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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
[8/1/2011 3:02:03 PM] james: more and more [8/1/2011 3:02:12 PM] james: for the cannon fodder [8/1/2011 3:02:12 PM] james: shot [8/1/2011 3:02:23 PM] Charles Suo: yes thats the easy early one [8/1/2011 3:02:26 PM] Charles Suo: hes also nto going to be contributing at all the game [8/1/2011 3:02:35 PM] james: well [8/1/2011 3:02:38 PM] james: hes against [8/1/2011 3:02:39 PM] james: day vigiing [8/1/2011 3:02:39 PM] Charles Suo: well actually idk he died on the first day/night [8/1/2011 3:02:42 PM] james: and against encrypting of posts [8/1/2011 3:02:45 PM] Charles Suo: both games i was in with him [8/1/2011 3:02:57 PM] james: like hes against two things [8/1/2011 3:03:04 PM] james: that are pro town [8/1/2011 3:03:15 PM] syllogism: i'm somewhat skeptical about him saying that as scum though [8/1/2011 3:03:24 PM] syllogism: the encryption part especially [8/1/2011 3:03:26 PM] james: eh, it means [8/1/2011 3:03:27 PM] james: hes good [8/1/2011 3:03:30 PM] james: day vigi [8/1/2011 3:03:33 PM] james: shot [8/1/2011 3:03:41 PM] james: already being counter productive [8/1/2011 3:03:47 PM] james: i can understand not wanting to encrypt shite [8/1/2011 3:03:54 PM] james: but against getting a day 1 [8/1/2011 3:03:58 PM] james: confirmed [8/1/2011 3:03:59 PM] james: player? OK WTF IS THIS On August 02 2011 08:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: *yawn* So out of drH and redff there is a clear difference between the two of them. Both are arguing against this plan. First of all, a lot of drH's concerns are legit. A lot of questions based around this plan that makes it "solid" received not so good responses from the mods. IE not exploitable. I see the advantages of the plan, and if we could actually think of a target for day 1 to day vig it would be fine, however. This is a game with 4 mafia, 1 gf and 1 rber in the mix most likely. The next issue is a simple bit of knowledge of qatol and ver helped balance the game. Very few KP will be in this game. Counting on a day vig for all our hopes seems...shortsighted. If we have one, awesome, however we should have 2 kp at most given the setup. 1 med and 1 vet, or 2 vets, would be a likely blue setup for night survival and 1 dt if we are lucky. As this is speculation based on how to not make a game horribly OP for town I would guess no day kp as that would make town confirmable. However, if this plan can be made to work then thats fine and good. My issue now stems from DrH and redFF. DrH has been arguing against it in thread. He has been on the bad side of this sort of situation before, and I can see where he might have learned from that. I have no issues with him doing so primarily because he is doing it here, in thread. Redff however has been arguing this on irc. If he was so sure of his stance he should have taken it here in thread. Massive FoS by excluding info from thread. So apparently BC says that thinks that arguing against the plan and getting a confirmed townie is scummy. But then he says in the thread that the concerns are legitimate. Notice how BC doesn't even really take a stance on the plan. He also says that it's a massive FOS for excluding info from the thread, when in that skype convo(https://docs.google.com/document/d/10jA3MmX1xqqIfA0dbFV2x_2ABuzcbCX6IKcXlx_oFF0/edit?hl=en_US) he says very important stuff he doesn't say in the thread. LIKE THE FACT THAT HE THINKS I AM SCUM AND A GOOD DAYVIG SHOT AND HE THINKS THAT ARGUING AGAINST THE PLAN IS ANTI-TOWN. Here's what we know. We know that someone in that skype convo is scum. And we already know that BC has been scummy before. Vigs on BC please for the love of god. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
RED 4 lyfe. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
ghrur ur mafia too stfu [7:57pm] alanismorisette: post that analysis [7:57pm] alanismorisette: its not bullshit if you have already discussed it with people [7:57pm] alanismorisette: just post what you talked about with them [7:57pm] alanismorisette: quick! [7:57pm] ghrur: It's been past 10 minutes [7:57pm] ghrur: My deadline is gone [7:58pm] ghrur: and I wanna play basketball [7:58pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:58pm] ghrur: Besides, I already said [7:58pm] chaos13 joined the chat room. [7:58pm] ghrur: I didn't save the chat log [7:58pm] alanismorisette: doesnt matter [7:58pm] ghrur: Ask TAA if he has it [7:58pm] alanismorisette: just post the gist of ur position on them [7:58pm] alanismorisette: easy [7:58pm] alanismorisette: just do that for me [7:58pm] ghrur: Sure, I'll do it [7:58pm] ghrur: But I'd rather play basketball [7:58pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:58pm] ghrur: I'll post it afterwards kay? [7:58pm] alanismorisette: do it please [7:58pm] alanismorisette: no [7:58pm] alanismorisette: now [7:58pm] ghrur: No, real life > mafia [7:58pm] alanismorisette: im sorry but everyone is seeing this right [7:59pm] alanismorisette: it will take [7:59pm] alanismorisette: like 5 minutes [7:59pm] alanismorisette: dude [7:59pm] youngmin: i'm laughing my ass off [7:59pm] alanismorisette: you could have finished it by now [7:59pm] ghrur: ??? YM? [7:59pm] ghrur: Cya later [7:59pm] ghrur: <3 [7:59pm] alanismorisette: but instead you are gonna go think about it [7:59pm] ghrur: I'll post it after [7:59pm] youngmin: lolololol [7:59pm] alanismorisette: then post it [7:59pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:59pm] ghrur: Yes, I didn't need to think about my defense [7:59pm] ghrur: <3 [7:59pm] ghrur: Cya [8:00pm] alanismorisette: ... fuck this guy | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On August 04 2011 09:21 Curu wrote: I'd prefer the Vig on JeeJee/Munk-E and the DT on BC. Medic on Mig. why medic on mig? A medic on ON or DrH is wayy better. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
VIG BC VIG BC VIG BC | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On August 04 2011 09:27 redFF wrote: why medic on mig? A medic on ON or DrH is wayy better. Mig was the one starting the case on varpulis, posting the initial analysis and pressuring him through the day. I consider ON and DrH town as well though. As a side note Trotske is most likely town based on Varpulis' FoS. I wouldn't DT check JeeJee or BC, if mafia they are most likely to be the godfather. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Barundar - Godfather is randomed by Kurumi along with every role. Experience has nothing to do with it. Chaos - Munk-E went on with Varpulis before a bus would have been necessary. I don't think a VIG on him is really necessary at this point, i'm getting an inactive/newbie town read on him to be honest. I way suspect BC over JeeJee right now. In fact I never felt the case on JeeJee was very strong to begin with. Weak diversion to take attention off Varpulis imo | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
That's your reason. (No offense ON <3) | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On August 04 2011 09:33 Barundar wrote: Mig was the one starting the case on varpulis, posting the initial analysis and pressuring him through the day. I consider ON and DrH town as well though. As a side note Trotske is most likely town based on Varpulis' FoS. I wouldn't DT check JeeJee or BC, if mafia they are most likely to be the godfather. For all we know Varp knew he was getting lynched so decided to attack trotske and they could be both scum? Also please read the thread gf is random. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Sevryn
698 Posts
I'm in favor of letting medics use their own judgment because the more we talk about it changes where the mafia shoot making it harder for medics to decide who to protect. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Sevryn
698 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Also FoS on draz for calling redff(whom i dont have a read either way on) scum just for defending himself. you say only scum would defend themselves that much so early when even a vanilla townie wouldnt want to die. and maybe a VT might not care enough but what about blue roles. draz is either being scummy or isnt thinking about what defending yourself means. filter I think we should wait untill the mafia can not kill our confirmed town right away to use the plan or we have enough suspicious people that we can use our vigi hits instead of just shooting because we can. whats the point in having a confirmed town that will most likely die when his orders on who to hit will most likely just be guesses? a gem of a post here: I agree with the draz lynch because i FOS'd him earlier | ||
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