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On January 24 2012 15:11 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 14:58 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 24 2012 14:54 bumatlarge wrote:Flamewheel thats an awful lot of blues  no scum jack for us? 3 meds, 2 dets, 4 vigs, 2 jacks, 2 vets, 6 masons. 18 blues.... Masons can't really count as blues unless its like, BC as mason. By day 4, mafia were getting steamrolled in the thread but still had 6 members vs. 25 townies, with all the vigs either dead or had their shot used, which is pretty even with the usual 30 player game to start (with no extra KP for town). Basically, the game was close even though the first accusation of the game was on mafia, 7 mafia outed by day 3, and the top 3 players in the game all know each other is innocent. If you just sacrifice some KP to stack Foolishness/me, its pretty much GG as town is left headless/off trying to do their own thing. Especially after I was unable to post at deadline the last day (you would have double stacked Foolishness, leaving me alive with a short list of 3/3 mafia and a red DT check on Munk-E), you still would have had a good chance if not for the 2 modkills. After BM is lynched, you just stack Foolishness and off the BGs + BC. My post is pretty much dead and buried, the only live DT can be perma-roleblocked, and everyone else is pretty far off on all counts. Unfortunately 2 modkills cut your KP, but it certainly wasn't a completely unwinnable scenario given how lopsided the play was.
No....It wasn't unwinabble til the modkills.
Infact me and bum were going into the day "We're going to win" -_-
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On January 24 2012 15:13 Protactinium wrote:
Also, everyone who wanted to kill BC/Me/Foolishness after Day 2 -_-
I never tried to kill BC, I only tried to get information from people and everyone tried to kill me because of that (and wbg had a hand in that as well)
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And the case against sandroba was pretty hilarious and mostly not in a good way
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my case against sandroba was awesome
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On January 24 2012 15:13 Protactinium wrote:
Also, everyone who wanted to kill BC/Me/Foolishness after Day 2 -_-
to be fair i would have wanted to kill BC and Foolish before night 1 lol. BC posted incorrectly about the mason role and foolishness talked to much about controlling people and would have voted and let me become mayor.
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kitaman27
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On January 24 2012 15:11 Protactinium wrote:
If you just sacrifice some KP to stack Foolishness/me, its pretty much GG as town is left headless/off trying to do their own thing.
Well bum and opz were outed scum due to the pm slip, so after the double lynch things were going to be pretty grim. They could have played longterm with their three remaining players, but with 1-2 kp, 3 medics, and a slew of townie-looking players I don't think its anywhere close to GG.
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I'm reading the obs QT....and....I've only read five posts but I've already almost died laughing.
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mattchew has the best posts there tbh
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On January 24 2012 15:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
mattchew has the best posts there tbh
really?
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Just caught up. Good game guys.
1. Bill Murray fucking owned me in the Mason PM's. He mind raped me so hardcore that I actually thought BC was mafia for a bit when he said Brownbear was on his lynch list. Than I mason'd with BC and I got my head straight. That was why I was so reluctant to lynch Bill. Than after I saw him flip Red and looked back on all the PM's...well, hindsight is 20/20...Fuck me.
2. It's hard as shit to keep up with every single person in a 50 player game. There are so many posts that's is damn near impossible to remember what everyone is saying all the time, thank God for filters. That being said, I think I still played like absolute shit save saying I was suspicious of Macpo early on in the game. Other than that, I was pretty convinced of OpZ, and I had Bum leaning slightly null-red. But none of that matters.
3. I thought that my gambit with Bill was a good idea in theory, and, in fact, I was looking at mason'ing BC a day early to confirm that the two names BM gave me we're correct. I ended up mason'ing with Cwave and doing the same thing, after I noticed Brownbear in BC's lynch candidates. That is the reason for doing that.
If anyone has any opinions/things I could improve on, please let me know and feel free to critique it in the thread. Sorry for being a sucky-Mason town. I did what I could.
Thanks a lot to Flamewheel and jcarlson for hosting the game. Was a lot of fun!
Also, @Flame, I thought that if we mason'd with someone, we were able to talk to them for the two days and night cycle, and not have to mason someone different at the switch of each. It actually confused the shit out of me, that's why I didn't mason at night and only mason'd in the day-time. Sorry about that, mang.
GG guys. Critique as much as you want!
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*bill forgets about quicktime*
*bill pms opz with bg names*
*kenpachi and kitaman confused*
FUUUUUU
"FYI I pm'd bill.
Kitaman and BrownBear are the BG's. "
hahahaha
i'm so bad at mafia
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People get too paranoid when there is a consensus among the big names. Games will almost never get to a point where a top mafia is able to manipulate the flow of the games if there is a consensus among the top players. Especially given that this is a no PM setup and that we all independently came to the same conclusions, it is highly unlikely that the power at the top is mafia motivated.
The mafia was unable to save their members despite the fact that there was a bunch of noise made by wrong-track townies advocating lynches on townies, which shows that mafia really didn't have the thread presence to save themselves. Coming to the conclusion that the lynch is being controlled by a mafia-infected triumvirate just doesn't make sense. More likely is that the mafia are just getting steamrolled.
As for people getting suspicious about the BM->sandroba switch, there's nothing suspicious there at all. Sandroba was not a new candidate, and a red flip is a red flip. Given the whole list of viable lynch targets, a safe red lynch is better than a potential misstep. Saying that lynching sandroba gives no information is just silly. None of the other proposed candidates (BM, supersoft, GGQ) would have given any more information had they flipped green, and BM flipping red doesn't really implicate anyone given his play style.
Statements like "a switch to sandroba isn't pro-town because he was going to be modkilled anyway" is really bad. If sandroba wasn't up for lynch, he would have just posted last minute and been fine. Which brings me to modkill policy. I notice hosts aren't consistent on ban list policy when a player is lynched when a modkill would occur. Sometimes there is a ban, sometimes there isn't, but in the future I think it should count as a ban, since otherwise it motivates mafia to lurk last minute with the idea that town is going to get scared and say "he's going to get modkilled anyway no need to lynch him".
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On January 24 2012 14:40 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 14:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 24 2012 14:27 Adam4167 wrote:On January 24 2012 14:26 :
I'd like proper idea given to my idea. We get Prot and BC elected. Sub two BG's in. BC is masoned with Sandroba and me, so even if he tells anyone the BG's as long as they dont get posted in the thread through the night we'll be good. As day approaches, we check, make sure of that, sub our two BG's, and then hit both BC and Prot. Neither would have med protection because the med would think he has BG protection, or the opportunity to post the BG's in thread AND we kill two highly experienced players. and possibly double stack Foolishness.
I think killing BC, Protact, and Foolishness night one is worth it. Especially if their isn't even a risk for it. I KNEW IT. I knew that shit was coming and I get called a fearmonger for bringing it up. I wanted to do this so bad..it was my idea. I was willing to be a mafia BG, and I would of said to put Ciryandor up to, because his posts in thread had me face palming and I knew he'd be the first of us to go. So honestly BC, I don't think it'd be a bad exchange. and when did you get pmd your BG list? I wanted to do it so bad as well, I was just slightly handicapped by rolling the wrong side. I even wrote up a post pre-game, volunteering to sub in as a BG, then to my dismay, I get town. 2 new-ish scum as a trade for both elected positions, 2 quality scumhunters and if either of them happened to be blue is a trade I was happy with! It sucked that real life got in the way of me really getting into this game, but these things happen. Still don't know why cheese was focusing on me so much O.o
To some extent, that was based off impressions from the previous game. The kind of person town could follow sort of thing.
On January 24 2012 14:24 Toadesstern wrote:
Thx to wbg for making those noobs think I am a mafia without even giving a single reason why I should be mafia :p
I'm so going to get you lynched next game no matter what.
Also I demand that observer / dead people QT
You did that to yourself with the continually mentioning perfect reads (which is actually impressive now that you've flipped)
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I agree that it takes away from the competitiveness of it and encourages non participation
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Thanks for the game flamewheel, jcarlsoniv. Damn the random mistakes in the OP.
Should I stop complaining about stuff that doesn't make sense to me/correcting nonsense so much?
Or just use that to accuse people?
Since I sort of typed em up closest I came to cases/analysis on people. incomplete
Zeks-Vaderseven
+ Show Spoiler +Zeks support for BC Vaderseven On January 19 2012 14:19 vaderseven wrote:
Wow nice.
I am through reading up to page 80ish.
Would anyone care to help me jump into the discussion by throwing questions at me?
I am going to bed now but I will finish reading the thread and reply to any questions tomorrow.
As of reading up to page 80, I am VERY for a GGQ lynch.
Someone at some point said that we shopuld notice the number of jacks/masons in this game. I think its fair to expand that idea to just being there is alot of power roles. Of the 8 town dead, 4 are blues (3 vig and 1 mason). Just something that occured to me as soon as I read the day post. very for a GGQ lynch for a while anyways On January 19 2012 14:22 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 14:20 Bill Murray wrote:
sorry to spam, guys, but my GF is here so I won't be able to be back on any more tonight
I wish you all the best if you lynch me, GG, and I hope you all lynch the right one between BC and Protactinium, unless mafia didn't run for election, and something weird is going on like Foolishness pushing on the best scumhunters at random intervals like I did in Hesmyrr's mini theme. Dont throw in the towel like that or rage quit or whatever when the day is less than half over. I have not read any case on you yet but reading that post just makes me role my eyes. PLAY TILL YOU ARE DEAD AND PLAY TO WIN EVERY STEP. Since tone and attitude is important in mafia that means keeping a stiff upper lip at all times. I don't care what alignment you are that klind of thing doesn't do anything but start to establish a motive for apathy. Definitely agree with this bit. On January 21 2012 04:39 vaderseven wrote:
BC, tell me how any info about you that a blue or green flip of KJ might reveal wouldnt be wifom? Sadly accurate point. On January 21 2012 04:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 04:39 vaderseven wrote:
BC, tell me how any info about you that a blue or green flip of KJ might reveal wouldnt be wifom? would be two townies I lynched + wasn't on a mafia vote wagon. Ignoring other cases while only pushing my own, etc... I'd be in a hotseat and have alot of explaining to do to avoid getting lynched. Lynching other players to gain information on me when I have said the case on isn't strong. I have read SS's filter and saw nothing glaringly "this guy is red" Me not seeing someone is red isnt a huge tell. Me heavily pushing someone to their death and trying to actively get my targets lynched purely is far more damning. -_- Does no one here actually think? On January 21 2012 04:51 vaderseven wrote:
LOL are you saying me finding ways to jump in and ask questions means I can't think?
I find your reply to actually be a bit scummy. A town flip of kingjames at this would more than likely sudgest that he was bad town. His case on you is just stupidly executed and he is ignoring so much that is going on while pushing it.
The fact that you are preparing your defensive tone for a town flip on a player that is playing like KJ....
That is scummy. Not sure waht to make of it + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2012 04:51 vaderseven wrote:
LOL are you saying me finding ways to jump in and ask questions means I can't think?
I find your reply to actually be a bit scummy. A town flip of kingjames at this would more than likely sudgest that he was bad town. His case on you is just stupidly executed and he is ignoring so much that is going on while pushing it.
The fact that you are preparing your defensive tone for a town flip on a player that is playing like KJ....
That is scummy. Seem like reasonable cases to me.
Glurio
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=68375 On January 15 2012 02:56 glurio wrote:
Hey I'm the replacement and plan to be active, sadly something came up for tonight, so I can't read up on what happened so far.
I'll do it tomorrow and post my thoughts as soon as I'm done, I do have to vote though. So I will vote for whoever has the most votes right now. My biggest problem with Glurio is his reason for voting Day 1, but he does have an excuse. On January 16 2012 23:27 glurio wrote:
Sorry for being so inactive, it took me till today to read up on everything. It was much more than I expected.
I will be more active from now on and participate. there where's this nice gap after saying that, with a few votes in it. On January 17 2012 22:43 glurio wrote:
##vote Macpo On January 18 2012 08:28 glurio wrote:
##Vote: Double Lynch On January 21 2012 01:23 glurio wrote:
##vote Bill Murray
##vote kingjames01 Finally another post. On January 21 2012 02:04 glurio wrote:
I voted how I did because I agree with p4ndemiks analysis of BM, he lately really started behaving weird. Also he is most likely to get lynched since he got the most votes. If hes a mad hatter, like he claimed and only placed one bomb so far, that would suck but it's a risk we should take.
kingjames i find really confusing he does nothing but accuse different people with weak at best arguments for being mafia. I have to admit i'm not completely convinced he's mafia, but without him we could maybe spend more ressources towards finding some more mafia and less random pointing.
I'm still not completely set on the kingjames vote, so if someone can convince me of someone better i will consider it.
I'm going out tonight, so i might not be able to change my vote in time. Will try my best though.
Also i'm claiming Mason. On January 21 2012 02:13 glurio wrote:I didn't mason anyone on day 1, was busy reading the thread. Tried to mason with BC on day 2 he never answered. + Show Spoiler +To: BloodyC0bbler [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Mason
Date: 1/17/12 19:31
Hey so what do you think is our best course of action right now? So there really isn't anything i can post yet. A mason who didn't use it ok. Also this gem from who he replaced On January 14 2012 01:46 d3_crescentia wrote:
Too many candidates, not enough focus. There are a large number of vets around and all of their campaign promises are virtually identical, which makes them all pretty much equally worthless.
I'd rather vote for someone with a strong decisive first day lynch target... like lynching Bill Murray.
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On January 24 2012 15:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 14:24 Toadesstern wrote:
Thx to wbg for making those noobs think I am a mafia without even giving a single reason why I should be mafia :p
I'm so going to get you lynched next game no matter what.
Also I demand that observer / dead people QT You did that to yourself with the continually mentioning perfect reads (which is actually impressive now that you've flipped)
Yeah that mistake won't happen again. I'm just going to quote what I pm'ed wbg:
Original Message From Toadesstern: yeah don't sweat it. Mostly I was mad because I thought my case on sandroba was good and everyone said it's bullshit. So that really was the reason I thought "well I'm going to prove them I'm not bullshit" which did not turn out that well :p I mean d1 everyone was like "well Toad is talking bullshit, that guy is bad or mafia" and d2 everyone was like "ok that guy is way too much right for a noob and points that out way too much" and I was just like + Show Spoiler +
I really was pissed that I was being bitchslapped and felt the need to emphasize that I'm not doing bullshit :/
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On January 24 2012 15:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 15:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 24 2012 14:59 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 24 2012 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 24 2012 14:47 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 24 2012 14:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
I caught opz and bum day 1 but then I tunneled Palmar too hard.
And I kept forgetting bum. Man -_-
ah well. Sorry guys for the lack of effort I had this game. I would have rather been playing in a mini game anyway and this might be the last game of this size I choose to play. I don't enjoy any games larger than 20 players anymore.
GG to all!
I refuse to say you caught me. You just wouldn't go away. But I wasn't worried about you. No one in town listened to you, and I was your only "correct" read iirc Yep, no one listened because I was wrong about Palmar and I wasn't playing well. I realized that myself after Palmar flipped town that no one would care what I had to say. After that I just lost interest in the game and I kept saying I needed to read but I never read lol. But yes, I did catch you day 1. Toad I just trolled cause it was funny as hell and super never responded properly.. Be humble. You just had fail argument, and all you did was tunnel EVERYONE. I could of posted I was mafia in thread, you could of quoted me, and still everyone would of wrote you off as "this guy is tunneling opz some more" I just said no one was listening to me because I was wrong lol. I accept I played badly, I even admitted n1 no one was going to listen to me because I was wrong about Palmar. That's the misfortune of being a vocal player; if you're wrong once, no one ever listens to you again. That's why players like Foolishness are so good and renowned; they're rarely wrong the first time. L and BC are beast scum players because they can consistently be wrong yet still be listened to.
That's because they actually have arguments.
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also flamewheel don't send me random pms right after i write a major analysis that say "u so qt"
it fucked with my head lol
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TheMarshalPerson: jaj22 is scum
Funny part about this is, that this is like his one and only post int that observer QT he did that had a read in it right? :p
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