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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:26 Toadesstern wrote: I think that's coincidence. I doubt he's able to read my post within 60 secs :p Kepnachi is know to be a troll who is not contributing and will definitly hang the moment we run out of reasonable lynch-targets. nono i read your shit. it was good | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
So I think BM is full of shit and needs to die now. ##unvote Scamp ##vote Bill Murray | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
So, why did you ask for the vig shot again? Pretty simple; CC was putting out very, very good material and pushing someone into posting a lot more than they might otherwise have. The person he was pushing tried to kill him; This is a SUUUUUPER bad sign against VE, but the dipshit manner in which he made the claim somewhat neutralizes how bad the ultra-omgus attack was. We also have a claim re: a jack role going into night. If VE is actually the jack and not mafia, he's probably the best candidate for mayor; he can verify his role with a called shot and he has access to medic defense and BG information; Even if they die, he can vet up for a night; this makes it very difficult for mafia to knock out his premium vote power, which is very powerful, moreso as the game carries on. If VE is mafia, however, we would be up shits creek with him as a mayor. Vigs wouldnt be able to take him out safely and hed have a huge amount of cred off of an incredibly well designed gambit. So we have to figure out if VE is mafia or not. If VE is rolling into the night and he is on the mafia team, his perspective vis a vis how he would use his hit is substantially different than if hes a jack. If he said he was shooting CC, it would be a sign that he was more concerned with killing CC than getting a benefit from using his hit. CC shot at night would have provided us far less information going into the mayoral election. Had VE been correct with his shot, hed have been the best candidate by far. Even if he was wrong, we would have had the issue to talk about as conversation in the thread had been slowing down. Now, had VE said he was going to shoot someone else in particular, Id have assumed that he was mafia. His vig hit compared to the total mafia night kp is a drop in the bucket, so there would be less incentive to hold his information back. He wasnt asked if hed shoot someone else. Just spilling the beans off the question would indicate that hes trying to win cred, especially given how he answered my follow-up question regarding how he would verify his role. Had he simply stated no, hed have struck me as very town. I think his actual response, that hed lynch CC if voted-in produced equivalent information and combined a consistent view with respect to his prime suspect, as well as a very pro-town indication that he was willing to hold his hit back. Mafia gains more the earlier they kill people. Less voices to deal with, fewer voters to convince during lynches. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Is Toad scum? I have an answer already, I want you to help. You being German and all. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:27 wherebugsgo wrote: LOL You're jailing them to lower their KP? Is that even how the KP functions in this game? You should be jailing to protect. Also, you're pretty much wrong about mafia KP being 3 yesterday. If you truly believe mafia KP was 3 why aren't you calling kita scum for his hit claim? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=93#1860 it wasn't a direct quote since I was on my phone, I just paraphrased it. fair enough. kenpachi if this is why you were scolding me you're justified but stop being a dick and start being helpful please. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:28 wherebugsgo wrote: oh also even if KP functioned that way, it wouldn't have worked, because 3 scum would have needed to be roleblocked for it to work. So I think BM is full of shit and needs to die now. ##unvote Scamp ##vote Bill Murray What do you think about Bill's claim of being masoned by 2 people who aren't BC and Opz, and subsequent insistence that BC is mafia? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:28 Protactinium wrote: Nope its not what you thought, its what you said  Everybody note the bold and see how the story changes each time. You know what a compromise is right? It means both parties give up part of their demand to come to some mutual ground they can agree upon. It does not mean that one party gets their way. But for some reason you conclude that sandro "made BC lynch Palmar" from "we came to a compromise"? You are pretty obviously stretching things. I hope people can see that. exactly that's my point. It's a compromise so sandroba made BC do something he would not have done without that compromise. I'm not saying he forced BC to do so but he obviously said "if you do X I will vote you" and that made BC change up whatever he changed. You know what a compromise is right? It means both parties give up part of their demand to come to some mutual ground they can agree upon. You're agreeing it's a compromise and that's what Sandroba said. That IS influence someone. All I'm saying is that Sandroba was influencing BC and made him do something. That somethign was lynching palmar. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:34 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think about Bill's claim of being masoned by 2 people who aren't BC and Opz, and subsequent insistence that BC is mafia? What is there to think? Nothing Bill Murray has done has made sense. It's just brainless flailing around. In what universe does the sheriff jail someone to lower mafia KP? Particularly, in the universe we live in, it takes 3 dead scum for mafia KP to drop, which makes his claim of "I jailed Lanaia so mafia KP would drop" even more frightening. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:31 wherebugsgo wrote: supersoft: Is Toad scum? I have an answer already, I want you to help. You being German and all. I guess you think I am mafia because I told you palmar is town and I am telling you sandroba is mafia?  Don't like it? Why? | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:28 hiro protagonist wrote: Whoops, I missed your vote on Macpo. my bad. However reading though your filter, I dont see a response to my question, which is what do you think of my analysis I posted on sandroba? His Modivation for these post is not one of getting scum lynch, but as a set up should Cyriandor flip later (whitch he knows is scum) to put him in a strong position. If he was town, He would have both tried harder to get elected and pushed Cyriandor harder. Sandroba is not WBG. He is not a player who spam posts "KILL X" through every page of the thread. You also don't see me saying "Kill X" in every single post, but that doesn't mean I am convinced about my reads. There is no reason to believe that Sandroba did not want to lynch Ciryandor, that is just speculation. You say that sandroba does no scumhunting. That's irrelevant, because quite emphatically supported my read on Ciryandor, in fact, calling my post "the best post so far". Sure, he didn't come up with original analysis, but at least he recognized which analyses were correct. Not everyone can be the first to state something. So unless you're going to make up some convoluted story about how my wish to lynch Macpo (who Foolishness first mentioned) is really an elaborate plan to bus my own teammate (you can hopefully see how this is getting ridiculous), you can't say much about Sandroba not writing original analysis. In all honesty, writing up an original analysis and supporting an original analysis when the post is buried and nobody else is supporting or even talking about it are at the same level in terms of how much it says about alignment. You claim that sandroba is more interested in self-preservation than finding scum. I see no evidence of that. In fact, if you read over sandroba's posts as a whole they give off more of a spontaneous unplanned feeling, suggesting more that he isn't really concerned about how he looks. In short, as Meapak said, the cases on sandroba are forced. There is no way he is a better lynch than any of the people on my red list. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:39 Toadesstern wrote: I guess you think I am mafia because I told you palmar is town and I am telling you sandroba is mafia? Don't like it? Why? y u so scared bro? As I asked earlier, which post by sandro gave you the impression that he convinced BC to lynch Palmar? BC, what do you think of this Protac/Toad situation? | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
This was well timed. Kenpachi should be dead according to Kurumis crumb. No ones come out in the past day to explain anything. Kurumis crumb was super overt, which indicates that he was comfortable dying during the night. This particular post, however, is both a way of distancing Toad from Kenpachi (he is a troll, he will hang), while simultaneously defending him (He wont hang till everyone else of worthy suspicion dies). Even if Kenpachi is shot and flips red, Toad can push his connection with the hang comment. If he dies and flips down, Toad can claim he was the lowest priority. This is possibly the safest disengagement post possible. Given the fact that last night indicates that Kenpachi is mafia, his sheeping on Toad combined with Toads response indicats that theyre not just buddies, but scumbuddies. If you arent swayed, check out Kenpachis filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=51151 Toads filter is much more interesting read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=40853 | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:42 L wrote: 2 of 2 This was well timed. Kenpachi should be dead according to Kurumis crumb. No ones come out in the past day to explain anything. Kurumis crumb was super overt, which indicates that he was comfortable dying during the night. This particular post, however, is both a way of distancing Toad from Kenpachi (he is a troll, he will hang), while simultaneously defending him (He wont hang till everyone else of worthy suspicion dies). Even if Kenpachi is shot and flips red, Toad can push his connection with the hang comment. If he dies and flips down, Toad can claim he was the lowest priority. This is possibly the safest disengagement post possible. Given the fact that last night indicates that Kenpachi is mafia, his sheeping on Toad combined with Toads response indicats that theyre not just buddies, but scumbuddies. If you arent swayed, check out Kenpachis filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=51151 Toads filter is much more interesting read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=40853 I love you. L what are your thoughts on Protac? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:41 wherebugsgo wrote: y u so scared bro? As I asked earlier, which post by sandro gave you the impression that he convinced BC to lynch Palmar? BC, what do you think of this Protac/Toad situation? because I don't want to lose again as a townie 100% win-rate as mafia 0% win rate as townie. Yeah I'm totally scared because I'm mafia :p But enough of this trolling. Are you even reading what I posted? I explained that the post I quoted from sandroba made me think e made BC lynch palmar. I was right, it is reasonable and you ignore it. You lynched palmar (a townie). You are trying to safe sandroba with everything you got and still I think you're a townie from what you posted d1. But you're a little to often wrong for me right now | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:35 Toadesstern wrote: exactly that's my point. It's a compromise so sandroba made BC do something he would not have done without that compromise. I'm not saying he forced BC to do so but he obviously said "if you do X I will vote you" and that made BC change up whatever he changed. You're agreeing it's a compromise and that's what Sandroba said. That IS influence someone. All I'm saying is that Sandroba was influencing BC and made him do something. That somethign was lynching palmar. Nope. For all you know, it could have been "you can't lynch X". You are basically claiming have an amazingly accurate sense of intuition that I doubt you actually possess. But in any case, I don't need to go on this further. People can decide what they want about this. However, there's no reason why sandroba should be fingered out for this "forcing" Palmar's lynch when there were multiple people in the thread asking for his head. Stop tunneling sandroba on thin reasons. Macpo/GGQ are much better lynches. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:46 Toadesstern wrote: because I don't want to lose again as a townie 100% win-rate as mafia 0% win rate as townie. Yeah I'm totally scared because I'm mafia :p But enough of this trolling. Are you even reading what I posted? I explained that the post I quoted from sandroba made me think e made BC lynch palmar. I was right, it is reasonable and you ignore it. You lynched palmar (a townie). You are trying to safe sandroba with everything you got and still I think you're a townie from what you posted d1. But you're a little to often wrong for me right now I don't give a shit about sandroba, actually. I want him to die as much as the next guy, but I am more concerned with other people atm, because they are not receiving any attention. And, as we all know, mafia love attention. You like the attention, don't you? As I say again, where did sandro say he convinced BC to lynch Palmar? You can point to that "compromise" post all you want, but it says nothing. Protac is right that you are stretching the hell out of that one post to try and make yourself look correct. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:42 L wrote: 2 of 2 This was well timed. Kenpachi should be dead according to Kurumis crumb. No ones come out in the past day to explain anything. Kurumis crumb was super overt, which indicates that he was comfortable dying during the night. This particular post, however, is both a way of distancing Toad from Kenpachi (he is a troll, he will hang), while simultaneously defending him (He wont hang till everyone else of worthy suspicion dies). Even if Kenpachi is shot and flips red, Toad can push his connection with the hang comment. If he dies and flips down, Toad can claim he was the lowest priority. This is possibly the safest disengagement post possible. Given the fact that last night indicates that Kenpachi is mafia, his sheeping on Toad combined with Toads response indicats that theyre not just buddies, but scumbuddies. If you arent swayed, check out Kenpachis filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=51151 Toads filter is much more interesting read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=40853 I won't push anything about Kenpachi. He's a troll, I can't read him, I want him dead as soon all reasonable targets are dead because he's a coinflip for me. Yes I'd much rather lynch someone who's something like 80:20 to flip red than someone who's a 50:50 for me | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:49 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't give a shit about sandroba, actually. I want him to die as much as the next guy, but I am more concerned with other people atm, because they are not receiving any attention. And, as we all know, mafia love attention. You like the attention, don't you? As I say again, where did sandro say he convinced BC to lynch Palmar? You can point to that "compromise" post all you want, but it says nothing. Protac is right that you are stretching the hell out of that one post to try and make yourself look correct. On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote: Palmar you need to try harder, you are too easy to spot as scum nowadays. I'd rather not lynch any vets day1 but you make it so hard not to lynch you. Please go die in a corner. I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler That clearly states that he told BC somethign along the lines "do X and I will vote you". How don't you agree with that? Why do you want to get chaos for town? We're having a bunch of people who are all scummy to some degree. You want to toss 5 more names into the room to discuss so that we spread our votes because everyone thinks someone else is the most scummy one? I don't think that's somethin we should do | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:04 Protactinium wrote: Another example of people who don't read. That post was a re-post of a post I posted on the wrong account before Ciryandor flipped red. Ah, you're right. My mistake. I still don't think GGQ is the right play, though. Can we hear from Macpo? | ||
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