not told about that restriction they got in our game. They're not allowed to pm the same guy multiple times. Multiple times obviously referring to different cycles. I don't know what that makes of our masons. The most scary part for mafia is a circle of confirmed townies. That's not possible with the kind of mason we got. EBWOP: And thats the reason I did not think masons are that scary at all in our setup to begin with. | ||
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On January 14 2012 07:22 Kenpachi wrote: game started: a million pages. hi guys im Kenpachi and im a townie 4 rela funny. Scrolling my notes to see how got nothing in there and figured you (along with some other people) should start talking. I haz superpowerz making you show up here telepathically? | ||
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blahz0r do you mind joining the discussion? That's your filter: Klick me! Not exactly looking good. Actually looking like a guy who is about to get modkilled but for some reason you already voted so you should know that the game has already started. I know there's a couple of people who are lurking right now but you already voted so that's why I'm asking you and not everyone else. | ||
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hey there. According to several people town performance has been pretty bad the last couple of games. What do you say about making a list of all the bad players we have and just do the opposit of what they want to do? Either they're town and wrong or they're mafia and want to protect their buddies. win-win situation! | ||
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On January 14 2012 09:54 VisceraEyes wrote: What does this quote even mean? Is this some sort of veiled attack on Palmar? What purpose does this post serve? Well that quote kind f shows why I suggested that idea I just had. Quoting something like On January 14 2012 07:39 Palmar wrote: Meapak is a baller. Doesn't mean he's town, but he's pretty good. would be an odd start for my idea wouldn't it? | ||
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Also if my theory is correct VE has to be a townie, because noone wants him to be mayor! | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:30 wherebugsgo wrote: let's get this straight right now, so we don't have to deal with this later: BC's mason claim is NOT reflective of his alignment in any way, shape, or form. If he's scum, people saying "oh yeah his mason claim makes him more likely to be town" and then voting him are exactly what he wants! Good scum take calculated risks like this, and this very well could be a calculated move to get the mayoral position. Since the mason claim is not indicative of alignment, please do not suggest that it is, because such a suggestion is not even close to conclusive or useful. yeah that's what i keep saying. Or at least I tried to. I see his claim as reasonable in some situations and it's it could be good for both, townie and mafia BC. I'm pretending that mason never happened at this point in time, I'd also like to leave palmar for d2 to see what changes. It's not like he's going to run away and if he's still behaving like that, fine lynch if. For the time being we got some better candidates to look at imo. | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:38 wherebugsgo wrote: no, screw leaving people till day 2. If he's useless now he'll be useless day 2. Kill him. I couldn't care less about veterans and usefulness later on or all of that bs. If you're a vet and I think you're scum day 1 I want you to die day 1. Palmar fits this perfectly. Just look at his filter if you don't believe me; he's had a full day (and by EU time it was an actual day, I've only had about 6 hours worth if you compare) and all of his posts have been one liner marginal content bull. He also refuses to respond to any sort of pressure and has been completely incapable of any sort of scumhunting. He's scum. Just kill him. I know I looked into his filter and I already said bc that palmar just looks over the top useless. I don't know if this is some weird trick of his (calling it now: BC masoned palmar and they're both tricking us!) or if he's just useless because he's mafia. What he said is way too scummy to actually happen d1 for palmar if he's playing serious. So imo this is wifom about wether he pretends to be useless therefor making us think way too much to actually be mafia or if he pretends to be useless for whatever trick he is trying on us this time. Alll I'm saying is we've got a decent chance figureing him out d2 and I'm not completly sure we going to hit a red when lynching palmar. If he continues to troll him insta lynch him d2 and go for someone else d1. | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:45 Toadesstern wrote: I know I looked into his filter and I already told bc that palmar just looks over the top useless. I don't know if this is some weird trick of his (calling it now: BC masoned palmar and they're both tricking us!) or if he's just useless because he's mafia. What he said is way too scummy to actually happen d1 for palmar if he's playing serious. So imo this is wifom about wether he pretends to be useless therefor making us think he's way to much looking scum to actually be mafia or if he pretends to be useless for whatever trick he is trying on us this time. All I'm saying is we've got a decent chance figureing him out d2 and I'm not completly sure we're going to hit a red when lynching palmar. If he continues to troll him insta lynch him d2 and go for someone else d1. EBWOP: it's getting late and I don't proofread. Business as usual. Made it a little more understandable within my quote | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:47 wherebugsgo wrote: no, he's literally this bad as mafia. If he's this useless, he's auto scum. If he's town he'll actually put in effort. This is not WIFOM because if he were town he would not want to confuse us. He would be clear about establishing himself as a townie and the "WIFOM" you speak of wouldn't exist. Honestly there is no WIFOM, the only possibility for Palmar at this point is scum. Since you keep saying let's keep him till day 2, I assume you have a better candidate for us to lynch? Why don't you give us that candidate? If not, then let's lynch Palmar, not? Why wait a day and waste a lynch that will potentially hit a townie instead of just killing the almost certain scum in Palmar? he threatened to dayvig a dayvig last time he rolled town. He even said that he tried to chill a game and tried to troll town until everyone was telling him to stop shooting townies (telepathically thanks to V7's help). Other alternatives? Sure what about those guys: 11. EchelonTee 20. Ciryandor 30. blahz0r 45. Macpo | ||
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On January 14 2012 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote: No Toad, vote for me! Your vote would be absolutely cherished....like a daisy growing in Antarctica or some shit. I was tricking you! You even called it and did not realize what I was doing when you said: On January 14 2012 09:54 VisceraEyes wrote: What does this quote even mean? Is this some sort of veiled attack on Palmar? What purpose does this post serve? I am a mastermind for that was the best veiled attack on Palmar mankind has ever seen. Surly there was noone realizing my true idea behind all this and yet I have to tell you, that I was not serious when suggesting to simply do the opposit of what all the bad players are suggesting | ||
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On January 14 2012 11:51 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm willing to vote bum for the fact that I like him right now. I think he's Bum are you willing to lynch Palmar? I'd be willing to lynch BC too if I continue feeling the way I'm feeling about him. But we'll see. Need more time on that, since BC is much harder to read than Palmar. Palmar's just like lolscum woke up and I'm at this post. Yeah I liked bum a lot too but I don't really like the people he likes | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 5. risk.nuke 9. Kenpachi (you won't answer this right?) 11. EchelonTee 14. Liquid`Sheth 20. Ciryandor 49. Scamp turns out I got 6 names instead of only 5 but yeah that's it for now. | ||
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There's no way I will vote for sandro, bc or bum because I think either 1 or 2 out of them is scum and the mafia out of those is trying to screw with me / us. I just don't want to vote into that triangle of I-don't-know. wbg would be an alternative but I've got more of an stubborn-palmar read than a useless-palmar read and I'd like to lynch someone else d1. If possible someone who's not a vet and leave palmar for d2. Wiggles and kita didn't say a lot lately so although I (somehow) got a townfeeling out of that much nothing I'd much rather vote someone else. Mattchew and VE a re both town but I'd rather have someone else in that position imo. Oh and everyone who got no mention either is hard to judge for me or is not worth a mention. Deal with it :p Still catching up. I'm reading the last 2 pages, I'm eating and I will post a little bit more if needed. | ||
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Oh at least I was right there. That at least gives me a little confidence in my reads because that triangle of doom is still stupid as it can get to judge and something is not making sense there | ||
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On January 15 2012 04:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I'll take that as me being too awesome for your judgement or something. I'd like to hear from Foolishness now. What made it seem like a good idea to make Mattchew run for mayor, over equally active people she had more history with? Why is she interested in controlling Bill Murray? actually yeah. I have no idea what you're up to at this point in time. I'm going to quote from my sheet: 7. Cyber_Cheese I haven o idea no idea at all I tried several times to get something about you going but I never was able to put something into words. You're like THE nullread I have in this game and I don't know why I have so much trouble to figure you out. Want to to me a faver and tell me real fast who you want to lynch and who's the best mayor in your opinion (other than yourself) ? I don't really want to read your filter again right now | ||
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On January 15 2012 04:16 Jayjay54 wrote: I did not say that because of my Mattchew read. That's not the point. I got confidence in my logic and in my game. The real point is, that I am TOWN. And I think I did give proof for that. People were already saying how bad it is to have a 25% chance of getting a scum mayor and that randomly giving it to somebody would be better because it's 20% then. Well guess what, I am 100% homegrown town and therefore a safe option. here's the point: 1) I don't like talking about that math bullshit. That's all talk about "what would happen if we make a true rnd vote". That's not going to happen. Never ever. Fine with me mentioning but I don't think we need it right now 2) I think you're town but I don't want you to be mayor because I don't thnk you're up to it. I don't go for mayor myself although I said mattchew is a townie and ended up being right because that call was easy as it can get. 3) I'll say it once more: I think you're townie, but you running for mayor is not going to help town right now. Not at all. | ||
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On January 15 2012 04:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote: To clarify the lynch. I want the scummiest person who ran for mayor. I'm just not sure who that is at the moment. Sandroba seems like a decent option. so that's sandroba for lynch, VE for lynch or risk nuke for lynch and BC for mayor? Or was sandroba another viable option for mayor for you? | ||
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The only thing that could go worse would be Palmar stepping into this thread, threatening X to do Y or else he will dayvig him and X ends up dayvigging Z. Srsly guys wtf is wrong with you tonight | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Who said they were lynching CC if they were mayor again? Oh yeah. ##Vote: Bumatlarge Bum wants sandroba to be his sheriff and said that he's trusting palmar to be town. I don't know if I want that either. | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:17 Jayjay54 wrote: wait what now? I don't get it. WHAT? so you claim a role which exits for both teams. and you shoot CC on the first day based on him contradicting himself and a few maybe softtells? and you think that's a smart play? then you go ahead and vote for someone who wanted to lynch CC a while back he thought he's a dayvig. Turns out he's not. He thought he is able to shoot at day and because he's willing to vote someone who's going to lynch CC. I just don't think bum's an alternative right now. | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:16 L wrote: Hi there! If you'd like to post in the thread, feel free to add content rather than remarking that things are bad. Watch what I do, okay? VE, Are you going to shoot CC tonight? See? Content! awesome. Let the guy who just claimed vig now claim who he is about to shoot so that mafia does not even have to wifom about if he's going to shoot or not but only has to wifom about VE really is "smart" enough to pull a drazerk on us or not. I mean you just asked a vig (if that's right) who he is about to shoot. I'll repeat it: You are asking a vig who he is about to shoot wtf is going on. | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:21 L wrote: No, no. Answer my question. Are you shooting CC tonight? don't, under any circumstances talk about this or answer what L is asking you. Let them wifom about if you really are a vig and be happy with that. | ||
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I don't know yet and yeah I'm considering that myself. The more important question is why VE is lying, which I believe to be the case. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote: I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler Care to explain? | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, the answer: Vote VE for Mayor! Wait did he just say..... YES! VE has retardedly outted himself as a Town Jack by trying to daykill C_C. What an idiot, right? But hear me out. My case on CC is this: He's scummily inconsistent in his posting. Like take this post for example. He states in no uncertain terms that A) he's not going to vote for BC and also B) Palmar must be scum based on Occam's Razor. In this post he encourages me to stay in the mayoral race because he's voting for me. Here, he goes a step further and changes his lynch choice to BC. Wait a minute...he already said he agreed with the case on Palmar...Occam's Razor remember? In this post, he tries to shirk responsibility for Macpo's stance on BC (Macpo very clearly cites CC for changing his view on BC) by claiming it was actually Hydractinum that his post was based on. As town, I'd be flattered if one of my posts changed someone's mind, I certainly wouldn't try to say it was SOMEONE ELSE who actually did the legwork...especially if I'm seeking election! Okay, here's the post. In this post, he not only reverses his stance on BC, but he does so by saying "BC isn't as bad a candidate as everyone is making him out to be." Really? You've been one of his biggest detractors! Your campaign is based on LYNCHING BC! Interestingly, he also puts me on a lynch list....WHILE HIS VOTE FOR MAYOR IS STILL ON ME!!! This is so fucking damning guys. Now his vote is on BC. Now, I'm going to probably be roleblocked and killed tonight...we can avoid this by making me one of the elected officials. If I'm elected mayor, I'll lynch the fuck out of C_C. A Vote For VisceraEyes Is A Vote For Town Victory!!!! I've been thinking you're town all game long but since you fakeclaimed (it was a fake claim right?) I'm not sure anymore | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:12 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I did one manually + Show Spoiler + Votes for MrWiggles (0) Votes for Bill Murray (3) VisceraEyes bumatlarge Macpo Votes for kitaman27 (1) evantrees Votes for VisceraEyes (1) blahz0r Votes for BloodyC0bbler (7) Meapak_Ziphh risk.nuke GGQ zeks Lanaia Cyber_Cheese Foolishness Votes for Protactinium (3) Palmar Adam4167 Kurumi Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (0) Votes for Sandroba (1) Nisani201 Votes for Mattchew (Void) jayjay54 (Void) Scamp (Void) Votes for Supersoft (1) Bill Murray Hold up, why are you blue hunting Sheth? I'm not on your list but I did vote for BM, that's why I wanted something official. And I don't think sheth is blue hunting. I knew those 4 as well because it's important to know for tonwies as well. If I see a flip that shows something else that's important to know. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:15 VisceraEyes wrote: No it was a real claim...I idiotically thought my Vig power was a DayVig power and tried to kill C_C with it. yeah but I don't blieve that claim at all. So I'm obviously asking myself why you claimed bullshit. Furthermore I'm asking myself why you're starting to get chaos right now with another last second mayor candidate. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:23 VisceraEyes wrote: What are you talking about? Why would I claim like that? Why would I RUIN my credibility by claiming in that way if it wasn't a real claim? I'm not trying to start chaos, I'm trying to get elected and protect one of our Jacks. I don't know if I want to tell you what I'm talking about or if I should wait for d2. Pretty much depends on if you're red or blue Also I like what palmars doing right now. Either I am incredible bad and I got the same opionions as a mafia-palmar or he got the same reads as I do right now. Totally agree on CC, BC and sandro. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:54 Lanaia wrote: May I ask why you believe him to be lying? Well as I still want to know whats up with VE because I thought he's town early on and now I'm suspicious but still think he's town I might as well just ask him: VE, you are (according to your claim) a joat. If i remember correctly from our most recent game as scum buddies we all were sitting in our irc chat. Remember when V7 came in and dayvigged someone? Everyone was like "ah nah, that's a lie" but suddenly annul got online and told us that it's not. He explained that the kill command / format / pattern usually is ++shoot (+ = #, trying to not screw with hosts ctrl+F ) but in this game however it was ++kill instead and V7 used that very pattern instead of shoot or vice versa. I don't recall it by heart right now. You however came along with this ++Daykill: Cyber_Cheese Now that's odd. Where do you take that pattern from if you're not a joat? In our joat-describtion there's no pattern to kill someone (according to page 1), yet that specific pattern is weird imo. Furthermore, even if you ARE a joat that only has a night-vig, why should you have a pattern to dayvig someone send via pm from a host when it's a night-vig. I'm trying to imagine this situation right now: "herpederp, I'm going to shoot CC with my awesome dayvig powers, just checking my pm to check the format, ah right it was '++daykill: X'. Oh snap I am not a dayvig?" If you're not a dayvig you can't have a pattern to dayvig someone in your pm so you made it up. Explain where I am wrong or tell me why you did that. | ||
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This election is hard because we don't have flips and there's a lot of possibilities. I think sandro is pretty scumm atm for example. However, I'd like to see some flips that are in some way related to him or see himself flip to back that up. If I got a flip that somehow tells me I am wrong about sandroba that'd be a huge deal. Shooting d1 is dangerous but in this situation very much a good thing for town because of information gain imo. | ||
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On January 15 2012 07:08 Toadesstern wrote: Well as I still want to know whats up with VE because I thought he's town early on and now I'm suspicious but still think he's town I might as well just ask him: VE, you are (according to your claim) a joat. If i remember correctly from our most recent game as scum buddies we all were sitting in our irc chat. Remember when V7 came in and dayvigged someone? Everyone was like "ah nah, that's a lie" but suddenly annul got online and told us that it's not. He explained that the kill command / format / pattern usually is ++shoot (+ = #, trying to not screw with hosts ctrl+F ) but in this game however it was ++kill instead and V7 used that very pattern instead of shoot or vice versa. I don't recall it by heart right now. You however came along with this Now that's odd. Where do you take that pattern from if you're not a joat? In our joat-describtion there's no pattern to kill someone (according to page 1), yet that specific pattern is weird imo. Furthermore, even if you ARE a joat that only has a night-vig, why should you have a pattern to dayvig someone send via pm from a host when it's a night-vig. I'm trying to imagine this situation right now: "herpederp, I'm going to shoot CC with my awesome dayvig powers, just checking my pm to check the format, ah right it was '++daykill: X'. Oh snap I am not a dayvig?" If you're not a dayvig you can't have a pattern to dayvig someone in your pm so you made it up. Explain where I am wrong or tell me why you did that. I'm quoting myself because I still want an answer. If someone sees a mistake I did please tell me but that's the reason why I want to know what VE is up to. I am not perfect so I could very well be wrong but I don't see it, so please VE, I want to know that. you made your last post at 7:08 and I made my post at 7:08, just a mention :p | ||
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Sure that's a bad thing because from your point of view guy X is way better than guy Y, so why risk getting guy X into office when Y is way better. However, if your vote turns out to be useless that's a vote that's helping scum because they need less people to rig this. | ||
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On January 15 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote: [...] Toad, the fact of the matter is that I acted rashly and did NOT check my role. I assumed about the day-kill command. I know you're disappointed about how stupid I am, but the fact of the matter is that it was a really REALLY stupid move on my part. I've endangered myself and weakened town as a result. [...]! I don't take that for a reason. I can think of 3 possible reasons right now. 1 of them is being red and since it's best for you to not talk about it in all 3 scenarios I'm ok with it. However I won't vote you and I don't want anyone else voting you because I still think you lied for whatever reason. So that explains why I posted what I posted. I don't see think it has to be a red move yet, but I don't want you to be our mayor. Do you know who you're going to vote for? I'd also like to know who you'd lynch if you had to lynch someone else than CC and (perhaps?) Palmar. | ||
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On January 15 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: Lanaia, if you agree with lynching Palmar can you explain why you don't want me elected? Who are you looking at voting for? I don't particularly care for getting elected. All I care about is scum dying. So far I don't think macpo is scum and none of the other candidates have come up with anything promising. So, that means the only option to get Palmar lynched is to elect me in to office. (this is suboptimal, for reasons I won't explicitly explain) you think sandroba is town? | ||
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Cyri would be fine as well. However I feel BC is a coinflip for me. I don't want him to be mayor at all and I still don't want to lynch palmar right now. Conclusion: Bill murras is the way to go for me and I will try to make you unvote BC :p | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote: no, it isn't. It's not even completely based on meta. CC and Palmar just keep asserting that it's completely based on meta on the fact that I summed it up with one word, saying meta. The reason I summed it up was to bait to see if Palmar would spin that I had no case. He did exactly that. You don't find it weird that he wants VE in office despite calling VE bad over and over? What's the use of electing someone bad to an office that protects them? What's the use if VE would never get shot? Why would Palmar not run for office if he's town? Why would Palmar suddenly support Protact and provide no reason for it? Why is Palmar not scumhunting? Why is Palmar focusing so much on defending himself when it's only me who is attacking him? He focused on defending himself so much, in fact, that he's literally commented on nothing else. Which is not that shocking, I suppose, since he hasn't done anything to begin with. Why do Palmar's only two non-one-liner posts contain almost 100% fluff? None of these are meta reasons to kill Palmar, yet no one cares. you think VE did a good job most recently? Because you're telling me to vote VE but I don't think he's up to the task. To get this straight. I'm either spot on with my analysis because those 2 + BM are the 3 people I am considering to vote or I'm horribly wrong and am leading town to another lose because of townidiots (in this case I'd be one). I think all 3 are probably town right now. But I think BM's better than VE in an office and I am horribly scared to vote Protact. | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:20 wherebugsgo wrote: where did I say I want people to vote VE? all the candidates suck right now, that's why I haven't voted yet. I almost wish I could abstain. I want to kill Palmar+Protact+opz. Probably kill VE too. BC is probably the safest bet at this point for office but I'm not feeling great about him either. I wish Foolishness would be a bit more active so I could actually talk to him, but w/e. Sandro why are you not doing anything? Who do you want lynched? Who do you think is scum? oh it was OFF VE and protac :p Yeah I get the feeling of not knowing who to vote as well. As mentioned VE is not going to get my vote, neither is protac although I got a slight townread on him, everyone else is even worse imo So BM is the only one left that has a chance I don't think lynching sandroba is bad at this point although it's a vet. I'm not sure about VE yet. I'm giving him a 60/40 to end up being town but I definatly don't like his "oh guys I am so sry, I screwed this big time" talk. | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:35 Lanaia wrote: The amount of people who voted you so quickly within such a short period of time bothered me. I know it wasn't enough to swing the vote, but it really rubbed me the wrong way. Dammit, I wish I'd not waffled so much in regards to switching my vote. Now, it's kinda too late. I really can't tell if this is my being paranoid or not. if that's going to help you: even more people switched to protac shortly after people switched to wbg. | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote: I haven't voted. I'm thinking about voting BC. As I've said repeatedly, I don't like any of the candidacies. Bill Murray is a bad candidate. Who is he even going to lynch? None of the proposed lynch candidates are any good. None of the reasons for mayorship are good either. I'd like to vote BC because he looks the most townie of the people who have run and he's the most likely to get shot as well. I would vote for Foolishness if he actually had a chance at becoming mayor. Although, at this point, as usual he has done very little so his alignment is still unknown. Mafia will definitely shoot him n1 if he's town, though. as mentioned earlier I don't really vote into that triangle-of-I-don't-know, namly: Bum + BC + Sandroba My guess is that 1 or maybe even two out of those are scum. As far as I know bum said he likes sandroba and Palmar first, voted kita next and his next vote was on BM. Sandroba buddies with palmar and bc and voted bc. Bc said he wants either BM, bum or meapak as sheriff early on and just voted for meapak. As I said, I'm not really able to figure this out yet | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:10 flamewheel wrote: Ah yeah sorry actual deadline was posted with day post will change OP accordingly. could we get another election update? | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:02 jcarlsoniv wrote: All mayoral candidates must PM both flamewheel and myself the person that you will lynch should you be elected. One hour left in the day. just a mention | ||
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supersoft voted 3 mins before deadline, cyri 2 mins, wbg 2 mins, VE 1 min, kita exactly at the deadline. Nothing bad but could be. Keep that in mind | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:27 Toadesstern wrote: why are you awake at 3:30 am in the morning? I thought you don't care about the election? that was directed towards palmar, sry | ||
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i know. But I don't have shit to do and I DO care about the election. Palmar however said he does not, yet he stays up until 3:30? | ||
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BC masoned Sandroba. Those are the 2 most scummy people in this game for me right now, even prior to the palmar lynch. The point is, that I think only one of them is mafia and I doubt that BOTH are mafia. Not impossible but pretty unlikly imo. Either bc is a scum mason or BC is a town mason and sandroba is the mafia in here. Remember that Sandroba made BC lynch palmar instead of his originial read (whatever that was at that time) via pm? I don't know how likely it is for BC to be manipulated that early but I don't like it. However, given that BC is in an office I'd much rather lynch in to Sandroba to find out which one of is scum and leave BC alive as long as possible. Because if I am / we are really wrong on that we're killing ourselves big time. I would love to see those pm's between sandroba and BC. | ||
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I'm going to take a look but it's either him being incredible overconfident or he knew palmar was town.. | ||
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imo he seemed more like a stubborn towni. He did the EXACT SAME THING he did this game last game and had to change it because people called him out. He tried it again and told himself that he won't change it this time and try something different (again) just this time he went with it. | ||
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On January 16 2012 01:43 risk.nuke wrote: Look I won't bitch with you two, alot of people seem convinced jayjay is town for very inadequate reasons. Which is scummy in itself because first of all smart townies doesn't let the scum know who they have townreads on. That is just bad town play. Speaking of it bad play that brings us to rg. Distinguishing bad townie play from scum play is very hard and as for now rG might very well just be a bad townie. But I'm watching you. depends. If you want to lynch someone I got a townread on I'm going to tell you to shut the fuck up because I think he's a townie. So no telling people your townreads is obviously not always bad. Furthermore it makes reading BM pretty nice. Depending on where I disagree or agree I'm able to say he's probably town or mafia. | ||
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I'd gladly lynch scumdroba or bum. I think sandroba is more scummy however I am a little afraid that we might end up lynching a townie because BC might be a mafia too. If BC's a mafia I don' think sandroba is mafia. Conclusion: I want to lynch sandroba. I'd rather not risk lynching BC so early and lynching sandroba is way better information for us while giving pretty decent chance to hit a red mine | ||
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Yes I'm talking about vigs. The point here is that probably both teams are going to protect their vets. So if you think you found someone scummy and he's a vet that's all fine and nice but that guy is probably going to be protected. Find yourself another target or whatever. I don't want you to shoot that guy. I really see it this way: You're either wrong and you're hurting town A LOT or you're right and won't do shit because that guy is going to be protected = your shot was a waste. Just do be a favor and don't do that. Sry it's so late I was on my train without internet like every weekend Also I think this post is fine and is not problematic at all because I'm not telling what I want you to do, which would be bad indeed. Also that's not helping scum at all. They still have to protect their vets. At this point in time they have to think that maybe we've got a vet that already pm'ed the host. Furthermore there's always a bunch of morons that are not reading the thread (like me, I'm still catching up with the last 2 pages and just arrived) and will just shoot because they never read what I just posted. Obviously that's only for newer players. I'm not going to tell our vets what to do, I just think what I said is a good idea for players who don't know what to do. | ||
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On January 16 2012 06:22 wherebugsgo wrote: @ Toadesstern: Please explain why you find bumatlarge to be scummy. Also, summarize your thoughts on Protactinium and sandroba while you're at it. I want to know things from you. had a townread on bum early on. Later on he said he wants sandroba to be sheriff (who I think to be scum) and he said trusts palmar to be town without giving a reason while everyone else who said he trusts palmar gave a reason why he does so. Although he said he wanted sandroba to be sheriff he voted kita, switched to BM and ended up on proc as far as I know. Another thing is him regretting his vote so early: klick me Feels weird overall but I'm not so sure. Also there's a lot of connections between him and bc+sandroba which I both think might be scumm. I thought protact is town. I'm really unsure about what to think off him right now. Certainly don't like those vote boosts he got. In a game of lol, you'll get my thoughts about sandroba in about 40 mins :p | ||
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On January 16 2012 06:22 wherebugsgo wrote: @ Toadesstern: Please explain why you find bumatlarge to be scummy. Also, summarize your thoughts on Protactinium and sandroba while you're at it. I want to know things from you. as promised (sry took longer because I completly forgot it ) about sandroba: I don't like the fact that BC lynched Palmar at all. Sandroba was the guy who made BC lynch Palmar instead of whoever he wanted to lynch first. I asked BC and Sandroba to show me their pm logs, neither one did it and I don't like the coincidence of bc masoning sandroba although I have to agree that that one point probably is circular reasoning because I think it's something that makes bc scummy Sandroba's budding with Palmar (without a reason) and with BC (without giving an explanation). Also he voted BC. If you now look at what I posted about bum and BC you realize that there's a lot of mentioning each other within this circle of BC-Bum-Sandroba. I've got the feeling sandroba is trying to trick me/ us his picks and his style obviously is not helping at all. My highest priority to lynch right now would be sandroba, followed by bum. I won't support a bc lynch although I think he's leaning scum for me right now because I'm not sure about my judgement of bc yet. I'd say he's got a 30-50% of flipping red instead of true 10 out of 50. | ||
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On January 16 2012 08:42 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't agree that Protact has been giving town direction at all. Notice how absent they have been for the vast majority of the last 24 hours? well yeah but he I consider him being right with some points about BC. I think the talk about masons was not good for town. We could have discussed something else as well, we had enough stuff (like who's acting scummy) and who we want to lynch. BC kind of produced a mass claim. I still don't know if it's that bad but it certainly was not was he intended, at least not without discussing it but discussing it took way too much time when we needed to get a defined picture of our mayors. So yes, protac posted very little, I am scared of him as well and I'd love him to be in no office at all. Still what he posted gave me town vibes. What are your thoughts about sandroba, bum, bc and protac? I think I answered them good enough from my point of view. | ||
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On January 16 2012 09:26 wherebugsgo wrote: [...] Bum, I'm unsure of so far (haven't read through his posts thoroughly tbh). From the initial read I was getting, townish. However, I don't think I've given him as much attention as I should have. I will reread the thread again a couple more times with the flip in mind. [...] The thing about the Palmar flip is that it makes people like zeks, opz, and several others look bad. Lanaia looks bad as well; she has not commented on anything concrete and so far has had no scum reads. It looks rather similar to her play from XLVII. At any rate, I still want thoughts from people on Protac and opz. Sandro/zeks/Lanaia thoughts would be nice too. Yeah I had a town read on bum early on too. The scary thing about protac for me btw (because I did not explain why I called it scary) is that he looks townish to me but I can't realy put it down with words. I'm not trusting myself there at all because I don't even know why I got that townread, it just feels townish because I really liked the big post he did. Sure that' something but that' should not be enough to give me a townread when he's lurking so hardcorde. Why does palmars flip make people like zeks or opz look bad? I'm going to be honest here: They're both a big blank note for me. | ||
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On January 16 2012 09:52 kingjames01 wrote: Why was Mattchew modkilled? Maybe I misunderstood the situation. as far as I know you are allowed to post pms unless they are from a host. However you are not allowed to post a pic of your inbox. | ||
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On January 16 2012 11:04 blahz0r wrote: So you went from liking him to not liking him because of the people he likes. [1] Now you want to lynch him? [2] Yes you did say a little about it but all you have now is a feeling. Why did it go from people he trusted to just a feeling? [3] Go back to bum. Is he MAFIA or not? Can you explain more besides this "I got this bad feeling because so and so are together". I'd like to believe you but there is uncertainty for now. Is there also a possibility that one of them could be town led astray? [4] Still reading a day or two worth of text =\ 1) kind of yeah. At least that's what made me look into him and I now longer had a town feeling. I've got the feeling I was tricked by something. This whole thing looks weird but I can't put my finger on it where I'm wrong beause surly I am wrong somewhere 2) Again: Kind of. I'd much rather see sandroba dead, more explanation at [4] 3) It's a feeling because it's a day1-read. So as my palmar is town, mattchew is town, VE is town were. I'm saying were because palmar and mattchew are both dead and I still call VE a fakeclaimer and I want to know why, I won't call anything based on d1 analysis without a flip something different than a feeling. 4) Most certainly scum and yes I am most certainly wrong somewhere. My point is and always was that I think something is wrong within BC - Bum - Sandroba. I think either one or 2 (maybe all 3 but I doubt they're that stupid) are scum. I think all 3 are scummy to some degree but yeah I'm going to be wrong on one of them at least I guess. I think my scumread on BC is wrong. I'm pretty sure I am right on sandroba and I think I am right on bum, won't call it anything like a 100% call however and neither will I call sandroba a 100% call. The big issue I have is that I think at least one of them is screwing with us by giving fake reads. You know, they're asked to give us 3 townreads and end up listing 2 people I think to be town and 1 I am think to be mafia to screw with us and make it hard to judge them based on their reads because being wrong is hardly something bad as long as it's for a reason. I don't see a reason however especially in what sandroba posts. | ||
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On January 16 2012 12:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I took no action tonight. Just so there are no surprises. of course you did not, you don't have any night actions | ||
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On January 16 2012 12:38 Protactinium wrote: Nah its simpler than that. Sandroba was the first person who supported my case on Ciryandor, when everyone else was ignoring it. The thread was very chaotic, and my case was otherwise being ignored. There's no reason for the mafia to resurrect suspicions on one of their members if it is long gone and buried. sandroba does that as mafia if he's not enough time to or will to play and therefore looks mafia. He does that to screw with other people's "radar". At least that's what he calls it, it worked last time with radfield and I still believe he's doing the same move this very moment. I think he's tricking us again and still support a Sandroba lynch until you give a pretty damn good reason not to lynch him. Cyriandor flipping scum is nothing that makes sandroba look good at all. But I'll take another read about how that ciry-mafia-read started. | ||
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Again, not something that makes sandroba look good at all. ##vote sandroba | ||
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On January 16 2012 13:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: except sandro supported a cyri lynch when protrac supported it? and I believe he mentioned he supported that lynch in skype. Makes sandro look fairly decent actually. I already mentioned that issue and I don't think it is one. What's the reason you wanted to show us the logs now instead of, you know, when we asked you like 24 hours ago? | ||
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We not going to lynch a new guy who barely posted. Theses guys turn out to be unreadable early on and flip by true chance. I've got to admit that I'm not done reading yet but I don't think lynching GGQ is a good idea yet although I would hardly call it a bad idea. We simply got better people. Finding mafia is going to be easier the longer this game takes. You really want to lynch a new guy who HAS to screw up sometimes if he really is mafia? Just lynch the guy we're capable of reading RIGHT NOW: Sandroba | ||
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On January 17 2012 07:02 Jayjay54 wrote: so you still would pick sandro over GGQ and Chaos? Have you read that? Looked very much like scum... As I stated a billion times before, I think either Sandro or BC is scum. If both were town, the logs would be faked. I mean there was enough time, but this is soooo much effort for little gain. I might be wrong here. If one of them is town, I am leaning towards BC. But I am not sure... quoted this, saw your EBWOP: Well it's pretty much the same for me. Just that I think it's BC who's town, Sandroba is just incredible scummy this game and needs to die. Furthermore we're getting way much information out of him after lynching him. I hardly have information about GGQ and Chaos. I couldn't even tell you who they voted or who they want to lynch right now, but yeah I'm still reading. My point is, if both GGQ and sandroba are equally mafia I'd rather lynch sandroba for several issues: I never player with GGQ. Looks like a new guy to me and that's hard to judge from time to time. I'd be way more scared to mislynch GGQ because I'm not capable to understand him because of the fact that he's new. Another thing is that I'd like to get townies on ONE lynch. n1 we had a lot of people saying we need to lynch sandroba (myself included) and there's hardly anyone who disagrees in lynching sandroba although there's a bunch of people who are neutral about him. I think it's easier to get people on sandroba on a hard d2. After all d2 is still a day with little information and we're bound to have a lot of people who think they found scum as well and therefor think they need to vote the guy they found instead of say sandroba or GGQ. | ||
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On January 17 2012 07:10 Protactinium wrote: Lets stop discussing Sandroba/BC being mafia for now. There are bigger fish to fry (all the apathetic people). That's something I've got problems with. Why to you want to lynch into apathetic people at all. Those people are the kind of people you lynch when you've got nothing going on and need to get at least something going. Just let our vigis shoot into lurkers and deal with them once we run out of obvious targets like sandroba. That's what our vigis are good for after all. | ||
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On January 17 2012 07:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's posts like these that only solidify GGQ is scum. Look at the way Toad defends GGQ, he recognizes the merits of the case but says we have better people. This is a common theme with people who think GGQ is a bad lynch, let's take a look at another such person. are you kidding me? I pushed for a sandroba lynch way before people even started to think about GGQ. If anythin GGQ is the guy who is supposed to safe Sandroba | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 07:42 Protactinium wrote: Apathy is not inactivity. Apathy does not mean that a player is unreadable. On the contrary, look at how this game has unfolded as a whole. Day 1 is full of chaos. The thread explodes to 75 pages, and hardly anyone is looking for mafia. You have some hardline players like WBG and company who want to throw Palmar off a cliff, and a bunch of useless mason discussion. The mafia have no reason to be actively at the front of the stage because it inherently carries risk. The town is already in a natural state of chaos anyway. Thus, the mafia are the ones who are going to be slacking off. A sandroba lynch is absolutely ridiculous and the amount of support it is getting is shockingly disturbing. No mafia digs up a case on a fellow mafia when it is dead and buried. Lets look at one of your posts about sandroba: Explain how you know Sandroba made BC lynch Palmar, when he never said such a thing. starting from the bottom: On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote: Palmar you need to try harder, you are too easy to spot as scum nowadays. I'd rather not lynch any vets day1 but you make it so hard not to lynch you. Please go die in a corner. I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler That's what he's talking about: + Show Spoiler + [14/01/2012 3:53:12 PM] james: i have foolishness, palmar, protact, brownbear and wiggles [14/01/2012 3:53:16 PM] james: on a list of possible red vets [14/01/2012 3:53:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol [14/01/2012 3:53:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: i want to lynch none of those [14/01/2012 3:53:35 PM] james: most wont [14/01/2012 3:53:41 PM] james: brownbear hasn't posted that I remember [14/01/2012 3:53:47 PM] james: if i had to choose former mayor candidates [14/01/2012 3:53:50 PM] james: is shoot slardar [14/01/2012 3:53:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: bb might even get mkéd [14/01/2012 3:53:53 PM] james: but hes so obviously not red [14/01/2012 3:54:12 PM] james: so many vets have done [14/01/2012 3:54:13 PM] Sandro Maculan: tbh i don't even remember reading his posts [14/01/2012 3:54:15 PM] james: dick fuck all [14/01/2012 4:01:44 PM] Sandro Maculan: man I'll compromise don't lynch fool or incog then you get my vote [14/01/2012 4:04:25 PM] james: fine, ill agree to that [14/01/2012 4:05:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: k gotta roll [14/01/2012 4:05:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'd totally support palmar [14/01/2012 4:06:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck him he is scum so yes. I'd say sandroba made BC lynch palmar About digging up: That's no mafia digging it up. He only commented on that AFTER someone else digged it up and that IS totally scumdroba play. A lot of people think he's scum => he accused a scumbuddy to be mafia to make people think "hey, if sandroba thinks that guy is scum that guy can't be scum at all". That's what he did with radfield / annul last time and it worked too. Sadly we did not have an irc log off the game I'm talking about but I'm sure VE and Jackal can tell you what I'm talking about. If you want you can even check out the game yourself. It's not hard to find within the thread if yu want to (which I doubt). | ||
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On January 17 2012 08:01 ~OpZ~ wrote: I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right. she is that wishy washy as town. I don't think she's mafia at all unless she does that on purpose to look like her town play. I'd say the first one is more likly. | ||
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On January 17 2012 08:14 Liquid`Sheth wrote: The reasoning for why I don't want to lynch Sandro / Protact tonight is mostly because I think we have a much much better read on the others. [b]Sandro has been a bit quiet and although he did help lynch Palmar which I dislike he has also been very decisive.[b] Protact I feel helped cause the Vig shot on Cy and he despite switching lynch candidates he never did so for no reason. Might have tooken him a bit to explain but he has. read the posts he where he tells us what he likes and what he does not like. Do you think that this is a townie who is trying to help by evaluating why he got the reads he has? | ||
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On January 17 2012 08:22 p4NDemik wrote: Toad can you please be less ambiguous are you talking about Proact or Sandro? sry didn't see this post earlier. Are you talking about this post? On January 17 2012 08:19 Toadesstern wrote: read the posts he where he tells us what he likes and what he does not like. Do you think that this is a townie who is trying to help by evaluating why he got the reads he has? If that's the one you want me to make clearer I think your confusion is based on my failure to [b]-tag something: I was talking about sandroba and thought the b tags make that clear. "edited" within my quote. | ||
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I'll just quote something else sandroba said, it's going to be big: On January 17 2012 01:58 sandroba wrote: Alright gotta go with GGQ. He is doing his usual scum meta which is popping in from time to time with short messages that don't explain shit. Not only that but most of them is actively spread doubt without trying to gather any support from others on his "beliefs". This is something that makes absolutely no sense from a town player to do, but fits mafia behavior quite nicely. Mafia wants to be ignored while putting in seeds of doubt in peoples head that are hard to trace back to the original source. And that's GGQ's play. He is mafia. ##Vote: GGQ EVERYONE, do me a favor: Replace GGQ in his post with "sandroba" and look into sandrobas filter. He is doing the exact same thing. In fact the post I quoted is the only one that really explains something. If you're a clever townie you don't believe a word I say, because I'm going the same thing he accused GGQ to do and I am accusing him to do. I'm only posting some thoughts, maybe a little explanation but that could very well be bullshit. No let's look into some posts he did to back up what I just said: On January 13 2012 17:11 sandroba wrote: Hi everybody, I'll be running for mayor and I need your support. The whole basis of my campaign is being town and pretty decent at figuring out scum. Myself holding day1 lynch and 3 votes everyday is a pretty good deal on average I'd say so. Also it's ridiculously easy to figure out my alignment not only because I suck as scum, but also because I hate it and usually can't keep up with the thread after a few days. So yeah, you don't have to worry about that because I'm thankfully town this game. Another benefit to electing me is that I usually get shot pretty early on (normally day2 the latest), and I can tell you that keeping me alive will improve town's chances by a lot. Let me say that there is no fucking reason to not elect a trustworthy established sumhunter in favor of electing a new player whose millage may vary. The main goal of the mayor role is to get someone who can reliably get scum lynched and be a threat to mafia. Putting in a random dude has no benefit to town and can even be detrimental if the dude has his head stuck up his ass. So town gather up and give me your support, because mafia isn't going to let me get this position easily. It makes them feel unsafe and fearful. They are right. I'm coming for them. I consinder this to be trollsandroba. [b]-tagged the things I find funny. On January 14 2012 04:26 sandroba wrote: Okay let me address somethings I liked in this thread: 1) Proactinum post is the best one so far. Fuck yes I like it. Cyriandor is my top candidate for lynch if I get elected. 2) Jackal's idea is very good. If I'm elected I'll lynch 1 or 0 bg. 3) I'm seriously considering supporting a mason mass claim day1. Mafia will have to claim it early if they ever want to use it and it gives us good basis for discussion. These big games fall rapidly out of control if we don't keep focus and this will give us something to go by. 1) is what I'm talking about, 2) isn't exactly awesome as well and 3) well idk. See his mass caps about that later on On January 14 2012 05:34 sandroba wrote: Alright peeps here are the advantages of mass claim masons: 1) It forces mafia to come under a lot of scrutiny if they want to use the mason power. The plan is to watch these people closely and get a lot of the info out in the open, instead of allowing masons to operate in the shadows. 2) If mafia doesn't want the spot light they will probably not claim nor use their mason powers, which is very good for town. For this same reason we must not go on a witch hunt on the claimed masons, because they can be of any alignment and may be all town as well. We shall lynch people because of suspicious behavior, not because of trying to find mafia withing the masons. 3) There is not much of a downside to it. If mafia wants to waste their roleblock/kill on mason by all means be my guest. It further protects our really important blue roles which is great. If they choose to ignore them we are back in the same place we we're before with extra info as town that mafia opted not to use. Which is great. here we go. Finally something he explains, however, as many people already pointed out that's incredible easy for mafia. I think BC or someone else told us that this is a common topic and there's talk about this even outside games because it's controversial. No problem to share thoughts on that one as a mafia. On January 14 2012 05:48 sandroba wrote: MASONS. FUCKING MASS CLAIM. RIGHT NOW. THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE. awesome. Another Scumdroba-troll post I guess? Jackal + VE, am I the only one thinking about his "FUCK GUYS, LYNCH ANNUL. PALMARS CASE IS THE BEST CASE EVER" post from incogs game? On January 14 2012 15:38 sandroba wrote: OkaY. We will not fucking lynch anyone important today. Period. We will lynch a baddie and if he flips town what the fuck ever. Town vets are going to get slaughtered/medic'ed soon and we will be able to make a much more informed decisionon their alignment. I'm going to still lynch ciryandor cuz he is ugly and smells bad. No one is going to lynch palmar/bc/whoever has a name because these guys are going to die or be scum which will make our lives easier. Trust me on this one and fucking vote for me. I'll rape bitches left and right and in the end we will make a party celebrating peace and love. Yes I'm fucking drunk but I'm still the man to get the job done. Peace. isn't he contradicting himself? "We will not lynch anyone important today. Period. We're going to lynch palmar instead!" + even more troll. On January 14 2012 15:40 sandroba wrote: @palmar fuck you start playing properly already nothing really. People already called him out multiple times to start playing serious and he does the same. Easy to do for mafia. Not saying that it makes him look mafia but it's not something that makes him look green. It's just a null. On January 14 2012 15:49 sandroba wrote: Nah you don't interest me. Plus I wish I could. Maybe I can. Who the fuck knows. same again On January 14 2012 16:26 sandroba wrote: Alright people I want to get elected and no one is fucking voting for me. What do you want me to do so you would fucking vote? Tell me and I'll do it. I have plenty of time right now and I can post random useless shit if that's what get's you voting. troll On January 14 2012 16:34 sandroba wrote: I think I talked about this already. He's ugly and smells bad. Also protact's case was the best thing to land on this thread so far. Also I might lynch a bg instead. Who knows. troll On January 14 2012 16:46 sandroba wrote: I was walking down the street one day and I suddenly a foul scent hit my nose. I was like what the shit, where the fuck is this coming from? Did I just step on human fesses or what? After checking my feet and realizing it was clean I looked around and spotted a horrid looking creature that dropped 2 terrible posts in the begging of a game then was never heard of again. It was ciryandor. Protact had warned me about his unpleasant presence. Right then I decided I would rid the world of such disturbing annoyance and thus I hit him repeatedly over the head with my grandma's shoes. He finally succumbed, bored into oblivion. I felt victorious after checking my grandma's shoes and realizing a crimson taint had soaked them. Life was good. Being mayor made me proud. The whole idea of being elected to kill some random dude and being able to single handedly execute it was exciting. I stretched out my arm and an eagle landed on it. Fuck yes I'm a boss. troll also he was told to On January 15 2012 05:54 sandroba wrote: K people I have a problem that I don't have anyone I can vote on because I don't like any of the lynch candidates. I'd vote protact if he changed back to ciryandor or BC if he change off of protactinum. I need to go out in about 30 min and won't be here for the lynch so unless fw can let me delay the lynch for like 6 hours I can't be mayor. Make sure I get sheriff though. Fuck i need to decide fast. nothing at all. No reasoning and saying mayor candidates look bad is easy to do for mafia again. Same as above, not scummy but not townish as well On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote: Palmar you need to try harder, you are too easy to spot as scum nowadays. I'd rather not lynch any vets day1 but you make it so hard not to lynch you. Please go die in a corner. I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler I already said something about this one: "we're not going to lynch a vet. Period." => "yeah let's lynch palmar". Seems like he uses that "we're not going to lynch vets" how it pleases him depending on wether is's good for him or not at this time because clearly he is contradicting himself On January 15 2012 14:10 sandroba wrote: Yo I'm back. I didn't even know there was a separate voting thread, so i voted here. My bad, won't happen again. Thanks for not modkilling me =) Can't keep up with the thread / doesn't even know the rules. Isn't that something that, according to his own words, tell us he's scum? Next thing would be the post about GGQ. I already quoted it as a startet On January 17 2012 02:28 sandroba wrote: What in the fuck is that post jayjay? That whole wall post doesn't say shit and your conclusion is even more baffling to me. Nice try scum, but you need to make a bit more sense if you want to look good. Huge walls of nothing ain't gonna cut it. calling out a new guy. I don't mind him callimg jayjay out at all. But "nice try scum" is just bullshit after jj's post imo. On January 17 2012 03:00 sandroba wrote: Well if I could be sure vigis would shoot this dude sure. But lurking or not I'm pretty sure he is scum because of the way he is operating and lynching scum, lurker or not, generates a lot of good info. wat? circular reasoning. On January 17 2012 03:28 sandroba wrote: I'm not quite sure on him because jackal is freaking jackal, but last time he was town i could tell right away and he did put in some effort and got killed early on. He just seems lazy and jumping on convenient stuff and he is back to his usual useless one line posting which he used to do as both alignments. He's either made a step back or he is scum this game, I need more to decide accurately, but I'm leaning scum on him atm. I'm going to be honest here: I disagree with him but it is at least an explanation. The only one he did imo On January 17 2012 03:31 sandroba wrote: One thing that tipped me off is him comparing my play to the game we played together as scum, which he should be able to do better and realize that's not the same. Easy thing to do. Not providing examples. Just saying something. Sandroba has to die | ||
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On January 17 2012 09:38 Protactinium wrote: Nice try, but no. Look at the timing of these posts. You claim that sandroba made BC lynch Palmar 5 hours before before BC posted his chat logs. I don't believe that you are clairvoyant. The only information that you should have had access to was the post you quoted from the thread. But I seriously doubt that as a townie you would be bold enough to claim that Sandroba forced BC to lynch Palmar, when his in thread post is quite ambiguous. ESPECIALLY when wherebugsgo was THE #1 vocal proponent of lynching Palmar. If you were a townie, I highly doubt that you would ignore wherebugsgo's BLATANT support for the Palmar lynch and instead attempt to pin it on sandroba. Your story does not match up. You posess information that you should not have had at the time and are trying to hide it. I thought sandroba made BC lynch Palmar because of his post yes. No I do not have clairvoyant. BC said he wants to lynch A => sandroba says he discussed with BC and they both agreed to lynch Palmar => BC lynches palmar. I think it's pretty straight forward. Even if you don't believe you, just consider what you're saying. You think I've got information I should not have? You think that I KNOW that sandroba (because I'm talking about red sandroba all the time) told BC to lynch Palmar instead of someone else because I am mafia as well. And that's the reason I come in this thread to tell you sandroba is scum, because I as a scum myself know what he and BC talker about? That's just not making sense at all. | ||
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On January 17 2012 09:45 Toadesstern wrote: I thought sandroba made BC lynch Palmar because of his post yes. No I do not have clairvoyant. BC said he wants to lynch A => sandroba says he discussed with BC and they both agreed to lynch Palmar => BC lynches palmar. I think it's pretty straight forward. Even if you don't believe me, just consider what you're saying. You think I've got information I should not have? You think that I KNOW that sandroba (because I'm talking about red sandroba all the time) told BC to lynch Palmar instead of someone else because I am mafia as well. And that's the reason I come in this thread to tell you sandroba is scum, because I as a scum myself know what he and BC talker about? That's just not making sense at all. EBWOP above Actually I don't care what you think about me right now. If you truly believe I am mafia and bussed sandroba fine with me. vote sandroba, see his flip and after he flipped red we might talk about if I am bussing him with my clairvoyance or not fine? And please do me a favor and don't just ignore the big post I made about sandroba last page. | ||
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On January 17 2012 09:58 Protactinium wrote: The bold is bullshit. Sandroba discussed with BC and said they came to a compromise. What is this compromise? You don't know. I don't think you're mafia bussing sandroba. You're just bullshitting hard in order to get a town sandroba lynched. Everyone is talking too much about bussing when it doesn't really make any sense at this point. Yeah sry that "they both agree to lynch palmar" is what I thought, not what I said, so in reality it's: BC said he wants to lynch A => sandroba says he discussed with BC => BC lynches palmar instead of A. I think it's pretty straight forward. and yes. I checked to log afterwards to check if I was right. Just take a look at what sandroba posted: On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote: Palmar you need to try harder, you are too easy to spot as scum nowadays. I'd rather not lynch any vets day1 but you make it so hard not to lynch you. Please go die in a corner. I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler Looks to me like something like "I'll only vote you IF xxxx" happened within pm-land. He said he votes BC BECAUSE they got a compromise. => If they did not have a compromise he would not have voted BC. So that post of sandrobas shows that he made BC do at least something and yeah I'm going to be honest here: I doubted (at that point in time) that that something was a picture of BC with a shoe on his head. What else should sandroba have asked BC to change that has to be changed before n1 starts because everything else could have been an issue later on as well. | ||
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let's say A, B, C and D are mafia and they have 2 KP. If they want to kill X and Z the have to tell the hosts who is going to kill them. If they decide that A kills X and B kills Z and we got a roleblock or a sheriff on A or B that kill is denied as far as I know. But mafia does not have to announce the killer in every set-up. For example incog told me last game I was mafia that we don't need to tell him the killers, so roleblocking KP was not possible in that set-up although town got a sheriff. | ||
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So if the sheriff locks up a mafia they're treated as (#-mafia)-1 because one is locked up. could we get a host confirmation on that one? Is it able to denie a kill if you lock up the right mafia or is it just useful for lowering the amount of mafias that will determine who much KP they got? | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:23 BrownBear wrote: Not to mention Kenpachi immediately switches his vote to Sandroba right after Toadesstern posts a huge rant about why Sandroba must die (page 97). I feel like he's avoiding attention for some reason, and I want to know why. I think that's coincidence. I doubt he's able to read my post within 60 secs :p Kepnachi is know to be a troll who is not contributing and will definitly hang the moment we run out of reasonable lynch-targets. | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:28 Protactinium wrote: Nope its not what you thought, its what you said Everybody note the bold and see how the story changes each time. You know what a compromise is right? It means both parties give up part of their demand to come to some mutual ground they can agree upon. It does not mean that one party gets their way. But for some reason you conclude that sandro "made BC lynch Palmar" from "we came to a compromise"? You are pretty obviously stretching things. I hope people can see that. exactly that's my point. It's a compromise so sandroba made BC do something he would not have done without that compromise. I'm not saying he forced BC to do so but he obviously said "if you do X I will vote you" and that made BC change up whatever he changed. You know what a compromise is right? It means both parties give up part of their demand to come to some mutual ground they can agree upon. You're agreeing it's a compromise and that's what Sandroba said. That IS influence someone. All I'm saying is that Sandroba was influencing BC and made him do something. That somethign was lynching palmar. | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:31 wherebugsgo wrote: supersoft: Is Toad scum? I have an answer already, I want you to help. You being German and all. I guess you think I am mafia because I told you palmar is town and I am telling you sandroba is mafia? Don't like it? Why? | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:41 wherebugsgo wrote: y u so scared bro? As I asked earlier, which post by sandro gave you the impression that he convinced BC to lynch Palmar? BC, what do you think of this Protac/Toad situation? because I don't want to lose again as a townie 100% win-rate as mafia 0% win rate as townie. Yeah I'm totally scared because I'm mafia :p But enough of this trolling. Are you even reading what I posted? I explained that the post I quoted from sandroba made me think e made BC lynch palmar. I was right, it is reasonable and you ignore it. You lynched palmar (a townie). You are trying to safe sandroba with everything you got and still I think you're a townie from what you posted d1. But you're a little to often wrong for me right now | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:42 L wrote: 2 of 2 This was well timed. Kenpachi should be dead according to Kurumis crumb. No ones come out in the past day to explain anything. Kurumis crumb was super overt, which indicates that he was comfortable dying during the night. This particular post, however, is both a way of distancing Toad from Kenpachi (he is a troll, he will hang), while simultaneously defending him (He wont hang till everyone else of worthy suspicion dies). Even if Kenpachi is shot and flips red, Toad can push his connection with the hang comment. If he dies and flips down, Toad can claim he was the lowest priority. This is possibly the safest disengagement post possible. Given the fact that last night indicates that Kenpachi is mafia, his sheeping on Toad combined with Toads response indicats that theyre not just buddies, but scumbuddies. If you arent swayed, check out Kenpachis filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=51151 Toads filter is much more interesting read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=40853 I won't push anything about Kenpachi. He's a troll, I can't read him, I want him dead as soon all reasonable targets are dead because he's a coinflip for me. Yes I'd much rather lynch someone who's something like 80:20 to flip red than someone who's a 50:50 for me | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:49 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't give a shit about sandroba, actually. I want him to die as much as the next guy, but I am more concerned with other people atm, because they are not receiving any attention. And, as we all know, mafia love attention. You like the attention, don't you? As I say again, where did sandro say he convinced BC to lynch Palmar? You can point to that "compromise" post all you want, but it says nothing. Protac is right that you are stretching the hell out of that one post to try and make yourself look correct. On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote: Palmar you need to try harder, you are too easy to spot as scum nowadays. I'd rather not lynch any vets day1 but you make it so hard not to lynch you. Please go die in a corner. I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler That clearly states that he told BC somethign along the lines "do X and I will vote you". How don't you agree with that? Why do you want to get chaos for town? We're having a bunch of people who are all scummy to some degree. You want to toss 5 more names into the room to discuss so that we spread our votes because everyone thinks someone else is the most scummy one? I don't think that's somethin we should do | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:58 sandroba wrote: Alright I hate to bring up discussion on a dead player because it's useless but morons + mafia getting me lynched today would be even more detrimental. Damn right that I thought lynching any vets on day 1 with mayor vote was poor play. However as you can see in the logs bc wanted to lynch fool/protact/palmar/wiggles/brownbear. All of those I thought was a poor choice for day1 lynch and I had a town read on fool (btw where the fuck are you) and protactinum. Also at that point Protactinum wanted to lynch BC which I also have a town read on. I had to decide quickily on who to vote because my ride was about to get here. The compromise I negotiated with BC was that he didn't lynch those 2. Palmar was the one from those that I had a scum lean because of the way he was playing. I was expecting him to come in midway through day1 and start posting properly instead of trolling if he was town, but he had not done it yet. Then right after that discussion happened with BC palmar pops in in thread and says something along the lines "I support a BC lynch, cuz he is stupid, I don't care about alignment" which further cemented my read on him, along with his defense for people calling him out for troll/inactivity and him saying "why don't you call out kenpachi on the same basis" which is stupid and he was supposed to know it. Right then I became pretty confident that palmar was actually scum and said so in thread and to BC in skype. At that point my friend called and she was at my door. So I had to go. Now that's all the explanation I have. Let's move on. so you're telling me that you think BC's choices were ALL horrible and you picked the least horrible one / the one you got a slight lean / the one you thought to be scum (depending on what time it was) and that's the reason to vote BC? why not just vote someone else who you agree with in the first place? | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok so town has gone back to being stupid. GGQ is dying today. No one has refuted my analysis and everyone "defending" only says that they don't think he's the best lynch for today. They do not deny he's scummy, they simply seek to save him from the lynch. So without further ado, please stop allowing the mafia to influence this lynch and vote for GGQ. I'm really tired hearing from the people pushing Sandroba. They have no case and are simply shitting up the thread. Let's get back to actual scum hunting. Of my earlier list, opz deserves a closer look as does scamp (who I added after a later post). Also going to be looking into ToadEastern. You can consider all of these FoS's. Since this is three people, I support enacting a double lynch for tomorrow as I'm fairly certain I will have two scum lined up and ready. Also Bum is MIA, I'd love for him to start posting again. you're kidding me right? That got to be a joke... + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 09:18 Toadesstern wrote: how is it even possible to have so little support for sandroba after we had so many people who said that they'd be all over sandroba the last 2 days? I'll just quote something else sandroba said, it's going to be big: EVERYONE, do me a favor: Replace GGQ in his post with "sandroba" and look into sandrobas filter. He is doing the exact same thing. In fact the post I quoted is the only one that really explains something. If you're a clever townie you don't believe a word I say, because I'm going the same thing he accused GGQ to do and I am accusing him to do. I'm only posting some thoughts, maybe a little explanation but that could very well be bullshit. No let's look into some posts he did to back up what I just said: I consinder this to be trollsandroba. [b]-tagged the things I find funny. 1) is what I'm talking about, 2) isn't exactly awesome as well and 3) well idk. See his mass caps about that later on here we go. Finally something he explains, however, as many people already pointed out that's incredible easy for mafia. I think BC or someone else told us that this is a common topic and there's talk about this even outside games because it's controversial. No problem to share thoughts on that one as a mafia. awesome. Another Scumdroba-troll post I guess? Jackal + VE, am I the only one thinking about his "FUCK GUYS, LYNCH ANNUL. PALMARS CASE IS THE BEST CASE EVER" post from incogs game? isn't he contradicting himself? "We will not lynch anyone important today. Period. We're going to lynch palmar instead!" + even more troll. nothing really. People already called him out multiple times to start playing serious and he does the same. Easy to do for mafia. Not saying that it makes him look mafia but it's not something that makes him look green. It's just a null. same again troll troll troll also he was told to nothing at all. No reasoning and saying mayor candidates look bad is easy to do for mafia again. Same as above, not scummy but not townish as well I already said something about this one: "we're not going to lynch a vet. Period." => "yeah let's lynch palmar". Seems like he uses that "we're not going to lynch vets" how it pleases him depending on wether is's good for him or not at this time because clearly he is contradicting himself Can't keep up with the thread / doesn't even know the rules. Isn't that something that, according to his own words, tell us he's scum? Next thing would be the post about GGQ. I already quoted it as a startet calling out a new guy. I don't mind him callimg jayjay out at all. But "nice try scum" is just bullshit after jj's post imo. wat? circular reasoning. I'm going to be honest here: I disagree with him but it is at least an explanation. The only one he did imo Easy thing to do. Not providing examples. Just saying something. Sandroba has to die and there's multiple other posts as well. Furthermore Sandroba was the first guy who we started to discuss, so if anything according to your post YOU are influencing this lynch with your GGQ when already a bunch of people said that sandroba is the way to go | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:12 sandroba wrote: Are you telling me you can only read one line at a time? I answered both your questions in the very same post you quoted. yeah I read those but I I would have had that discussion with BC and he told me he's going to lynch one of either 5 people and I think that all 5 are townies or bad for another reason I'd consider not voting him because he told me, that he conisders to lynch one of them. Even you say that you thought that palmar is scummy later on. BC tellin you 5 names, you think 1 of them is scum and everyone else is a bad lynch is not exactly something I would vote for mayor. | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Your analysis is so forced it's almost comical. Your entire case revolves around the assumption that Sandroba told BC to kill Palmar and that he's trolling. Point 1 is no good, point 2 is stupid because it's better to lynch scum than trolls. And please, I've been speaking out against GGQ since I started posting. Oh and don't pretend that a couple people all shouting "sandroba is scum" using fancy red words somehow equates to "a bunch of people." well the first point is prove right thanks to bc and the 2nd point you're telling me is a lie. I'm telling you to lynch sandroba because he tells people "If I do X lynch me" proceeds to do X and later on "lynch GGQ because he does Y" and as shown by what I posted he does Y himself. X = not able to keep up with the thread Y = giving little thoughts about what he thinks and if he does he's not explaining them. I only mentioned trolls because imo "I want to lynch cyri is ugly and smells" is some attempt to cover his not existing reasons with jokes. | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:15 Foolishness wrote: Pretty interesting how you just mentioned Macpo now and decided to (almost) ignore him completely from the start of the game. In fact I find it very very very interesting that you make a lot of posts like these... ...while choosing to ignore a lynch candidate who is under attack from arguably the 2 best scumhunters in this game. Hey Incog, I found another mafia! this guy wants to lynch GGQ, someone incog thinks to be scum as well. So one of those 2 got to be wrong? | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:42 Bill Murray wrote: 2 people who are masons are mafia together the sandroba lynch gives us a lot of information I don't know if I like that You're supporting a sandroba lynch, that's nice but what you're posting is not could you give a little more explanation why you think a sandroba lynch is giving us information? I think so too but I'd like to hear it from you. | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:55 Protactinium wrote: What is your point. Care to give any analysis? (other than sandroba, we've already heard enough of that). you two say meapak is scum and you say GGQ is scum. Meapak wants GGQ to die. Something's wrong there unless meapak is know to do this. | ||
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So far some people said that be noone told me why without lying or misinterpreting what I said | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:12 Toadesstern wrote: just give me a reason why you think my case on sandroba is retarded beyond belief. So far some people said that but noone told me why without lying or misinterpreting what I said EBWOP | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:27 Protactinium wrote: Your case is basically "sandroba is trolling, and he isn't playing like a saint." Doesn't mean he's mafia. You also ignore the fact that sandroba supported my case on a confirmed mafia. As for the rest, I've already explained why the sandroba case is bad (responding to hiro progatonist's analysis). I really don't need to respond to every analysis on sandroba. Come back only after you've read my posts thoroughly. see what I'm talking about? Either lies or misinterpreting No my case is not about trolling it's about the fact that he dodging everything he can. He does not give explanations, he gives only very little reads and used humour to cover his lack of explanation. That's why I am mentioning the trolls because they're in places were you should simply write 2 or 3 lines to explain his thoughts. He refuses to do so. And no I am not ignoring the case that he supported that case. He did that as well with annul and VE last game I was mafia with him. He is known to do that to screw with peoples reads. If people think he's mafia they think sandrobas reads are wrong => therefore saying a mafia is mafia makes people think his mafia buddy is town because people think he is town. He does that. | ||
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But yeah I don't know what to think about BM as well right now I don't like sheriffing lanaia at all. It's just a lot that sounds weird to some people (like what you mentioned). Don't know if that's a coincidence. However I still can't forget what Protactiniumt asked me earlier:+ Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 09:38 Protactinium wrote: Nice try, but no. Look at the timing of these posts. You claim that sandroba made BC lynch Palmar 5 hours before before BC posted his chat logs. I don't believe that you are clairvoyant. The only information that you should have had access to was the post you quoted from the thread. But I seriously doubt that as a townie you would be bold enough to claim that Sandroba forced BC to lynch Palmar, when his in thread post is quite ambiguous. ESPECIALLY when wherebugsgo was THE #1 vocal proponent of lynching Palmar. If you were a townie, I highly doubt that you would ignore wherebugsgo's BLATANT support for the Palmar lynch and instead attempt to pin it on sandroba. Your story does not match up. You posess information that you should not have had at the time and are trying to hide it. There is still no possibility for this OMGUS to be true. 1) He states that he does not believe that I am able to read what I said out of what Sandroba posted (important!) 2) He says he does not think I am bussing my mafia buddy 3) !!!Assumption of my own!!!: I don't think that he thinks BC is mafia How in the world am I supposed to get that information I should not possess? Because you think that makes me look strange. If I am a mafia and asked my mafia buddy to give me the logs (eitehr BC or Sandroba) this makes sense, because I could read the logs and therefor know what's inside the logs. However he said that's bullshit and said I'm bullshitting a townie into death. So impossible according to him. Furthermore he tells me that I'm not having that good intuition to read that out of sandroba. Guess what when I am mafia and sandroba is town (because you don't think I'm bussing him) he's not going to give me his logs. Asking would be against the rules in the first place unless I'm another mason (sandroba do me a favor and tell him I did not mason or somehow contact you outside this game, BC the same) Yeah I know you did not want to talk about it and maybe I know why but please, give me just one single plausible solution to this problem: How did I get that information I am not supposed to possess if you don't think I have the same alignment as sandroba. Did I ask Santa to give me the logs? | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:54 Protactinium wrote: Interestingly, you never once mention in your analysis that sandroba is "dodging". If your case isn't about trolling, why do I see a bunch of random sandroba quotes followed by the commentary "troll". You never definitively give a conclusion to your analysis as to what the summary points of your case are, because quite frankly you are all over the place and its hard to get your main points. And yeah, that just means sandroba isn't playing like a saint. Sandroba doesn't explain Ciryandor in much detail, but he doesn't have to. I already analyzed him. No need to repeat the same stuff over and over. You are also wrong that this is the same case as TL Mafia XLVIII. The important thing is not that he attacks Ciryandor, but HOW he does it. In XLVIII, Sandroba jumps on annul when annul is already a big topic of discussion and he is already getting votes. In this game, Sandroba jumps on Ciryandor when the case is dead and buried. HUGE difference there. Quit saying that I'm lying and misinterpreting when you don't even properly conclude your "analysis" or attempt to clarify your main points. If all you're going to say about a post is "troll" don't even mention it. It just distracts from your argument. read the very first part of my case again and when you come back and still tell me what you just posted I'm going to lynch you: Toads case I'll just quote something else sandroba said, it's going to be big: EVERYONE, do me a favor: Replace GGQ in his post with "sandroba" and look into sandrobas filter. He is doing the exact same thing. That is the very beginning of my post except for the little part early on ( "how is it even possible to have so little support for sandroba after we had so many people who said that they'd be all over sandroba the last 2 days?"). Sandroba says He is doing his usual scum meta which is popping in from time to time with short messages that don't explain shit. Not only that but most of them is actively spread doubt without trying to gather any support from others on his "beliefs". This is something that makes absolutely no sense from a town player to do, but fits mafia behavior quite nicely. That is what he accuses GGQ to do and I said sandroba does exactly the same. How did I NOT tell I am talking about (let's quote again) He is doing his usual scum meta which is popping in from time to time with short messages that don't explain shit. | ||
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I hope for your good and my sanity that I'm wrong on sandroba and really am a moron. Because if I see sandroba red I'm going to get mad. | ||
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As mentioned, sandroba has not enough supporters so I'm switching votes. I still don't see how sandroba is NOT fitting foolish's analysis as well but I won't get you on sandroba at this point so I'd might just help you lynch macpo and lynch you all afterwards if this turns out to be wrong. | ||
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On January 17 2012 23:01 kingjames01 wrote: Alright, have to run to TA but this post alone makes me think that you're mafia. FOS: Toadesstern awesome here we are again. This is not helping at all. Explain why you think so or it will make people think I'm town based of your the fact that your cheap post is looking pretty scummy too. So if you really think so put at least some effort into it and explain why you think so instead of saying "yeah I think so" which is np to change later on because as soon as you see a flip you can always say "yeah told you so" or "sry I was wrong but it wasn't a strong read at all" because there's nothing into it. | ||
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On January 18 2012 00:31 Jitsu wrote: Ok, so let's review. You tunnel Sandroba endlessly. You make a post that's longer than any other post in you're eight pages of filter, to push Sandroba's filter. When it's fairly obvious, you jump off the bandwagon and say that you will lynch Macpo. In turn to agreeing to lynch Macpo, it seems you are essentially try to rid yourself of all of responsibility of the lynch. Why? To not draw attention? What is you're reasoning for doing this? What if it turns out to be red? Do we have the go-ahead to kill you outright? Give a good reason why you are voting for Macpo. Because noone else is going to be lynched today. I'm not sure if Macpo is red yet. But what good is there in keep telling you guys to lynch sandroba if noones listening. If you don't want to lynch sandroba although he's mafia it's fine with me at this point. For my point of view I'm either spot on, right and some people here don't want you to believe me or I'm completly wrong. First thing won't be solved befor we see a lynch, 2nd one is up to me. What we're going to do? If the guy flips red we're going to lynch the next guy on the list of whoever suggested macpo first-ish. If he flips green we're going to trust someone else and look exactly at who voted macpo and when. You think I'm trying to get out of responsibility? I don't think I can get out of responsibility at this point in time and noone will think I am out of responsibilty if (and only if) sandroba flips green, which won't happen. However, that's not going to be a problem for me. Noone cares about responsibility so far except for when it fits what they want to believe Why do you want to lynch me if this guy flips green? I'm not even sure he's a red yet (I take it that sounds scummy to you and you don't think about what it could be else?), I even said so earlier and at this point I don't care at all because I simply failed to get you on my side so I might as well join the side I think is most likely green for me. Now that you speak about responsibilty. What happens with wbg? I am a fairly new guy, yet I was able to tell him that his case on palmar is wrong because what palmar did fit his meta as well, just look at the game wbg co-hosted. WBG pushed a townie-lynch and you don't care about it. Yet you tell me that you want to lynch me because of some flip that has NOTHING to do with me and still has to come? If I REALLY am a mafia willing to bus someone so easily or just get on a bandwagon I'm not dangerous at all, because I'd be trying to evade a lynch by exactly doing what town wants me to do. So far wbg was wrong twice and both times a newby like me was able to see that comming before it even happened. He's wrong with me too, but you'll see that soon enough, especially if you really want to lynch me. | ||
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On January 18 2012 00:54 Toadesstern wrote: Because noone else is going to be lynched today. I'm not sure if Macpo is red yet. But what good is there in keep telling you guys to lynch sandroba if noones listening. If you don't want to lynch sandroba although he's mafia it's fine with me at this point. For my point of view I'm either spot on, right and some people here don't want you to believe me or I'm completly wrong. First thing won't be solved befor we see a lynch, 2nd one is up to me. What we're going to do? If the guy flips red we're going to lynch the next guy on the list of whoever suggested macpo first-ish. If he flips green we're going to trust someone else and look exactly at who voted macpo and when. You think I'm trying to get out of responsibility? I don't think I can get out of responsibility at this point in time and noone will think I am out of responsibilty if (and only if) sandroba flips green, which won't happen. However, that's not going to be a problem for me. Noone cares about responsibility so far except for when it fits what they want to believe Why do you want to lynch me if this guy flips green? I'm not even sure he's a red yet (I take it that sounds scummy to you and you don't think about what it could be else?), I even said so earlier and at this point I don't care at all because I simply failed to get you on my side so I might as well join the side I think is most likely green for me. Now that you speak about responsibilty. What happens with wbg? I am a fairly new guy, yet I was able to tell him that his case on palmar is wrong because what palmar did fit his meta as well, just look at the game wbg co-hosted. WBG pushed a townie-lynch and you don't care about it. Yet you tell me that you want to lynch me because of some flip that has NOTHING to do with me and still has to come? If I REALLY am a mafia willing to bus someone so easily or just get on a bandwagon I'm not dangerous at all, because I'd be trying to evade a lynch by exactly doing what town wants me to do. So far wbg was wrong twice and both times a newby like me was able to see that comming before it even happened. He's wrong with me too, but you'll see that soon enough, especially if you really want to lynch me. EBWOP: sry my bad. WBG was wrong once, not twice. He's wrong with his analysis on me, that's the 2nd thing I was referring to but you obviously can't see that. My bad | ||
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On January 18 2012 01:05 jaj22 wrote: @Toad: You know this isn't a majority lynch, right? I don't see any town reason to vote for someone you think is town this early. I never said he is town. I'm leaning red on him, however I am sure sandroba is red. That's why I'd prefere a sandroba lynch but that's not going to happen. The point of switching is that it's going to give us less chaos. I want someone I think is at least a little scummy to be lynched and I don't want more people to interfere with it. I was interfering with it because I think sandroba is the better lynch and noone has given me a single reason why my case is bad or wrong except for "the case is retarded" / "sandroba is a bad lynch". Nothing so far. That's why i kept pushing for it because noone gave me a reason to stop with it. Now I've got a reason to stop because he's not going to be lynched with so many people on someone else. It's pretty much the same as mayor candidates. If you don't get enough votes on someone near deadline you should consider voting someone else and stop running for mayor. I'm doing the same because at this point in time I am interferring with what most people think. That's not helping tow. | ||
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I still think he's either a vet/VT trying to be shot or a red :p | ||
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On January 18 2012 02:20 jaj22 wrote: Given the low vote count on the three main candidates (32 votes, 10 scum), it looks implausible that a mafia didn't get elected unless they really weren't trying. It's quite possible that mafia even spread their votes between (scum) BM and (town) BC on the basis that BC was going to lynch Protactinium or Palmar. I'm going to say if sandroba really flips green (which I don't believe will happen) we fucked up big time because we've got 2 mafias in office. If sandroba is red I'm willing to believe BM is green and BC is red. If sandroba is green I'm willing to believe BM is red. But that's not telling us shit about BC at all. Could be mafia or green, | ||
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On January 18 2012 02:30 Jayjay54 wrote: so you actually consider the logs to be faked? that's a metric fuck ton of work, you don't just "chat", you actually have to put a lot of effort in faking it that well. kind of. I don' think they're faked but the timestamp might be. Remember I asked him early on to show his logs and he refused to do so and only posted them once the night started. But yeah you're right that's pretty unlikely | ||
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On January 18 2012 02:42 Jayjay54 wrote: To me, the other extreme BC and sandro being green is bullshit as well, because all those plays were not really townfavoured to be developed by two townies => one of them is scum. BM is a different story. Jitsu masoned with him. Jitsu? You in here? what's your take on BM after talking to him for like 30 hours. That's what giving me problems. I thought d1 we either got 1 or maybe even 2 mafias out of the circle bum+sandroba+bc. I found it unlikely that it's both bc and sandroba at the same time and since sandroba is scum it's either only sandroba or sandroba + bum for me on d1. However BM is giving me a red read today and I was on green about BM earlier. I can't judge BC right now without a sandroba lynch and I'd much rather not lynch into an office without having a proper case. So that's in a nutshell what I'm having problems with today. I still think sandroba is mafia but I don't like the people that joined me at all. VE is still a fakeclaimer for me (I explained that earlier on and EVERYONE ignored it, at that point in time I figured because it's best for town to ignore it to get some wifom for mafia), he voted sandroba early on as well. BM as mentioned gives me heavy mafia vibes right now and joined sandroba as well. Bum hasn't posted a lot and everyone in this thread says the case on sandroba is retarded without telling me why although I keep asking. | ||
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I don't think we should be lynching into a wonderbox of new players who are able to screw up as town big time but there's no point in trying to get another lynch now. | ||
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On January 18 2012 03:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Toad, you mention like every other post that you think I'm a fake-claimer. You DON'T say however whether you think I'm mafia. If you think I'm mafia, man up and either point a finger or place a vote. If you don't, SHUT UP ABOUT MY CLAIM PLEASE! GAH! I thought what I'm doing is considered pointing a finger hereby I am officially announcing that I am pointing a finger at you. I will however not vote you because noone will lynch you today and that would be a wasted vote. I'd actually like to keep talking about this because it's only a fos. I'm still not sure if you tried to get shot (which failed) or a mafia yet. | ||
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On January 18 2012 04:19 Jayjay54 wrote: 17 votes on macpo. the second best candidate has 2. This is ridiculous. I don't know why people want to lynch someone who going to be modkilled but apparently the crow wants to lynch him | ||
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On January 18 2012 04:31 Jayjay54 wrote: cheese, toad: set a good example and unvote! maybe we can unite on someone to actually create a scecond lynch candidate? what are your thoughts? you know damn well that I want to lynch sandroba but you know as well that noone is trusting me because I am willing to lynch a vet who is easily scum this game because of what he posted instead of lynching a bunch of noobs who are on the edge of being modkilled while noone really knows what their meta is. Afterall they're new to the game and I've seen plenty of bullshit coming from town-noobs as well. I just don't think that we can get something else going right now. Checking vote-thread right now :p | ||
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On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote: Now I remember why I hate large games... Holy shit this town has no direction. Must kill: Bill Murray - probably, since he's in an office I'd say he's "should probably kill" instead Lanaia - that's bullshit imo Toadesstern that IS bullshit Meapak agree Scamp same as GGQ and Macpo imo Bumatlarge agree Should probably kill: Jackal disagree Sandro this guy needs to be in must kill L same as sandro Protactinium same as sandro Bill Murray should die today. The case on macpo is weak to me but he's receiving a ton of suspicion so he might as well flip so we don't waste more time on him. Once these players are dead there's probably half the mafia team hiding among noob lurkers. Judging on how much we think differently I'd say you're a probably kill as well. You're just wrong way too often | ||
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On January 18 2012 05:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Wait, I feel like I just put two and two together. Maybe I should listen more. Here's a train of thought; BM calls Lanaia is scum. BM protects Lanaia to 'reduce mafia KP', even though it didn't, nor could it have. So what did it achieve? It saved her from kp. There were plenty of options, why Lanaia specifically? Why does BM want to protect someone he has a scum read on? I see scum buddies or blue hunting as possible reasons. If he really wanted to protect a scumbuddy don't you think he would have protected a vet for safety issues or Cyri because he was so heavy under fire? But yeah locking up lanaia does not make sense (from town perspective) unless he was activly trying to counter lock. Like locking up the medic, RB or JOAT of mafia. But that's so incredible hard to do that I don't believe he was doing that. I can't think of another reasonable thing from townperspectiv other than "he did not know that it's not lowering mafia KP because he did not read the rules". | ||
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On January 18 2012 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote: The fact that you can confidently say I'm wrong too often when I've only been provably wrong once means you need to die today. At most, you'd know that I've been wrong twice, (if you are town) which isn't "too often" unless your standards for finding scum are unreasonably high, which I don't find likely, seeing as I don't believe you've ever even found scum as town before. ##unvote Protactinium ##vote Toadesstern I only had 2 games as town. Game 1 I pm'ed you a list of 5 people d1. 2 of them were modkilled d1 the rest was mafia. Game 2 I thought ciry is either blue or red and after everyone was attacking me I went with the blue read and that was wrong My point is that you're as you've mentioned I got 2 things about you I know. You're wrong on both, I was right once (telling you I am town isn't something I count as being right myself obviously). So far not a single flip (mafia lynches) suprised me and I had everyone on a townread although it was only a slight one. So yeah. I'm having troubles believing you're worse than I am especially since I am so bad according to you | ||
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On January 18 2012 05:44 wherebugsgo wrote: [...] Also Toad that's cute but it doesn't make you any less scummy. Care to explain why you think my scumread of lanaia is bullshit? she's a null, maybe a slight town read for me. Looks to me like her "sry guys, I'm really not sure"-wishy-washy-town-meta. | ||
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On January 18 2012 05:51 wherebugsgo wrote: Which is almost precisely the same as her scum meta. Yeah, that totally gets us somewhere. When she's scum she refuses to talk about specific scum reads and lynches. This happened in XLVII and this game too. In Steamship she had some semblance of reads and wanted to kill people a couple of times, from what I remember. I'll look at the two games and see if I can confirm similarities. At any rate, since your defense is so atrocious I still have no problem killing you. Anyone have a town read on Toad? Speak soon! + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 07:13 Lanaia wrote: I have come to the conclusion I can't read Palmar worth a damn. I really hate it when I feel like that towards a person all the time. So it's probably a good idea to ignore me when it comes to Palmar, at least for now. However, I am eagerly awaiting his explanation on redff's case being terrible. QUOTE]On December 05 2011 09:04 Lanaia wrote: Radfield, right now I'm not sure. A lot of people still haven't posted yet. I'd probably lynch one of the lurkers, though. Damn, this seems to sound a lot like Toadesstern's response. On December 05 2011 12:10 Lanaia wrote: Agh, I'm not sure how to feel anymore, yet the game is young so I am okay with that. I know that I really don't like this post at all. I know other people have mentioned it, but it's really bothering me. Radfield, do you even think prplhz is scum? If so, why? If not, why are you still voting him? That's the kind of posts she does as townie. Taken from incogs game. To me it looks like the same she's done this game early on. But I never seen here scum game tbh. If it really is the same that makes her a null for me. | ||
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Let the vigs deal with those people. Macpo posted very little as well but I see that he is scummy. Still I'd say it's a job for our vigs. I'd be up for lynching sandroba and if I have to I'd be also up for BM. He might very well flip red but imo it's too risky to lynch him that early. | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:15 wherebugsgo wrote: Today, since I started school again lol. Scum Scumish Townish Meh In that order. BM is either scum or clinically insane, neither of which is surprising and both of which warrant death by lynch. Meapak is acting super funny-like and has just said some weird things overall. He seems to lack confidence and originality in his opinions, which is something strange to see in a vet player. Note my response to his last post. Foolishness has ramped up his activity today. There isn't any real good reason for me to believe he is town other than I agree with some of his reads and there exist far better targets. So for now, since I find more than 10 other people scummy, by process of elimination I have him as townish. Sandro is meh cause his comments on masons made no sense and he has still not done much, but so far I haven't found a proper reason to call him scum. I need to read his posts again. so we basicly think the same about our scumreads? I did not know that oO I would have said: scumish scumish Town Scum Why are you're town reads so off? | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright Toad I'm done with you, gonna give our lovely vigis something to shoot at tonight. Expect an analysis in 30-45 minutes. fine with me. I'll tell you where you're wrong when you post it. | ||
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Also unvoting and voting BM. | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:51 Macpo wrote: I am still a free man! and I vote Protac, because I am depressed (by the forseeable future). vote Bill murray! It's the only way to save your ass! | ||
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That's totally what I told risen last game as mafia. That's why I am asking. If town is derping themselves mafia try to stand by watching trying to not interfere. Free town chaos without getting your hands muddy and noone is going to trace it back to you because it was created by town. That leads to mafia hiding because they don't want to stop chaos. That leads to players that need to post because they still haven't voted (or something like that) and that leads to jackal telling Risen to post 5 hours before the deadline because that's still better than a post 1 hour before the deadline. But that's just my experience :p | ||
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On January 18 2012 07:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Toad I thought you were scummy because you have terribad reads, however when I go back through your filter I don't get a scum feel from your posts. You're in the same category as WBG is right now, I don't think you're scum but your reads are atrocious (I do agree with L and to a lesser extent BM however, as I've stated a million times, GGQ is much more likely to flip scum than either of them). Being bad doesn't make you scum, so while you're currently off the mark in many regards, you're not scum because of that. Oh I also looked at Sandroba (again), I still don't think he's scum. Given macpo's latest post I'm going to stick with him as the lynch (it also looks like GGQ will be modkilled). thx I gues? :p I don't think my reads are bad. That still has to be proven :p | ||
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On January 18 2012 12:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Awesome. All you idiots who tried to get sandroba or protact lynched have a lot of explaining to do. why? I still stand by everything I said: They looked scummy but since they're both lurkers / new players to me they're hard to read. Didn't you try to get GGQ lynched instead? what's the difference here? Why do you mention sandroba or protact but do not mention GGQ? | ||
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On January 18 2012 22:47 Bill Murray wrote: You know I obviously meant to say mafia don't have to use deductive reasoning I don't know who is mafia, but I have done a pretty good job and suspected 1 of the 2 people who have flipped I want to see Sandroba's alignment to determine BC's, but I'd be willing to let it go for now, since you all don't realize (like I do) that one of Protact and BC HAVE to be scum Since Macpo flipped it really looks bad on Protactinium and rgtheShworz I don't think BC is scum at this point. He was one of the people he got the GGQ vs Sandroba for lynch discussion to stop and agreed with someone else (idk, foolish?) to lynch macpo. At least that's what I recall, going to have a another look at yesterday but if I'm right that looks a lot like town BW imo. | ||
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On January 18 2012 23:38 Jayjay54 wrote: Actually I have more of a scum read on BC. Since his claim. If you read my filter, you see that. And I'm 95 % sure that either him or sandro is scum. So I agree with BM here, when he says he wants to know sandros alignment to figure out BC. This is written on phone. But I'll post my opinions on stuff more detailled when I get home in some hours. I'll post my lynch choices now though...BM (who acts insane) and ggq yeah but BC pushes don't look like mafia pushes at all. He catched scum for us. I am pretty much willing to trust him as long as he keeps on catching scum no matter what. Either he's a mafia who's trying to get towncred by catching scum (I don't have a problem with that as long as the mafias end up hanging) or he's a town catching scum and that's obviously not bad either. | ||
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On January 18 2012 23:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So you are telling me, a player who pushed for the deaths of both dead red players is obviously mafia? I am glad to know that in bm's mind those who get red killed are mafia and those who get townies killed are town. We have a winner. Now that night has started. Could you tell me who was masoned? Please before night ends, I'd like to get confirmation on that and don't want to hear "oh sry I masoned a player who got killed tonight". I trust you right. See it as a chance to even improve that. I don't want logs, I just want the name or a good explanation why you can't give me the name. Unless of course you already told us the name but I have not found a word about that yet. | ||
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On January 19 2012 01:37 jaj22 wrote: @EchelonTee: Yeah, I actually made my first post on BM's Kurumi switch. His OpZ/BC team scum read was apparently an error due to mason confusion, so I'm not sure what to read into that. OpZ's opinion on BM: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13179743 Foolishness's opinion on BM (somewhat old): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13168300 Really important post there. Should have been in my list for VaderSeven. another important thing would be a blue being modkilled in your list I guess | ||
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On January 19 2012 01:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The difference is I tried NOT to get protact/sandroba lynched AND I wasn't opposed to lynching Macpo. GGQ and Macpo are not mutually exclusive, I can support both of their lynches. Macpo and Sandroba are mutually exclusive, yesterday it was either one or the other. Since we have a double lynch we'll lynch GGQ tomorrow and then I'll have an "I told you so" moment. For the second lynch Bill is a very good candidate. Especially with his last few posts lol. where's the difference? I was not against an macpo lynch as well I just said that lynching sandroba is better imo because macpo is hard to read and so is GGQ because as mentioned, they both said so little and could be townies that are no longer interested in the game. It was GGQ or sandroba or macpo. How is pushing for sandroba a bad think because macpo flipped red and GGQ is not a bad thing? Don't get me wrong I think neither one is bad I just don't understand why it was sandroba OR macpo but not GGQ or macpo? It was something like 4 votes vs 4 votes yesterday evening (german time). | ||
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On January 19 2012 02:09 jaj22 wrote: Modkills are less important than any other kill. We're not modhunting here. Your post here concerns me because it smells of "I'm so town that I still weep for our stupid dead mason". Besides, haven't you ever caught up on a game? Unless you're just reading for fun, the first thing you read is the player roster. oh and no. I never replaced someone but yeah I guess what you say is right. | ||
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On January 19 2012 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Whatever, everyone seems to be discounting the idea that Protact is scum - why is that? Huh? He certainly makes more sense as the scum candidate than BM does, as far as I'm concerned. my problem with protact right now is that I believe BC to be town because of the most recent lynch. Since all mayor candidates where so close it should have been easy to get a mafia into office => I think BM makes no sense and because of what I just said is mafia. | ||
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On January 19 2012 03:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Well, I'd recommend we choose several candidates keeping it to 7-8 (double 3-4 because of the double lynch) and lynch two from there. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote: READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMES I am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies. 9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L. Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo. Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point. Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude. Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future. Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character. Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh. Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here. DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT! Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together. Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching. Macpo Many others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included. IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAIN Also, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow. ##Vote: double lynch I'd be happy including Toad and Schworz into this list and choosing two from it to lynch. Again the importance of what I'm saying here is lets keep it to these 8-9 and find a good reason for who we lynch. GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh, Toad, Schworz (This is already 10, but I'd like to lynch from this pile of candidates if possible) I feel like adding 1-2 to the list is fine, but I'd like to see it stay small so we can get the best reads from these people and choose correctly on who to lynch. we're having literally the same reads. Except for sandroba. I alreads said I'm agreeing with the post you quoted and yet you want to lynch me like wbg does because I think everyone you think is scummy with the one little difference that I think sandroba should be added to that list. Now explain me again why wbg and you are trying to get my lynched. | ||
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On January 19 2012 04:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This logic literally does not make sense. Protact has pushed not one but TWO scum to death. Do you really think scum would bus twice? He's way more responsible for the scum deaths than BC is. Toad you're very very wrong right now an have been for the past several days. Please reread the thread and figure out what's going on. reread what I said in that post. I said "the problem I have with protact" (that is VE's opinion on protact). I said that scum probably got a mafia into office and I think that guy was BM and NOT protact/BC.I posted "I think protac is town" and you're telling me "no toad, protac is town, what you said makes no sense". I guess you misinterpreted what I said because of that "the problem I have with protact" and figured I'm talking about why he is mafia, which is not the case ( which is not the case = I did not mean to say so). Gosh I really have to type out everything right? | ||
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I said mattchew is town, I said palmar is town, I said cyri is mafia, I said macpo is probably mafia but I'd like to lynch someone else first to get a better read on him because he posted so little, I said kita& wiggles are probably town when I talked about their campaigns, I said foolish is probably town and I'm agreeing with pretty much everyone on that mafia list. How can you say I've been wrong so much. The only thing I could be wrong about could be Sandroba and he hasn't flipped yet. So PLEASE stop telling me I'm wrong so much if everyone that flipped showed I was right with what I say and the one person we've got different opions hasn't even flipped. | ||
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On January 19 2012 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote: what I think is funny is that you are getting smacked left and right and are also on peoples list for that sandro bullshit, while I do basically the same thing and end up on no list... we pretty much agreed on most and even the unpopular stuff, you were just leaning towards sandro scum and I BC scum. why is no one casing me. I find that hard to understand. seriously, people are trying to fuck you man tell me about it. If the rules would not tell me to not get myself lynched I'd totally tell everyone to lynch me and if I flip town to just wbg for revenge and shitting on me although there is literally nothing except the one read that differs: Sandroba (oh and palmar, were I (<----) was right) | ||
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On January 19 2012 04:57 Cyber_Cheese wrote: No no, I don't mean you, I mean the people attacking Toad that's what I'm talking about for 2 days pretty much. Noone gets attacked but me. I am pushing sandroba, there's other people pushing someone else but they don't get attacked. I am literally only pushing sandro everything else is exactly the same yet I'm being stoned in here. That is one of the reasons I'm sticking with sandroba :p | ||
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On January 19 2012 05:46 jaj22 wrote: That's not really true. The big swings have been against BM and L. Maybe they're just pissed that your logic is so bad that you're unreadable despite a 10-page filter Meh. If I'm still alive tomorrow I promise to get off my arse and deconstruct your case on Sandroba properly. Maybe I'll do jayjay's Sandro/BC case at the same time. For what it's worth you're not in my top 8. I definitely want Jackal in there though. Way too many one-line posts, which fits this game's scum ethos of being completely useless. The point here is that I've made several posts, people are saying (the sandroba post) is retarded. I am asking why and there's no answers | ||
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On January 19 2012 06:12 Jayjay54 wrote: I think we'll have enough trouble pushing BM + X through properly. I don't want to reopen the sandro + bc case again right now tbh. I don't want to have 20 lynch candidates. And by opening that case not only will sandro but also you be one... toad as long as you have just few votes on you, you're fine. Redo the case when people want to see your head. fine. Got a .txt that's called "Toads case v2". So if people want to lynch me I'm going to post it :p | ||
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yeah I already thought of that when CC was talking about chainsaw defence. talking about chainsaw defence is chainsaw defense itself :p | ||
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On January 19 2012 08:58 risk.nuke wrote: So toad what do you think of the plan, It kind of looks like it will be ignored untill the night is over which is a shame. Because everyone who is hee lurking should either yay or ney it. And discuss with murray which two people to wifom incarnate assuming he shows up. like Jackal already said, at this point in time I'd like to not have BM involved in your plan. However the rest (= playing normal) is just fine. Let the medics deal with that themselves. The funny thing actually is, that BCs "list" isn't that bad. Now that a couple of people showed up telling him it's bad to do such things we've got massive wifom. Clearly there will be medics reading this and maybe they'll end up thinking "hey if it's bad because mafia will NOT shoot X+Y I'll just not protect X+Y myself". Could be anything right now. @VE: If you look at what it says yes, if you look at what it means no. Telling someone he might chainsaw-defend is a little fos itself because no townie should do such a thing, so in reality it is a little "yeah look at that, he might chainsaw-defend (=mafia tell)" although he did not explicitly say so :p | ||
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On January 19 2012 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Toad, I'm trying to wrap my brain around what you mean - are you saying C_C was chainsaw defending and is therefor scum? Or are you agreeing with him that people who are attacking you for attacking Sandro are scum? What are you implying here? Passive sentences are a breeding-ground of confusion... nothing really. I thought it's funny because you could interpret it that way that CC himself is scum which obviously is bullshit because that would mean mentioning chainsaw-defence itself is scummy. It was just something I saw and thought it's funny I'm not saying CC is scum nor wbg. I think wbg is an overconfident townie atm. Could change if he really wants to get my lynched. | ||
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On January 19 2012 10:12 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah, I want you lynched. I also want BM lynched. So, first thing tomorrow = you and BM get my vote. you still haven't given a single reason why you want me to be lynched. | ||
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Again, apparently nobody understoof what I was talking about in that post because it was a big clusterfuck. A lot of people said it's bad for X while X never was a topic in my case so I've took a look at it and think it's more clear about what I'm talking, enjoy: + Show Spoiler + Toad's case on Sandroba v.2 Some improvements (getting more into detail what I am talking about + a nice conclusion) however I have nothing included that was not in version 1. This is because I think people got me wrong and I am focusing on trying to get this better for now. I don't think you'll lynch sandroba with everyone attacking me right now so there's no need to include new things, just to make things a little more clear. Also, there's basicly 4 possible ways to prove someone is scum: 1) You prove he's a bad townie. That's the one thing you can, if at all, only use against vets. Proving someone is a bad townie is the weakest proof possible and it can be wrong. 2) You prove he can't be a townie. That's what people are trying to do with BM. Saving Lanaia is something no townie would do imo. That's what I'm trying here. I will try to show that he can't be a townie because he is dodgy on purpose. 3) You prove he is mafia. That's obviously the strongest proof possible but it's very rare. That's what I'd call scumslips. That won't happen a lot. 4) Metaanalysis. If you know the style of player A differs wether he plays mafia or town. Again. I'm aiming for a combination of 1) and 2) I'll just quote something sandroba said, it's going to be big: On January 17 2012 01:58 sandroba wrote: Alright gotta go with GGQ. He is doing his usual scum meta which is popping in from time to time with short messages that don't explain shit. Not only that but most of them is actively spread doubt without trying to gather any support from others on his "beliefs". This is something that makes absolutely no sense from a town player to do, but fits mafia behavior quite nicely. Mafia wants to be ignored while putting in seeds of doubt in peoples head that are hard to trace back to the original source. And that's GGQ's play. He is mafia. ##Vote: GGQ EVERYONE, do me a favor: Replace GGQ in his post with "sandroba" and look into sandrobas filter. He is doing the exact same thing. In fact the post I quoted is the only one that really explains something. If you're a clever townie you don't believe a word I say, because I'm doing the same thing he accuses GGQ to do and I am accusing him to do. I'm only posting some thoughts, maybe a little explanation but that could very well be bullshit. Now let's look into some posts he did to back up what I just said: This is important. It's the very essence of what I am talking about. It is not about sandroba trolling, it is not about the lack of contribution early on it is about the fact that he is using several things to dodge discussion, not explain his thoughts at all. Just what he blames GGQ to do! So basicly everything I'm quoting beneath this line has something to do with sandrobas post I quoted above! Here we go: On January 13 2012 17:11 sandroba wrote: Hi everybody, I'll be running for mayor and I need your support. The whole basis of my campaign is being town and pretty decent at figuring out scum. Myself holding day1 lynch and 3 votes everyday is a pretty good deal on average I'd say so. Also it's ridiculously easy to figure out my alignment not only because I suck as scum, but also because I hate it and usually can't keep up with the thread after a few days. So yeah, you don't have to worry about that because I'm thankfully town this game. Another benefit to electing me is that I usually get shot pretty early on (normally day2 the latest), and I can tell you that keeping me alive will improve town's chances by a lot. Let me say that there is no fucking reason to not elect a trustworthy established sumhunter in favor of electing a new player whose millage may vary. The main goal of the mayor role is to get someone who can reliably get scum lynched and be a threat to mafia. Putting in a random dude has no benefit to town and can even be detrimental if the dude has his head stuck up his ass. So town gather up and give me your support, because mafia isn't going to let me get this position easily. It makes them feel unsafe and fearful. They are right. I'm coming for them. [b]-tagged what is most funny / important imo."You don't have to worry about this because I'm thankfully town". He's trying to be funny, nothing bad but he does that A LOT and everytime he does that he's lacking an explanation. We can argue about how useful mayor campaigns are because like a lot of people already said they're pretty much the same and you it's hard to prove you're town in your very first post. Still I quoted it for completeness and examples. Also, he hasn't scumhunted, has he? But that's just a sign of a bad townie. On January 14 2012 04:26 sandroba wrote: Okay let me address somethings I liked in this thread: 1) Proactinum post is the best one so far. Fuck yes I like it. Cyriandor is my top candidate for lynch if I get elected. 2) Jackal's idea is very good. If I'm elected I'll lynch 1 or 0 bg. 3) I'm seriously considering supporting a mason mass claim day1. Mafia will have to claim it early if they ever want to use it and it gives us good basis for discussion. These big games fall rapidly out of control if we don't keep focus and this will give us something to go by. 1) is what I call troll-Sandroba. Not explaining at all. using the term "fuck yes I like it" and not dropping anything that makes it possible to analyse it. He tells us cyri is his top candidate (which is he know to do so as mafia as well, look up XLVIII for reference) 2) is not bad at all, no troll but no explanation again, however I don't need to see an explanation in such a statement. 3) nothing bad but take a look at his mass-caps post about that later on On January 14 2012 05:34 sandroba wrote: Alright peeps here are the advantages of mass claim masons: 1) It forces mafia to come under a lot of scrutiny if they want to use the mason power. The plan is to watch these people closely and get a lot of the info out in the open, instead of allowing masons to operate in the shadows. 2) If mafia doesn't want the spot light they will probably not claim nor use their mason powers, which is very good for town. For this same reason we must not go on a witch hunt on the claimed masons, because they can be of any alignment and may be all town as well. We shall lynch people because of suspicious behavior, not because of trying to find mafia withing the masons. 3) There is not much of a downside to it. If mafia wants to waste their roleblock/kill on mason by all means be my guest. It further protects our really important blue roles which is great. If they choose to ignore them we are back in the same place we we're before with extra info as town that mafia opted not to use. Which is great. here we go. Finally something he explains, however, as many people already pointed out that's incredible easy for mafia. I think BC or someone else told us that this is a common topic and there's talk about this even outside games because it's controversial. No problem to share thoughts on that one as a mafia. Again, quoted for completeness. It's a good post but on a topic mafias have no problems to do make goods posts about. On January 14 2012 05:48 sandroba wrote: MASONS. FUCKING MASS CLAIM. RIGHT NOW. THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE. Another post of what I call Troll-Sandroba. Mass caps to make it even more ridiculous. Not explaining a thing and I guess he's using mass caps to make people laugh so that I ignore the fact that he's not explaining shit at all. Also this reminds me of his other mass caps post from last game. Again, he was mafia that game and tried to confuse people with his trolls. On January 14 2012 15:38 sandroba wrote: OkaY. We will not fucking lynch anyone important today. Period. We will lynch a baddie and if he flips town what the fuck ever. Town vets are going to get slaughtered/medic'ed soon and we will be able to make a much more informed decisionon their alignment. I'm going to still lynch ciryandor cuz he is ugly and smells bad. No one is going to lynch palmar/bc/whoever has a name because these guys are going to die or be scum which will make our lives easier. Trust me on this one and fucking vote for me. I'll rape bitches left and right and in the end we will make a party celebrating peace and love. Yes I'm fucking drunk but I'm still the man to get the job done. Peace. He is contradicting himself a lot. I'll quote again "OkaY. We will not fucking lynch anyone important today. Period." and goes on to suggest that lynching palmar is a good thing. I talked about this with him. He told me that he thought 5 our of 5 lynchoptions bc suggested are complete bullshit and only after one specific post palmar did thought that 4 out of 5 lynchoptions bc suggested are complete bullshit and palmar is okayish. It's another topic but why did he do that? I'd simply vote someone else into office. I wouldn't trust someone that gives me 4 lynchoptions I have a townread on to be town at all. He is contradicting himself and again gives no explanation but " Trust me on this one and fucking vote for me. I'll rape bitches left and right and in the end we will make a party celebrating peace and love. Yes I'm fucking drunk but I'm still the man to get the job done. Peace." which is again, pretty trollish to (imo) make people laugh instead of think about what he's leaving out. On January 14 2012 15:40 sandroba wrote: @palmar fuck you start playing properly already nothing really. People already called him out multiple times to start playing serious and he does the same. Easy to do for mafia. Not saying that it makes him look mafia but it's not something that makes him look green. It's just a null. Again quoted for completness. On January 14 2012 15:49 sandroba wrote: Nah you don't interest me. Plus I wish I could. Maybe I can. Who the fuck knows. same as above. Quoted for completeness (i seriously have to copy and past that word every time because I don't know how it's written ) On January 14 2012 16:26 sandroba wrote: Alright people I want to get elected and no one is fucking voting for me. What do you want me to do so you would fucking vote? Tell me and I'll do it. I have plenty of time right now and I can post random useless shit if that's what get's you voting. Another troll of sandroba. Nothing important. Posting something that is literally nothing and gets away with it. On January 14 2012 16:34 sandroba wrote: I think I talked about this already. He's ugly and smells bad. Also protact's case was the best thing to land on this thread so far. Also I might lynch a bg instead. Who knows. Another troll. He's asked about his reasons, yet he REFUSES to talk about them. Why? Give me a single reason Town-sandroba would do that? On January 14 2012 16:46 sandroba wrote: I was walking down the street one day and I suddenly a foul scent hit my nose. I was like what the shit, where the fuck is this coming from? Did I just step on human fesses or what? After checking my feet and realizing it was clean I looked around and spotted a horrid looking creature that dropped 2 terrible posts in the begging of a game then was never heard of again. It was ciryandor. Protact had warned me about his unpleasant presence. Right then I decided I would rid the world of such disturbing annoyance and thus I hit him repeatedly over the head with my grandma's shoes. He finally succumbed, bored into oblivion. I felt victorious after checking my grandma's shoes and realizing a crimson taint had soaked them. Life was good. Being mayor made me proud. The whole idea of being elected to kill some random dude and being able to single handedly execute it was exciting. I stretched out my arm and an eagle landed on it. Fuck yes I'm a boss. After trolling himself CC is answering with irony to get him talking. Still nothing sandroba is doing. Sure he was literally asked this time to troll but you could have catched the drift to just start explaining his thoughts. On January 15 2012 05:54 sandroba wrote: K people I have a problem that I don't have anyone I can vote on because I don't like any of the lynch candidates. I'd vote protact if he changed back to ciryandor or BC if he change off of protactinum. I need to go out in about 30 min and won't be here for the lynch so unless fw can let me delay the lynch for like 6 hours I can't be mayor. Make sure I get sheriff though. Fuck i need to decide fast. nothing at all. No explanation and again saying mayor candidates look bad is easy to do for mafia. Same as above, not scummy but not townish as well On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote: Palmar you need to try harder, you are too easy to spot as scum nowadays. I'd rather not lynch any vets day1 but you make it so hard not to lynch you. Please go die in a corner. I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler I already said something about this one: "we're not going to lynch a vet. Period." => "yeah let's lynch palmar". It seems like he uses his "we're not going to lynch vets" - argument how it pleases him depending on wether it's good for him or not because clearly this is not making sense at all On January 15 2012 14:10 sandroba wrote: Yo I'm back. I didn't even know there was a separate voting thread, so i voted here. My bad, won't happen again. Thanks for not modkilling me =) He can't keep up with the thread / doesn't even know the rules. Isn't that something that, according to his own words, tell us he's scum? I'll just quote what I'm talking about from his mayoral campaign On January 13 2012 17:11 sandroba wrote: Also it's ridiculously easy to figure out my alignment not only because I suck as scum, but also because I hate it and usually can't keep up with the thread after a few days. [...] On January 17 2012 02:28 sandroba wrote: What in the fuck is that post jayjay? That whole wall post doesn't say shit and your conclusion is even more baffling to me. Nice try scum, but you need to make a bit more sense if you want to look good. Huge walls of nothing ain't gonna cut it. calling out a new guy. I don't mind him callimg jayjay out at all. But "nice try scum" is just bullshit after jj's post imo. Supersoft called me out last game for doing shit like that and he was right as well. Scum need to get some reason to call people out. Vet's won't call new players mafia after one post that sucks because they know new players do stupid things from time to time. This looks like sandroba desperatly trying to get some +points because again I can see him calling JJ out as a town player. I hower can NOT see him calling him mafia just because of one little post. On January 17 2012 03:00 sandroba wrote: Well if I could be sure vigis would shoot this dude sure. But lurking or not I'm pretty sure he is scum because of the way he is operating and lynching scum, lurker or not, generates a lot of good info. wat? circular reasoning. On January 17 2012 03:28 sandroba wrote: I'm not quite sure on him because jackal is freaking jackal, but last time he was town i could tell right away and he did put in some effort and got killed early on. He just seems lazy and jumping on convenient stuff and he is back to his usual useless one line posting which he used to do as both alignments. He's either made a step back or he is scum this game, I need more to decide accurately, but I'm leaning scum on him atm. I'm going to be honest here: I disagree with him but it is at least an explanation. The only one he did on topics that are not easily discussible for mafias. On January 17 2012 03:31 sandroba wrote: One thing that tipped me off is him comparing my play to the game we played together as scum, which he should be able to do better and realize that's not the same. Easy thing to do. Not providing examples. Just saying something. big fancy conclusion: Sandroba is not only lacking explanation in everything he said, he also activly refuses to give reasons to why he thinks the way he does. Imo he is using humour / troll-posts to distract from the fact that he is not giving a shit at all and everytime he did some fancy "fuck this, this is awesome" post or whatever else he could have easily just typed 1 or 2 lines to explain why he thinks the way he does. Furthermore, as already pointed out, he refuses do talk about is thoughts even when directly asked and dodges topics that are not easy to discuss as mafia. I don't see him doing that as a townie. So would finally someone tell me why it is retarded and I'm not taking "because it's retarded" or "Toad, that's retarded" for an answer. Just tell me why and I'll happy. | ||
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However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say. The only ones I like right now are people you are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p | ||
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On January 19 2012 10:56 Toadesstern wrote: I'd actually be willing to lynch BM + GGQ tomorrow. I still think my case is good but I don't like the arguments of the people joining me :p However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say. The only ones I like right now are people who are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p EBWOP: it's every time the same when I try posting at 3am... corrections withing my quote | ||
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On January 19 2012 11:34 wherebugsgo wrote: Toad is on there for being super annoying and disruptive, while constantly using faces and in general having no balls or valuable opinions. #1 You're telling me I'm on that list for being disruptive. I'd atually say you're the one being disruptive trying to lynch me for days WITHOUT a thing you said about me. That's the very first thing you said about me #2 #3 yeah I'm not having balls. Are you referring to the fact that I gave up on my sandroba read ? ... oh wait #4 I'm having EXACTLY the same reas/thoughts about scummy players you have and am agreeing with pretty much everyone on that list we had earlier, except for palmar and Sandroba. Everyone you think is scummy is on my scummy list is as well. So you're telling me the fact that I thought Palmar ist TOWN, while you thought he is mafia and the fact that I think Sandroba is mafia while you think he is Town is enough reason to lynch me. Because that's what it comes down to. So if you don't try again with a little more effort I'm going to ignore you from now on because you're just wrong all the time and talking bullshit + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote: GGQ is cool. Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia. Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches. Nobody lynch him today, keke? Here's the new list of mafias. L kingjames BM Toadesstern SANDROBA Jackal bumatlarge opz chaosquo Now this list is too big for them to all be mafia, but is the best place to start. Brief explanations on the new people on the list: BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game. Toadesstern Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here? Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch. Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol. bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play. And now I'm out of time. Need to post this before I potentially bite the dust. wtf are you thinking about me. My case = My case about sandroba. I never had a case about GGQ (as you pointed out). I've got a post a couple of pages back that is called something like "Toads case V2" or something like that... you keep misunderstanding me. Also I already explained why your "Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes" is wrong and can't even in any possible case, no matter how ridiculous be true, you're still going with that. Just drop it, and think for a moment. I am the guy who wants to lynch sandroba... | ||
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On January 19 2012 12:03 jcarlsoniv wrote: Adam4167 the Vigilante has been killed. Maxella and rtgICEMAN the Townies have been modkilled. Just to get this straight: I said I think adam looks townie. I think some people (wbg?) said he looks to be mafia. Boom next time I was right. | ||
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But since there's only 2 kills I guess it was mafia? | ||
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On January 19 2012 12:16 Protactinium wrote: Sorry, but sandroba flipping red doesn't help you at all, given your hilarious slipup yesterday (you certainly do remember, right?). You clearly saw my post, and yet conveniently ignore that GGQ is town. We are just going to lynch down my list today. ##Vote BM ##Vote kingjames I just told you I'm a VET and I was shot tonight. Just believe me god damn it. I did not make a slip. READ that part again PLEASE. Look for a post where I was like "sry guys it's 3 am in the morning and I'm going to bed now" I think the important part is one above that. I'm going to look for it myself and quote it. It explains exactly why it can't be a slip no matter how strange you believe it to be. Nah I only looked for the red part (flashy flashy), asnwered, opened my pm and still haven't read the past about GGQ in your post (or anyone else but me). I'm going to do that right after I found the post I'm looking up for you right now. | ||
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On January 17 2012 13:07 Toadesstern wrote: idk VE, to me it looked like he's talking about probabilites but seems like noone's trusting me today so you probably don't want me to talk about it. But yeah I don't know what to think about BM as well right now I don't like sheriffing lanaia at all. It's just a lot that sounds weird to some people (like what you mentioned). Don't know if that's a coincidence. However I still can't forget what Protactiniumt asked me earlier:+ Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 09:38 Protactinium wrote: Nice try, but no. Look at the timing of these posts. You claim that sandroba made BC lynch Palmar 5 hours before before BC posted his chat logs. I don't believe that you are clairvoyant. The only information that you should have had access to was the post you quoted from the thread. But I seriously doubt that as a townie you would be bold enough to claim that Sandroba forced BC to lynch Palmar, when his in thread post is quite ambiguous. ESPECIALLY when wherebugsgo was THE #1 vocal proponent of lynching Palmar. If you were a townie, I highly doubt that you would ignore wherebugsgo's BLATANT support for the Palmar lynch and instead attempt to pin it on sandroba. Your story does not match up. You posess information that you should not have had at the time and are trying to hide it. There is still no possibility for this OMGUS to be true. 1) He states that he does not believe that I am able to read what I said out of what Sandroba posted (important!) 2) He says he does not think I am bussing my mafia buddy 3) !!!Assumption of my own!!!: I don't think that he thinks BC is mafia How in the world am I supposed to get that information I should not possess? Because you think that makes me look strange. If I am a mafia and asked my mafia buddy to give me the logs (eitehr BC or Sandroba) this makes sense, because I could read the logs and therefor know what's inside the logs. However he said that's bullshit and said I'm bullshitting a townie into death. So impossible according to him. Furthermore he tells me that I'm not having that good intuition to read that out of sandroba. Guess what when I am mafia and sandroba is town (because you don't think I'm bussing him) he's not going to give me his logs. Asking would be against the rules in the first place unless I'm another mason (sandroba do me a favor and tell him I did not mason or somehow contact you outside this game, BC the same) Yeah I know you did not want to talk about it and maybe I know why but please, give me just one single plausible solution to this problem: How did I get that information I am not supposed to possess if you don't think I have the same alignment as sandroba. Did I ask Santa to give me the logs? If my logic is flawed somewhere tell me but I don't think what you're telling me is possible, AT ALL. Now reading your post. | ||
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On January 19 2012 12:19 wherebugsgo wrote: I agree 100% with Protact's list. Also Toad apparently makes a living off of pointing out how many times I'm wrong. It's cute. yeah I guess. let's summarize my thoughts (only those who flipped): I thought Palmar is green (you did not), I thought Wiggles+kita are green when I said i like their campaigns, I said Cyri is red, I said Mattchew ist green (duh... I was wrong there), I said Sheth is a townie, I said I like Adam somewhere and I said L probably is mafia. Yeah I totally get your point from your last post about me: My opinion really has no value what so ever and you probably should lynch me | ||
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On January 19 2012 12:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Something doesn't feel right. BM didn't incarcerate L. Toad got shot. I got shot. Bill needs to get in here and tell us who he incarcerated. I'm totally not ruling out the possibility that a vig tried to shoot Toad, but that means that there are only 3 Mafia KP...which means that Bill incarcerated scum last night. I don't know...something smells fishy. I actually got the same feeling. Sheth said yesterday he thinks I'm mafia and he flipped [blue]vigi{/blue]. Could be his shot but idk. If there's noone else claiming a shot it was mafia. What about asking vigis to claim a shot if someone shot me? Let's assume for a second we have another vigi that is not dead. If he would claim he shot me would that cause any harm? Worst case would be giving a mafia towncred because he can just claim he vig'ed me because he knows there was no vig. Something I'm missing? | ||
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On January 19 2012 12:55 flamewheel wrote: Reading comprehension. man that's so complicated. Who's supposed to know THAT. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:16 p4NDemik wrote: I want town to remember this page when supersoft flips scum. Remember the names of these fools who are mindlessly spamming. that's what I keep telling myself ALL THE TIME when someone talks about how sandroba is a green. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:18 VisceraEyes wrote: :eyeroll: Yeah, because if I were scum, I'd be SO concerned about protecting supersoft from the analysis of someone who went AWAL for a whole cycle. I'll remember this page all right - I'll remember it as the very first time I became suspicious of p4NDemik. didn't you just say you wanted to stop with that wbg-style? You don't really have the same attitude. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:20 p4NDemik wrote: Can someone please speak to the actual content of my accusation? You guys are acting like children on the playground. the problem I have with it is that we already have a bunch of people we're able happy to lynch today. I don't think we need more but yeah I am suspicious of supersoft for couple of reasons as well but I'm not sure about it + everyone else stomped on me the last time I posted a case. | ||
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The lynches we're attempting are kind of risky. I am on BM and KJ. If BM turns out green we lynched an office and there's enough people saying there's one mafia within BC/BM and I'd agree with that. If kingjames flips green we got a bunch of players who accused him and actually KJ just dir a case himself. For me the lynches we get tonight are a turning point to see which "side" is right I don't know if I'll be able to make 2 decisions tomorrow. Of course if both flip red that's going to be easy, but if both flip red we surly can take a single-lynch to go on as well because we'd already be in a huge lead. If it's only 1 or 0 reds I don't know if another doublelynch is the way to go. Imo doublelynch is a low-medium risk with 0 gain if it turns out to be the right move and little to medium drawback. I don't think I want that right now | ||
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I don't want to see logs, I want to confirm the masons. No harm in telling us the names is there? BC already told us but I forgot that and have to look it up again... | ||
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On January 20 2012 02:02 jaj22 wrote: I'm having doubts about BM too. Maybe OpZ is right and he's just a bad player posting whatever random junk comes into his head. Jitsu: What do you think? Any chance of a mason log? Also I don't like anything in Protact's latest scumread post, which is scaring the shit out of me. I somehow got the same feeling. I think he is right with what he said so far and with most stuff within that post to some degree but I'm scared he might try to buddy me because he knows (?) sandroba won't flip rid. Of course that won't happen because Sandroba will flip red ( :p ) but that's giving me some thoughts right now. Also consider how suspicious I was to him yesterday. Look at what he posted about me and Sandroba. In his paragraph about me he states that he thinks "my case" has something to do with GGQ, yet when he talks about sandroba he says "my case" somehow makes sense given what I said about sandroba influencing BC and he seems to perfectly know that "my case" is the one about sandroba at that point in time. That could totally be a misunderstanding because I can see him thinking I was talking about 2 different cases and therefore thought there got to be another one. Furthermore he says Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch. and follows up by saying (in sandrobas part) The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. How is that adding up? He basicly says the fact that I somehow know something I am not supposed to know (which is wrong) makes me look mafia and later on he says the fact that I know that stuff makes sandroba look scumm? Wat? I just don't see how what he says adds up. I am the guy pushing sandroba for AGES and he says the two of us are both mafia? Later on he goes on to say I'm clear and am a townie but still I think it's weird. I'm not saying protact is mafia at all, so far he was right a lot but I am a little scared about his most recent scum-list-post and it makes me thinking. That's again why I'd like to not get a double lynch next cycle. I'd like to see the flips (whoever is going to be lynched) and think about it. | ||
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On January 20 2012 02:37 kingjames01 wrote: Finally, Toadesstern, I have been suspicious of you for a large portion of this game. I pegged you correctly early in TL Mafia XLVIII because of the things you say and do. wat? I'm cooking right now and I'm only checking tl when I got some time. Is that something good or something bad about me? | ||
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On January 20 2012 02:45 kingjames01 wrote: Ah, I actually incorporated what I wanted to say to you directly into the next part. Don't accept lynching me for 'information'. That won't do anything. I will flip and then everyone will argue about what it means and then the next bad lynch will be against Protactinium or Foolishness. Just heed my words and look through my posts. Do some analysis. If you ACTUALLY find something suspicious, then come back and report it. But I want to lynch for information so badly I'm not even talking about you, it's still about Sandroba. I'm either spot on and people are not trusting me for a reason (= safe sandroba/chainsaw-defence) or I am the town moron this game who's all like "herpaderp, Annul dayvigged a townie, therefore he has to be a townie himself, herpaderp!". I'm dying inside and want to know what's going on. So far my 3 choices are either you (because I kind of trust protact or want to know if I can trust him), BM and Sandroba (because I trust myself and want to know what's going on). Needless to say that Sandroba is the only one I'm having an easy time to put my vote on. You got some drawbacks and BM might end up being town (just like you) but he's our sheriff. That'd be pretty bad. But yeah I'll read your filter and tell you tomorrow what I think about it (19:00 in ger, leaving in 1hour). Voting you because I trust or wan to trust protact isn't exactly a good reason to vote someone so I'll have to check that. | ||
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Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia. Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches. Nobody lynch him today, keke? The mayor point here is that protact says "no mafia would do such a thing". Here's the point: Townies won't do such a thing as well. The post we're talking about has NOTHING in it to determine his alignment. Yes Mafia won't ask to be vigged, neither will townies. It's bad for both. The only thing of interest should be portacts first line. As mentioned I only have 15mins left and I can't look in his filter right now. Of someone pointed out GGQ is defending macpo before GGQ made that post that line is useless as well. fancy conclusion: This is not a alignment-tell. It is, if at all a nooby-tell. The question should be: Is he really a town-nooby or is he a mafia willing to look like a nooby to not have a mafia stamp on his forehead. Furthermore we can't allow these kind of things. Same goes to BM. If we treat those posts as legitimate defences because "hey look, no mafia would post a such a thing" we're opening a bottomless pit because we're allowing every mafia to just post something along the lines "hey sry, wasn't my best game, you probably should just lynch me to see if I'm bad or mafia to get over this discussion". Who's able to tell the difference between lurkers who are told by their mafia buddies to make a post like this and lurkers who really are just bad? Sure the moment someone like BC would post something like that I'd want to see him hanging but we're talking about new guys here. I'll also look into his filter later on, however: Next guy who does a post like that is to be lynched imo | ||
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On January 20 2012 03:50 jaj22 wrote: I'm guessing this is a pressure case because Protact can't get a read out of Toad's filter any more than I can That easy: Whole town thinks I'm town? - Lynch me Half of town thinks I'm mafia and the rest is not sure? - I'm town and a bunch of crazy people jumped out of nowhere, focusing on somethin I posted that made them think I meant something completly different and they stick with that. Has been that way ALL THE TIME. | ||
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On January 20 2012 04:10 VisceraEyes wrote: That second option is....pretty specific. So lynch you when everyone thinks your town? Why, because that's what happened last game? You keep coming back to last game you were scum. Why is that? You're using meta from your scum game to try and incriminate Sandroba. You allude to your last scum game in an attempt to defend yourself by saying "Whole town thinks I'm town? - Lynch me" Why would you say that as town? Why would you say that if you had nothing to hide? That doesn't make any sense. You're posting like flailing scum Toad, that's why people are suspicious, and I'm officially one of them. Incoming!! yeah the 2nd one is specific because that happened last 2 games when I was town. @lanaia: I'm trying to be confident and trust in my read in Sandroba until someone gives me a reason not to. So far noone stepped up and gave me a single reason why my case is supposed to be "retarded". Take my claims about being right as a defence because WBG keeps telling me my reads / opinions are of no use ALL GAME LONG. Just read his filter and ask yourself again why I might insist on those cases where I was right. | ||
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2 hits are missing, our sheriff claimed he has not sheriff'ed someone (also noone claimed to be locked up so far) => I should be pretty much a confirmed townie at this point imo. I don't see what's wrong with him and his style this game but this is just FAR too off to be just bad town. ##Unvote kingjames01 ##Vote wherebugsgo Take it as a placeholder while pointing a heavy fos in wbg's direction. | ||
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On January 20 2012 08:31 VisceraEyes wrote: What last 2 games are you referring to Toad, if I may ask? I'm not counting the 80 player-cluster-fuck. I was refering to my first game and my 2nd game (I already posted them d1 because supersoft asked, just look up my first or 2nd page of filter). | ||
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And I still think VE fakeclaimed, was shot by mafia and is, just as I am a vet who tried to be shot. He tried to do so by fakeclaiming, I tried to post a lot. If there's a medic out there who protected VE don't claim that shit, it's not even important if I'm right on that one and he really is a VET and not a joat if he really is town. Both fine with me. | ||
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On January 20 2012 03:54 Toadesstern wrote: I start to agree that we should still lynch GGQ. The mayor point here is that protact says "no mafia would do such a thing". Here's the point: Townies won't do such a thing as well. The post we're talking about has NOTHING in it to determine his alignment. Yes Mafia won't ask to be vigged, neither will townies. It's bad for both. The only thing of interest should be portacts first line. As mentioned I only have 15mins left and I can't look in his filter right now. Of someone pointed out GGQ is defending macpo before GGQ made that post that line is useless as well. fancy conclusion: This is not a alignment-tell. It is, if at all a nooby-tell. The question should be: Is he really a town-nooby or is he a mafia willing to look like a nooby to not have a mafia stamp on his forehead. Furthermore we can't allow these kind of things. Same goes to BM. If we treat those posts as legitimate defences because "hey look, no mafia would post a such a thing" we're opening a bottomless pit because we're allowing every mafia to just post something along the lines "hey sry, wasn't my best game, you probably should just lynch me to see if I'm bad or mafia to get over this discussion". Who's able to tell the difference between lurkers who are told by their mafia buddies to make a post like this and lurkers who really are just bad? Sure the moment someone like BC would post something like that I'd want to see him hanging but we're talking about new guys here. I'll also look into his filter later on, however: Next guy who does a post like that is to be lynched imo is it just me or did my post here get ignored completly? I thought GGQ might be a hot topic and therefore I expected to get some answers on that one, no matter if good or bad. I still don't think what protact pointed out is a tell at all and that it's not a solid defence. What's everyone elses opinion on what I posted in there? | ||
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On January 20 2012 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote: lol this is what I'm talking about. This is like the most random vote I've ever seen. Plus, the only justification is "I'm a confirmed townie so I can do this and heavy FoS on WBG" No reason. No logic. the logic behind that is that you're doing bullshit. I don't see a single reason why you should STILL want to see me dead. I was shot by mafia, KP is missing, noone else claimed a shot (except for VE but it's 2 shots missing). You're just wrong and I can't believe it's wrong for the good. This time it's just way too off to still be acceptable. | ||
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On January 20 2012 09:41 Jackal58 wrote: [...] Atm I am still leaning towards scum with you. However I am also wondering if I am pulling a GMarshall and defending every scum player coming up for lynch.[...] That's actually exactly what I'm thinkin myself :p I defended palmar and everyone wanted him to die. I thought you are town and everyone else thinks you're mafia and now out of the sudden everyone thinks you're fine. I am pushing sandroba instead of other people. I could literally be the town moron. I want to see sandroba flip so badly for that purpose. I mean is there anyone having a problem with lynching sandroba at this time? Anyone? | ||
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[13:02] <supersoft> ahm i need your opinion on toadesstern [13:03] <wherebugsgo> let me reread his posts real quick [13:03] <supersoft> he has this huge posts style [13:03] <supersoft> so annying to read through [13:05] <supersoft> he got 6 pages... [13:05] <supersoft> what the fuck. I list him as unable to read. [13:05] <wherebugsgo> yeah [13:06] <wherebugsgo> I just noticed LOL [13:06] <supersoft> okay [13:06] <wherebugsgo> he looks [13:06] <wherebugsgo> more town than scum to me [13:07] <supersoft> maybe i mason him [13:07] <supersoft> he's german [13:07] <supersoft> I will be able to interview him that actually made me laugh but I'd be totally up for being maosned. Supersoft gogogo! Still reading the rest. | ||
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That's it? Really? Ok I'll rething my 2nd vote tomorrow, don't know who I'll vote yet but I'm probably going to stick with sandroba. | ||
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On January 20 2012 10:21 Toadesstern wrote: Ok let's get this straight. I've got EVERY SINGLE read like you have/ had, even those I never told you guys because at some point I just stopped telling you because noone was listening. Now I find out that I'm even with you on those ones I never said made a huge deal about (like jackal, kita) and essentially it comes all down to me being to confident and having a better read on palmar than you guys have although I'm a new guy? That's it? Really? Ok I'll rething my 2nd vote tomorrow, don't know who I'll vote yet but I'm probably going to stick with sandroba. sry, that was directed at wbg but again: Just stop tunneling me. Give me a plausible reason why you want me to die that is NOT "I don't think a noob is capable of what you're telling us" because that's literally what it comes down to from what I see in your most recent posts. | ||
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On January 20 2012 10:56 Jitsu wrote: Home from class. Just read thread. Interesting to see Supersoft flip scum as well. Toad, I have a question. Hypothetical question; you are the Mad Hatter. You have two bombs. Who would you plant them on right now and why? One thing that bugs me. It seems like you are purposefully trying to take as much credit as possible to buy town-cred by saying all you're reads we're accurate. From a town point of view: I could give less of a shit who gets credit for a kill in a game as long as the mafia player is dead. I was suspicious of Macpo pretty damn early, but everyone assumed there was a slew of over players involved in it, so I gave zero fucks. From a Mafia point of view: "Hmmmm, if I can accuse alot of people early, than I can look more town if they eventually do get lynched! Yeah!" Do you think this reasoning if flawed? Do you think you are acting opposite of this? Also, BC - did you use you're mason ability yet? I really need to talk to you, but I already blew mine. can't sleep so I'm back \o/ Yeah makes sense, however take into consideration that pretty much everyone keeps telling me my reads are of no use this game, I'm bad and I'm useless. I want to prove that I'm not. Easy as that. That's not a town tell, it's not a scum tell, it's a ego-tell if you want :p I want to prove that I'm not useless, that's what I'm trying. | ||
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On January 20 2012 11:42 Jitsu wrote: Cheers, Lanaia. One last thing before I hit the sack. The Mafia had four KP last night when the hits took effect. Targets were, supposedly, Sheth, Adam, VE, and Toad. What is keeping them from doublestacking Sheth, one on Adam, VE, and having Toad come out to "pretend" he was target'd, but was saved due to Veteran. I don't know why the Mafia would target him for a hit, especially since he was under such heavy scrutiny in the first place. Again, from a mafia point of view, just let him live and take a lynch with them. This is fairly WIFOM induced, but it's a gut feeling I can't get rid of. That, coupled with the fact he's claiming accurate reads all game and that everything he has done was right, just irks me. It's like he's buying town credit by feinging correct calls. Anyone else feel the same? Sound off. I'll be back in the morning. Outtie. if that's what you're afraid of, don't worry, I'll keep on lynching mafias and tell you who to not lynch. I am the most scary mafia in this game rawr :3 No but seriously. if you are afraid of me getting right calls all the time that's np as long as I keep on voting mafias isn't it? | ||
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On January 20 2012 11:43 Jitsu wrote: I have just as big ego, if not bigger, than you do. But there is a big difference between telling people you are good at scum-hunting, and actually being good at scum-hunting. I never said I am a good scumhunter. I am quite good at judging townies, especially noobies imo. I think my read on sandroba is right because he basicly claimed mafia in the thread although noone wants to lynch him. If you ignore everything I said about him, just look at his one post saying something along the lines (I think it was his mayoralcampaign) : "it's really easy to catch me as scum because I can't keep up with the thread". Then goes on to lurk like a mad man and even manages to not vote d1. Srsly? Everything else are towntells and agreeing with mafias. I did not build a case on cyri or Macpo however I agreed to lynch cyri because I thought he's weird and I agreed lynching Macpo because I thought he's weird as well, although I'd much rather see sandroba dead. So basicly: Yeah I think I'm pretty damn right on Sandroba and I'm good at judging tonwies imo. That's it. WBG keeps telling me I'm useless and I keep telling him "look bro, I'm not as wrong as you keep trying to make people believe" | ||
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On January 20 2012 12:25 kingjames01 wrote: I am not going to cast a vote against another player until I have an adequate reason to, even if it's to save myself. [...] That's totally lookin town but is not town at all. I'm saying this looks like a mafia who tries to look townie. If I had the option to either die myself ( = 100% townie dead) or kill someone else, even if I only think he's in 1 out of 100 situations mafia I'd gladly take that chance. 100/100 chance to kill a townie vs "I guess he's town but I'm not sure" is a clear one for me. Why is it not for you? I think because you want to look townie | ||
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On January 20 2012 13:44 sandroba wrote: Holy fucking shigt toadstem every post you make you call me mafia at lest 7 times wtf is wrong with you. I nddv to crash i'll read every \\tihionh tp,prow whatever that was meant to be but: give me a single reason to believe you're town. Just a single one. | ||
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On January 20 2012 21:48 risk.nuke wrote: We have plenty of good targets. I'm going to analyse a few players today. Example rgtSchwors, Kingjames and Slardar. For now Bill Murray is the one obvious choice. He is just desperate to survive another day I don't buy his MH claim. It's too impossibly stupid to be true. And there is much bullshit in his posts. Toad gained some early townpoints with me which is why I don't want to lynch him today,+ Show Spoiler + I'd prefer not to post the post but I will if requested. On the other hand I don't buy his vet claim and he has never been correct with alot of reads before which makes me suspicious of him. I'm leaning not lynching him but not by much, quick question: Why don't you buy my vet claim? I wasn't even sure if mafia shot me because frankly I saw no reason to shoot me with so many people thinking I'm suspicious. Maybe to make wbg look suspicious but I srsly doubt that with so many vets around something like that would have been an issue at all. So all I could think of is either a townie-vig who was convinced by what wbg said, but in that case someone else (other than VE) should have claimed another hit. That did not happen. If that's not case I guess mafia aimed for 2 safe hits. Just take out a couple of waynies to reduce the number of townies. Quite ironically that they instantly run into two VETs (yeah still think VE is a vet) :p I mean, do you really think a medic would save me or VE? I doubt it and actually that is a problem for my opinion on VE. The guy claimed joat right? Has he ever called a shot? I can't remember and neither can I remember a roleblock claim. That means mafia thought he's a townie who's trying to get shot as well (like I thought). But why would they shoot VE if they tried to get a couple of safe hits? Did they think he's a VT and did not think of a VET? This is massivly wifom at it's best but something's not adding up here. Neither the joat makes sense to me, nor the VT or something else that involves him being medic'ed, so the only thing left is a vet which just doesn't make sense for mafia | ||
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I'm having a really hard time to judge them and I'm fine trusting them as long as they keep delivering mafias but I'm kind of scared I might be wrong here (I guess we'll see about that after the lynch). Protact looks to be town to me, but somthing bothers me, same with BC. Bum is just a complete null for me: Thought he's town d1. thought he's fishy d1.5, and I'm basicly getting different vibes all the time. | ||
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On January 21 2012 03:01 Jitsu wrote: 1. Guy clearly lurks. He's got, what, 5 posts in the entire thread? Doesn't even come in to explain why he voted on a player. Literally every one of his posts is apologizing for being busy in real life (which really isn't needed) and how he promises to participate (which he never does). 2. In my mind, the Mafia Mason would mason someone last. The idea behind this is because it would take time for the Scum team to decide on who was going to play the part of the mason. He said he didn't Mason anyone Day one because he was too busy reading the thread? Right...so busy reading the thread, you are able to make choices and decisions based on what you've read. I can understand that from the massive amount of analysis in you're filter. yeah thought that's what you're talking about. I never saw the name myself and he's not in my sheet as well. Figured he replaced someone and it took some time to read the whole thread. I'm not saying he looks good I'm just saying we probably should give those who replaced in a little time to get things rolling and I'm not only talking about this guy but about everyone who replaced in. Sure if it's going to stay that way it's scummy but for now I'm ok with it. | ||
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On January 21 2012 03:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: your point? If you are replacing into a game, especially a large game you should realize the level of work you will have to do. Excusing someones behaviour for the first day they are in the game is ok, however, when you make posts like then your next post is Did anyone notice the difference in pages? page 88 then next on page 145. He still voted last game day, and said he had caught up. Moment you make a statement like "i have read everything and will be active from now on" then don't have a single post in near 60 pages? and that post was made as you were called out for sheeping without justifying yourself? He's being called out because hes done nothing to say hes town. In fact his actions say otherwise. Promises to be active then never doing so. Why would I give him a break? Him being a mason just means that a potential red in the masons has been found. His sketchy behaviour is why hes being looked at. the problem I have with that one is that there's a bunch of people like this and you pick out of all those guys the guy who replaced in? Sure it's not looking good but why this guy? Just because he popped in? Why are you not asking other people as well? You know, I made a big case on sandroba (a vet) which is basicly about him refusing to play pro-town and not only about lurking. There's people like munk-E, Slardar, Kenpachi (I guess he's something special) and someother people who posted like 1 page of filter in this game. | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:16 supersoft wrote: I kind of agree. Did wbg post the part when we talked about me masoning L? I lost that part... wait a second... depends. I remember you mentioning L. Something along the lines "I could mason Toad, he's german and I might catch scum" bc agreed and you went on saying "but I'd rather pick someone I can discuss the game with. I'm thinking about L right now". If that's what you're talking about than yes. I'm really having a hard time judging wbg because I can't tell how much he usually tunnels / how stubborn he is. I did an omgus vote yesterday to get at least some reactions and he sounded reasonable. I got the feeling wbg's the kind of player that tends to tunnel a bit so I'm not sure yet. I can understand supersoft thinking I was mafia d1 and d2 an I thought it's fishy that the lynch-palmar actions from supersoft and wbg where so "orchestrated" but now with those logs that makes sense and if supersoft said he's leaning scum on me based on my style I could see wbg believing that. The main issue really is that he pushed so hard against me with literally nothing. He said he does not like my style and after reading those logs I figured our reads are pretty much the same. That doesn't add up. He himself said somewhere in there that sandroba looks fishy and yet he attacks me for pushing sandroba and for my "I'm not sure about palmar, he might be a stubborn townie"-read. That's basicly everything he said about me. | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:28 Toadesstern wrote: depends. I remember you mentioning L. Something along the lines "I could mason Toad, he's german and I might catch scum" wbg agreed and you went on saying "but I'd rather pick someone I can discuss the game with. I'm thinking about L right now". If that's what you're talking about than yes. I'm really having a hard time judging wbg because I can't tell how much he usually tunnels / how stubborn he is. I did an omgus vote yesterday to get at least some reactions and he sounded reasonable. I got the feeling wbg's the kind of player that tends to tunnel a bit so I'm not sure yet. I can understand supersoft thinking I was mafia d1 and d2 an I thought it's fishy that the lynch-palmar actions from supersoft and wbg where so "orchestrated" but now with those logs that makes sense and if supersoft said he's leaning scum on me based on my style I could see wbg believing that. The main issue really is that he pushed so hard against me with literally nothing. He said he does not like my style and after reading those logs I figured our reads are pretty much the same. That doesn't add up. He himself said somewhere in there that sandroba looks fishy and yet he attacks me for pushing sandroba and for my "I'm not sure about palmar, he might be a stubborn townie"-read. That's basicly everything he said about me. EBWOP in [b]-tag. Guess it was clear what I was talking about but who knows. | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:31 Protactinium wrote: OH I'm being bombed. Lol. Voting Sandroba. Even if BM is mafia we have plenty of other good targets. Also please stop voting people who are not on my list. WBG is a non-sensical lynch. supersoft is likewise. the people still voting for GGQ are ... ima look at the vote lists later when i get out of class. The big issue I have with BM is his claim... It's not like it's going to get better. I'm not believing a word he says about his claim but who knows, it's BM What's going to change tomorrow? Are we supposed to somehow know if he really is a hatter or not, if so how? It's a claim that's not provable until he dies. Other than that I'd be up for a sandroba lynch :p | ||
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Also protact you do realize that unvoting BM to vote sandroba right now is only going to get KJ another day to live and will lynch sandroba instead? Not that I have anything particular against lynching sandroba but right now BM has to many votes to get both KJ and sandroba lynched. | ||
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I'd love to see sandroba get lynched but I'd also love to get some information about BC and protact at this point. I'm fine with both. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:21 hiro protagonist wrote: Hey BC, Protac, remember when I made this great post detailing why Sandro was scum? BC called me an idiot for wanting to lynch sand, and protac thought my case was weak at best? I could not get any traction for my case without you guys, and now BC paraphrases my exact points in regard to sandroba, and protac comes in like it was his idea. just... you know ... Its just a bit ironic. yeah I'm so confused right now. I've been bitchslapped left and right. People called my case on sandroba retarded and I think I was the first one who said he might be scum although I was not the first who did the job to build a case although I think my case is the best :3 And now out of nowhere protact wants to lynch sandroba and BC / foolish follow him? I have no idea what's going on. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: his day 1 play had me convinced he was town. I had to read his filter from this game and compare it to a known scum him and a known town -_- His scum habit seems to be "solidify a townie read" day 1 then do near nothing to avoid being offed. quick question: Why did sandroba vote you d1 to be mayor? | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote: How is he supposed to know? Ask Sandroba... This is why it's hard to 'gain traction' with whatever lynches you have going, every 5 posts someone asks the leading townies a question and puts their decisions back into the spotlight. yeah but I'd like to hear bc's opinion on that one. We discussed the post I am referring to a lot and a lot of people said I'm scummy because of that. That's what I'm talking about: On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote: Palmar you need to try harder, you are too easy to spot as scum nowadays. I'd rather not lynch any vets day1 but you make it so hard not to lynch you. Please go die in a corner. I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler I'd just like to know if BC thinks sandroba will vote a town mayor (as a mafia) just to get palmar lynched when supersoft and wbg already did the half the job. If he's a townie and thinks sandroba would push for a mafia mayor there's no way BC should vote sandroba over BC unless both BC and BM are town. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:47 Jitsu wrote: Ok. Initially, BC and BM would be the only two people to know the identities of the Bodyguards. If the Mafia had replaced both Bodyguard's and killed BC and BM in the same night, the identities of the two Mafia Bodyguard's would remain a secret, and it would have died with our Mayor/Sheriff. I asked to have the names of the Bodyguard's revealed to me so that, if that were the case, I would be able to identify the names of the two mafia bodyguards, essentially trading two-for-two. At the same token, it would be fairly obvious to deduce if I were mafia, since, more than likely, the Bodyguard's would be killed the following nights, and BM would be able to identify me, as well as have evidence to that fact. I would be pretty screwed. I was hoping to keep this fact under wraps, so that I wouldn't be targeted for having extra knowledge, and would be able to bring it out as a simple back-up if the whole chain of events worked in order. I think the benefit's out-weighed the negatives. Also, I thought it would be effective since I wouldn't be known to the general group to have this special knowledge, since this was done in means beyond the thread. Obviously, this isn't the case anymore. Can we end the bullshit now? Foolishness, you are here. I think BC agrees with me. What do you think of Glurio? Asking bm to tell you the names of the bodyguards is fine and is good. In fact both a mafia and a town mason should do that imo. A mafia obviously wants to know the name and a town mason is a danger for mafia. The only question really is if the mayor should tell you the names. Nothing else is in question. But telling town that YOU know the names is not a useful talent toi have. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:48 p4NDemik wrote: You guys have done very little talk in the thread about sandroba recently and if this is what you've suddenly come to why are you just dropping the case against BM like this? How is sandroba magically a better lynch now at this point in the game? How is kingjames a better lynch? This triumvirate's actions are just puzzling and I simply can't fathom why you guys are acting this way as town. Surely you aren't all mafia but someone here is rotten. I dk this is driving me up a wall atm I need to get out of the house for a moment and do something else. I'll be back shortly in like 30 minutes to an hour. as far as I get it bc and foolish are both "sheeping" protact because they trust him. Protact said he thinks sandroba is a good lynch as well yesterday. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:59 Jitsu wrote: @Toad Quoted from C_C I'm pretty sure that that statement is putting my motives in question. That is the [third?] time someone has questioned me regarding it. Obviously some people think I have ulterior agenda's for asking, and I want to clear it up now. That, or they are trying to throw suspicion at me. Enough. yeah I know I was not fosing you. I actually don't recall how it came to the situation in the first place. I know you claimed mason but I don't know if BM asked you (specifically) to mason him to tell you the names or if someone else was like "so... BM told two masons the name of the BGs. Who are those 2 masons?" and therefore you went ahead and told everyone it's you. | ||
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It's not about if he's scummy or not. I'm pretty sure most people think he is at least scummy but the fashion in which we're switching is just so weird. Like everyone says white all the time and 10 secs later everyone's on "yeah black it is". | ||
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On January 21 2012 08:27 supersoft wrote: lol sandroba dude. I've been in Skype for like 40 hours now... did he show up? | ||
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On January 21 2012 08:56 Bill Murray wrote: tonight I'm going to move my bomb to risk.nuke, since you all don't like it being on my top suspect would you all be adverse to me putting my 2nd bomb out first? I'd rather have a bomb on incog and a bomb on risk.nuke, before I think about moving my bomb off incog, to keep my utility The reason I claimed 1 bomb now is because I can move my 2nd bomb out tonight If you all want me to move my 1 bomb tonight, I can't maximize having both bombs out tonight. What if I'm roleblocked? This is all a bunch of shit. I don't see why I had to be pressured today, this really hurt our play TREMENDOUSLY. I was thinking about the Risk.Nuke situation when I was showering, and he really sucks. OMGUS all over the place, considering his tunneling started after I put him as #3 on my scumspects list. He's defending scummy Sandroba now? He can hang next. I would either put my 2nd bomb or move my bomb on GGQQ, but it seems like he's going to get lynched, and I don't want to lose it. you're immune to RB as far as I know. Quit whining about the possibility to be roleblocked :p | ||
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Also BM you said early on that you trust me to be town right? I won't say I trust risk to be town but I don't think he's scum. What about a bomb on evantrees? | ||
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I am no longer scared to lynch sandro + KJ. | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:14 p4NDemik wrote: +2 votes for kingjames, +1 for OpZ, and +1 for BillMurray in this, votes were added as I was tabulating I like that you trust me but I'm not actually half a mayor. I can only vote 2 people and I most certainly can't vote sandroba twice :p | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:34 supersoft wrote: Funny that erandorr refuses to play games when he rolls scum... :-( he was mafia in that 80 player game. I made a case about him early on (like d2?), placed a fos on him, telling him to start playing. Still remember it because I was really pissed later on that I did not push for his lynch :p | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:47 supersoft wrote: I need your read on sandroba now!!! :D sorry. I need to gather some informations. I might mason you tomorrow. Discussing this game in german is much easier. Otherwise I'll have to take jayjay. :-/ as mentioned if this sandroba switch would not have happened so fast I'd be all over him. I think sandroba is as scummy as someone can get but I'm quite scared about those 3 switching so "orchestrated". I already said it somewhere earlier it's like everyone in this thread was like "yeah white sounds good" and 10 seconds later it's "yeah, black it is". Just a complete change within seconds and that bothers me. However now that GGQ has caught up as well I'm pretty comfortable lynching sandroba. | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:54 hiro protagonist wrote: yes toad, you need to put your vote where you read is and vote Sandroba plz ^__^ I got to go, let me leave you with this thought: If Bill is telling the truth, then mafia would get the chance of a life time if they could Mislynch him. They Kill an elected townie, and His Bomb goes off on the best scumhunter in the game, whom they know is town. Its win win for them and there is plenty of reasons to take big risks to getting him mislynched. Just look at some of the players that came out of the woodwork in the last hour to put there vote on BM. Mafia is taking the risk and its obvious. Please, vote for who you think is scum, but dont lynch BM. that is all. According to p4N I already voted Sandroba twice. Want me to place a 3rd vote on him? :D | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:54 risk.nuke wrote: Let me tell you what happend. Scum decided BM was doomed, and decided to just go along with it to avoid suspicion. Which caused a few townies unease because everyone were agreeing on BM (aka seemed to easy). Combination with BM's bullshit-claim, which is just the worlds worst dumbest lie. Because you don't let yourself get elected mayor as a Mad Hatter to begin with. It's like getting elected when you're a veteran... ONLY MUCH WORSE. The only reason he bloody said it was fearmongering that we might loose protact who was looking pro-town. Comeon If he actually were a mad hatter why on earth would he even had set a bomb on protect. And do you think he would had missed the damn second night action if he had an that important role? LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES, + Show Spoiler + And 15 votes on sandroba. What? Where is the reasoning and logic to support 15 votes. the guy is leading jesus. and you're worried about reds wagoning BM!! + Show Spoiler + Townies, get of Sandroba or start singing why? Because if sandroba flips town I'll be going after sandroba voters with apocalyptic fury. TLDR: Get the damn votes back on BM & get your damn votes off sandroba or give me a satisfying reason to lynch him. getting mayor as mad hatter is actually pretty awesome if this claim really is true. Mayors tend to die pretty soon in general as far as I can see. It's hard to judge them so eventuall you will die as mayor mid-gamish. Mayor is not something that makes you survive the game. Mayor is somethign that is most likely going to make you survive like something from 2 up to 4 days. That's pretty nice as hatter especially giving that it's a game with 50 people and only 4 KP mafia has. That's a slow game isn't it? | ||
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Detective You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask for the role of one player. you get the ROLE according to our op oO | ||
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On January 21 2012 10:06 hiro protagonist wrote: fuck I just read the vote tally from flamewheel... far to many votes on BM OK, I dont know if this is the right move, but I dont want to risk losing Protac: I Am A Detective. obviously I got a red check on Sandroba night one. Some scum will try to argue that he was framed or miller bullshit. but his check matchs with his actions. Now go vote Sandro and NOT BM for now!!!!! With that Im late to work. DO THE RIGHT THING!!!! GUYS, this is important. Am I misunderstanding the op or is this a scumslip? OP: Detective You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask for the role of one player. As I understand it: you don't get to know if someone is red or green but you get to know the role. Like if he's a vigi you get a pm "He's a vigi" and because there's no red vigis this game you know he's blue. HOWEVER hiro claimed that sandroba might be a miller or framed. How is that working in this setup? | ||
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Framer Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like framed. When framing somebody, you can make them show up as any role that you would like to Detective checks. You may not frame the same person twice. You cannot frame yourself. So the framer is not changing red / green but changing roles this game. Makes sense I guess. | ||
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So what he said is possible because a mafia framer could make a mafia goon show up as a VT instead for example right? And a miller would show up as a mafia goon as well I guess? | ||
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On January 21 2012 10:26 wherebugsgo wrote: Nah, waste of my time. I'm willing to lynch sandro, if he comes up anything but red we lynch hiro right after, especially because hiro has been playing quite out of his normal character. Of course, I doubt he'd have the balls to claim like this as scum, but it's still worth something. ##unvote Toadesstern ##vote Sandroba As for the other one, someone needs to explain why we are not killing BM and who we are killing instead. Otherwise, my vote is going to stay on him. I don't just like keeping people around because they blue claimed. Also, the blue claim didn't make much sense for me because a mad hatter wouldn't want to be in office unless he intended on getting himself lynched. A mad hatter is one of the hardest roles to play; you play to get yourself shot by scum, and if you're in office that's impossible. BM claimed hatter and has a bomb on protact. This actually makes some sense because according to a list BM did day1 protact was first on his "DIEDIEDIE" list. We don't want to risk loosing protact, give him 1 or 2 days to replace bombs and rethink everything by then. | ||
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On January 21 2012 10:31 bumatlarge wrote: So we are ok with lynching sandroba the townie and not meapak the scum? And we are jumping off BM? Not if I can help it. BM and kingjames are extremely reasonable lynch choices, but sandroba instead of BM sounds like scum work. I'm especially surprised at Protact. It seems like extremely selfish to just stop lynching someone because they say they have a bomb on you. I would like an actually good reason to take my vote off of BM aside from the off chance that you would die. I have had very little doubt that BM was scum this game even after all the votes piled on to him. But protact's stunt has me guessing. I'd like thoughts on this, because I'm not sure if it's better to actual lynch BM and call him out on this, or to not lynch him because he has a strong likelyhood of being town. DO NOT LYNCH SANDROBA. just to get this straight: If sandroba flips red I want everyone to insta-lynch bum, kk? | ||
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On January 21 2012 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote: I like how I'm like, marked for death tonight and no one gives a shit what I say. Cool guys. Consider this my last post. same here. I guess we two have to get used to it for the sake of our own sanity | ||
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On January 21 2012 10:57 p4NDemik wrote: Toad it seems pretty clear to me he had just missed reading the new post. He reference's Protact's gambit but has nothing about this dt news. Mafia wouldn't ignore this. I am very well aware of that fact. Still if sandroba flips red there's bound to be a couple of mafias that are not willing to lynch sandroba. But there's no good in discussing this right now. I should not have brought it up at all, I just wanted to make sure you guys all look at stuff like that and try to take notes of who is and especially WAS voting who. That's going to be crucial information after the flip. | ||
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However I don't think we got an alternative. We can't lynch BM with what happened, can we? If sandroba gets modkilled we still get a lot of information, about hiro, about all the 3 vets that got us on sandroba and he if we're going to unvite he might last minute vote. Of course we could still just lynch him the next day but I don't really see something we could change. If we unvote sandroba BM get's lynched. | ||
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Still I'm going with this now. Not going to change my vote. I want BM to live 1 more day. If we could get GGQ lynched or someone else (has he voted yet?) that'd be fine but BM instead? If sandro really flips town I'm all for our beloved DT. | ||
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Thx for bitchslapping me left and right the last 2 days because my case on sandroba was retarded. Consider myself, VE and hiro to be confirmed townies from now on. I'd very much like to get us 3 on the list of protection as well because if mafia shoots one of us that's making the next lynch a little bit harder for you because we're confirmed imo. | ||
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On January 21 2012 12:18 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Have you ever heard of reads being too accurate? And look how much you flaunt it so... don't pull a wbg on me. First I'm suspicious because I'm useless and my reads are of no value and now I'm suspicious because I'm too awesome? + Show Spoiler + Yes I am flaunting, my ego needed that after the last couple of days. | ||
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On January 21 2012 12:26 wherebugsgo wrote: With that said, I want to take a closer look at bum because of how hard he defended sandro. I also still want to look at Toad because something still is weird about him. Bussing sandro isn't the hardest thing in the world to do, because sandro has 0 confidence in his scum play. It has happened before, even. Ok srsly, there's nothing I can do to help you wbg. If you still don't consider myself to MAYBE be town after I got shot, claimed vet and now everything that happend I realy can't do a thing about it. I'll ignore everything you're saying about me from now on. You're tunneling me like crazy and I don't know why. Get over it. Oh and I'd say we should also look into the people who voted GGQ and not only (like wbg said) into people who voted KJ. I'm not saying that because I did vote KJ (see? I was wrong!) but because I was mafia last time with sandroba. This is important: in XLVIII Sandroba was Scum and was AFK ALL the time. He did not show up in our irc channel and we literally did never know if he's going to be modkilled or not because he never showed up and noone knew if he was going to vote or send in his nightactions (don't recall if he had anything). I had to shoot him pm's to get at least some basic strategies (although wbg will claim that mafia did not use strategy in this game at all).VE and Jackal can vouch for that, they were mafia in that game as well. We even got some funny situations because of that. One time Sandroba was bussing VE and VE was not aware of that. When he found out about it he was raging mad and typing in all caps in our irc channel. It could very well be the same in this game and Mafia had no idea if sandroba would show up or not. I'm off to bed now, cya tomorrow. | ||
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On January 21 2012 20:00 Jayjay54 wrote: I hate post like that. Directing medics is a fucking aweful Idea. This doesn't encourage a medic to protect him, it actually makes him WIFOM if he really should protect him, because mafia is reading this very post. STOP DIRECTING BLUES. Trust them, they've been pretty great so far and know what they're doing. Especially N1: N1 red DT check, N1 medic save. Also 2 great vig shots. noone is directing blues. I'm just saying (and everyone else) thata I think it could ver well happen that VE or I get shot again. Especially after that sandroba lynch and well hiro is a dt. I'm not telling people to safe us like a mad man and everyone on us. I'm telling people that imo we 3 are all "noobs" and therefore people might not think about us. It's not an advice to protect us but an advice to think about us :p | ||
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When BC answered jackals question (along the lines "how do you vets talk with eatch other?") bc promptly said he's a mason. Foolish however said it's a game of realizing wether those 3 are taking the same path or not. Looked to me like he was not masoned. Protact did not say a word about it but I'd still like to see a log. At least something I don't want to run into a jack. Yeah I know, I thought myself when KJ posted that bc-might-be-joat-post that it's fearmongering but I actually take it as a viable option right now. | ||
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On January 22 2012 00:57 Jayjay54 wrote: you weren't even involved in this, why are you defending yourself? and yes, that was directing blues. I am confident in our blues, they gonna nail it. that's all on that topic. I am pretty sure the medics know what to do and this is not getting us anyway! So toad, who's next on you lynch list? I'm defending me because someone CC & Jitsu, said the exact same thing about me after the lynch because I said: On January 21 2012 12:17 Toadesstern wrote: TOLD YA GUYS. Thx for bitchslapping me left and right the last 2 days because my case on sandroba was retarded. Consider myself, VE and hiro to be confirmed townies from now on. I'd very much like to get us 3 on the list of protection as well because if mafia shoots one of us that's making the next lynch a little bit harder for you because we're confirmed imo. it really is not a "you have to protect me or VE or hiro" but rather a "I think we got a couple of viable protection-options right now, like maybe 6 and I'd like those 3 to be within that group of viable protection from now on as well". You still get to make your own decicion I just wanted to point that out because again, hiro+VE+myself are all 3 noobs and there's bound to be some guys who are not reading this properly. Also I highly doubt that we actually got 10 medics. I'm happy with mafia shooting someone else because they're to scared of wifom. about the lynch question. That's still where I'm at right now. Haven't looked into it yet: On January 21 2012 12:29 Toadesstern wrote: I'd be up to lynch bum and my intuition tells me to look into BC although I ruled that out d1. | ||
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On January 22 2012 01:12 Toadesstern wrote: I'm defending me because CC & Jitsu, said the exact same thing about me after the lynch because I said: it really is not a "you have to protect me or VE or hiro" but rather a "I think we got a couple of viable protection-options right now, like maybe 6 and I'd like those 3 to be within that group of viable protection from now on as well". You still get to make your own decicion I just wanted to point that out because again, hiro+VE+myself are all 3 noobs and there's bound to be some guys who are not reading this properly. Also I highly doubt that we actually got 10 medics. I'm happy with mafia shooting someone else because they're to scared of wifom. about the lynch question. That's still where I'm at right now. Haven't looked into it yet: EBWOP. Had "someone" in my first sentence and figured when I have to go and look that quote up I might as well just look up who the guy was that attacked me for it :p | ||
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What do you think about CC? There's a lot comming down to the question if he's mafia or town. So far I thought he's town, had a slight scumleaning later on because I felt like he did that on purpose and right now I'm back on town but I already said d1 that I'm gaving a really hard time judging CC this game. | ||
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On January 22 2012 03:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: which set would you like? I have protrac logs VE logs from where he mason'd me Foolishness logs. As a general note, if I claim I am mason'd to someone and they don't say "thats bullshit" in thread, the chances are guess what. I'm not lying. The only way I could be talking to them is if I was a jack and wasted 1 use and I was red with at least 1 of them, all of us were red, or I am in fact a mason. of the three sets of logs i'd prefer to show the ones with foolishness after the day post purely to have a full set of logs to show. VE masoned you? wtf? So I was wrong about him after all? I'd be fine with foolishnes logs or protacs logs, I don't mind. As far as I know you did not call out that you masoned foolish did you? My point was that you may be a joat that faked the one with sandroba and used his mason on protact the next day to "prove" it. So yeah go ahead and post those logs about foolish unless there's something in there you don't want to publish for a reason. | ||
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On January 22 2012 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote: He drew up one list after the flip last night, and it wasn't based on any flips or information. It was just a list of people he was suspicious of, with no reasons given. Between BM and WBG, tomorrow's lynch should be a piece of cake guys, anyone who's not comfortable lynching BM should have no problem putting their vote on obvScum WBG. This is a good pair to have up, because I feel like they both have a really high chance of flipping scum, and peoples' opinions on them are going to be telling regardless of which flips. I'm actually having problems believing wbg is mafia. Haven't seen something that yells mafia at me except for him being a dick when someone disagrees with him and tunneling like a mad man. He does both as mafia and town imo, however the amount of omgus his a little high. Nevertheless most of his reads are correct I think. I mean he made a list and if you read stuff like the ss/wbg convo he pointed out a lot of reads and I agree with most things he says. fancy conclusion: He's a mad, tunneling townie that is suspicious imo. At least I'm not really comfortable lynching him because I think he's AT MOST a 50% red flip. | ||
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After macpo flipped you even told people to look into people who tried to safe macpo by proposing to lynch Sandroba because Sandroba clearly was just a distraction and you still pushing GGQ while people were switching to macpo was fine. I don't want to make this sound OMGUS but you need to die. | ||
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On January 22 2012 12:08 wherebugsgo wrote: lol this is like the most forced and set up thing I've ever seen If Meapak was scum why the fuck would he shoot GGQ and deprive himself of his only target? It's wifomy but I seriously doubt he would tunnel the same guy for like 72 hours and then turn around and allow his team to shoot the guy. didn't you say 1 page ago that if GGQ flips green we have to insta-lynch meapak? How did you change your mind so fast? | ||
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On January 22 2012 12:10 p4NDemik wrote: Lots of people need to die because of sandroba's flip toadesstern but you need to put BC at the top of your list. we'll see, I'd like to get a little more time to decide wether BC really is mafia and I'd like to lynch someone like Munk-E first. Just fosing Meapak hard :p Is mafia able to choose who get's to be mason as well or can they only chose about their power roles? | ||
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On January 22 2012 12:17 p4NDemik wrote: Why do you want to lynch a lurker who has had no real case made against him? What about my case against BC is lacking enough that we should give him more time? Why don't you want BM dead either? And mafia choses their masons this was something that was discussed ad nauseam earlier in the game on day 1. because I find it still hard to believe that he faked the logs with sandroba. BC obviously is a mason and he proved that with the protact log and I could totally see mafia giving him that role over a nooby. If you want to put it that way: The fact that a vet got this role might be a coincidence but it's not looking good. Still I don't think he faked those logs, that's A LOT of work to do | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:20 flamewheel wrote: Day 1 Election Vote Tally Votes for Bill Murray (11) Second Macpo Toadesstern rgTheSchworz Jackal58 GiygaS Munk-E EchelonTee Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles Ciryandor kitaman27 Votes for kitaman27 (1) evantrees Votes for BloodyC0bbler (11) First Meapak_Ziphh risk.nuke GGQ zeks Lanaia glurio Cyber_Cheese Foolishness supersoft wherebugsgo VisceraEyes sandroba (didn't actually vote in voting thread) Votes for Protactinium (10) Palmar Adam4167 Kurumi Cwave Liquid`Sheth Jayjay54 Jitsu p4NDemik bumatlarge blahz0r Votes for supersoft (1) Bill Murray Votes for L (2) ~OpZ~ Scamp Votes for wherebugsgo (2) Kenpachi Slardar Votes for VisceraEyes (1) L Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (1) BloodyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler is elected as Mayor and Bill Murray is his new Sheriff. There are a lot of non-voters. Chaosquo is excused for this cycle, but to my count that still leaves... kingjames01 BrownBear igabod (PM'd me saying he wants to be replaced; no reason why) Erandorr (PMed me saying he wants to be replaced; not an acceptable reason why) Protactinium rtgICEMAN Maxella Just a little update. Nothing big obviously because it's town ownly that flipped. | ||
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On January 22 2012 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote: HAHAHA trolled you biatch! I see what the scumteam is doing. They're trying to lock down the lynch on Meapak today. so far noone said a thing about meapak except for you and me. Was that a scumslip of yours or are yu still obsessed about me? | ||
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On January 22 2012 12:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok people. You can jump up and down and yell at me all you want however. BM DIES NOW. You guys can all say "but BC we don't trust you" Yea so let me ask you this. Why are we not following the advice of the dead town DT who snagged near every red thus far this game? BM drops. If he somehow flips town im fucked and dead after. If anyone was jailed last night, claim it. If anyone took a hit same shit, if you were rb'd again. Anyone who was mason'd to scamp should be coming forward as well. The mafia are running with their tails in their legs trying to keep bm alive right now, DO NOT LET IT HAPPEN. just a short reminder I know protact is town and I know he delivered some mafia so far but his list is not perfect. I'll just quote the 2nd most recent (if you can say that in english?) he did because that got way more people in it that his "opz+bm+bum"-post: On January 19 2012 12:02 Protactinium wrote: GGQ is cool. Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia. Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches. Nobody lynch him today, keke? Here's the new list of mafias. L kingjames BM Toadesstern SANDROBA Jackal bumatlarge opz chaosquo Now this list is too big for them to all be mafia, but is the best place to start. Brief explanations on the new people on the list: BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game. Toadesstern Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here? Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch. Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol. bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play. And now I'm out of time. Need to post this before I potentially bite the dust. Yes this is a double post. For some reason I am always cursed with posting when my post will end up at the bottom of a page. So that's 2 townies out of 9, I know I'm blue as well which makes it 3/9 for me and only 2/9 are confirmed mafia so far. I'm not going to blindly vote someone on that list especially if you're the one to pick the guy... | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As you are trying to discredit the dead man, I would say there is a valid reason. yeah but I realy don't like you going after protacs list either and I don't like calling the shots right now. You and foolish mislynched into KJ, not sure if protact had a case on him but I do remember yours and foolishs. You said if KJ flips town that's HUGE amount of information because you pushed the guy hardcore. So what's happening with that information? Do you want to tell me the information is that you're townie because you got a townie lynched or are you agreeing that it looks weird? Also now you're blindly sheeping. I can understand that you trust the guy but flipping blue does not make him 100% right as p4n and I have already pointed out. 4 ouf of 9 on his list are wrong, 2 out of 9 are right and 3 out of 9 are unclear right now. You're looking like someone who does not want to be held responsibility because next thing you say is "srysry guys, I just went for the guy that our dead, CONFIRMED DT wanted to lynch. Not my fault at all!". I am not going to vote BM so easily. I want to hear what he has to say and I want to hear what he did this night. | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:21 Toadesstern wrote: yeah but I realy don't like you going after protacs list either and I don't like you calling the shots right now. You and foolish mislynched into KJ, not sure if protact had a case on him but I do remember yours and foolishs. You said if KJ flips town that's HUGE amount of information because you pushed the guy hardcore. So what's happening with that information? Do you want to tell me the information is that you're townie because you got a townie lynched or are you agreeing that it looks weird? Also now you're blindly sheeping. I can understand that you trust the guy but flipping blue does not make him 100% right as p4n and I have already pointed out. 4 ouf of 9 on his list are wrong, 2 out of 9 are right and 3 out of 9 are unclear right now. You're looking like someone who does not want to be held responsibility because next thing you say is "srysry guys, I just went for the guy that our dead, CONFIRMED DT wanted to lynch. Not my fault at all!". I am not going to vote BM so easily. I want to hear what he has to say and I want to hear what he did this night. EBWOP | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:18 Jackal58 wrote: What I'm getting at p4NDemik is don't read to much into what BC just said. I understood the context of his post. At least I think I did. WBG - WHEN WERE YOU TALKING TO SANDROBA??????? quoting to get this up again. What are you talking about? A searched wbg's filter real quick and wasn't able to find what you're referring to. Could you do me a favor and link / quote what you're talking about because from what you say it sounds important :p | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:47 Slardar wrote: What does Protract flipping Detective have anything to do with BM being Scum or not? Elected roles cannot be role-checked, therefore it was all strictly hypothetical since BM is "playing like an idiot". BC is trying to tell us that protact is awesome and we can blindly follow his lead while ignoring the fact that flipping blue DT does NOT automaticly mean that a list done by that DT is 100% right. | ||
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On January 22 2012 14:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I would say the important point is, based on the OP it suggest you can't move a bomb from player a to b, but only remove it from player a to put on player b at a later point. If thats the case, BM saying "i have a bomb on someone" is a clearly a lie. I'd say it means "you can place a maximum of one bomb per night. You can additionally remove as many bombs as you wish during a night". So it's either place a new bomb and therefore have 2 bombs out (the one on protact + a new one) or get one bomb back and place it somewhere else which would mean only 1 bomb out. | ||
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yeah I am. I think VE is scum but that doesn't add up with mafia KP if he got shot. So either what I just asked in green, or BM did not tell us that he locked up a mafia or maybe BM is mafia and was told to lock up a mafia so that say can get one of them "confirmed" townie. Obviously the 3rd one is preeeeeetty stupid so I'd like two know if case #1 and #2 are possible :p | ||
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On January 22 2012 23:46 jaj22 wrote: Yeah, the only question is whether it tells us anything about BM's alignment. I'm not sure that it does. quick question: need to know who you replaced. could you do me the favor and tell me? :p | ||
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On January 23 2012 00:57 p4NDemik wrote: If you germans can, and are willing to put in the effort, I'd appreciate it if you all translate to cross check for any inconsistencies and help determine your alignment. If you want to be shown as town this is a great opportunity. there's a probably some stuff in there that's better not translated. Like supersoft psoted my emai... wohoo 1k spammails tomorrow, 500 of them being jackal saying "bling bling toad". But yeah I'll consider it once we're done. | ||
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On January 23 2012 01:12 p4NDemik wrote: Toadesstern I now know your email as well as everyone else in the game. Emails fucking translate regardless of language why is this a reason for you not wanting to translate it? Don't be lazy and don't be scummy. Translate it. Or at least summarize it. You are looking more and more red. I'm just saying I might want to censor something in there like my email, just that that's no longer possible :p | ||
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You claimed joat and I thought early on it's a fake because you tried to day-vig someone with a made up kill-command. If you are not a dayvig there is no command in your pm to kill someone, therefore you can't know a killcommand and your kill command completly bogus. My read d1 was "either VT/VET trying to get shot or a mafia joat/mason who can prove his joat if he has too with awesome mason powers". So that's one thing that bothers me. Next thing: You claimed joat yet you never claimed to be roleblocked and as far as I can see you never claimed a shot. Why did you not shoot? vig's are dropping like flies and you are not shooting? the fuck? Also, why did noone roleblock you? Because mafia thought (like I did) you're a guy trying to block a hit? That means you're either a VT or a VET to them if they did not roleblock you. Funny sidenote: You claimed to be shot. Why do they shoot you with a single (!) when they think you're a VT OR a Vet? Why not doublestack or roleblock+shoot you? I think you look townie this game but this whole story stinks and you're either as green as you can get or as red as you can get. Sadly I don't know which one yet. | ||
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We won't publish the logs yet because we thought it's a good idea to not give away ALL of our reads just yet, especially the town ones. I'll reread the first log and consider afterwards if I'm going to translate it yet. | ||
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On January 23 2012 02:56 Jayjay54 wrote: just stopping by. he claimed to be shot same day as you did iirc. and shots were missing indeed. no time to check myself...got to finish application I know. That's the reason I'm giving him a chance to explain himself instead of just lynching him. Another thing supersoft asked me was if protact had some hidden reads about people. Like people he checked and tried to breadcrum. I was not able to find something, if you're able to see something tell me. If there's nothing I'd say he either checked GGQ or me. Notice how he was fosing me HARDCORE and at some point in time just stopped and said "don't sweat it, you're town bro" or something like that? Same about GGQ. Protact fosed both of us and I find my explanation plausible but of course that's biased because I'm talking about myself :p | ||
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On January 23 2012 03:08 jaj22 wrote: My scum-VE theory hinged on BM jailing a scum-GGQ on night 2 to protect him from vigs, and I don't have another theory that makes much sense. Surely mafia wouldn't deliberately blow their 4th KP just to give VE a bit of towncred? You're right that it looks weird as hell. Medics covering VE? Mason but no shots from VE? yeah. If BM is townie he could have locked up a townie. I asked him and he did not answer... I don't really know about the 4th shot. Shooting a mafia who is about to be modkilled and even if not modkilled he's about to get lynched is really only wasting a shot. Therefore they could get 1 or maybe even 2 mafias to look like confirmed townies. I think they might have done that with VE but I thought and still think Jackal is town. So for now it's only a fos on VE. Nevertheless I still want to know what's going on in VE-land. | ||
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On January 23 2012 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Bill Murray ##Vote: Double-Lynch WBG still scum, Toad looking really bad for continuing to doubt my claim. BM still gotta die. Thank you, that is all. the fuck. Just explain why you did not shoot and why you never got roleblocked... | ||
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On January 23 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not in the business of killing townies. I prefer to kill scum. My votes reflect that. I'm not sure enough in my reads this game to use the vig power. I masoned BC for the reason that I've been giving all game which is: I hate the fact that we can't DT check BC and I wanted to get a read on him. To me, that's important. Now, clearly you believe my claim - you really wanna go down the road of berating me for my action choices? You'd be calling me scum right now if I'd hit a townie with a vig-shot, now you wanna call me scum for not shooting? I'm calling you a mafia that's afraid to shoot into someone because he has to explain why he shot the guy in the first place. No I would not call you scum if you shot people like Munk-E, Slardar, opz or glurio if one of them flipped green. Yeah shooting into a vet that flipped green would be suspicious but not trying to reduce mafia KP at all really looks weird to me. So no, not shooting at all is way more weird to me than someone who shoots into a lurker that turns out to be a green. | ||
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On January 23 2012 07:00 rgTheSchworz wrote: Jaj22, I thought that he would get RB.But then scum have to use RB every night on him. Now i'm not so sure 3-4 nights of roleblocking are worth a doublestack. they're sniping blues because they think they're blue although they don't know it. That's the difference. If they knew they were blue before the flip they could rb them as well but they don't so rb someone once is not going to be helpful because you have to do the same thing again and won't know shit. | ||
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On January 23 2012 07:42 jaj22 wrote: There are other reasons that VE may not have been roleblocked: 1. Mafia thought VE was probably lying. 2. Mafia thought VE was probably a veteran trying to draw hits. This was dispelled by night 2, I think. 3. Mafia thought VE was likely to shoot a townie. 4. Mafia didn't want to reveal their roleblocker so that they could throw suspicion on a DT or medic later. 1) yeah if they thought so they would have thought it's #2 2) yeah if they thought THAT they would have rb-ed him while shooting because rb eliminates the 2nd live 3) that could be true 4) everyone knows mafia has 1 RB as far as I can see. | ||
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On January 23 2012 07:49 Jackal58 wrote: No it doesn't Mafia Roleblocker Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like to block. That person will be notified that they were blocked, and if the person being blocked has a night action, he or she will not be able to use it. Please note that this ability only pertains to active actions. Passive abilities, such as the Veteran's extra lives, cannot be blocked by mafia. OH, i did not know that | ||
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On January 23 2012 08:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote: jaj, what do you think of these people: Toad, VE, supersoft, risk.nuke and kitaman Said people, what are your opinions on each other and jaj? I'd say everyone but VE is clear townie. VE either is a clear townie or a clear mafia. What jackal said makes it look like I was wrong though on VE though. This still sounds weird but I think it's waaaay less weird now. | ||
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On January 23 2012 08:25 bumatlarge wrote: Oh, he was roleblocked? Lol hiro, something you want to tell us buddy he was rb'ed n3 if I understood it correct. Found sandroba n1 Found a blue n2 roleblocked n3 Obviosuly I don't know if he checked sandroba n1 or n2 (neither do I know if he claimed which night it was by heart). If he did not check roba n1 it's vice versa. Nevertheless, don't tell the name | ||
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On January 23 2012 09:10 rgTheSchworz wrote: I think here supersoft is showing scumsigns.Bc and Foolishness I do suspect, partly because of meta on foolish, he's normally very active as town, and a great town player. This game he has done almost nothing. BC/Foolish are getting too much credit because of Protact right now. Furthermore,unjudgeable means 80% town/20% scum, it's really not profitable to get rid of people randomly. If they're not active they're gonna get modkilled anyway. The solution would be to put the pressure onto these kind of guys,make them post relevant stuff so they can make mistakes. Supersoft looks very scum to me. well we talked about that as well and we just thought that L+sandroba+ another vet sounds reasonable strong but sandro + L + 2 vets would be an overkill imo. Yeah nothing you can go by but I really don't think that we'll end up having something like BC + foolish being mafia as well. | ||
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[QUOTE]On January 22 2012 23:30 supersoft wrote: [QUOTE]On January 22 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote: [QUOTE]On January 14 2012 16:46 sandroba wrote: [QUOTE]On January 14 2012 16:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote: [QUOTE]On January 14 2012 16:26 sandroba wrote: Alright people I want to get elected and no one is fucking voting for me. What do you want me to do so you would fucking vote? Tell me and I'll do it. I have plenty of time right now and I can post random useless shit if that's what get's you voting.[/QUOTE] Turn everything you do into about 3 paragraphs, even if it could have been a line.[/QUOTE] I was walking down the street one day and I suddenly a foul scent hit my nose. I was like what the shit, where the fuck is this coming from? Did I just step on human fesses or what? After checking my feet and realizing it was clean I looked around and spotted a horrid looking creature that dropped 2 terrible posts in the begging of a game then was never heard of again. It was ciryandor. Protact had warned me about his unpleasant presence. Right then I decided I would rid the world of such disturbing annoyance and thus I hit him repeatedly over the head with my grandma's shoes. He finally succumbed, bored into oblivion. I felt victorious after checking my grandma's shoes and realizing a crimson taint had soaked them. Life was good. Being mayor made me proud. The whole idea of being elected to kill some random dude and being able to single handedly execute it was exciting. I stretched out my arm and an eagle landed on it. Fuck yes I'm a boss.[/QUOTE] I just want to remind people that this is probably the fucking funniest thing I've ever read while going back through people's posts. I laughed so hard at this LOL. Anyway, something funny that struck me from sandro's filter is this: [QUOTE]On January 18 2012 03:27 sandroba wrote: Although I'm not entirely convinced that macpo is sure mafia due to sheer terribleness of his insane rambling, we still have to get rid of him at some point due to the amount of players suspicious of him. This talk about no opposition to his lynch is in no way indicative of him being innocent. Mafia is not likely to openly oppose a lynch that has so much support and so far only 28 out of 44 voters have cast their votes. Still I feel way more confident lynching GGQ or L. Double lynch needs at least 9 more votes to go through and I'd really like to get at least one red killed today.[/QUOTE] Like, all the people sandro wants to lynch, I'm pretty sure, were scum; most likely scum that he felt he could not defend any longer. This is actually what sandro does as scum; he busses people like hell because he thinks they are super obvious scum to everyone. Macpo he could not defend because Foolish/Protact attacked him. L he could not defend because everyone saw he was playing the same way he played in Responsibility. Is it a stretch to say that he could not defend GGQ either? I don't think so. Also note how he tells myself, super, and toad to "get off my balls." This makes all 3 of us look far more town. [QUOTE]On January 17 2012 01:26 sandroba wrote: @BC LOL man you could have redacted a few parts from that shit that I don't even remember talking about. WBG, supersoft and toadstem need to get off my balls. My weekends are pretty busy and I did my best with the little time I had. I don't even know why the fuck you are calling me mafia on the first place. As for who I think is mafia I got GGQ, Jackal and rgtICEMAN. I'm going to read dead guy's filters before I choose which one to push today, but they could very easily be all mafia. Brb. [/QUOTE] Also note how he later rescinds his opinion about Jackal (he flips from day 1 liking Jackal to not liking Jackal to being unsure) [QUOTE]On January 17 2012 03:28 sandroba wrote: I'm not quite sure on him because jackal is freaking jackal, but last time he was town i could tell right away and he did put in some effort and got killed early on. He just seems lazy and jumping on convenient stuff and he is back to his usual useless one line posting which he used to do as both alignments. He's either made a step back or he is scum this game, I need more to decide accurately, but I'm leaning scum on him atm.[/QUOTE] whereas for L, GGQ, Macpo, and Ciryandor he's just like "fuck man this guy's scum he smells fucking bad kill him" The only exception is when Macpo is seriously close to dying, then he sheds some doubt on the lynch. Meapak, I think, has been correct about GGQ this entire time, but just hasn't been going about it properly. Of course, our job is easy; if GGQ is not scum, I'm almost 100% sure Meapak is, because that's the only target he's tunneled. The reason I say this is because Meapak has had several days to contribute and yet he's always been focused on tunneling GGQ. Normally I'd be uncomfortable with aligning flips like that, and certainly if GGQ is town it'd be difficult to lynch Meapak (since there are things in Meapak's filter, notably what he said about L, that make him look town) but I think we have to consider the big picture instead of letting little things prevent us from making hard decisions. [/QUOTE] Also I read your logs with Toad and I lol'd at the part you guys talked about me LOL. Toad ist ein Pimmelzwerg! [/QUOTE] That's not a nice thing to say | ||
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On January 23 2012 11:04 p4NDemik wrote: supersoft more logs with toadesstern like you promised would be great. We agreed not to post them until deadline next night. That is before mafia kills people. There is no need to post them right away as clearly neither supersoft nor I am an candidate for lynch. Even if you think otherwise we can at least agree on "we're no lynch candidate for today" because there's bigger fish in here. The reason we don't want to publish more right now is because we are talking about EVERYONE, therefor the majority will be "yeah I think he is town" and we don't want to show mafia where we're right and where we are wrong. That would help them a lot considering night kills. Also my vote on BM is more of a placeholder. I'd really like to lynch someone else first. Slardar looks really bad, so does glurio and opz looks reasonable bad as well. I realy don't like the fact that BC is pushing for a lynch himself when he is one of those who are suspicious. | ||
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well if wbg is able to insult me in german and is able to read the part about him I guess you guys are able to understand it with google translater as well just that you're not curious enough to translate every single line with google? | ||
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Took me some time but I was bored anyways. Idk if I will translate the next logs afterwards :p Here you go: + Show Spoiler + [15:02] <supersoft> scumteamt meeting in here or what' up? [15:02] <Toad|> it' always that crowded [15:02] <supersoft> ok [15:02] <supersoft> let's start [15:02] <Toad|> only eran is new to me [15:02] <supersoft> give me your email [15:02] <supersoft> and I'll send you something [15:02] <Toad|> THAT IS MY EMAIL YOU SPAMMERS [15:02] <Toad|> E-MAIL CENSORED BY SOPA [15:02] <supersoft> so that we can work on it simultaneously [15:04] <supersoft> who died tonight? [15:04] <supersoft> well [15:04] <supersoft> icognito+ [15:05] <Toad|> ggq [15:05] <Toad|> protact [15:05] <Toad|> scamp [15:05] <supersoft> ggq [15:05] <supersoft> k [15:05] <Toad|> already send the file? [15:06] <Toad|> haven't got a thing [15:06] <supersoft> ok now [15:06] <supersoft> just updated it [15:06] <supersoft> those are 3 lists I started early on [15:06] <supersoft> I wanted to talk about those with the ones I masoned [15:06] <supersoft> unfortunately [15:06] <supersoft> I picked L and sandroba [15:07] <supersoft> Those two weren't exactly as cooperative [15:07] <supersoft> as I thought [15:07] <supersoft> and both died pretty fast [15:07] <supersoft> well [15:07] <Toad|> I've still got my problems with VE [15:08] <Toad|> that guy gives me the creeps [dit.cc says it's "to lose it" but that's not really what I was saying] [15:08] <supersoft> ok wait [15:08] <supersoft> my plan is [15:08] <supersoft> every guy [15:08] <supersoft> who did something good [=protown] [15:08] <supersoft> gets out of that list [15:09] <Toad|> good like found mafia or like the guy posts protown? [15:09] <supersoft> yeah exactly [15:09] <supersoft> anyway [15:09] <supersoft> who claimed what? [15:10] <supersoft> Ve was joat right? [15:10] <Toad|> hiro / erandorr are DT and confirmed townie I guess [15:10] <supersoft> jitsu glurio and BC are mason [15:10] <supersoft> yeah [15:10] <supersoft> got that as blue in my list [15:10] <supersoft> have you gotten my list btw? [15:10] <Toad|> yeahyeah [15:11] <supersoft> well [15:11] <supersoft> I made everyone white in my list [15:11] <supersoft> except for eran and kita [15:12] <supersoft> kita is town for me [15:12] <supersoft> because he run for mayor early on [15:12] <supersoft> and cyri attacked him early on [something stronger than attack perhaps] [15:12] <supersoft> and said he'd much rather have sandroba or palmar [15:12] <supersoft> palmar is town [15:12] <Toad|> yeah [15:13] <supersoft> and somehow it wasn't really foreseeable that he's not running for mayor [?!?that's what he said] [15:13] <supersoft> and sandroba flipped mafia [15:13] <Toad|> think kita is town as well and I'm only having a single problem with one of his posts [15:13] <supersoft> which one? [15:13] <Toad|> think he posted early on something along the lines "I won't give you tipps on how to play a blue role or that you should not use your vig-shot n1" in his campaign [15:13] <Toad|> something like that [15:14] <supersoft> yes [15:14] <supersoft> well [15:14] <Toad|> implies pretty hart that he is actually just doing it [15:14] <supersoft> that's usual gossip [15:14] <Toad|> especially with all the blue-sniping in here [15:14] <supersoft> yeah that's right. They haven't killed a mason yet [15:14] <supersoft> well that's kind of obvious [15:14] <supersoft> because I assume [15:14] <supersoft> that all their masons claimed [15:14] <supersoft> and if they start shooting townmasons [15:15] <supersoft> only mafia masons will be left over [15:15] <supersoft> which obviously would suck [15:15] <Toad|> yeah [15:15] <Toad|> but weird [not realy but don't know how to translate that] how many vigs already died [15:15] <supersoft> that'S why I think that at least one out of glurio + jitsu is mafia [15:15] <Toad|> someone knows what he's doing [15:16] <supersoft> 3 vigs right? [15:16] <supersoft> another important thing [15:16] <Toad|> think so [15:16] <supersoft> did incognito interline some weird reads? [15:17] <Toad|> well he gave some reads he didn't really back up [15:17] <supersoft> ok whatever [15:17] <supersoft> look at jayjay [15:17] <supersoft> what do you think? [15:17] <Toad|> jayjay is clear town imo [15:18] <supersoft> good [15:18] <supersoft> same here [15:18] <Toad|> tries to help, seems to be new but he also seems to be open with what he says [15:18] <supersoft> p4ndemic [15:18] <supersoft> (apart from him falling in love with me) [15:18] <Toad|> p4n seems a little strange. I think it's the same as jj but he's overdoing it a little bit. [15:18] <supersoft> yes [15:19] <supersoft> besides [15:19] <Toad|> I'd say town as well [15:19] <supersoft> let's put this log online [15:19] <supersoft> so that jayjay can read this [15:19] <supersoft> and noone else understands it [plan failed] [15:19] <Toad|> yeah [15:19] <supersoft> :D [15:19] <Toad|> kk [15:19] <supersoft> quite convenient [15:19] <supersoft> it's like masoning him as well at the same time [15:19] <Toad|> :D [15:20] <supersoft> ok next [15:20] <supersoft> WBG [15:20] <Toad|> well wbg is obviously hard for me [15:20] <Toad|> talking about staying neutral on him [15:21] <supersoft> try saying something objective [15:21] <supersoft> I got my own thoughts about him [15:21] <supersoft> :D [15:21] <supersoft> I've got to test you a little bit as well :D [15:22] <Toad|> well I think he's tunneling a lot, thinks he's right with everything he says and therefor doesn't listen to other people at all [15:22] <Toad|> but that's what he does as townie [15:22] <supersoft> yeees [15:22] <supersoft> ok [15:22] <supersoft> what wbg does [15:22] <Toad|> I read his filter and besides him tunneling me so much because he doesn't think I'm able to get that d1 read on palmar, I've got nothing that makes him look mafia [15:22] <supersoft> when he's mafia [15:22] <supersoft> he kisses up to people [that's what dict.cc says!] [15:23] <Toad|> well yeah like I mentioned, yes extremly strange and if we find ourselves in a spot like we found 8 mafias and don't know who to lynch next I'm up for a lynch [15:23] <Toad|> but unless that happens I'd say town [15:24] <supersoft> ok [15:24] <supersoft> I had the same feeling [15:25] <supersoft> that he's a townie [15:25] <supersoft> what I don't like about him [15:25] <Toad|> well I'm just remembering something [?!?] [15:25] <Toad|> he too did one single post I did not like [15:25] <supersoft> yes [15:25] <supersoft> that one post in which he mentiones the three of us [15:25] <supersoft> let' me take a look [15:25] <supersoft> that post is extremly strange [15:25] <Toad|> somewhere he posted "sandroba said 'toad, SS und wbg need to get off my balls'" [15:25] <Toad|> exactly [15:25] <supersoft> haha yes [15:26] <supersoft> I have to take a look [15:26] <supersoft> if he's referring to you [15:26] <Toad|> feels extremly contrived [u][?[]/u] as if tries to get towncred [15:26] <supersoft> and says he's wrong about you [15:26] <supersoft> yes [15:26] <supersoft> something like that [15:26] <supersoft> wait [15:26] <supersoft> could be he worde it strange and meant something different [15:27] <Toad|> yeah it just totaly stands out for me [15:27] <Toad|> he's been after me for 3 days [15:27] <Toad|> out of nowhere suddenly posts "oh apropos, that's making us 3 look really good" [15:27] <Toad|> and continues to tunnel me [15:27] <supersoft> yes [15:27] <supersoft> no [15:28] <supersoft> that's badly worded [15:28] <supersoft> he tries to use it as an argument [15:28] <supersoft> against us [15:28] <Toad|> got a link? [15:28] <supersoft> because it makes us look mafia [15:28] <supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=60039¤tpage=All [15:28] <supersoft> bottom 10% [15:28] <supersoft> of that page [15:29] <Toad|> why's my ctrl+f not working anymore? [15:30] <supersoft> I quoted it [15:30] <supersoft> and asked him [15:30] <supersoft> what he wanted to say [15:31] <supersoft> let's wait [15:31] <supersoft> how he responds [15:31] <supersoft> net one [15:31] <Toad|> yes [15:31] <supersoft> risk.nuke [15:31] <Toad|> so if he really wants to say it makes the three of us look good that'S bad for him [15:31] <supersoft> what do you say? [15:31] <Toad|> hard one, had a d1 read [15:31] <Toad|> d1 town read [15:31] <supersoft> ok [15:31] <Toad|> simply because I don't believe a mafia would run a campaign like that [15:32] <supersoft> same here [15:32] <supersoft> yes [15:32] <supersoft> risk.nuke is not really clever [15:32] <supersoft> but nonetheless pretty confident [15:32] <supersoft> somehow his activity his dropping rapidly right now [15:32] <Toad|> yeah [15:32] <supersoft> might be because this game's so big [15:33] <supersoft> he's probably a little overwhelmed [15:33] <Toad|> since d3 I got some mafia vibes from him [15:33] <supersoft> and can't find a guy to tunnel [15:33] <supersoft> yeah doesn't have to be that way [15:33] <supersoft> I'd say town [15:33] <supersoft> simply useless [15:33] <Toad|> well the problem with that d1 read is that if he's really mafia [15:33] <supersoft> that'd mean he's good [15:33] <supersoft> :D [15:33] <Toad|> someone else could have told him to run that campaign [15:33] <supersoft> no [15:34] <supersoft> he did that on his own [15:34] <supersoft> because [15:34] <supersoft> it's clear [15:34] <supersoft> noone is going to vote him [15:34] <supersoft> idk, why should mafia send someone like that to run for mayor [15:34] <supersoft> if he's not going to matter [15:34] <supersoft> basicly that was this kind of an action [15:34] <Toad|> well to confuse people like us :p [15:34] <supersoft> that noone but he himself understands [15:34] <supersoft> yes [15:34] <Toad|> but I think there's no sense in what I said [15:35] <Toad|> they've got the risk to instantly lose a mafia buddy [15:35] <supersoft> yes [15:35] <supersoft> he's just like that [15:35] <Toad|> anf if it works out they got a newby that looks like a townie, wohoo [15:35] <supersoft> in electionmafia [15:35] <supersoft> ist er auch total steil gegangen I really have no idea how to translate that one [15:35] <supersoft> because he thought I bussed 3 of my teammates [15:36] <supersoft> how ever you'd call that in german "bussed" [15:36] <supersoft> "ans messer geliefert" <--- teh german [15:36] <supersoft> just to get some towncred [15:36] <supersoft> that boy [15:36] <supersoft> is just beyond good and evil [15:36] <Toad|> oh, since this is german I don't have to look out who I'm insulting right? [15:37] <Toad|> except for jayjay: if you're reading this, you're awesome :3 [15:37] <Toad|> but yeah, risk is a town read for me, not the best one but I'd say I'm right there [15:38] <supersoft> by the way [15:38] <supersoft> am reading [15:38] <supersoft> opz is mason as well [15:38] <Toad|> do you have some sort of special order in which we're talking about people? [15:38] <Toad|> yes [15:38] <supersoft> well no [15:38] <supersoft> it's random [15:38] <supersoft> just suggest the next one [15:39] <Toad|> only vets and lurker left...^^ [15:39] <supersoft> fuck [15:39] <Toad|> I've got my problems with nisan [15:39] <supersoft> yes [15:39] <Toad|> what do you say? [15:39] <supersoft> that's the kind of guy you can just lynch whenever [15:39] <Toad|> because I can't judge this guy, at all [15:39] <supersoft> no question [15:41] <supersoft> you said somewhere [15:41] <supersoft> you're blue [15:41] <Toad|> am VET [15:41] <Toad|> if that's what you're referring too [15:41] <supersoft> "I know I'm blue as well" [15:41] <Toad|> I claimed that within the thread [15:41] <supersoft> k [15:41] <supersoft> understood [15:41] <supersoft> come on [15:41] <supersoft> I'm not getting all those claimes in time [u][don't know, like it's too many claims][u] [15:42] <supersoft> who claimed as well [15:42] <Toad|> yes [15:42] <Toad|> I wrote them all down [15:42] <Toad|> but I can't use ctrl+f for some reason. If I could I'd just seearch "claim" [15:43] <supersoft> yeah don't sweat it [15:43] <supersoft> okay [15:43] <supersoft> ok [15:44] <Toad|> now it's starting to get hard :p [15:44] <supersoft> seems like we have to get through all the lurkers [15:44] <supersoft> w [15:44] <supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=52329 [15:44] <Toad|> I'd say lanaia is town as well [15:44] <supersoft> go [15:44] <supersoft> yes [15:44] <supersoft> that girl [15:44] <supersoft> :D [15:44] <supersoft> so funny [15:44] <supersoft> in a nother game I... [15:44] <Toad|> well she's so wishy-washy [15:44] <supersoft> YES [15:44] <supersoft> that's her all the time [15:44] <Toad|> with little self confidence as far as I can see [15:44] <supersoft> :D [15:45] <supersoft> yesyesyes [15:45] <supersoft> cute [15:45] <Toad|> she did the same as town in XLVIII [15:46] <supersoft> [censored by sopa!] :p [15:46] <Toad|> oh [15:46] <Toad|> 8( [15:47] <Toad|> yeah thought you're already at jaj22 [15:47] <supersoft> noo [15:47] <supersoft> take a look [15:47] <supersoft> at what he posts about sandroba [15:47] <supersoft> yeah [15:48] <Toad|> when did he join the game? [15:48] <Toad|> d2? [15:48] <supersoft> oh [15:48] <supersoft> who did he replace? [15:48] <supersoft> that's fucked up [15:48] <supersoft> :D [15:48] <supersoft> I thought [15:48] <supersoft> lolol he's starting the game with a defense on sandroba and macpo [15:49] <Toad|> don't know who he replaced right now [15:49] <Toad|> wait think I got that post somewhere [15:50] <Toad|> well seems like no [15:50] <supersoft> nevermind [15:50] <supersoft> anyways [15:50] <supersoft> he'S defending two mafias [15:51] <supersoft> and nails GGQ [15:51] <supersoft> without any analysis [15:51] <Toad|> yeah [15:51] <Toad|> but that already made you and wbg think I'm mafia [15:52] <Toad|> well I thought jaj22 is town until now [15:52] <supersoft> doesn't look like it [15:52] <supersoft> when reading the filter [15:52] <supersoft> :D [15:52] <Toad|> also when he said "@Toad: You know this isn't a majority lynch, right? I don't see any town reason to vote for someone you think is town this early." [15:52] <Toad|> yu think a mafia would post something like that? [15:53] <Toad|> mafia want to place their vote somewhere and he's telling me it's not extended majority? [15:54] <supersoft> uh [15:54] <supersoft> well idk [15:54] <supersoft> why not [15:55] <supersoft> it's just general talk [15:55] <supersoft> that's always easy as mafia [15:55] <Toad|> probably [15:55] <supersoft> as if someone would do that [15:55] <supersoft> it's always like that [15:55] <supersoft> when someone does a plan [15:55] <supersoft> that's never really going to happen [15:55] <Toad|> well he asks a lot of questions [15:56] <Toad|> isn't afraid to attack someone [15:56] <supersoft> wait where [15:56] <Toad|> well he at leasts says a couple of times that I'm talking bullshit [15:57] <supersoft> yes [15:57] <Toad|> talking about modhunting [15:57] <supersoft> well, [15:57] <supersoft> you'll see [15:57] <supersoft> it's getting to hot for him somewhere over here [15:57] <supersoft> he changes sides and starts attacking sandroba [15:57] <supersoft> and that's it with his activity [15:57] <supersoft> :D [15:57] <supersoft> yes [15:58] <supersoft> what do you say about orange? [15:58] <supersoft> as a prestage to mafia? [15:58] <Toad|> " [15:58] <Toad|> What? Toad was trying to protect his scumbuddy GGQ and get his scumbuddies Sandroba and Macpo lynched instead? I don't buy the Palmar lynch influence knowledge point because it's quite plausible that Toad just jumped to a conclusion. I don't think it's even an illogical conclusion from the "compromise" post." [15:58] <Toad|> after protacts case against me [15:58] <Toad|> because protact said I'm mafia, sandroba is mafia, ggq is mafia and macpo is mafia [15:58] <Toad|> which just doesn't make sense at all [15:58] <supersoft> geht [idk] [15:58] <supersoft> lol [15:59] <Toad|> but fine, orange is fine with me [15:59] <Toad|> god, now I have to know who he replaced [16:00] <supersoft> yes [16:00] <supersoft> right [16:00] <supersoft> I'm confused as well [16:00] <supersoft> zeks? [16:01] <Toad|> lol [16:01] <Toad|> both asked at the same time [16:01] <supersoft> that was stupid [16:01] <supersoft> well actually [16:01] <Toad|> know everyone knows you masoned me [16:01] <supersoft> we're going to post the log anyways [16:01] <Toad|> well everyone who read your log will know that anyways [16:02] <supersoft> possibly ^-^ [16:02] <supersoft> I'm posting this log for jayjay. Maybe he can already contribute something. | ||
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On January 23 2012 13:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Everyone needs to read go hiro protagonist's posts post claim and come back and say IN-THREAD that they think that those posts came from a totally inconspicuous DT prior to claim or move their votes to hiro protagonist. Please. okay could you explain me what you are trying to say because I'm not getting it. Read his posts post claim ( = posts after he claimed) and tell me he's incinspicuous prior to claim? So are you telling me "mafia would have shot that if he really would be a DT given how good they bluesniped" ? | ||
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On January 24 2012 01:21 BrownBear wrote: The problem is, because its BM, these aren't scumtells. They're normal BM behavior. And if we have even the slightest lead on anyone else (Meapak, toad, kenpachi, whoever), it's more worth following than just lynching BM. Oh hai there. Would you mind going a little in detail about those "whoever" ? I want to hear some names from who. who's town in your opinion and who's not. | ||
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about Supersoft. I actually had the feeling that he might be mafia yesterday a couple of times because of some odd things but right now I'd say he's a townie. + Show Spoiler + [15:20] <supersoft> ok next [15:20] <supersoft> WBG [15:20] <Toad|> well wbg is obviously hard for me [15:20] <Toad|> talking about staying neutral on him [15:21] <supersoft> try saying something objective [15:21] <supersoft> I got my own thoughts about him [15:21] <supersoft> :D [15:21] <supersoft> I've got to test you a little bit as well :D [15:22] <Toad|> well I think he's tunneling a lot, thinks he's right with everything he says and therefor doesn't listen to other people at all [15:22] <Toad|> but that's what he does as townie [15:22] <supersoft> yeees [15:22] <supersoft> ok [15:22] <supersoft> what wbg does [15:22] <Toad|> I read his filter and besides him tunneling me so much because he doesn't think I'm able to get that d1 read on palmar, I've got nothing that makes him look mafia [15:22] <supersoft> when he's mafia [15:22] <supersoft> he kisses up to people [that's what dict.cc says!] [15:23] <Toad|> well yeah like I mentioned, yes extremly strange and if we find ourselves in a spot like we found 8 mafias and don't know who to lynch next I'm up for a lynch [15:23] <Toad|> but unless that happens I'd say town [15:24] <supersoft> ok [15:24] <supersoft> I had the same feeling [15:25] <supersoft> that he's a townie [15:25] <supersoft> what I don't like about him [15:25] <Toad|> well I'm just remembering something [?!?] [15:25] <Toad|> he too did one single post I did not like [15:25] <supersoft> yes [15:25] <supersoft> that one post in which he mentiones the three of us [15:25] <supersoft> let' me take a look [15:25] <supersoft> that post is extremly strange [15:25] <Toad|> somewhere he posted "sandroba said 'toad, SS und wbg need to get off my balls'" [15:25] <Toad|> exactly [15:25] <supersoft> haha yes My irc logs don't have seconds in their timestamps but that happened within seconds. There's no way he could have said that in time after what I said about that post or vice versa. He found the very same post I was going to talk about. He thought as well that post is at least weird. That's a pretty funny "town-slip" imo. It's like catching palmar saying something that proves that he is actually reading filters and / or the thread. Mafia palmar does neither of that and therefore it's a "towntell". | ||
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On January 24 2012 02:37 Jayjay54 wrote: About the german log (reading it from the top and typing some comments on my way): VE: yea, he’s hard to read. He’s overaggressive and I’ve no idea why. He pushes his own agenda really hard, I’m not sure if he wants to overcompensate, if you know what I mean. Might be scum. Kita: uncontest shot n1. Clear Town. Jayjay: yup that guy is clear town. He also posts awesome. P4n: kind of had a townread on him, then he went on a little rampage yesterday or so. Still have a town read, but I’m not that sure anymore. WBG: Null read. He’s very vocal. I feel I don’t know him enough to judge him…sorry Nuke: yup, you’re right. <3 Nisani: lurks a lot, but if he posts, posts towny => Town to me. Lanaia: town, with little activity. Speak up girl . Und: Benehmt euch! Jaj21: that particular post was a little unfortunate, but I got a town vibe from him. He seems to be constructive. Zeks: hardcore lurker. Coinflip I guess…. that's it...Really want to read the rest. Hab den part über sie in englisch zensiert. Everything's fine! :p And yeah jaj21 is pretty much the only one ss and I have different opinion on. He said he wants him yellow, I said fine and later on I thought fuck it and made him light green again. I'd really say he's a townie. But Supersoft thinks otherwise. And as mentioned the rest will be delivered at the deadline before mafia kills people. We already gave out to much information and the only reason I translated it is because it's not exactly hard to ctrl+f a name and search for either "Mafia" or "town" after that particular name. So mafia probably knows what we're thinking and posting that log early on was shitty. | ||
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On January 24 2012 02:39 Jayjay54 wrote: btw: are you guys sure about the double lynch? What are we gonna do with it? hit some lurkers? I feel like there is some serious sheeping going on. I'm going to get BC lynched if BM flips green and someone like glurio, Slardar or opz. If BM flips red we're fine and got enough information to get 2 decent mafias. | ||
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On January 24 2012 06:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Two more people, I think the last two scum will be in the: bum, bb, nisani201, munk-e, and kenpachi crowd. I'll need to take a closer look at these people and weed out the scum from there. I'm kind of agreeing with that one. I just did a list of who's probably mafia myself and got 7 names which means one of them is wrong. I actually only got 5 names and a phrase "2 out of kenpachi, nisani, bum, BM". So for me BM is kind of a coinflip. I however got BC on my list, which makes it a lot of wifom wether he's bussing someone to get towncred or if he's trying to just get another townie lynched (if BM flips green that's 3 townies in a row BC killed, but again, only if BM flipps town). | ||
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I know bc claimed mason I know opz claimed mason I know jitsu claimed mason I know supersoft claimed mason am I missing someone? | ||
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BC Supersoft opz jitsu glurio I'd say out of those two BC & opz sounds reasonable or only BC. This is speculation but let me explain my train of thoughts: What we lynched so far: Godfather + Goon + Goon + Goon So 6 people are left and we only found 1 powerrole, their beloved godfather. Let's just assume mafia HAS at least 1 mason. Do you think they would give mason powers to people like jitsu? I mean mason? They could give him another power role, no problem because those new people get away with lurking way more than people like BC. Therefore he's more safe and they can talk about how he would use it. Let me get this clear: I am NOT sayin jitsu is mafia, it's a thought experiment (wtf, dict.cc says it's "Gedankenexperiment" in english as well? That's german :p ). Especially mason is hard to do for new players so BC makes perfect sense. Also Godfather on L makes perfect sense if BC is mayor because they don't need to godfather BC if he gets mayor. He's immune to DT's. Given what I just said and yes it is speculation it sounds perfectly reasonable that BC might as well be a Mason and those other 3 power roles might or might now be hidden within lurkers. However again, I doubt mafia would give people like glurio or jitsu mason. I could see opz or Supersoft as reasonable but other than that? Of course that implies that there's no other masons around who did not claim until now but since noone said a thing I'd say there's noone left. If there is another mason or you've been masoned by someone you're a moron and need to tell us. I really don't see how mafia gave mason powers to someone like I already mentioned. Why did L flip without mason? Why did Sandroba flip without mason? Because there's another good player in here who's got mason powers, and that player is BC. | ||
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On January 24 2012 07:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: well toad allow me to speculate as well. If BC is mafia then he had to spend literally hours faking a chat log with sandroba. HOURS. do you get how long they talked? And how casually as well? That's not something that can just get faked like that. Maybe I'm getting played like a boss, however I cannot mentally accept that BC and sandroba faked that entire convo when both were scum. Now let's talk opz. He's a vet, he's been around for several years iirc. If you think that a mason has to be a vet then opz fits your bill just about as well as BC. This is completely ignoring play as well. I would argue that BC has been more or less helpful to the town, meanwhile opz has been fairly bad. Also since we're speculating, no one who's gone after BC hardcore has ended up dead. Meanwhile the person who went after opz the hardest ended up dead. Just consider that while we're speculating toad That goes out to both, you and BC: Yes I considered opz as well, that's why I said "probably BC + opz or only BC" early on. It's not even meant to be a case to lynch someone but rather a defence. I thought glurio might be scummy but given what I just said I'm not going to lynch him, same with jitsu and cwave because I don't think mafia would chose them to be masons at all. It's a fos and something to discuss about. Yeah I see the problems you mention BC and those are the reason I haven't said that I want to lynch you. | ||
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if BM flips green I'd like to lynch BC+opz tomorrow. If BM flips red I'd like to lynch ops + someone else | ||
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Well what about the fact that you lynched 2 townies so far? What happens if BM flips green? A green hattrick? We probably not going to get someone else lynched but if that happens you're going to hang. What about the fact that you've done nearly nothing for town so far? Sure you're mason and have important stuff to do in pm-land but that's also a nice excuse isn't it? What about the fact that you said early on that we won't lynch someone today but BC (if I recall correctly here) and for the rest of the day you've been standing next to us, doing nothing but watching the thread? Sure that's what a townie does. What about all your talk with foolish and protact? Am I the only one who thinks that you're desperatly trying to get towncred? Like you really HAVE TO point out that you're so protown? | ||
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On January 24 2012 07:43 Toadesstern wrote: and about solid reasons about BC: Well what about the fact that you lynched 2 townies so far? What happens if BM flips green? A green hattrick? We probably not going to get someone else lynched but if that happens you're going to hang. What about the fact that you've done nearly nothing for town so far? Sure you're mason and have important stuff to do in pm-land but that's also a nice excuse isn't it? What about the fact that you said early on that we won't lynch someone today but BM (if I recall correctly here) and for the rest of the day you've been standing next to us, doing nothing but watching the thread? Sure that's what a townie does. What about all your talk with foolish and protact? Am I the only one who thinks that you're desperatly trying to get towncred? Like you really HAVE TO point out that you're so protown? EBWOP | ||
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It's a part of todays log (I'm only quoting the part I need to quote) both in german and english, it's really short because I did those posts on BC on purpose: + Show Spoiler [german] + Session Start: Mon Jan 23 23:35:36 2012 Session Ident: supers [23:35] Session Ident: supers (QuakeNet, Toad|)(censored) [23:36] <supers> also warte [23:36] <supers> sehr geil [23:36] <supers> dein post ist richtig gut angekommen [23:37] <supers> das lockt die ganzen trottel aus ihren löchern [23:37] <supers> perfekt 01[23:37] <Toad|> ja wollte was zum diskutieren kriegen [23:37] <supers> sogar slardar lässt sich zu einem kommentar hinreißen 01[23:37] <Toad|> und endlich was von BC hören [23:37] <supers> ja!!!!! [23:37] <supers> extrem gut [23:37] <supers> wir machen das noch weiter [23:37] <supers> also 01[23:37] <Toad|> also hab ich einfach mal die logischen lücken ignoriert [23:37] <supers> du machst BC noch ein bisschen an 01[23:37] <Toad|> und hoffe dass mich keiner dafür lyncht :D [23:37] <supers> nein [23:37] <supers> weil ich ja beweisen kann, [23:37] <supers> dass du das absichtlich machst [23:37] <supers> um diskussion zu erzeugen [23:37] <supers> das ist perfekt [23:38] <supers> so machen wirs [23:38] <supers> mach mal weiter [23:38] <supers> und wir schaun [23:38] <supers> wer drauf anspringt [23:38] <supers> wenn BC town ist [23:38] <supers> dann macht die mafia da mit [23:38] <supers> die müssen ihn anschiessen [23:38] <supers> wenn danach rauskommt, dass du das nur gefaked hast [23:38] <supers> dann stehen sie komplett nakt da censored by sopa [23:39] <supers> BM ist wahrscheinlich einfach nur ein idiot [23:39] <supers> er könnte noch von Nutzen sein [23:40] <supers> wenn nicht dann nicht [23:42] <supers> slardar war orange [23:42] <supers> ay ay ay [23:52] <supers> haha [23:53] <supers> okay du solltest es lassen ^_^ censored by sopa [23:53] <supers> lass es mal noch ne stunde dahinstehen [23:53] <supers> ich bin ma ne runde LOL nerden [23:53] <supers> ^_:^ 01[23:53] <Toad|> :p + Show Spoiler [english] + Session Start: Mon Jan 23 23:35:36 2012 Session Ident: supers [23:35] Session Ident: supers (QuakeNet, Toad|) (webchat@XXXXXXXX) [23:35] <supers> sehr gut - 01[23:35] supers is webchat@XXXXXXXXX * http://webchat.quakenet.org 01[23:35] supers on #TLMafia 01[23:35] supers using *.quakenet.org QuakeNet IRC Server 01[23:35] supers End of /WHOIS list. - 01[23:36] <Toad|> yeah thought the same when I read that post [23:36] <supers> ok wait [23:36] <supers> really awesome [23:36] <supers> your post got a lot of attention [23:37] <supers> it gets all those fools crawl out of their holes [23:37] <supers> perfect 01[23:37] <Toad|> yeah wanted to generate something for discussion [23:37] <supers> even slardar is posting something 01[23:37] <Toad|> and get some information about BC [23:37] <supers> yes!!!!! [23:37] <supers> really awesome [23:37] <supers> we're going to continue with that [23:37] <supers> ok 01[23:37] <Toad|> so I just ignored everything that's not making sense [23:37] <supers> keep on hitting BC 01[23:37] <Toad|> and I hope that noone is going to get my lynched for that :p [23:37] <supers> no [23:37] <supers> I can prove [23:37] <supers> that you did that on purpose [23:37] <supers> to generate some discussion [23:37] <supers> that's perfect [23:38] <supers> that's how we're going to proceed [23:38] <supers> keep on going [23:38] <supers> and we'll see [23:38] <supers> who jumps on that [23:38] <supers> if BC's town [23:38] <supers> mafia will want to get on that [23:38] <supers> they have to discredit him [23:38] <supers> later when everyone knows this was faked [23:38] <supers> they'll be completly fucked censored by sopa! [23:39] <supers> BM's probably just an idiot [23:39] <supers> and might come in handy [23:40] <supers> if not who cares [23:42] <supers> slardar was orange [23:42] <supers> ay ay ay [23:52] <supers> haha [23:53] <supers> okay you should stop ^-^ censored by sopa! [23:53] <supers> just wait for another hour [23:53] <supers> I'm playing LOL [23:53] <supers> ^_:^ 01[23:53] <Toad|> :p censored reads about townies a bit and only included the important stuff. So yeah. It was meant to generate some discussion and get people take somebody's side. Even got slardar talking so yeah, sry for looking so foolish but I really did want to get some information and I did not think that we could or even should try to avoid a BM lynch, because the situation about him is not going to get better and we'd have the exact same situation tomorrow again. | ||
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On January 24 2012 11:22 jcarlsoniv wrote: Let me elaborate. I did not personally tell the bodyguards that they are. Whether or not flamewheel did, I do not know. that's kind of important to know right now | ||
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just a question, did you read what I posted about those BC-posts? | ||
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you haven't given me a single reason why you think I am mafia, same goes for wbg. VE thinks I'm mafia because I did not believe his claim because of that random pattern+ I did not know you can't RB vets, which was a huge deal for me because that explains why mafia did not RB him. But yeah sure, lynch the guy who lynched macpo, made everyone voted Sandroba and lynched BM. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP Forgot the third name Kenpachi. Of the bgs he seems the shiftiest. other names that stand out fast, lanaia, bum, slardar. pretty much agree here, However I'd swap lanaia with nisani. So for me it's opz,glurio, 1 or 2 out of (kenpachi+bum+nisani) | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:18 wherebugsgo wrote: BC that's two reads, not 3... lul also I agree with you. The third I'd say is a toss up between like, Brownbear, Echelontee, vaderseven, and Toad. Ofc I'm only including Toad in there now because it's been fun trolling him for the past day when I actually haven't even believed he's scum. oh come on screw you. People like VE and Jitsu are actually believing what you're saying... You think it's going to be helpful when we try to get opz lynched tomorrow and CC, VE and jitsu are voting me instead? | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:22 Jitsu wrote: Other than the fact that you purposefully try to take credit for Red kills? Try to shove suspicion away from Bill Murray (also voting for him in as Sheriff) and discredit BC endlessly? I just looked back three pages out of 19 in you're filter. It all seems forced. Stop looking at shit you think you should take credit for and actually do legit scum-hunting please. Ok because I don't think you're doing that on purpose. Read the filter again. Look for something with 2 spoilers that says "german" and "english". What you said is explained in there. It was a plan supersoft and I did on purpose and I posted bullshit about BC to get some information and to get people take a stand. Just do me the favor and read the english one before you keep on saying I'm mafia for no reason. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:25 Jitsu wrote: Nervous aggression. I think OpZ is mafia too. Infact, the three reds I have are Glurio, OpZ, and you. We also have a double lynch tomorrow. just read what i posted... | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:28 evantrees wrote: skiped a little too far saw multiple red names moved it back up, though bill was mad hatter for a minute.... This is really not helping your case to me at least, and others apparently. because there is no case and I can't adress something that's not there. I already explained the part about BC and everyone is ignoring me. I voted BM into office, my bad, that's the entire case on me. | ||
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On January 24 2012 10:15 Toadesstern wrote: Btw since noone is talking about my posts about BC anymore and one guy even called me (rightfully, because it was complete bullshit) out for it I might as well post it :p It's a part of todays log (I'm only quoting the part I need to quote) both in german and english, it's really short because I did those posts on BC on purpose: + Show Spoiler [german] + Session Start: Mon Jan 23 23:35:36 2012 Session Ident: supers [23:35] Session Ident: supers (QuakeNet, Toad|)(censored) [23:36] <supers> also warte [23:36] <supers> sehr geil [23:36] <supers> dein post ist richtig gut angekommen [23:37] <supers> das lockt die ganzen trottel aus ihren löchern [23:37] <supers> perfekt 01[23:37] <Toad|> ja wollte was zum diskutieren kriegen [23:37] <supers> sogar slardar lässt sich zu einem kommentar hinreißen 01[23:37] <Toad|> und endlich was von BC hören [23:37] <supers> ja!!!!! [23:37] <supers> extrem gut [23:37] <supers> wir machen das noch weiter [23:37] <supers> also 01[23:37] <Toad|> also hab ich einfach mal die logischen lücken ignoriert [23:37] <supers> du machst BC noch ein bisschen an 01[23:37] <Toad|> und hoffe dass mich keiner dafür lyncht :D [23:37] <supers> nein [23:37] <supers> weil ich ja beweisen kann, [23:37] <supers> dass du das absichtlich machst [23:37] <supers> um diskussion zu erzeugen [23:37] <supers> das ist perfekt [23:38] <supers> so machen wirs [23:38] <supers> mach mal weiter [23:38] <supers> und wir schaun [23:38] <supers> wer drauf anspringt [23:38] <supers> wenn BC town ist [23:38] <supers> dann macht die mafia da mit [23:38] <supers> die müssen ihn anschiessen [23:38] <supers> wenn danach rauskommt, dass du das nur gefaked hast [23:38] <supers> dann stehen sie komplett nakt da censored by sopa [23:39] <supers> BM ist wahrscheinlich einfach nur ein idiot [23:39] <supers> er könnte noch von Nutzen sein [23:40] <supers> wenn nicht dann nicht [23:42] <supers> slardar war orange [23:42] <supers> ay ay ay [23:52] <supers> haha [23:53] <supers> okay du solltest es lassen ^_^ censored by sopa [23:53] <supers> lass es mal noch ne stunde dahinstehen [23:53] <supers> ich bin ma ne runde LOL nerden [23:53] <supers> ^_:^ 01[23:53] <Toad|> :p + Show Spoiler [english] + Session Start: Mon Jan 23 23:35:36 2012 Session Ident: supers [23:35] Session Ident: supers (QuakeNet, Toad|) (webchat@XXXXXXXX) [23:35] <supers> sehr gut - 01[23:35] supers is webchat@XXXXXXXXX * http://webchat.quakenet.org 01[23:35] supers on #TLMafia 01[23:35] supers using *.quakenet.org QuakeNet IRC Server 01[23:35] supers End of /WHOIS list. - 01[23:36] <Toad|> yeah thought the same when I read that post [23:36] <supers> ok wait [23:36] <supers> really awesome [23:36] <supers> your post got a lot of attention [23:37] <supers> it gets all those fools crawl out of their holes [23:37] <supers> perfect 01[23:37] <Toad|> yeah wanted to generate something for discussion [23:37] <supers> even slardar is posting something 01[23:37] <Toad|> and get some information about BC [23:37] <supers> yes!!!!! [23:37] <supers> really awesome [23:37] <supers> we're going to continue with that [23:37] <supers> ok 01[23:37] <Toad|> so I just ignored everything that's not making sense [23:37] <supers> keep on hitting BC 01[23:37] <Toad|> and I hope that noone is going to get my lynched for that :p [23:37] <supers> no [23:37] <supers> I can prove [23:37] <supers> that you did that on purpose [23:37] <supers> to generate some discussion [23:37] <supers> that's perfect [23:38] <supers> that's how we're going to proceed [23:38] <supers> keep on going [23:38] <supers> and we'll see [23:38] <supers> who jumps on that [23:38] <supers> if BC's town [23:38] <supers> mafia will want to get on that [23:38] <supers> they have to discredit him [23:38] <supers> later when everyone knows this was faked [23:38] <supers> they'll be completly fucked censored by sopa! [23:39] <supers> BM's probably just an idiot [23:39] <supers> and might come in handy [23:40] <supers> if not who cares [23:42] <supers> slardar was orange [23:42] <supers> ay ay ay [23:52] <supers> haha [23:53] <supers> okay you should stop ^-^ censored by sopa! [23:53] <supers> just wait for another hour [23:53] <supers> I'm playing LOL [23:53] <supers> ^_:^ 01[23:53] <Toad|> :p censored reads about townies a bit and only included the important stuff. So yeah. It was meant to generate some discussion and get people take somebody's side. Even got slardar talking so yeah, sry for looking so foolish but I really did want to get some information and I did not think that we could or even should try to avoid a BM lynch, because the situation about him is not going to get better and we'd have the exact same situation tomorrow again. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:50 bumatlarge wrote: Oh, well then don't reveal. At all. If it was green, you obviously do, (maybe mason or vig you could reveal). But any other blue role I would keep secluded. IMO. You did say it was green before. Was their reasoning for lying? even if it's a green he should not have told us until right before deadline, unless of course that guy was up for lynch. No need in telling mafia who to shoot | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:58 bumatlarge wrote: No. If he checked a green, he needed to say who it was yesterday, because if he was lying we would know there is scum between two people. If hiro really was a DT and checked someone and they said he lied, we would have outed either another GF. If hiro was lying, we would only risk an actual vanilla role. yeah I was talking about yesterday. I was just pointing it out because it looked like you're saying talking about right away. I just wanted to say that even a green should not be published before deadline but that's obsolet now | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:38 Jitsu wrote: I don't see how the fact that Super was telling you to continue tunneling BC clears you of anything, Toad. Looking back, I don't really see that much presence on a BC bandwagon except for you "faking" it. You could just use that whole conversation between you and Super as a Get Out Of Lynch card. He was the one talking, you were the one agreeing. Oh and because I did answer that one: I think "confirming" 3 people is pretty good. meapak should be pretty green giving what he sad, same with BC and slardar only looks worse than he did before. | ||
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On January 24 2012 13:15 Jitsu wrote: We're in the business of finding and lynching scum. Not finding people we think are town. The only reason I would look for town players is process of elimination scum. So? What do you think I might do? fogure out who's town and who's not to know who I'm shooting? Of course I'm trying to figure out who's town because that means that I don't have to think about them when trying to figure out scum. | ||
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On January 24 2012 13:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: -_- The fact that neither foolishness or protract are on that prot list makes me sad yeah but jayjay and p4n are both good choices as well. Just not vets :p So no problem for me. He looked green before "claiming" medic and this list makes sense, confirmed townie that is most likely going to be shot tonight. (wifomwifom!) | ||
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On January 24 2012 13:38 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Moreover, they were people I wasn't told to heal. If there was one thing I could change, I regret Protract dying. Healing the mafia godfather comes second though I figured scum were avoiding people on the protect lists judging by the night 1/2 kills, and I couldn't imagine a protect list that didn't include him, so that definitely factored in. At any rate, what's done is done. More importantly. Hiro being confirmed means they have a roleblocker. I don't know. Bc said mafia might not have a RB but I don't see a reason why they should not. For all we know hiro could have been roleblocked bye BM yeah but why should they chose to not get a RB? Our OP says that they can have 1 out of each powerrole so it's either 4 powerroles + 6 goons or 3 powerroles + 7 goons. Why should they chose to pick a goon instead of an RB? Becaue they could say in 1/7 of the cases "hey, that's probably just a miller" ? I don't think they're that afraid of dts :D | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:03 p4NDemik wrote: Foolishness you have a lot more explaining and scumhunting to do to get of the fucking hook. I'm very angry at you. Town, I'm angry for you not pushing him farther than this: There comes a time with a red-looking dirtbag has to meet his maker. Foolishness your time is nigh. Step up and give me more defense or die tomorrow. why are you attack foolish We've got 3 poeple for 2 mafia spots and 3 more people for the last one. Not that foolish is somehow looking red or something but just saying. However I haven't finished looking into Brownbear and EchelonTee, so those 3 people for 2 mafia spots might grow to 4 people but I doubt it. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:03 p4NDemik wrote: Foolishness you have a lot more explaining and scumhunting to do to get of the fucking hook. I'm very angry at you. Town, I'm angry for you not pushing him farther than this: There comes a time with a red-looking dirtbag has to meet his maker. Foolishness your time is nigh. Step up and give me more defense or die tomorrow. why do you attack foolish We've got 3 poeple for 2 mafia spots and 3 more people for the last one. Not that foolish is somehow looking red or something but just saying. However I haven't finished looking into Brownbear and EchelonTee, so those 3 people for 2 mafia spots might grow to 4 people but I doubt it.[/QUOTE] EBWOP :p | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:07 bumatlarge wrote: Guys, I'm a medic, i protected kita night 1, VE night 2, and protact night 3. We need to lynch BC Another thing Do people who get saved get a pm? Last time I was medic I had to ask this because it wasn't mentioned anywhere and I assume that it's the same in this game that means: If someone gets shot the guy protected gets a PM If someone gets shot the guy protecting gets a PM If someone gets protected but not shot noone get's a PM Is that right? If that's how it's done VE should have an easy time confirming that because he should have a pm saying that he was protected while using his joat powers himself. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:15 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...Dude...You're like my number one scum read. Besides Meapak. yo dude man, you can't just bus me what are you doing man! | ||
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I'm so going to get you lynched next game no matter what. Also I demand that observer / dead people QT | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:27 Slardar wrote: I CALLED IT! GEEEEE GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Also Toad and Lanaia damn wrong BAM! Notes - Who was responsible for those amazing blue snipes? I want to hear this. yeah I really did not think they got nisani AND bum. I thought it's only one of them (or kenpachi) + opz and you were one of the few ones that wasn't clear townie That's what supersoft and I did while masoning: We still had not talked about some people so that's why there's white in there. I really thought it's opz + one yellow guy + one orange guy and didn't think it's glurio. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:36 Slardar wrote: Oh Ok, I thought other than the otherwise obvious tomfoolery the first day, I was trying to be pro-town. Although BC called it right in the chatlogs, I'm just a newb who ran for Mayor for fun. supersoft and I wanted to force you to claim tomorrow btw :p | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:44 wherebugsgo wrote: I caught opz and bum day 1 but then I tunneled Palmar too hard. And I kept forgetting bum. Man -_- ah well. Sorry guys for the lack of effort I had this game. I would have rather been playing in a mini game anyway and this might be the last game of this size I choose to play. I don't enjoy any games larger than 20 players anymore. GG to all! after all this you're not feeling like "hey sry toad"? Did you realy do that on purpose to troll me ? | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:49 Slardar wrote: Well what then..... probably no matter what I would have said you would have construed it as a scummy response, no? Hypothetically I would've just said I'd flip Green and it would be uneventful, or along those lines. If the BM lynch didn't go as planned and we didn't get the 2 scum modkills I would have been frantically trying to defend myself and just call out Townie, but now that 3 Mafia were left, the game was pretty much in the bag. kind of. SS said you're medic or mafia or weird. I said you're mafia or weird and okay'ed this medic thing SS was talking about. The thing that got us thinking you're mafia is because 1) you did a really strange campaign early on and kind of implied that you're not going to talk about your reads 2) you posted somewhere that you would like to lynch someone for information about BC. You're a new guy and we just didn't think a new guy would be lynching someone for information but instead take a look at how things are done the first few days and obsever. | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:04 wherebugsgo wrote: I just said no one was listening to me because I was wrong lol. I accept I played badly, I even admitted n1 no one was going to listen to me because I was wrong about Palmar. That's the misfortune of being a vocal player; if you're wrong once, no one ever listens to you again. That's why players like Foolishness are so good and renowned; they're rarely wrong the first time. I'm going to be more modest the next game but I was really raging mad because of you lol. When there was like 3 people attacking me d2 I stopped taking notes and only went by gutfeeling :p | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:06 Slardar wrote: After Foolishness posted I'd be easy to read, I sent him a PM asking if he knew me outside the game. (Didn't ask or talk about anything directly related to the game.) 1) Yeah, it was sort of a throwaway / have fun/ shot in the dark to see if it would catch any steam. The read part was a bit foolish, but since I was new I didn't want to throw out reads since I'm inexperienced, wanted to sit back and watch. I felt I'd probably be more of a detriment and add to the chaos if I was too active too early. 2) Yeah, I wanted to lynch ~OpZ~ because Sheth put a very decent read on the situation and it would have cleared BC at the time. (At least in my eyes). Relatively long after OpZ made a reasonable defense post, and Sheth passed away so I backed off from him. 3) I love how the analysis is I'm Scum, Mafia, or Weird not a Newb. LOL the hell with you two I'm always polite when talking about other people when they're not around, unlike supersoft. That's why I censored that part about lanaia lol | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:13 Protactinium wrote: Also, everyone who wanted to kill BC/Me/Foolishness after Day 2 -_- I never tried to kill BC, I only tried to get information from people and everyone tried to kill me because of that (and wbg had a hand in that as well) | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote: You did that to yourself with the continually mentioning perfect reads (which is actually impressive now that you've flipped) Yeah that mistake won't happen again. I'm just going to quote what I pm'ed wbg: Original Message From Toadesstern: yeah don't sweat it. Mostly I was mad because I thought my case on sandroba was good and everyone said it's bullshit. So that really was the reason I thought "well I'm going to prove them I'm not bullshit" which did not turn out that well :p I mean d1 everyone was like "well Toad is talking bullshit, that guy is bad or mafia" and d2 everyone was like "ok that guy is way too much right for a noob and points that out way too much" and I was just like + Show Spoiler + I really was pissed that I was being bitchslapped and felt the need to emphasize that I'm not doing bullshit :/ | ||
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TheMarshalPerson: jaj22 is scum Funny part about this is, that this is like his one and only post int that observer QT he did that had a read in it right? :p | ||
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I really was scared after seeing something like 5 modkills that I'm going to lose another game because of that but this time mafia got fucked as even more lol. | ||
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On January 25 2012 05:44 jaj22 wrote: @Hiro: That's tough. I don't think there was much real evidence against Sandroba except general post quality, as he was effectively playing solo and calling players as he saw them. I suppose you could have dug up his (town) Mini Mafia X game for comparison, as the distinction is striking. I still think his trolling is a sign for mafia beause imo he starts doing that a lot as mafia when he wants to say something and needs to conceil the fact that he basicly has nothing. I mean when he was asked to stop bullshitting around and explain his thought on cyri and why he thinks he's mafia he refused to do so and said "well because he's ugly and smells". I really think town sandroba would have posted a couple of lines to explain his thought, at least when directly asked, but apperently everyone else thought it's fine | ||
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On January 25 2012 06:39 Toadesstern wrote: I still think his trolling is a sign for mafia beause imo he starts doing that a lot as mafia when he wants to say something and needs to conceil the fact that he basicly has nothing. I mean when he was asked to stop bullshitting around and explain his thought on cyri and why he thinks he's mafia he refused to do so and said "well because he's ugly and smells". I really think town sandroba would have posted a couple of lines to explain his thought, at least when directly asked, but apperently everyone else thought it's fine but then again, palmar was pretty much the same and only the fact that he tried that last game as town as well made me wonder :p So I guess I had a lucky day with my reads, could have been the other way around as well. | ||
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On January 25 2012 07:53 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Only if he had said it from the get-go IMO. I figured he meant me about halfway through day 4, and knew he was going to reveal me as medic, I just wanted to see it come out correctly to be sure of him. I was tossing up whether to disagree with him, and push him for lynch before revealing day 5, or whether to full claim night 4 like I did, and then I realised mafia would know it was the truth. yeah but noone should have asked him about the 2nd check in the first place. He clearly was town after sandroba imo and everything else he posted was clearly pro-town so I don't know why people doubted hiro at all. | ||
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But that's just my opinion, we had more than enough information to get 90% of people confirmed townie | ||
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