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On August 04 2011 07:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

BC is the mafia maybe curu

On August 04 2011 07:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
why are you being so antagonistic jeejee? we found a scum yet you're still basically opposing his lynch. there were reasons don't try to discredit this it wasn't all luck

On August 02 2011 08:50 ghrur wrote:
Okay, so we weight the benefits of confirmed townie vs possibly hitting a townie.
Confirmed townie is definitely better. Have you heard how Ace talked about Masons in that Mafias #1 targets thread? It's because they're confirmed so easily. A confirmed townie is valuable, and that's just 1 person less to shoot at.

Furthermore, even hitting a townie can give us a lot of information for our first official lynch. It also gives us new information to re-evaluate our thoughts.

If he dies because mafia stacks, all the better. This means, if we miss, we killed 1 extra townie day 1, but also saved 1 extra townie night 1. Pretty even. If the Day Vig doesn't shoot, there is a chance that he gets sniped night 1, especially with all the talk about him.

I think it's beneficial to have him shoot. The problem is... is there a Day Vig? o.O

On August 02 2011 09:08 ghrur wrote:


Yup, and if Mafia shoots player Y, and player Y dies, then clearly the medic isn't a medic but is mafia. :/ So if mafia tries to be medic, it effectively hurts them.

On August 03 2011 17:35 ghrur wrote:


Yeah, I do. I played with Drazerk AA and he acted the same way. If I recall, it was basically a "Lynch Wiggles" post and then afk.

I'm down for either varpulis or Kenpachi.
I don't get why sandroba's supposed to have seemed town. I mean, looking back on the plan, I realize it's incredibly bad.
and this post by sandroba

docH, how is the simple fact that it's no longer day1 is going to make lynches more acurate down the line? If we can speed up the process and basically skip night 1 how is it possibly bad for town?

What? He knows better than this. So the plan basically becomes let's out the dayvig and give mafia a free blue. :/

On August 04 2011 07:21 ghrur wrote:


Don't be a pessimist. I support the shooting of JeeJee

On August 04 2011 07:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No, I would have said he played scummy as hell because he did. Right away from his first post I thought "ok that looks like scum posturing" and he continued that throughout the whole thread. They weren't objective reasons, that's not what drives scumhunting it's about understanding what scum try to accomplish and how they do it differently than town and he had all the warning signs man

Still supports the plan, but here he actually makes a nonsensical point. Nobody was suggesting the mafia would claim protecting someone and then shoot them instead...

On August 04 2011 08:19 Curu wrote:
Ok as I mentioned someone in my circle is Mafia because Varpulis used the EXACT same argument against redFF that I did.

On August 04 2011 08:19 ghrur wrote:
Redff:
Yes, I understand lynching for information was bad. I was making the point that losing 3 townies is losing 3 townies until I realized day-vigis get 2 shots so we still effectively lose a vigi, and later shots are more accurate. Why did I change positions? I argued with DrH about this in Mafia IRC and reconsidered my position.


Neither was I... I was stating how fake-claims by mafia would hurt them under the plan... Like, do you not understand that that was a continuation of thought from what Curu said? >_>

Also, you're tunneling by the third "point." Did you not read "looking back?" I re-evaluated my position. Would you like to hear why I realize it's a bad plan?
A. It lures out a confirmed townie and ends up with him getting shot.
B. We lose a vigi shot early with the opportunity cost of getting a better shot later on.
C. Vigis get 2 shots, so even if Dayvig dies, it's not a confirmed townie that dies, but a confirmed blue.
D. Instead of ending up with 3 greens dead if mafia stacks, we end up with 2 greens dead and 1 blue dead. Much worse.
So what does this effectively do? Lure out a blue for mafia to kill! Why would Sandroba suggest such a plan then! Why was I stupid enough to support it? Because I was stupid.

I never mentioned JeeJee before... except in IRC and talking about it to TAA. Guess what? I also find Munk-E scummy but I've never mentioned him before in thread either. I don't post everything I think.

On August 04 2011 08:23 redFF wrote:

lol ur scum
I got called scummy for talking about stuff on the public irc channel, your talking about all your reads in pms to a couple of people. that is scummy as fuck.

Please post your thoughts on both JeeJee and Munk-E. you have 10 minutes because if you already talked about it to other then i assume you will be able to post about it..

On August 04 2011 08:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
who was it that varp parroted curu, you mentioned that we need to know who we vig tonight

On August 04 2011 08:25 Curu wrote:


He parroted me. I said the case against redFF, and Varpulis posted the exact same wording a bit later.