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On January 16 2012 01:49 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 01:43 risk.nuke wrote:
Look I won't bitch with you two, alot of people seem convinced jayjay is town for very inadequate reasons. Which is scummy in itself because first of all smart townies doesn't let the scum know who they have townreads on. That is just bad town play.
Speaking of it bad play that brings us to rg. Distinguishing bad townie play from scum play is very hard and as for now rG might very well just be a bad townie.
But I'm watching you. depends. If you want to lynch someone I got a townread on I'm going to tell you to shut the fuck up because I think he's a townie. So no telling people your townreads is obviously not always bad. Furthermore it makes reading BM pretty nice. Depending on where I disagree or agree I'm able to say he's probably town or mafia.
Yeah, when a person is about to face lynching thats a different situation but I shouldn't need to explain everything as if you were in kindergarten most people here are adults with a higher then average iq.
Saying you have a townread on someone who isn't under suspicion or face the threat of a lynch is superbad townplay. Saying you have a townread on someone under suspicion is also bad play because if they are under suspicion that's great. That means they won't get nightkilled and they are safe untill someone pushes for a lynch, and then you can tell em. Shout it from a mountaincliff or whatever.
(Ofcourse there are also variables like sometimes you want everyone to know a person is safe to ensure he gets medic protection etc, we don't need to discuss or mention all of these because we can simply apply logic to most of that.)
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On January 15 2012 20:36 Jayjay54 wrote:7) L: Still haven’t forgotten the fact the he asked our vig who to shoot and I don’t want anyone to forget about it. He did provide one post on that topic: Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:13 L wrote:On January 15 2012 05:24 Toadesstern wrote:On January 15 2012 05:16 L wrote:On January 15 2012 05:14 Toadesstern wrote:so VE you thought you're a dayvig and in reality you're not? Wtf is going on with this town people. Mass claims, mass fails, blues being modkilled, blue outing they vig-power and bc managed to get town discussing a whole day about pussy-masons. The only thing that could go worse would be Palmar stepping into this thread, threatening X to do Y or else he will dayvig him and X ends up dayvigging Z. Srsly guys wtf is wrong with you tonight  Hi there! If you'd like to post in the thread, feel free to add content rather than remarking that things are bad. Watch what I do, okay? VE, Are you going to shoot CC tonight? See? Content! awesome. Let the guy who just claimed vig now claim who he is about to shoot so that mafia does not even have to wifom about if he's going to shoot or not but only has to wifom about VE really is "smart" enough to pull a drazerk on us or not. I mean you just asked a vig (if that's right) who he is about to shoot. I'll repeat it: You are asking a vig who he is about to shootwtf is going on. Someone just made a claim to the strongest town role in the thread. He has multiple avenues to confirm his role if he's not lying. No shit I'm going to ask him if he's going to shoot THE PERSON HE ALREADY TRIED TO SHOOT. That is one weak explanation. This action is nowhere near town. Seriously. Why would you? If you want to confirm a role, the shot has to be posted right at the deadline or even a few minutes afterwards. This was either puuuuure stupidity. Or actually a scumslip. Also if you want to look http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=66You can see a small bandwagon of possible L voters in three posts. Really Opz, Jitsu and Supersoft are indeed not on my green townie town list right now. Might be coincidence and I probably would have ignored it, if the persons joining the L train would be different. If you had bothered to think about the situation, the 'why would you' portion might become a bit clearer.
But its pretty clear that you haven't and that you're tunnelling off a suspicion you've been nursing. Your last line is pretty hilarious, because you pretty much say it overtly. But have no fear, I'll explain the rest once day rolls around if I'm still alive. If I'm dead, by contrast, please get to the bottom of the VE saga. Tea and crumpets will be had. Cheerio.
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On January 16 2012 01:52 Toadesstern wrote:
btw I'm not convinced risk.nuke is mafia at all :p
I'd gladly lynch scumdroba or bum. I think sandroba is more scummy however I am a little afraid that we might end up lynching a townie because BC might be a mafia too. If BC's a mafia I don' think sandroba is mafia.
Conclusion: I want to lynch sandroba. I'd rather not risk lynching BC so early and lynching sandroba is way better information for us while giving pretty decent chance to hit a red mine
As I said, me neither. I think he's bad town and I don't want to push a lynch here.
Sandroba is interesting. He actively pushed BCs mason discussion. Proposed the mass claim. Then comes this post:
On January 14 2012 15:49 sandroba wrote:Nah you don't interest me. Plus I wish I could. Maybe I can. Who the fuck knows.
Here, his behaviour contradicts with his mass claim demand. Weird.
What also worries me is that we didn't see a single PM of the masoning between Sandro and BC. It was announced somewhere small in a wall of text, many people (including me) didn't even find. Sandro doesn't mention that he was masoned at all. Why wouldn't you post the PMs? This question is not meant in a "what's going on?" way and not in accusing way. Well, maybe a little accusing.
Also, note this post here:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2012 04:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 04:50 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 15 2012 04:36 Toadesstern wrote:On January 15 2012 04:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 15 2012 04:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 15 2012 04:24 Toadesstern wrote:On January 15 2012 04:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 15 2012 04:01 Toadesstern wrote:
and re. I'll be voting BM right now. d1 (like RL-d1) I thought it's the most horrible thing possible but he gives me townvibes.
There's no way I will vote for sandro, bc or bum because I think either 1 or 2 out of them is scum and the mafia out of those is trying to screw with me / us.
I just don't want to vote into that triangle of I-don't-know.
wbg would be an alternative but I've got more of an stubborn-palmar read than a useless-palmar read and I'd like to lynch someone else d1. If possible someone who's not a vet and leave palmar for d2.
Wiggles and kita didn't say a lot lately so although I (somehow) got a townfeeling out of that much nothing I'd much rather vote someone else.
Mattchew and VE a re both town but I'd rather have someone else in that position imo.
Oh and everyone who got no mention either is hard to judge for me or is not worth a mention. Deal with it :p
Still catching up. I'm reading the last 2 pages, I'm eating and I will post a little bit more if needed. I'll take that as me being too awesome for your judgement or something. I'd like to hear from Foolishness now. What made it seem like a good idea to make Mattchew run for mayor, over equally active people she had more history with? Why is she interested in controlling Bill Murray? actually yeah. I have no idea what you're up to at this point in time. I'm going to quote from my sheet: 7. Cyber_Cheese
I haven o idea
no idea at all I tried several times to get something about you going but I never was able to put something into words. You're like THE nullread I have in this game and I don't know why I have so much trouble to figure you out. Want to to me a faver and tell me real fast who you want to lynch and who's the best mayor in your opinion (other than yourself) ? I don't really want to read your filter again right now Mayor, I honestly have no idea. I was pretty close to going for Mattchew after he explained how he got to choosing Foolishness. I suppose BC doesn't seem like the bad choice people make him out to be, I feel like he's explained his plan enough. Lynch... Probably VisceraEyes or Risk.Nuke, for starting a mayorial campaign and giving up on it. To clarify the lynch. I want the scummiest person who ran for mayor. I'm just not sure who that is at the moment. Sandroba seems like a decent option. so that's sandroba for lynch, VE for lynch or risk nuke for lynch and BC for mayor? Or was sandroba another viable option for mayor for you? I actually like the lynch the mayor candidate plan. But I really think that scum would bet on their best horse. So if there's one scum mayor candidate, it would be a well established player IMO. That leaves us with? BC? Sandro? unlikely sandro. In a game with meapak, myself, BM, incog, and L would make far better "horses" than sandro We are all higher profile players and at least of the 5, 3 of us have decent scum games. Sandro has less experience in both town and mafia compared to the rest of us.
seemed a little off as well, BC instantly jumping in to defend Sandro.
If I am wrong here, please correct me, as I might have missed something.
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@Jackal Ip check if it's helpful, else post behaviour check.
Considering he has few posts it shouldn't take long to analyze.
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[QUOTE]On January 16 2012 02:06 L wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 15 2012 20:36 Jayjay54 wrote:
7) L: Still haven’t forgotten the fact the he asked our vig who to shoot and I don’t want anyone to forget about it. He did provide one post on that topic:
[QUOTE]On January 15 2012 06:13 L wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 15 2012 05:24 Toadesstern wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 15 2012 05:16 L wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 15 2012 05:14 Toadesstern wrote:
so VE you thought you're a dayvig and in reality you're not? Wtf is going on with this town people. Mass claims, mass fails, blues being modkilled, blue outing they vig-power and bc managed to get town discussing a whole day about pussy-masons.
The only thing that could go worse would be Palmar stepping into this thread, threatening X to do Y or else he will dayvig him and X ends up dayvigging Z.
Srsly guys wtf is wrong with you tonight [/QUOTE]
Hi there!
If you'd like to post in the thread, feel free to add content rather than remarking that things are bad. Watch what I do, okay?
VE, Are you going to shoot CC tonight?
See? Content!
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awesome. Let the guy who just claimed vig now claim who he is about to shoot so that mafia does not even have to wifom about if he's going to shoot or not but only has to wifom about VE really is "smart" enough to pull a drazerk on us or not.
I mean you just asked a vig (if that's right) who he is about to shoot. I'll repeat it: You are asking a vig who he is about to shoot
wtf is going on.[/QUOTE]
Someone just made a claim to the strongest town role in the thread. He has multiple avenues to confirm his role if he's not lying.
No shit I'm going to ask him if he's going to shoot THE PERSON HE ALREADY TRIED TO SHOOT. [/QUOTE]
That is one weak explanation. This action is nowhere near town. Seriously. Why would you? If you want to confirm a role, the shot has to be posted right at the deadline or even a few minutes afterwards.
This was either puuuuure stupidity. Or actually a scumslip.
Also if you want to look [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=66]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=66[/url]
You can see a small bandwagon of possible L voters in three posts. Really Opz, Jitsu and Supersoft are indeed not on my green townie town list right now. Might be coincidence and I probably would have ignored it, if the persons joining the L train would be different.
[/QUOTE]If you had bothered to think about the situation, the 'why would you' portion might become a bit clearer.
But its pretty clear that you haven't and that you're tunnelling off a suspicion you've been nursing. Your last line is pretty hilarious, because you pretty much say it overtly. But have no fear, I'll explain the rest once day rolls around if I'm still alive. If I'm dead, by contrast, please get to the bottom of the VE saga. Tea and crumpets will be had. Cheerio.[/QUOTE
I am not a hugh fan of the "please think about it and you'll see why" solution. Please enlighten me. It looks stupid to me and to others as well.
In what way am I tunneling you? I even state that it might be a stupid mistake. If you have a reasonable explanation, even better.
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Townies read this.
If you think someone is scum. Don't say I think he is scum. Quote, point out and explain where and what it is that this person have done to make you feel a certain way.
If you find the manner of how someone post suspicious. Explain why. Make sure that the reader can follow your train of thoughts and understand how you came to your conclusion.
If you think anything at all about someone else and you want to comment on it. Ask yourself before you finnish typing.
Have I Quoted?
Have I explained my views clearly?
Have I pointed out or marked key parts.
Hae my train of thoughts been clear?
If everyone only did this it would make the scums life alot harder.
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Ok, I feel I have now to address some critiques which got louder and louder to the point that I am close to being lynched.
As far as my friendly tone is concerned, please first have a look at my previous posts in the mafia section, and you will see that I am not "faking" this for the purposes of the game (unless I had foreseen before actually starting the game that it would help being mafia later).
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133814¤tpage=27
or, in the beginning of this thread, before day 1.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=16
For further psychological profiling, if you really want to go that far, have a look at the zerg help me thread in sc2 strategy section.
Do you guys remember that it is completely normal to be modest and friendly when you arrive somewhere? Think about it: you get on a forum you don't know anything about, how can you even think about doing this weird shit you all do, like random accusations every 2 seconds? I didn't suspect not doing this would bring me into huge trouble, and that insulting and accusing everyone was the way to go. So I feel it's kind of unfair to make me reproaches in this regard.
About lists: what's wrong with lists, BM did a list… nobody complains… I still don't get the point. The truth is, I really don't know how to identify who is mafia. I have read many guides on TL, or even on mafia wiki, but hey! it's a lot of (often contradictory) information. Even the vocabulary is a pain in the ass, as I have to go on mafiawiki every two posts to understand what you are talking about.
Now I feel my only chance is to be as transparent as possible. So here I am: my strategy was two sided.
1.I should be honest and rational (the simpler, the better), as the first thing you read in guides is that mafia was always trying to flood/spam/lack of argumentation. So I kind of spoke my mind, and especially shared my uncertainties (only liars want to appear to be certain). I tried to do some constructive stuff, at my skill level, like going through the filter and gather information on who is posting and who is not; instead of saying "=> YOU are guilty", without any kind of evidence as so many did, with the brilliant results we know. I am still not sure why I should give up this attitude, as I feel it's more constructive than lots of other stuff.
Some people say I didn't want to take responsibility, but that's precisely being responsible: not to attack without any kind of reason. Not to mention the fact that I was one of the first to vote, for Bill Murray (who so nicely now wants to kill me).
2. Also, I definitely tried to make friends so that we can back up each other in case we were under attack (like Mr Wiggles and Echelon toe); I take that from my experience of previous games where it is essential (for those knowing Junta). Maybe it's a bit clumsy, it obviously didn't work, but hey! can you even call a piece of argument against me?
But now, because of all this, I feel badly trapped!
So I beg you kindly: don't lynch me! If there is any other evidence or question I can answer to, in order to prove my innocence, just let me know. But please (and I don't want to be excessive, but I am afraid it's gonna end up like that) don't make a stalinian trial like you seem to do all the time:
"YOU ARE guilty Macpo
- No no I am not? I didn't do anything, I wasn't even there!
- WHY do you even defend yourself, if you are not guilty??? YOU ARE guilty!
As a sidenote, let me give my case against jayjay, because I don't give up on scumhunting!
1. as I said yesterday, he constantly spammed all around to say empty things. A lot. changing his mind very often, and so on.
2. he asked for mass mason claim, he could be looking for blue roles. The most funny part is him attacking Sandroba a couple of posts later for doing the same thing.
3. last but not least, he took part in the lynch of Palmar.
[QUOTE]On January 14 2012 02:30 Jayjay54 wrote:
" 3) Palmar.
To quote Entourage: “E doesn’t talk”. He made some one liners, but compared to TL-Mafia 48 (I believe…) it’s just nothing. One can see why you wouldn’t go for the mayor after this trouble. Still, this is very little which could well mean that he is blue and not try to get spotlighted or just what some guys have been posting, that he’s mafia and doesn’t really care at all. Needs more posts to be computed."
4. true he voted for mattchew before he got modkilled, but this could just be the opportunity of his scumlife.
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and solidarity to risk nuke, who is suffering as I am 
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On January 16 2012 02:11 Jayjay54 wrote:
I am not a hugh fan of the "please think about it and you'll see why" solution. Please enlighten me. It looks stupid to me and to others as well.
In what way am I tunneling you? I even state that it might be a stupid mistake. If you have a reasonable explanation, even better.
I know you might not be a huge fan of having to think, but you'll have to make due with that until day rolls around, mon ami.
Why would you you need that information during the night cycle anyways, hmm? I could play dumb and pretend there's no possible reason a townie would want that kind of information and then extrapolate into calling you scum. Who would that remind you of?
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On January 16 2012 01:20 rgTheSchworz wrote:Ok, I see you have responded.Good, first things first: I noticed you actually only contribute when you are threatened.Your post confirms that.Suspicious but not nearly enough to make a case. Then You proceed by attacking your attackers, namely JayJay and me. Show nested quote +
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On January 15 2012 02:29 Jayjay54 wrote:
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On January 15 2012 02:17 risk.nuke wrote:
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He made some bad posts and then disappears, agree. It's odd, but some people have to do stuff on the weekend. He's def a candidate though - Jay
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I just realised this. Look at my posthistory and tell me if you would describe it as "I made some bad posts".
SCUM for softdefending me without seeing my filter.
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I don't know, if I should respond to that. L had a point and called me out for a reason. I like to clarify things then. And it is important to do so.
But your accusation is clearly OMGUS. I didn't even really accuse you and said you might be busy during the weekend. Who are you to tell me that I didn't look into your filter and that I don't keep a spreadsheet? That's just not right. Also, notice how I said bad, not scummy.
So a) you're campaign "always a townie" was just. well, bad. I didn't like it, it felt generic, it was badly formated and it lacked a solid gameplan.
b) calling out rgSchworz because he didn't like your campaign either in a very agressive and condescending way. again, not even really scummy. just bad.
All in all yeah, I think you are one candidate to look out for. After this post even more. Although, and I repeat myself here, I don't even think you're scummy, but you seem scummy, because your posts lack quality.
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What omgus are you speaking of? Try to get into my head as I am getting into his head. He is doing a typical scum-move, softdefend the townie, In itself it's not a scummy move. Scum loves to do this but townies do this to and that is not what I am reacting on. Here is the thing. Jay refered to my posts as bad. Which to anyone who looks at them could see they are clearly not bad. They are few but there isn't a single irrelevant/bad post in there. So why would anyone call them bad? Well they wouldn't. So why would Jay defend me without reading my filter. Well because he is scum and therefor know I am town and unluckily assumed that the reason I was looked at was a bad post. He was beeing uncarefull and made a scumslip. And Jay haven't accused me so how can It be omgus. Look at the mass contradictions in his followup post. "I wasn't accusing you, but this is omgus" and "I don't think you're scum but you're scummy" <--- WHAT?
He is also bringing up rgSchwors which makes no sense unless perhaps feels it's more pro-town to ignore attacks on you.
I was just arguing/discussion with rhSchwors when he attacked my candidacy which is the natural thing to do. He's just trying hard to make me look bad.
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On January 15 2012 02:32 Mattchew wrote:
yay for risk.nuke and jayjay tunneling one another because they disagree
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mattchew, he might be tunneling the me, but I am clearly not tunneling him with one post. Why on earth did you make a post like that for because it's purpose seemed to be to minimize, lessen and prevent discussion of this. Which seems incredibly biased.
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If I'm elected I'll lynch Jay, I support BC for the election stronger then before because of jay's efforts against him.
You're working based on the assumption that your posts are awesome, which they are not. You have started a campaign then continued by NOT PUTTING ANY EFFORT.You accuse JayJay on no basis, instead making the assumption that he's scum to explain your POV. Show nested quote +Also scumpoints for using the awesome scumterm "we should" rather then "I will".
Utter bullshit.You want to basically isolate me by telling me to use,, I will''. And you know that without town's support, you're free to live another day. SCUM
He still hasn't explained this different forum formatting, I vote lynch this guy
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@macpo. answers in red
[QUOTE]On January 16 2012 02:19 Macpo wrote:
Ok, I feel I have now to address some critiques which got louder and louder to the point that I am close to being lynched.
As far as my friendly tone is concerned, please first have a look at my previous posts in the mafia section, and you will see that I am not "faking" this for the purposes of the game (unless I had foreseen before actually starting the game that it would help being mafia later).
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133814¤tpage=27]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133814¤tpage=27[/url]
or, in the beginning of this thread, before day 1.
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=16]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=16[/url]
For further psychological profiling, if you really want to go that far, have a look at the zerg help me thread in sc2 strategy section.
Do you guys remember that it is completely normal to be modest and friendly when you arrive somewhere? Think about it: you get on a forum you don't know anything about, how can you even think about doing this weird shit you all do, like random accusations every 2 seconds? I didn't suspect not doing this would bring me into huge trouble, and that insulting and accusing everyone was the way to go. So I feel it's kind of unfair to make me reproaches in this regard.
About lists: what's wrong with lists, BM did a list… nobody complains… I still don't get the point. The truth is, I really don't know how to identify who is mafia. I have read many guides on TL, or even on mafia wiki, but hey! it's a lot of (often contradictory) information. Even the vocabulary is a pain in the ass, as I have to go on mafiawiki every two posts to understand what you are talking about.
If you read that many mafia guides, you probably know, that you never should stress being a newbie and apologizing. As a town player, you want to have people on your side. It is important that people have faith in you and therefore you have to convey faith in yourself, which you don't. That is why, people accusing you. Not because you are friendly, but because you constantly make yourself done.
The difference between your list and BMs list, is that BMs showed what he actually thinks (or what he wants us to believe what he thinks) while your list just gathered information. Again, if you read the guides, a normal scum thing. Because you seem to provide information when you actually don't.
So if I'd play just by those guides, you are acting like the total scum. Seriously, go ahead and check the guide in this subforum out. You'll find yourself there.
Now I feel my only chance is to be as transparent as possible. So here I am: my strategy was two sided.
1.I should be honest and rational (the simpler, the better), as the first thing you read in guides is that mafia was always trying to flood/spam/lack of argumentation. So I kind of spoke my mind, and especially shared my uncertainties (only liars want to appear to be certain). I tried to do some constructive stuff, at my skill level, like going through the filter and gather information on who is posting and who is not; instead of saying "=> YOU are guilty", without any kind of evidence as so many did, with the brilliant results we know. I am still not sure why I should give up this attitude, as I feel it's more constructive than lots of other stuff.
Some people say I didn't want to take responsibility, but that's precisely being responsible: not to attack without any kind of reason. Not to mention the fact that I was one of the first to vote, for Bill Murray (who so nicely now wants to kill me).
2. Also, I definitely tried to make friends so that we can back up each other in case we were under attack (like Mr Wiggles and Echelon toe); I take that from my experience of previous games where it is essential (for those knowing Junta). Maybe it's a bit clumsy, it obviously didn't work, but hey! can you even call a piece of argument against me?
But now, because of all this, I feel badly trapped!
So I beg you kindly: don't lynch me! If there is any other evidence or question I can answer to, in order to prove my innocence, just let me know. But please (and I don't want to be excessive, but I am afraid it's gonna end up like that) don't make a stalinian trial like you seem to do all the time:
"YOU ARE guilty Macpo
- No no I am not? I didn't do anything, I wasn't even there!
- WHY do you even defend yourself, if you are not guilty??? YOU ARE guilty!
I kind of answered it above
As a sidenote, let me give my case against jayjay, because I don't give up on scumhunting!
1. as I said yesterday, he constantly spammed all around to say empty things. A lot. changing his mind very often, and so on.
I change my mind very often? Can you give examples?
Of course I don't see people as I did see them friday. It is normal that you have different reads on people after 30 more pages of thread, isn't it?
2. he asked for mass mason claim, he could be looking for blue roles. The most funny part is him attacking Sandroba a couple of posts later for doing the same thing.
What is right here, is that I supported the mass claim. What is wrong here, is that you say I attack Sandroba because of it.
If you read my post properly, I say it's strange that Sandroby first demanded the mass claim and then makes a posts how he might be a mason. This is contradictory.
3. last but not least, he took part in the lynch of Palmar.
[QUOTE]On January 14 2012 02:30 Jayjay54 wrote:
" 3) Palmar.
To quote Entourage: “E doesn’t talk”. He made some one liners, but compared to TL-Mafia 48 (I believe…) it’s just nothing. One can see why you wouldn’t go for the mayor after this trouble. Still, this is very little which could well mean that he is blue and not try to get spotlighted or just what some guys have been posting, that he’s mafia and doesn’t really care at all. Needs more posts to be computed."
That was my very first post in this game. It is on page 31. How does this have anything to do with the lynch? Palmar stepped up and started to talk. I didn't even vote BC. Hell, I didn't even know that anyone actually wanted to lynch Palmar.
Moreover "Still, this is very little which could well mean that he is blue and not try to get spotlighted or just what some guys have been posting, that he’s mafia and doesn’t really care at all. Needs more posts to be computed." is not really a push for a lynch.
Come on.
4. true he voted for mattchew before he got modkilled, but this could just be the opportunity of his scumlife.
Yeah, pushing hard for a town mayor, gambling that he might be modkilled, so I can shine in innocence? That's thinking out of the scum box
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Why is my quoting not working? it showed up properly in ther preview.
On January 16 2012 02:33 L wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:11 Jayjay54 wrote:
I am not a hugh fan of the "please think about it and you'll see why" solution. Please enlighten me. It looks stupid to me and to others as well.
In what way am I tunneling you? I even state that it might be a stupid mistake. If you have a reasonable explanation, even better.
I know you might not be a huge fan of having to think, but you'll have to make due with that until day rolls around, mon ami. Why would you you need that information during the night cycle anyways, hmm? I could play dumb and pretend there's no possible reason a townie would want that kind of information and then extrapolate into calling you scum. Who would that remind you of?
Man, don't attack me on a personal level. Keep it on game level.
I thought about it and it makes no sense, you don't want to provide information, alright. But then don't complain, if this seems odd.
And the last paragraph: Yeah I agree, we should only do scumhunting in the day cycle. That way we have way more time...wait what?
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OK, first of all, you guys have to figure out the quoting problems. I can barely read any of what you guys are saying because you're fucking up the quote tags.
In other news, I don't think that WBG is scum. His case against Palmar met a lot of (valid) opposition but he kept pushing it, which is very town (especially for WBG), and a scum WBG would have backed off.
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About 7.5 hours left in the night phase. Make sure you PM your night actions to both flamewheel and myself.
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On January 16 2012 02:54 Jayjay54 wrote:Why is my quoting not working? it showed up properly in ther preview. Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:33 L wrote:On January 16 2012 02:11 Jayjay54 wrote:
I am not a hugh fan of the "please think about it and you'll see why" solution. Please enlighten me. It looks stupid to me and to others as well.
In what way am I tunneling you? I even state that it might be a stupid mistake. If you have a reasonable explanation, even better.
I know you might not be a huge fan of having to think, but you'll have to make due with that until day rolls around, mon ami. Why would you you need that information during the night cycle anyways, hmm? I could play dumb and pretend there's no possible reason a townie would want that kind of information and then extrapolate into calling you scum. Who would that remind you of? Man, don't attack me on a personal level. Keep it on game level. I thought about it and it makes no sense, you don't want to provide information, alright. But then don't complain, if this seems odd. And the last paragraph: Yeah I agree, we should only do scumhunting in the day cycle. That way we have way more time...wait what?
Man,
Enter the clueless/hurt card at this point. You've put zero analysis other than "I CANT FIGURE IT OUT" into your claim, and you've been tunneled on the issue for around 30% of your posting history. I dont' even have an argument to refute other than your claim that "you don't like the post".
Dude, sick scumhunting. Especially the part wherein you attempt to pressure me into giving information about someone who claimed jack during the game phase wherein he might die.
I think I'm done even bothering to reply to this thread-clutter until you make an argument or day rolls around.
Ciao until morning!
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On January 16 2012 03:41 L wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:54 Jayjay54 wrote:Why is my quoting not working? it showed up properly in ther preview. On January 16 2012 02:33 L wrote:On January 16 2012 02:11 Jayjay54 wrote:
I am not a hugh fan of the "please think about it and you'll see why" solution. Please enlighten me. It looks stupid to me and to others as well.
In what way am I tunneling you? I even state that it might be a stupid mistake. If you have a reasonable explanation, even better.
I know you might not be a huge fan of having to think, but you'll have to make due with that until day rolls around, mon ami. Why would you you need that information during the night cycle anyways, hmm? I could play dumb and pretend there's no possible reason a townie would want that kind of information and then extrapolate into calling you scum. Who would that remind you of? Man, don't attack me on a personal level. Keep it on game level. I thought about it and it makes no sense, you don't want to provide information, alright. But then don't complain, if this seems odd. And the last paragraph: Yeah I agree, we should only do scumhunting in the day cycle. That way we have way more time...wait what? Man, Enter the clueless/hurt card at this point. You've put zero analysis other than "I CANT FIGURE IT OUT" into your claim, and you've been tunneled on the issue for around 30% of your posting history. I dont' even have an argument to refute other than your claim that "you don't like the post". Dude, sick scumhunting. Especially the part wherein you attempt to pressure me into giving information about someone who claimed jack during the game phase wherein he might die. I think I'm done even bothering to reply to this thread-clutter until you make an argument or day rolls around. Ciao until morning!
I'm neither clueless nor hurt, but I think insulting players for game purposes is bullshit and thus I called it.
If you ask a vig who is going to shoot and he answers truthfully, you prevented a nightshot. So there is no real perspective townwise. It was a bad town play. That is my arguement and you don't really bother to try to explain that move with anything else than "if you would be smart enough, you'd know what I did that for". bravo.
I didn't pressure you. I just ask for an explanation. You may feel pressured. But in fact, I just tried to sort out why you played like you did. And I didn't ask about VE. I asked about you.
Finally, I didn't refer to my scumhunting, but scumhunting in general. If we are accused to be a scum, just because we ask for information at night, it's going to prevent any scumhunting.
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On January 15 2012 22:57 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Bill, I think you're putting too many players on the Town list.For some of them, I don't even undestand the reason why-WBG, kita and sheth too. Sheth started a Protact vote wagon, and you list protact as scum, shouldnt he be suspected?
Also we should focus on 1 or 2 lynch candidates, and pressure them hard, else we let them get away with diverting attention and starting third-party wagons.
Right now, those would be Risk.nuke and Macpo.
I encourage them to post in the next 6 hours, else they're scum in my eyes.They're from EU too, so they have no excuse.
An interesting point being Palmar actually started the voting train on Protactinium. And I simply followed along.
Also you shouldn't say "shouldn't he be suspected?" you should say he should also be under suspicion if you feel that way. This way you just sound like a mafia asking a townie how they feel to figure out how you should feel.
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On January 16 2012 03:58 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 03:41 L wrote:On January 16 2012 02:54 Jayjay54 wrote:Why is my quoting not working? it showed up properly in ther preview. On January 16 2012 02:33 L wrote:On January 16 2012 02:11 Jayjay54 wrote:
I am not a hugh fan of the "please think about it and you'll see why" solution. Please enlighten me. It looks stupid to me and to others as well.
In what way am I tunneling you? I even state that it might be a stupid mistake. If you have a reasonable explanation, even better.
I know you might not be a huge fan of having to think, but you'll have to make due with that until day rolls around, mon ami. Why would you you need that information during the night cycle anyways, hmm? I could play dumb and pretend there's no possible reason a townie would want that kind of information and then extrapolate into calling you scum. Who would that remind you of? Man, don't attack me on a personal level. Keep it on game level. I thought about it and it makes no sense, you don't want to provide information, alright. But then don't complain, if this seems odd. And the last paragraph: Yeah I agree, we should only do scumhunting in the day cycle. That way we have way more time...wait what? Man, Enter the clueless/hurt card at this point. You've put zero analysis other than "I CANT FIGURE IT OUT" into your claim, and you've been tunneled on the issue for around 30% of your posting history. I dont' even have an argument to refute other than your claim that "you don't like the post". Dude, sick scumhunting. Especially the part wherein you attempt to pressure me into giving information about someone who claimed jack during the game phase wherein he might die. I think I'm done even bothering to reply to this thread-clutter until you make an argument or day rolls around. Ciao until morning! I'm neither clueless nor hurt, but I think insulting players for game purposes is bullshit and thus I called it. If you ask a vig who is going to shoot and he answers truthfully, you prevented a nightshot. So there is no real perspective townwise. It was a bad town play. That is my arguement and you don't really bother to try to explain that move with anything else than "if you would be smart enough, you'd know what I did that for". bravo. I didn't pressure you. I just ask for an explanation. You may feel pressured. But in fact, I just tried to sort out why you played like you did. And I didn't ask about VE. I asked about you. Finally, I didn't refer to my scumhunting, but scumhunting in general. If we are accused to be a scum, just because we ask for information at night, it's going to prevent any scumhunting.
It's just Mafia, man. It's a pretty emotional game, small insults get thrown around all the time. You learn to ignore it pretty quickly.
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I mean that he should not evade suspicion.
Yeah, Palmar ,,actually started it'' but Palmar was kind of not caring about the game. 1 Liners aren't exactly helpful in a mafia game.
So instead i looked at the first poster who agreed on Protact's change to Macpo, from Cyriandor.
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On January 16 2012 04:03 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 03:58 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 16 2012 03:41 L wrote:On January 16 2012 02:54 Jayjay54 wrote:Why is my quoting not working? it showed up properly in ther preview. On January 16 2012 02:33 L wrote:On January 16 2012 02:11 Jayjay54 wrote:
I am not a hugh fan of the "please think about it and you'll see why" solution. Please enlighten me. It looks stupid to me and to others as well.
In what way am I tunneling you? I even state that it might be a stupid mistake. If you have a reasonable explanation, even better.
I know you might not be a huge fan of having to think, but you'll have to make due with that until day rolls around, mon ami. Why would you you need that information during the night cycle anyways, hmm? I could play dumb and pretend there's no possible reason a townie would want that kind of information and then extrapolate into calling you scum. Who would that remind you of? Man, don't attack me on a personal level. Keep it on game level. I thought about it and it makes no sense, you don't want to provide information, alright. But then don't complain, if this seems odd. And the last paragraph: Yeah I agree, we should only do scumhunting in the day cycle. That way we have way more time...wait what? Man, Enter the clueless/hurt card at this point. You've put zero analysis other than "I CANT FIGURE IT OUT" into your claim, and you've been tunneled on the issue for around 30% of your posting history. I dont' even have an argument to refute other than your claim that "you don't like the post". Dude, sick scumhunting. Especially the part wherein you attempt to pressure me into giving information about someone who claimed jack during the game phase wherein he might die. I think I'm done even bothering to reply to this thread-clutter until you make an argument or day rolls around. Ciao until morning! I'm neither clueless nor hurt, but I think insulting players for game purposes is bullshit and thus I called it. If you ask a vig who is going to shoot and he answers truthfully, you prevented a nightshot. So there is no real perspective townwise. It was a bad town play. That is my arguement and you don't really bother to try to explain that move with anything else than "if you would be smart enough, you'd know what I did that for". bravo. I didn't pressure you. I just ask for an explanation. You may feel pressured. But in fact, I just tried to sort out why you played like you did. And I didn't ask about VE. I asked about you. Finally, I didn't refer to my scumhunting, but scumhunting in general. If we are accused to be a scum, just because we ask for information at night, it's going to prevent any scumhunting. It's just Mafia, man. It's a pretty emotional game, small insults get thrown around all the time. You learn to ignore it pretty quickly.
hmm. I guess you're right. Whatever.
But since, you are around and you pretty much lurked all game with a couple of non specific one liners:
How do you feel about our elections? And what did you think of that Palmar lynch?
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