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1) There are a LOT of mayoral candidates. Many of them seem to have prepared their candidacy prior to the game. Candidacies prepared prior to the game don't give us any information (insofar as submitting candidature goes) because they are done in the absence of role or alignment information. The surplus of candidates as well as the pre-prepared quality of many indicates that candidacy itself is devalued in this game. 2) Of those 'immediate' candidacies, Foolishness's is the most peculiar on its face, I honestly don't understand why someone would prepare a post to push for someone in the absence of role information, but my best guess is that he wanted to run himself, then got masoned or masoned someone else. 3) Mattchew releases a pm between him and Foolishness that states straight up that Bill Murray will be easy to control. No one comments on this. 4) On page 39 its stated that roles who get elected cannot be roleblocked; All of the current candidates for mayor are crumbing or have claimed roles that don't benefit from this. This issue is brought up a grand total of ONCE in the 12 pages since then and not discussed any further. 5) There are a LOT of chaff posts in this thread. A lot of larger posts are similarly filled with repetitive content. 6) The most interesting of the semi-chaff posts are the cloaked kingmakers. Posts like "Oh, the race is already over, X or Z is going to win". Why are they interesting? Because the leading candidate currently has 10% of the popular vote and mafia's potential to swing votes is grossly disproportionate to the amount of votes cast thusfar. 7) No one seems particularly 'pressed' with respect to the vote totals, which indicates that everyone's roughly happy with the way things are or at least not hurried enough to make a play yet. Given how strong the election roles are, this means mafia has likely captured at least one of the frontrunner spots at this point in time. This also means that mafia is doubly happy to throw out cloaked kingmakers as they clutter the thread, remove an incentive for people to participate AND lead them to an election result that they're comfortable with. 8) A grand total of one post stands out in my memory regarding the timing of votes and stated that people should be throwing down their votes asap to prevent the election from getting hijacked by a mafia swing. No one picked up on it and there was a burst of posting to bury it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So, what does this tell me? Tells me two things: 1) People need to vote. Now. 2) I'm voting for me. L for Mayor. 3) The best defensive votes statistically are on players who currently aren't winning but posted pre-canned candidacies. The best offensive votes are on players who have crumbed a role that isn't mason. P.S. Rainbow text is fucking hard. | ||
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BC is currently sitting in the lead with 5 votes. Both of Foolishness' puppets, if you will, Mattchew and Bill Murray are sitting at 3 apiece. Proactinium also has 3. Basically there are 4 people who are 'out front' with a total of 14 votes down between them. Thread tone indicates that at least one or more of them is mafia. We'd have a better shot of keeping our elected office clean by throwing the offices to random people (20% chance vs. 25%+ chance), and that's not a good thing. | ||
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On January 15 2012 00:57 Jayjay54 wrote: Also. L you can't actually vote for yourself buddy  so pick another candidate Crud. Really bogus. Using the above logic to inform my lynch, I'd probably shoot one of the four people I mentioned as frontrunners, but that's assuming nothing else comes up in the period from now until then. Most of the arguments posted in the thread thusfar with respect to lynch choice are rather weak. But s'ok. I got you covered, bros. | ||
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On January 15 2012 01:16 risk.nuke wrote: Wasn't actually ment to post yet so ebwop and here is the follow-up part. I agree it's really about time to get the candidate numbers down, and start discussing. People needed to have voted by now so we could have had a decent idea of where people were standing, L I think you just might be alittle late to the race to run for mayor now. Abot this. What do you want to do, elect a dt? 1) Its not too late. The VAST majority of votes have yet to go out. This is a cloaked kingmaker post. Everyone else, please note that. 2) What do I want to do? Get elected and elect legitimate and upstanding individuals such as myself to the esteemed offices of Liquidia. On January 15 2012 01:31 Jayjay54 wrote: Actually, the only one I really want to lynch right now is BC. read my filter. I stated a lot of solid arguements to say why. Read my filter for more information. So please don't say I have rather weak arguements when I in fact made some solid points on BC. I kinda liked your posting until this part. Way too defensive. I stated the majority of the argumentation in the THREAD was weak and you took it as a personal attack. Odd. | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:05 Mattchew wrote: You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player. The bolded portion is a flat out lie as well as a cloaked kingmaker. You're now my lynch target if elected. | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:14 Toadesstern wrote: so VE you thought you're a dayvig and in reality you're not? Wtf is going on with this town people. Mass claims, mass fails, blues being modkilled, blue outing they vig-power and bc managed to get town discussing a whole day about pussy-masons. The only thing that could go worse would be Palmar stepping into this thread, threatening X to do Y or else he will dayvig him and X ends up dayvigging Z. Srsly guys wtf is wrong with you tonight  Hi there! If you'd like to post in the thread, feel free to add content rather than remarking that things are bad. Watch what I do, okay? VE, Are you going to shoot CC tonight? See? Content! | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm done for now. I've embarrassed myself enough for one day. /facepalm No, no. Answer my question. Are you shooting CC tonight? | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:24 Toadesstern wrote: awesome. Let the guy who just claimed vig now claim who he is about to shoot so that mafia does not even have to wifom about if he's going to shoot or not but only has to wifom about VE really is "smart" enough to pull a drazerk on us or not. I mean you just asked a vig (if that's right) who he is about to shoot. I'll repeat it: You are asking a vig who he is about to shoot wtf is going on. Someone just made a claim to the strongest town role in the thread. He has multiple avenues to confirm his role if he's not lying. No shit I'm going to ask him if he's going to shoot THE PERSON HE ALREADY TRIED TO SHOOT. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Seriously guys this is all hands on deck. I'm very town and I'm very Jack. I need to be mayor. VOTES ON VE GOGOGO This isn't me trying to leverage my role to win the election - if I wanted to do that I would have done that already and not called BC out on it right after his claim. This is me trying to keep one of our most powerful roles IN THE GAME. I'm not going to do anymore stupid shit if you elect me. I'll vote for you if you figure out a snazzy plan to confirm that you aren't bullshitting about your role. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Before election? I suppose I could waste one of my powers to mason you...but that doesn't confirm shit to the rest of the thread. I could shoot someone of town's choice, but that wouldn't prove shit until after elections... I don't know man, the sheer idiocy of the claim isn't proof enough? I herped HARD. Not before the election. That's just crazy talk. | ||
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He can't prove his alignment, he can only prove his role. Unless he donks a mafia with his night hit, which still doesn't confirm anything but makes it reaaaaally probable that he's town. On January 15 2012 06:54 Lanaia wrote: I really liked L up until he asked about the vig shot. However, he's redeemed himself since in my eyes. I like his posting style. I really like me too, but this line is very strange. How exactly did I 'redeem' myself and why would asking someone who just tried to shoot someone if they're going to shoot that person when their shot is available be a tell either way? On January 15 2012 07:06 Kurumi wrote: fml Kenpachi has been marked for death! Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do. | ||
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As for everyone else, remember that I'm an even better choice, so vote for me and whatnot. Lates! | ||
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On January 15 2012 20:36 Jayjay54 wrote: If you had bothered to think about the situation, the 'why would you' portion might become a bit clearer. 7) L: Still haven’t forgotten the fact the he asked our vig who to shoot and I don’t want anyone to forget about it. He did provide one post on that topic: That is one weak explanation. This action is nowhere near town. Seriously. Why would you? If you want to confirm a role, the shot has to be posted right at the deadline or even a few minutes afterwards. This was either puuuuure stupidity. Or actually a scumslip. Also if you want to look http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=66 You can see a small bandwagon of possible L voters in three posts. Really Opz, Jitsu and Supersoft are indeed not on my green townie town list right now. Might be coincidence and I probably would have ignored it, if the persons joining the L train would be different. But its pretty clear that you haven't and that you're tunnelling off a suspicion you've been nursing. Your last line is pretty hilarious, because you pretty much say it overtly. But have no fear, I'll explain the rest once day rolls around if I'm still alive. If I'm dead, by contrast, please get to the bottom of the VE saga. Tea and crumpets will be had. Cheerio. | ||
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On January 16 2012 02:11 Jayjay54 wrote: I am not a hugh fan of the "please think about it and you'll see why" solution. Please enlighten me. It looks stupid to me and to others as well. In what way am I tunneling you? I even state that it might be a stupid mistake. If you have a reasonable explanation, even better. I know you might not be a huge fan of having to think, but you'll have to make due with that until day rolls around, mon ami. Why would you you need that information during the night cycle anyways, hmm? I could play dumb and pretend there's no possible reason a townie would want that kind of information and then extrapolate into calling you scum. Who would that remind you of? | ||
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On January 16 2012 02:54 Jayjay54 wrote: Why is my quoting not working? it showed up properly in ther preview. Man, don't attack me on a personal level. Keep it on game level. I thought about it and it makes no sense, you don't want to provide information, alright. But then don't complain, if this seems odd. And the last paragraph: Yeah I agree, we should only do scumhunting in the day cycle. That way we have way more time...wait what? Man, Enter the clueless/hurt card at this point. You've put zero analysis other than "I CANT FIGURE IT OUT" into your claim, and you've been tunneled on the issue for around 30% of your posting history. I dont' even have an argument to refute other than your claim that "you don't like the post". Dude, sick scumhunting. Especially the part wherein you attempt to pressure me into giving information about someone who claimed jack during the game phase wherein he might die. I think I'm done even bothering to reply to this thread-clutter until you make an argument or day rolls around. Ciao until morning! | ||
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On January 16 2012 03:58 Jayjay54 wrote: If you ask a vig who is going to shoot and he answers truthfully, you prevented a nightshot. So there is no real perspective townwise. It was a bad town play. That is my arguement and you don't really bother to try to explain that move with anything else than "if you would be smart enough, you'd know what I did that for". bravo. You finally stated your argument! It goes like this: L wanted to know about the shot. Knowing about the shot would be antitown because it could be prevented. L therefore asked an antitown question. Awesome. I was hoping there was more beef in your stew, but I'll make due with what you've given me. First off, lets note that your premise, that I asked a vig who he's going to shoot, is wrong. I asked a vig if he was going to shoot a specific person who he had tried to shoot already. Misrepresenting my position and pushing your argument based on that is a no-no. Either way, if the answer is no, so be it. But lets assume your worst case scenario: he says yes and the shot is prevented. Now further assume that some people might think CC isn't mafia. There are more complex arguments regarding why blues would benefit from the information and how clearing up VE's claim asap should have been at the center of the mayoral debate regardless of CC's alignment. There's also a few setups for hit soaks which are substantially pro-town if you think that VE would lie about his hit or that he's actually a vet trying to absorb a hit. I don't think they're necessary to show how simplistic your argument is. Its enough that if CC isn't mafia that preventing his death is beneficial. The fact that not a single one of these things cropped up into your head indicates that you had some assumptions regarding the alignment of certain players when you entered into your analysis. | ||
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On January 16 2012 12:10 Incognito wrote: L is apathetic and has done nothing for the town while attempting to hide that he is doing so. 1) No. 2) Aren't you proactiwhatever? | ||
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On January 16 2012 12:24 Protactinium wrote: Well I hope you can read it objectively. On a side note, note L's apathetic response. Lets vote for a double lynch today. Its more like "L's waiting for the day, because if he points out how horrendous your argument is, then ends up dying, you might get bussed for being terrible rather than scum on the flip". Believe it or not, if you bother reading my posts, they explain things. | ||
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