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alright CC let's do this.
On January 15 2012 00:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Some people won't really get a segment here. I'm a little bit more busy than I'd like, so if you want more information, you'll have to prod me for it.
Competitors I would consider lynching
Risk.Nuke- He disappeared off the face of the earth after a few posts.
He made some bad posts and then disappears, agree. It's odd, but some people have to do stuff on the weekend. He's def a candidate though
Slardar- Makes a more or less throwaway campaign long after theres about 10 candidates. Has barely any thread presence.
Also a candidate. Really generic. To little profile
BC for his anti-town plan.
I already said a bunch about BC in my post on this page
Other people we should't elect
Mattchew seems to have his campaign revolve heavily around his role, and is keen on WIFOM. He also seems a little bit too easily influenced, and I don't want to risk scum masons taking the mayors votes. I wouldn't be surprised if he was only running because Foolishness told him to.
I can certainly see what you're saying, but imo he's the towniest candidate we have. And being a mason really could help.
Sandroba.
seems town to me, but the post I quoted in my other post made me a little suspicious.
Neutral
Bumatlarge directed blues, and wants to kill me, so I'll pass.
his campaign sucked. Wouldn't vote him.
Wiggles.
neutral to me as well.
Would like to vote for
VisceraEyes currently has my vote. This is more because I want him to stick in the running and see what his next move is more than anything.
VE is probably more influencable (is that a word?) than mattchew. Doesn't really have a clear plan from my point of view.
Kitaman.
Not sure what I think of him.
Protactinium has no campaign promises or anything to hold him to, akin to wiggles, except he made the original case on BC, so he ranks a little higher.
He solely bases his campaign on one lynch. Though the hydra is a great player, that's too little to vote for him imo. Didn't state what his gameplan is
Would probably vote for
Bill Murray. He's very active, and seems willing to listen to people while thinking for himself.
Not sure about him. He kind of slided into his campaign by foolishness. Did a couple of good statement and seems townish.
Meapak is a strong contender.
good campaign imo, he had my first vote. still is a candidate for me, but right now I stick with mattchew
Myself, if it was an option.
Not sure about you either <3
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So I decided to take a good read of the thread from the start in one burst because hey, I'm a day late. A few things stood out as odd:
1) There are a LOT of mayoral candidates. Many of them seem to have prepared their candidacy prior to the game. Candidacies prepared prior to the game don't give us any information (insofar as submitting candidature goes) because they are done in the absence of role or alignment information. The surplus of candidates as well as the pre-prepared quality of many indicates that candidacy itself is devalued in this game.
2) Of those 'immediate' candidacies, Foolishness's is the most peculiar on its face, I honestly don't understand why someone would prepare a post to push for someone in the absence of role information, but my best guess is that he wanted to run himself, then got masoned or masoned someone else.
3) Mattchew releases a pm between him and Foolishness that states straight up that Bill Murray will be easy to control. No one comments on this.
4) On page 39 its stated that roles who get elected cannot be roleblocked; All of the current candidates for mayor are crumbing or have claimed roles that don't benefit from this. This issue is brought up a grand total of ONCE in the 12 pages since then and not discussed any further.
5) There are a LOT of chaff posts in this thread. A lot of larger posts are similarly filled with repetitive content.
6) The most interesting of the semi-chaff posts are the cloaked kingmakers. Posts like "Oh, the race is already over, X or Z is going to win". Why are they interesting? Because the leading candidate currently has 10% of the popular vote and mafia's potential to swing votes is grossly disproportionate to the amount of votes cast thusfar.
7) No one seems particularly 'pressed' with respect to the vote totals, which indicates that everyone's roughly happy with the way things are or at least not hurried enough to make a play yet. Given how strong the election roles are, this means mafia has likely captured at least one of the frontrunner spots at this point in time. This also means that mafia is doubly happy to throw out cloaked kingmakers as they clutter the thread, remove an incentive for people to participate AND lead them to an election result that they're comfortable with.
8) A grand total of one post stands out in my memory regarding the timing of votes and stated that people should be throwing down their votes asap to prevent the election from getting hijacked by a mafia swing. No one picked up on it and there was a burst of posting to bury it.
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So, what does this tell me? Tells me two things:
1) People need to vote. Now.
2) I'm voting for me. L for Mayor.
3) The best defensive votes statistically are on players who currently aren't winning but posted pre-canned candidacies. The best offensive votes are on players who have crumbed a role that isn't mason.
P.S. Rainbow text is fucking hard.
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L, could You actually put names in Your post? It seems vague without them.
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On January 15 2012 00:41 L wrote:
2) I'm voting for me. L for Mayor.
And why is that? if this is a campaign, game plan and lynch candidates or it didn't happen
3) The best defensive votes statistically are on players who currently aren't winning but posted pre-canned candidacies. The best offensive votes are on players who have crumbed a role that isn't mason.
I'm not sure, I follow here. So you say, because too few people are complaining, the people who are winning may be scum.
I'd like to point out that nobody is really winning at this point. And as you rightfully said, people need to vote ASAP. In the current state it will be so easy for scum to hijack a bandwagon and take it to the scummayor station. What I mean is, that right now, no mafia kingmaker is required, because we are voting shitty and by that I mean that we aren't actually voting.
So again, people need to vote or it will be a chaos before deadline in which the scum candidate has a good chance of winning.
That being said, why should we vote for a not winner pre-canned candidate. I don't see much reasoning behind it. And why not use the mason? If we think one's town, he'll be a candidate.
P.S. Rainbow text is fucking hard.
I thought so as I read it.
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Also. L you can't actually vote for yourself buddy 
so pick another candidate
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I'm visiting my sis so I'm out for a couple of hours. However I still have a couple of people I have no idea about. I'm just leaving you with a list of 5 or so names and if you see your name on that list I'd like to know who you want to vote for mayor and if you had to decide the first lynch who it would be. I'm only mentioning people I think might read this, so thx if you do:
+ Show Spoiler +5. risk.nuke
9. Kenpachi (you won't answer this right?)
11. EchelonTee
14. Liquid`Sheth
20. Ciryandor
49. Scamp
turns out I got 6 names instead of only 5 but yeah that's it for now.
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The capitalization of Your and You makes me feel like a king. Keep it up.
BC is currently sitting in the lead with 5 votes. Both of Foolishness' puppets, if you will, Mattchew and Bill Murray are sitting at 3 apiece. Proactinium also has 3. Basically there are 4 people who are 'out front' with a total of 14 votes down between them.
Thread tone indicates that at least one or more of them is mafia. We'd have a better shot of keeping our elected office clean by throwing the offices to random people (20% chance vs. 25%+ chance), and that's not a good thing.
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On January 15 2012 00:57 Jayjay54 wrote:Also. L you can't actually vote for yourself buddy so pick another candidate
Crud.
Really bogus.
Using the above logic to inform my lynch, I'd probably shoot one of the four people I mentioned as frontrunners, but that's assuming nothing else comes up in the period from now until then.
Most of the arguments posted in the thread thusfar with respect to lynch choice are rather weak.
But s'ok. I got you covered, bros.
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Risk.Nuke- He disappeared off the face of the earth after a few posts. - CC
First of all. "A few posts", is this your sub-appeal to tell everyone to spam up the thread? Because it really sounds as if my post "numbers" aren't enough for you.
Secondly, I'd hardly call not beeing present for a few hours a friday evening qualifies for disapearing of the face of the earth.
As regard to my candidacy I thought about withdrawing it but I didn't really want too and also it just seems like a waste of space to announce you're withdrawing when not a soul is supporting you anyway. So thats where my candidacy is right now.
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Alright, I need to get this game going and leave the lurker-mode:
I want to introduce myself for the players that don't know me. I rolled town like my last 6 or 7 games and I think I learned a lot since then. I developped a pretty solid strategy to find scum. I a huge game like this I modified this strategy a little bit:
I just devided all the players into 3 groups. The first group are players i am familiar with and I have special expectations about.
The second group are players I don't know well and I expect them to do well and the thirdgroup are players I don't know well and I have no expectations.
Each group of players will be divided into 4 categories. Townread, slight townread, no read and scumread.
I will add quotes and short explanations to each player i add into one category.
I really think finding town is the way to find scum. Real scumslips are extremely rare.
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I think this is a pretty good approach to contribute to this game and for the new players it's extremely important to
I don't need to be mayor, but since I am someone who is working on the game, I think you better listen to me.
Moreover if i request medicprotection, I don't do this for fun. Right now I feel pretty save since there are better targets than me, but when the time has come and I ask you to do me that favor, please don't screw up :D
If someone wants to elect me as mayor, I don't say no. But right now I evaluate my chances as pretty low, so I don't want to cause even more chaos with a big campaign.
Alright that's it. The mayoral campaigns are pretty poor so far. BC's is the best, but I expect him to write up the best mayoral candidacy post even as scum, so I have yet to decide who to vote for.
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One thing I've left to say: Palmar, you need to increase your activitylvl. Otherwise you won't survive day1 that's for sure.
You know I refuse to kill good palyers early on, because I think everyone has a bad day from time to time and a second chance isn't that bad.
+ mislynches happen far too often.
And last but not least, I am always okay with lynching useless lurkers. They have to die at some point, it's no problem to kill one of them day1. (The list of these players is long right now).
I don't care if it's easy for scum to manipulate these kills, townlukers are useless and scummy and when it comes down to lylo these guys are the ones that make town lose.
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On January 14 2012 17:41 GiygaS wrote:
Re: Mattchew being elected
Said already, you're not confirmed, and you're obviously a pretty bad spot if you think you're confirmed because you pmed a dude. If we could see that PM log, that story may change though (if Foolishness says a role you don't want revealed you can censor that if it's keeping you). Seriously, if you're campaign is about transparency, show us examples.
I showed PM log, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=44#867, sorry this is really hard not to type in caps. I have been transparent, open and honest this entire game.
On January 14 2012 18:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
mkay wow a lot happened. I just wanna address the Mattchew candidacy.
This is a tough call. On one hand, it is possible that mattchew is town. But the only evidence we have of this is foolishness's word, and with foolishness's actions so far I don't put too much stalk in it. For one, I find it really odd that foolishness would out a blue role just like that, he should know better than that. Another reason is that mattchew seems way too eager to claim confirmed town. At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Ultimately though, trying to determine mattchew's alignment comes down to WIFOM which could get endless.
I would feel better about the whole mattchew thing if he took his position and tried to play protown with it however most of his posts since announcing his candidacy have been talking about how he is confirmed which he isn't.
Anyway at this point I still feel pretty good about BC despite protact's analysis. Other people who are making sense atm are kita and to a lesser extent WBG. I disagree with WBG that Palmar is scum, I thought I knew what Palmar was trying to do with his bad posting but if he doesn't come in and capitalize on it within the next 12 hours or so I'll be more inclined to think he's scum.
I would still love to see L post, I also want more out of GGQ who has done absolutely nothing so far, in terms of lynch I still feel very good about GGQ because I think he fits the lurking scum profile. He's been in the thread but his posts have not been protown and since I'm the only person who seriously called him out he's been able to slip into obscurity.
The only evidence you have is foolishness's word? I don't even know if foolishness is town. You should put as much into foolishness's word as anyone else who has posted like 5 times and 2 of them has been semi trolly campaign announcements.
Foolishness did not come up with outing me, I went to him with that idea. Please re-read the PMs between me and him, which I have posted unlike any other Mason claiming.
At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them.
Wanted to highlight that. I PM'd foolishness way too quick to have had any scum team plan especially one that describes whether or not he is "on to them" When I PM'd him it is unlikely there was even a majority of scum to vote me into mason and come up with this plan. The fact that mafia has to elect their mason should aid my innocence based off how quickly I PM'd.
Establishing my own innocence is pro-town and alongside scum-hunting are the most important things for all townies to do.
On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote:Hi friends! Up and awake. Spending my time at a Starbucks in order to stay on track. Sorry if I cover older posts in my analysis, I was asleep. Topics to discuss: A) Mattchew Let’s analyze his post. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote:
I am running for Mayor.
I believe you should vote for me because I am confirmed town. How? Let me explain. I am a mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none. Not really an argument. A variance of the usual “I suck at scum”. Nothing special.Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him or b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught. This is logic. This make sense. Why would mafia PM the best town player straight away? After he already started a campaign for BM. There is no real perspective for scum here. And the idea that both are scum is strange, too. The BM campaign wouldn’t make sense. There’s no chance that all 3 are scum.Why should we vote you if you are bad?A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me. Not really confirmed. But by logic he’s likely town.B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability. Masons can’t get roleblock! They have a day action. So B is not really an issue. The townish vibes make the difference here. C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence. Makes sense to me. That is why the BC claim timing was so odd to me. He would have had a great chance to become mayor. What is your stance on Mayoral Issues.I will be active. I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from 13:30 GMT (+00:00) to 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around 03:00 GMT (+00:00). The standard obligatory "I suck at scum" I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3. Those 3 are (in no particular order) Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good. The mayor downside of his post  . I agree with WBG here, these candidates suck. Would like to see Echelot or Palmar here. Mapco is a new player, you can clearly see it. So why lynch him.I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until 16:00 GMT (+00:00) That being said, before he was roleclaiming, he already posted some really townish posts to back him up like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#605http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#612http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=35#682He is clearly applying logic to help town. Passionately fighting for the right townplay. Thinking ahead and providing opinions and information. I like this. A lot. In the bigger picture, his playstyle alongside masoning foolishness doesn’t make sense as a scum play. The PM log seems consistent to other stuff they’ve been saying. E.g. foolishness attitude towards masons. It’s either well faked or real. Foolishness would never suggest his mafia buddy BM if he were scum only to proceed and claim another scum buddy. That’s way too risky. Therefore, I am convinced. And my townread clearly outweigh the disagreement in the lynch choices. So here it is: ##vote Mattchew [/b]
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Thank you for using your brain.
On January 15 2012 00:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Other people we should't elect
Mattchew seems to have his campaign revolve heavily around his role, and is keen on WIFOM. He also seems a little bit too easily influenced, and I don't want to risk scum masons taking the mayors votes. I wouldn't be surprised if he was only running because Foolishness told him to.
Once again, resisting the urge of capslock and name calling. please, please, please, re-read my filter. I am the one who suggests to foolishness that I run, I am the one who wants to out myself as a mason, I am the one who posted me and foolishness's PM's (without even asking him) and I am the one who is running for mayor right now (foolishness has made 1 post on me).
One last note on my alignment.
I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office.
Is it possible, yes. Is it 99% unlikely, yes.
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Onto other topics than my innocence and people's lack of reading comprehension.
I am still campaigning on a Lynching of either Ciryandor, Mapco, or Chaosquo. They have all disappeared, posted like scummy shit and have not been pro-town at all.
Thinking palmar is scum right now is like having a really large weight pulling at the end of your fishing line. It could be that trophy catch you've been waiting for your whole life, or it most likely is a boot. That is not to say he should be let off the hook though, Palmar you have posted very little to nothing at all. We all know you can be really good at town, if you truly are town, please start posting better.
There are only 3 campaigns running that are not your standard cookie cutter mayoral campaigns.
Those 3 are
Bill Murray
BloodyCobbler
Myself
As L said we need to get voting so that this wont be hijacked.
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Wasn't actually ment to post yet so ebwop and here is the follow-up part.
I agree it's really about time to get the candidate numbers down, and start discussing. People needed to have voted by now so we could have had a decent idea of where people were standing, L I think you just might be alittle late to the race to run for mayor now.
4 On page 39 its stated that roles who get elected cannot be roleblocked; All of the current candidates for mayor are crumbing or have claimed roles that don't benefit from this. This issue is brought up a grand total of ONCE in the 12 pages since then and not discussed any further. - L Abot this. What do you want to do, elect a dt?
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On January 15 2012 01:15 supersoft wrote:
Alright, I need to get this game going and leave the lurker-mode:
I want to introduce myself for the players that don't know me. I rolled town like my last 6 or 7 games and I think I learned a lot since then. I developped a pretty solid strategy to find scum. I a huge game like this I modified this strategy a little bit:
I just devided all the players into 3 groups. The first group are players i am familiar with and I have special expectations about.
The second group are players I don't know well and I expect them to do well and the thirdgroup are players I don't know well and I have no expectations.
Each group of players will be divided into 4 categories. Townread, slight townread, no read and scumread.
I will add quotes and short explanations to each player i add into one category.
I really think finding town is the way to find scum. Real scumslips are extremely rare.
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I think this is a pretty good approach to contribute to this game and for the new players it's extremely important to
I don't need to be mayor, but since I am someone who is working on the game, I think you better listen to me.
Moreover if i request medicprotection, I don't do this for fun. Right now I feel pretty save since there are better targets than me, but when the time has come and I ask you to do me that favor, please don't screw up :D
If someone wants to elect me as mayor, I don't say no. But right now I evaluate my chances as pretty low, so I don't want to cause even more chaos with a big campaign.
Alright that's it. The mayoral campaigns are pretty poor so far. BC's is the best, but I expect him to write up the best mayoral candidacy post even as scum, so I have yet to decide who to vote for.
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One thing I've left to say: Palmar, you need to increase your activitylvl. Otherwise you won't survive day1 that's for sure.
You know I refuse to kill good palyers early on, because I think everyone has a bad day from time to time and a second chance isn't that bad.
+ mislynches happen far too often.
And last but not least, I am always okay with lynching useless lurkers. They have to die at some point, it's no problem to kill one of them day1. (The list of these players is long right now).
I don't care if it's easy for scum to manipulate these kills, townlukers are useless and scummy and when it comes down to lylo these guys are the ones that make town lose.
sweet maybe you can actually say something in your next post
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On January 15 2012 01:16 risk.nuke wrote:Wasn't actually ment to post yet so ebwop and here is the follow-up part. I agree it's really about time to get the candidate numbers down, and start discussing. People needed to have voted by now so we could have had a decent idea of where people were standing, L I think you just might be alittle late to the race to run for mayor now. Show nested quote +4 On page 39 its stated that roles who get elected cannot be roleblocked; All of the current candidates for mayor are crumbing or have claimed roles that don't benefit from this. This issue is brought up a grand total of ONCE in the 12 pages since then and not discussed any further. - L Abot this. What do you want to do, elect a dt?
What? you want to out a dt? are you crazy?
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On January 15 2012 01:18 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:16 risk.nuke wrote:Wasn't actually ment to post yet so ebwop and here is the follow-up part. I agree it's really about time to get the candidate numbers down, and start discussing. People needed to have voted by now so we could have had a decent idea of where people were standing, L I think you just might be alittle late to the race to run for mayor now. 4 On page 39 its stated that roles who get elected cannot be roleblocked; All of the current candidates for mayor are crumbing or have claimed roles that don't benefit from this. This issue is brought up a grand total of ONCE in the 12 pages since then and not discussed any further. - L Abot this. What do you want to do, elect a dt? What? you want to out a dt? are you crazy?
I have no experience with anything like this before so if you wouldn't mind feel free to explain it warrants an "are you crazy?". It might be crystalclear to you, sorry but it's not to me.
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On January 15 2012 01:04 L wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 00:57 Jayjay54 wrote:Also. L you can't actually vote for yourself buddy so pick another candidate Crud. Really bogus. Using the above logic to inform my lynch, I'd probably shoot one of the four people I mentioned as frontrunners, but that's assuming nothing else comes up in the period from now until then. Most of the arguments posted in the thread thusfar with respect to lynch choice are rather weak. But s'ok. I got you covered, bros.
Actually, the only one I really want to lynch right now is BC. read my filter. I stated a lot of solid arguements to say why. Read my filter for more information. So please don't say I have rather weak arguements when I in fact made some solid points on BC.
Echelot's "-town" thing still doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. And he seems to avoid explanations. So he would be my second in the lynch que. Except if he explains himself a little better.
"url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=23#442]Wiggles[/url] - town"
how is this to come from a spreadsheet? how? Does he keep links and then adds the town. And how did he have a townread on wiggles after 20 seconds?
Your strategy of just randomly lynching a top candidate because he could get some votes isn't really great either.
But as BC is the candidate with the most votes, I'd settle here. Maybe you're right and the mafia is quite because the already win the race. This would be in line with my current reads...
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On January 15 2012 01:16 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 17:41 GiygaS wrote:
Re: Mattchew being elected
Said already, you're not confirmed, and you're obviously a pretty bad spot if you think you're confirmed because you pmed a dude. If we could see that PM log, that story may change though (if Foolishness says a role you don't want revealed you can censor that if it's keeping you). Seriously, if you're campaign is about transparency, show us examples.
I showed PM log, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=44#867, sorry this is really hard not to type in caps. I have been transparent, open and honest this entire game. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 18:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
mkay wow a lot happened. I just wanna address the Mattchew candidacy.
This is a tough call. On one hand, it is possible that mattchew is town. But the only evidence we have of this is foolishness's word, and with foolishness's actions so far I don't put too much stalk in it. For one, I find it really odd that foolishness would out a blue role just like that, he should know better than that. Another reason is that mattchew seems way too eager to claim confirmed town. At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Ultimately though, trying to determine mattchew's alignment comes down to WIFOM which could get endless.
I would feel better about the whole mattchew thing if he took his position and tried to play protown with it however most of his posts since announcing his candidacy have been talking about how he is confirmed which he isn't.
Anyway at this point I still feel pretty good about BC despite protact's analysis. Other people who are making sense atm are kita and to a lesser extent WBG. I disagree with WBG that Palmar is scum, I thought I knew what Palmar was trying to do with his bad posting but if he doesn't come in and capitalize on it within the next 12 hours or so I'll be more inclined to think he's scum.
I would still love to see L post, I also want more out of GGQ who has done absolutely nothing so far, in terms of lynch I still feel very good about GGQ because I think he fits the lurking scum profile. He's been in the thread but his posts have not been protown and since I'm the only person who seriously called him out he's been able to slip into obscurity.
The only evidence you have is foolishness's word? I don't even know if foolishness is town. You should put as much into foolishness's word as anyone else who has posted like 5 times and 2 of them has been semi trolly campaign announcements. Foolishness did not come up with outing me, I went to him with that idea. Please re-read the PMs between me and him, which I have posted unlike any other Mason claiming. Show nested quote +At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Wanted to highlight that. I PM'd foolishness way too quick to have had any scum team plan especially one that describes whether or not he is "on to them" When I PM'd him it is unlikely there was even a majority of scum to vote me into mason and come up with this plan. The fact that mafia has to elect their mason should aid my innocence based off how quickly I PM'd. Establishing my own innocence is pro-town and alongside scum-hunting are the most important things for all townies to do. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote:Hi friends! Up and awake. Spending my time at a Starbucks in order to stay on track. Sorry if I cover older posts in my analysis, I was asleep. Topics to discuss: A) Mattchew Let’s analyze his post. On January 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote:
I am running for Mayor.
I believe you should vote for me because I am confirmed town. How? Let me explain. I am a mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none. Not really an argument. A variance of the usual “I suck at scum”. Nothing special.Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him or b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught. This is logic. This make sense. Why would mafia PM the best town player straight away? After he already started a campaign for BM. There is no real perspective for scum here. And the idea that both are scum is strange, too. The BM campaign wouldn’t make sense. There’s no chance that all 3 are scum.Why should we vote you if you are bad?A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me. Not really confirmed. But by logic he’s likely town.B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability. Masons can’t get roleblock! They have a day action. So B is not really an issue. The townish vibes make the difference here. C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence. Makes sense to me. That is why the BC claim timing was so odd to me. He would have had a great chance to become mayor. What is your stance on Mayoral Issues.I will be active. I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from 13:30 GMT (+00:00) to 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around 03:00 GMT (+00:00). The standard obligatory "I suck at scum" I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3. Those 3 are (in no particular order) Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good. The mayor downside of his post . I agree with WBG here, these candidates suck. Would like to see Echelot or Palmar here. Mapco is a new player, you can clearly see it. So why lynch him.I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until 16:00 GMT (+00:00) That being said, before he was roleclaiming, he already posted some really townish posts to back him up like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#605http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#612http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=35#682He is clearly applying logic to help town. Passionately fighting for the right townplay. Thinking ahead and providing opinions and information. I like this. A lot. In the bigger picture, his playstyle alongside masoning foolishness doesn’t make sense as a scum play. The PM log seems consistent to other stuff they’ve been saying. E.g. foolishness attitude towards masons. It’s either well faked or real. Foolishness would never suggest his mafia buddy BM if he were scum only to proceed and claim another scum buddy. That’s way too risky. Therefore, I am convinced. And my townread clearly outweigh the disagreement in the lynch choices. So here it is: ##vote Mattchew + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYzOQFpGPYE Thank you for using your brain. Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 00:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Other people we should't elect
Mattchew seems to have his campaign revolve heavily around his role, and is keen on WIFOM. He also seems a little bit too easily influenced, and I don't want to risk scum masons taking the mayors votes. I wouldn't be surprised if he was only running because Foolishness told him to.
Once again, resisting the urge of capslock and name calling. please, please, please, re-read my filter. I am the one who suggests to foolishness that I run, I am the one who wants to out myself as a mason, I am the one who posted me and foolishness's PM's (without even asking him) and I am the one who is running for mayor right now (foolishness has made 1 post on me). One last note on my alignment. I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office.
Is it possible, yes. Is it 99% unlikely, yes.______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Onto other topics than my innocence and people's lack of reading comprehension. I am still campaigning on a Lynching of either Ciryandor, Mapco, or Chaosquo. They have all disappeared, posted like scummy shit and have not been pro-town at all. Thinking palmar is scum right now is like having a really large weight pulling at the end of your fishing line. It could be that trophy catch you've been waiting for your whole life, or it most likely is a boot. That is not to say he should be let off the hook though, Palmar you have posted very little to nothing at all. We all know you can be really good at town, if you truly are town, please start posting better. There are only 3 campaigns running that are not your standard cookie cutter mayoral campaigns. Those 3 are Bill Murray BloodyCobbler Myself As L said we need to get voting so that this wont be hijacked. [/b]
Read the OP more carefully, a lot of your argument is based on 'scum have to choose their masons' which isn't true.
Also
Foolishness outing you
You declaring that you're a mason, and announcing your candidacy
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On January 15 2012 01:29 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:18 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 01:16 risk.nuke wrote:Wasn't actually ment to post yet so ebwop and here is the follow-up part. I agree it's really about time to get the candidate numbers down, and start discussing. People needed to have voted by now so we could have had a decent idea of where people were standing, L I think you just might be alittle late to the race to run for mayor now. 4 On page 39 its stated that roles who get elected cannot be roleblocked; All of the current candidates for mayor are crumbing or have claimed roles that don't benefit from this. This issue is brought up a grand total of ONCE in the 12 pages since then and not discussed any further. - L Abot this. What do you want to do, elect a dt? What? you want to out a dt? are you crazy? I have no experience with anything like this before so if you wouldn't mind feel free to explain it warrants an "are you crazy?". It might be crystalclear to you, sorry but it's not to me.
Problems:
1) Fake claim.
2) Bodyguard replacements.
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On January 15 2012 01:16 risk.nuke wrote:Wasn't actually ment to post yet so ebwop and here is the follow-up part. I agree it's really about time to get the candidate numbers down, and start discussing. People needed to have voted by now so we could have had a decent idea of where people were standing, L I think you just might be alittle late to the race to run for mayor now. Show nested quote +4 On page 39 its stated that roles who get elected cannot be roleblocked; All of the current candidates for mayor are crumbing or have claimed roles that don't benefit from this. This issue is brought up a grand total of ONCE in the 12 pages since then and not discussed any further. - L Abot this. What do you want to do, elect a dt?
1) Its not too late. The VAST majority of votes have yet to go out.
This is a cloaked kingmaker post. Everyone else, please note that.
2) What do I want to do? Get elected and elect legitimate and upstanding individuals such as myself to the esteemed offices of Liquidia.
On January 15 2012 01:31 Jayjay54 wrote:
Actually, the only one I really want to lynch right now is BC. read my filter. I stated a lot of solid arguements to say why. Read my filter for more information. So please don't say I have rather weak arguements when I in fact made some solid points on BC.
I kinda liked your posting until this part. Way too defensive. I stated the majority of the argumentation in the THREAD was weak and you took it as a personal attack.
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