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BC you posted incorrectly about the role your game so preciously revolved around lol
and did anyone really believe that a scum team would elect me as their mason and let me pm foolishness?
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On January 24 2012 15:04 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 14:59 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 24 2012 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 24 2012 14:47 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 24 2012 14:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
I caught opz and bum day 1 but then I tunneled Palmar too hard.
And I kept forgetting bum. Man -_-
ah well. Sorry guys for the lack of effort I had this game. I would have rather been playing in a mini game anyway and this might be the last game of this size I choose to play. I don't enjoy any games larger than 20 players anymore.
GG to all!
I refuse to say you caught me. You just wouldn't go away. But I wasn't worried about you. No one in town listened to you, and I was your only "correct" read iirc Yep, no one listened because I was wrong about Palmar and I wasn't playing well. I realized that myself after Palmar flipped town that no one would care what I had to say. After that I just lost interest in the game and I kept saying I needed to read but I never read lol. But yes, I did catch you day 1. Toad I just trolled cause it was funny as hell and super never responded properly.. Be humble. You just had fail argument, and all you did was tunnel EVERYONE. I could of posted I was mafia in thread, you could of quoted me, and still everyone would of wrote you off as "this guy is tunneling opz some more" I just said no one was listening to me because I was wrong lol. I accept I played badly, I even admitted n1 no one was going to listen to me because I was wrong about Palmar. That's the misfortune of being a vocal player; if you're wrong once, no one ever listens to you again. That's why players like Foolishness are so good and renowned; they're rarely wrong the first time.
I'm going to be more modest the next game but I was really raging mad because of you lol.
When there was like 3 people attacking me d2 I stopped taking notes and only went by gutfeeling :p
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Foolishness
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On January 24 2012 15:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 14:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 24 2012 14:56 Ciryandor wrote:On January 24 2012 14:47 flamewheel wrote:
But really, the Mafia were really uncoordinated. They have very few posts in their QT, there were only ever one or two people online in their IRC channel, and BM messaged me I think last night asking "who are our kills?" This I also think was a major failing on the scumteam's part, I was quite disappointed that I wasn't hearing anyone in the scum team really establish a base-line to attack Proact/Foolish/WBG; and that even though we had a veteran core and we had a couple of "throwaway" plays in me and Macpo early on, the team just felt too disjointed and didn't want to take risks in going for an advantage over town. I also keep playing a scum-like game, somebody PM me on how I should be approaching D1 discussion in these big games because I'll probably end up always reacting like scum simply because I'm the sort to fish for reactions, not solicit accusations.  As bad as my mason idea was, im pretty sure it gave a near insta read of town to phil which imo was insanely important day 1. Force discussions. My analysis may have been spotty but I managed to force people to post in alot of ways or force lynches which got people posting. That is all townlike. All those who accused me after day 2 lynch -_- Phil? Also...You made it shitty for us because I was scared to mason someone that I deemed a low level player. "oh hai guys, I talked to OpZ yesterday, here's da logz!"
Me! That's why I made my post above! Do you not read the thread?
+ Show Spoiler [~OpZ~] +29) You are ~OpZ~ and you have the desire to post. What do you do?a) Respond to every post one by one and get banned by Plexa for spamming a few dozen posts in a row. Ignore his five warnings because you still had to respond to the next 5 pages of posts before seeing the warnings.
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On January 24 2012 14:52 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Slardar, what were you warned for?
After Foolishness posted I'd be easy to read, I sent him a PM asking if he knew me outside the game. (Didn't ask or talk about anything directly related to the game.)
On January 24 2012 14:56 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 14:49 Slardar wrote:On January 24 2012 14:42 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2012 14:36 Slardar wrote:On January 24 2012 14:33 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2012 14:27 Slardar wrote:
I CALLED IT! GEEEEE GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Also Toad and Lanaia damn wrong BAM!
Notes - Who was responsible for those amazing blue snipes? I want to hear this. yeah I really did not think they got nisani AND bum. I thought it's only one of them (or kenpachi) + opz and you were one of the few ones that wasn't clear townie That's what supersoft and I did while masoning: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/e8aOL.jpg) We still had not talked about some people so that's why there's white in there. I really thought it's opz + one yellow guy + one orange guy and didn't think it's glurio. Oh Ok, I thought other than the otherwise obvious tomfoolery the first day, I was trying to be pro-town. Although BC called it right in the chatlogs, I'm just a newb who ran for Mayor for fun. supersoft and I wanted to force you to claim tomorrow btw :p Well what then..... probably no matter what I would have said you would have construed it as a scummy response, no? Hypothetically I would've just said I'd flip Green and it would be uneventful, or along those lines. If the BM lynch didn't go as planned and we didn't get the 2 scum modkills I would have been frantically trying to defend myself and just call out Townie, but now that 3 Mafia were left, the game was pretty much in the bag. kind of. SS said you're medic or mafia or weird. I said you're mafia or weird and okay'ed this medic thing SS was talking about. The thing that got us thinking you're mafia is because 1) you did a really strange campaign early on and kind of implied that you're not going to talk about your reads 2) you posted somewhere that you would like to lynch someone for information about BC. You're a new guy and we just didn't think a new guy would be lynching someone for information but instead take a look at how things are done the first few days and obsever.
1) Yeah, it was sort of a throwaway / have fun/ shot in the dark to see if it would catch any steam. The read part was a bit foolish, but since I was new I didn't want to throw out reads since I'm inexperienced, wanted to sit back and watch. I felt I'd probably be more of a detriment and add to the chaos if I was too active too early.
2) Yeah, I wanted to lynch ~OpZ~ because Sheth put a very decent read on the situation and it would have cleared BC at the time. (At least in my eyes). Relatively long after OpZ made a reasonable defense post, and Sheth passed away so I backed off from him.
3) I love how the analysis is I'm Scum, Mafia, or Weird not a Newb. LOL the hell with you two 
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On January 24 2012 15:04 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 14:59 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 24 2012 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 24 2012 14:47 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 24 2012 14:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
I caught opz and bum day 1 but then I tunneled Palmar too hard.
And I kept forgetting bum. Man -_-
ah well. Sorry guys for the lack of effort I had this game. I would have rather been playing in a mini game anyway and this might be the last game of this size I choose to play. I don't enjoy any games larger than 20 players anymore.
GG to all!
I refuse to say you caught me. You just wouldn't go away. But I wasn't worried about you. No one in town listened to you, and I was your only "correct" read iirc Yep, no one listened because I was wrong about Palmar and I wasn't playing well. I realized that myself after Palmar flipped town that no one would care what I had to say. After that I just lost interest in the game and I kept saying I needed to read but I never read lol. But yes, I did catch you day 1. Toad I just trolled cause it was funny as hell and super never responded properly.. Be humble. You just had fail argument, and all you did was tunnel EVERYONE. I could of posted I was mafia in thread, you could of quoted me, and still everyone would of wrote you off as "this guy is tunneling opz some more" I just said no one was listening to me because I was wrong lol. I accept I played badly, I even admitted n1 no one was going to listen to me because I was wrong about Palmar. That's the misfortune of being a vocal player; if you're wrong once, no one ever listens to you again. That's why players like Foolishness are so good and renowned; they're rarely wrong the first time.
L and BC are beast scum players because they can consistently be wrong yet still be listened to.
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On January 24 2012 15:06 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 15:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 24 2012 14:59 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 24 2012 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 24 2012 14:47 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 24 2012 14:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
I caught opz and bum day 1 but then I tunneled Palmar too hard.
And I kept forgetting bum. Man -_-
ah well. Sorry guys for the lack of effort I had this game. I would have rather been playing in a mini game anyway and this might be the last game of this size I choose to play. I don't enjoy any games larger than 20 players anymore.
GG to all!
I refuse to say you caught me. You just wouldn't go away. But I wasn't worried about you. No one in town listened to you, and I was your only "correct" read iirc Yep, no one listened because I was wrong about Palmar and I wasn't playing well. I realized that myself after Palmar flipped town that no one would care what I had to say. After that I just lost interest in the game and I kept saying I needed to read but I never read lol. But yes, I did catch you day 1. Toad I just trolled cause it was funny as hell and super never responded properly.. Be humble. You just had fail argument, and all you did was tunnel EVERYONE. I could of posted I was mafia in thread, you could of quoted me, and still everyone would of wrote you off as "this guy is tunneling opz some more" I just said no one was listening to me because I was wrong lol. I accept I played badly, I even admitted n1 no one was going to listen to me because I was wrong about Palmar. That's the misfortune of being a vocal player; if you're wrong once, no one ever listens to you again. That's why players like Foolishness are so good and renowned; they're rarely wrong the first time. I'm going to be more modest the next game but I was really raging mad because of you lol. When there was like 3 people attacking me d2 I stopped taking notes and only went by gutfeeling :p
HAHA sorry I had to entertain myself somehow.
Sorry Toad :p
I really trusted super on you though, because I felt he was town, so I was going to believe whatever he said about your alignment. I probed you super hard because I thought you would be a good way to bait other people.
That Meapak thing was fucking perfect.
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It depends on if masons can recruit. In this case, it was just a neighborizer for a cycle, correct?
It was very unrevealing of alignment, however, it definitely helped the town.
I would say that a scum jack has way more upside than numerous neighborizers.
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On January 24 2012 15:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 14:59 Foolishness wrote:On January 24 2012 14:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 24 2012 14:56 Ciryandor wrote:On January 24 2012 14:47 flamewheel wrote:
But really, the Mafia were really uncoordinated. They have very few posts in their QT, there were only ever one or two people online in their IRC channel, and BM messaged me I think last night asking "who are our kills?" This I also think was a major failing on the scumteam's part, I was quite disappointed that I wasn't hearing anyone in the scum team really establish a base-line to attack Proact/Foolish/WBG; and that even though we had a veteran core and we had a couple of "throwaway" plays in me and Macpo early on, the team just felt too disjointed and didn't want to take risks in going for an advantage over town. I also keep playing a scum-like game, somebody PM me on how I should be approaching D1 discussion in these big games because I'll probably end up always reacting like scum simply because I'm the sort to fish for reactions, not solicit accusations. As bad as my mason idea was, im pretty sure it gave a near insta read of town to phil which imo was insanely important day 1. Force discussions. My analysis may have been spotty but I managed to force people to post in alot of ways or force lynches which got people posting. That is all townlike. All those who accused me after day 2 lynch -_- I'm phil btw in case somebody is confused by BC's post lol Ninja'd
Hey Foolishness =P
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Foolishness
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On January 24 2012 15:06 Slardar wrote:After Foolishness posted I'd be easy to read, I sent him a PM asking if he knew me outside the game. (Didn't ask or talk about anything directly related to the game.) Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 14:56 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2012 14:49 Slardar wrote:On January 24 2012 14:42 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2012 14:36 Slardar wrote:On January 24 2012 14:33 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2012 14:27 Slardar wrote:
I CALLED IT! GEEEEE GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Also Toad and Lanaia damn wrong BAM!
Notes - Who was responsible for those amazing blue snipes? I want to hear this. yeah I really did not think they got nisani AND bum. I thought it's only one of them (or kenpachi) + opz and you were one of the few ones that wasn't clear townie That's what supersoft and I did while masoning: We still had not talked about some people so that's why there's white in there. I really thought it's opz + one yellow guy + one orange guy and didn't think it's glurio. Oh Ok, I thought other than the otherwise obvious tomfoolery the first day, I was trying to be pro-town. Although BC called it right in the chatlogs, I'm just a newb who ran for Mayor for fun. supersoft and I wanted to force you to claim tomorrow btw :p Well what then..... probably no matter what I would have said you would have construed it as a scummy response, no? Hypothetically I would've just said I'd flip Green and it would be uneventful, or along those lines. If the BM lynch didn't go as planned and we didn't get the 2 scum modkills I would have been frantically trying to defend myself and just call out Townie, but now that 3 Mafia were left, the game was pretty much in the bag. kind of. SS said you're medic or mafia or weird. I said you're mafia or weird and okay'ed this medic thing SS was talking about. The thing that got us thinking you're mafia is because 1) you did a really strange campaign early on and kind of implied that you're not going to talk about your reads 2) you posted somewhere that you would like to lynch someone for information about BC. You're a new guy and we just didn't think a new guy would be lynching someone for information but instead take a look at how things are done the first few days and obsever. 1) Yeah, it was sort of a throwaway / have fun/ shot in the dark to see if it would catch any steam. The read part was a bit foolish, but since I was new I didn't want to throw out reads since I'm inexperienced, wanted to sit back and watch. I felt I'd probably be more of a detriment and add to the chaos if I was too active too early. 2) Yeah, I wanted to lynch ~OpZ~ because Sheth put a very decent read on the situation and it would have cleared BC at the time. (At least in my eyes). Relatively long after OpZ made a reasonable defense post, and Sheth passed away so I backed off from him. 3) I love how the analysis is I'm Scum, Mafia, or Weird not a Newb. LOL the hell with you two
I'm always polite when talking about other people when they're not around, unlike supersoft. That's why I censored that part about lanaia lol
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Losing L was like losing our Bobby Fischer, and living in the land of Caller
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On January 24 2012 15:04 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 15:03 p4NDemik wrote:On January 24 2012 14:49 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 24 2012 14:46 flamewheel wrote:
Also VE, KJ, wherebugsgo for Mafia MVP. And P4N. hahahaha no kidding. I put so much effort into all that night night 2 analysis and mafia sat back, lurked, and got so drunk they got mod-killed. Now if I ever get mafia in the future I have to live up to this ... fml you got me lynched a day late and a dollar short :o
was no one suspicious of you before that? i need to reread that sequence of events. i guess even if i sucked in my conclusions i was at least good for the atmosphere?
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I didn't want to be a lurky scum this game, but every day I checked in, it was every townie pointing in a different direction convinced they were right. I would have attempted to deter some scumlynched, but I didn't think I could do it by myself. I did try it and the sandroba lynch, but I think thats evidence to how much power we had over anything.
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On January 24 2012 15:09 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 15:04 Bill Murray wrote:On January 24 2012 15:03 p4NDemik wrote:On January 24 2012 14:49 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 24 2012 14:46 flamewheel wrote:
Also VE, KJ, wherebugsgo for Mafia MVP. And P4N. hahahaha no kidding. I put so much effort into all that night night 2 analysis and mafia sat back, lurked, and got so drunk they got mod-killed. Now if I ever get mafia in the future I have to live up to this ... fml you got me lynched a day late and a dollar short :o was no one suspicious of you before that? i need to reread that sequence of events. i guess even if i sucked in my conclusions i was at least good for the atmosphere?
you kept pushing it, even if i was being obtuse and purposefully not reading because I was mafia and didn't have to (plus it was like 200 pages)
I can't wait for a game where I actually have to read and scumhunt
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On January 24 2012 14:58 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 14:54 bumatlarge wrote:Flamewheel thats an awful lot of blues no scum jack for us? 3 meds, 2 dets, 4 vigs, 2 jacks, 2 vets, 6 masons. 18 blues....
Masons can't really count as blues unless its like, BC as mason.
By day 4, mafia were getting steamrolled in the thread but still had 6 members vs. 25 townies, with all the vigs either dead or had their shot used, which is pretty even with the usual 30 player game to start (with no extra KP for town). Basically, the game was close even though the first accusation of the game was on mafia, 7 mafia outed by day 3, and the top 3 players in the game all know each other is innocent.
If you just sacrifice some KP to stack Foolishness/me, its pretty much GG as town is left headless/off trying to do their own thing. Especially after I was unable to post at deadline the last day (you would have double stacked Foolishness, leaving me alive with a short list of 3/3 mafia and a red DT check on Munk-E), you still would have had a good chance if not for the 2 modkills. After BM is lynched, you just stack Foolishness and off the BGs + BC. My post is pretty much dead and buried, the only live DT can be perma-roleblocked, and everyone else is pretty far off on all counts. Unfortunately 2 modkills cut your KP, but it certainly wasn't a completely unwinnable scenario given how lopsided the play was.
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...as I told my scum team before we gg'd.
Munk-e is the Billy Cundiff of mafia, and schorwz is the Kyle Williams of scum
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Also, everyone who wanted to kill BC/Me/Foolishness after Day 2 -_-
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On January 17 2012 04:27 rtgICEMAN wrote:
At this point i feel like there can be soo many guys suspected as scum, includet me.JayJay's post is rather unusual vague at the end then a realistic post.he says about alot of players then marks sandro as scum.Thought I appreciate his effort for this post, i kinda not agree with its conclusion.I ll keep an eye on GGQ and on lanaia and ill vote someone in the next 12 hours.
how was this not scum
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Mafia masons are just never going to put as much effort into the game as town masons, so those 6 townie masons will be quite quickly all confirmed.
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On January 24 2012 15:09 Bill Murray wrote:
Losing L was like losing our Bobby Fischer, and living in the land of Caller
Yeah, TSN Turning Point provided by none other than Jackal58. What prompted you to shoot him Jackal? 
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