+ Show Spoiler +On August 04 2011 08:53 redFF wrote:
alanismorisette:
ghrur ur mafia too stfu
[7:57pm] alanismorisette:
post that analysis
[7:57pm] alanismorisette:
its not bullshit if you have already discussed it with people
[7:57pm] alanismorisette:
just post what you talked about with them
[7:57pm] alanismorisette:
quick!
[7:57pm] ghrur:
It's been past 10 minutes
[7:57pm] ghrur:
My deadline is gone
[7:58pm] ghrur:
and I wanna play basketball
[7:58pm] alanismorisette:
...
[7:58pm] ghrur:
Besides, I already said
[7:58pm] chaos13 joined the chat room.
[7:58pm] ghrur:
I didn't save the chat log
[7:58pm] alanismorisette:
doesnt matter
[7:58pm] ghrur:
Ask TAA if he has it
[7:58pm] alanismorisette:
just post the gist of ur position on them
[7:58pm] alanismorisette:
easy
[7:58pm] alanismorisette:
just do that for me
[7:58pm] ghrur:
Sure, I'll do it
[7:58pm] ghrur:
But I'd rather play basketball
[7:58pm] alanismorisette:
...
[7:58pm] ghrur:
I'll post it afterwards kay?
[7:58pm] alanismorisette:
do it please
[7:58pm] alanismorisette:
no
[7:58pm] alanismorisette:
now
[7:58pm] ghrur:
No, real life > mafia
[7:58pm] alanismorisette:
im sorry but everyone is seeing this right
[7:59pm] alanismorisette:
it will take
[7:59pm] alanismorisette:
like 5 minutes
[7:59pm] alanismorisette:
dude
[7:59pm] youngmin:
i'm laughing my ass off
[7:59pm] alanismorisette:
you could have finished it by now
[7:59pm] ghrur:
??? YM?
[7:59pm] ghrur:
Cya later
[7:59pm] ghrur:
<3
[7:59pm] alanismorisette:
but instead you are gonna go think about it
[7:59pm] ghrur:
I'll post it after
[7:59pm] youngmin:
lolololol
[7:59pm] alanismorisette:
then post it
[7:59pm] alanismorisette:
...
[7:59pm] ghrur:
Yes, I didn't need to think about my defense
[7:59pm] ghrur:
<3
[7:59pm] ghrur:
Cya
[8:00pm] alanismorisette:
...
fuck this guy
HAHAHAHAHAHA, sorry red. xD No, I really did go play basketball, hahaha. I didn't mean any ill will. Hahahaha. I'm glad YM had a good laugh though. Besides, 10 minutes had passed and nothing happened. 
Anyway, down to business. Why Munk-E?
+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [monk-e's analysis] +On August 03 2011 07:21 Munk-E wrote:Below is some analysis of varpulis' posts i'll do more people later. Show nested quote +Alright guys, it's game on. I'd like to start with a suggestion. It's very basic, but very vital.
Vig's, be you day or night, holster your gun and try to ignore the itch of your trigger finger. This holds true in every game, but it's especially important in this one. Look at the role list, and see how much kp we potentially have in the game. Every vig role has two shots, half of them can shoot during the day. That's a lot of kp that will be a lot more useful later on.
Dayvigs: If you must shoot, claim and let us discuss. If you're willing to shoot, make sure that you've got approval from the town. Gut shots are wrong as often as they're right.
Hatters: You guys are special, because even if the scumbag mafia doesn't kill you, your bob-ombs will still go off. You also can't move them, so I don't think it's a smart idea to place them from the get go. Wait a day/night cycle, at least. It's for the good of everybody.
With that said, let's get to the game and kill us some scum. As an aside, i'm currently very dissapointed that Kurumi didn't give me my favorite class, though I guess it can't be helped, he wasn't in the game anyways. Here he says to not shoot day 1, unless you want to that is, then just reveal your plan forcing you to shoot anyways because you're gonna die, because you revealed your role. I don't see his opinion, because he keeps changing it in this post. at the beginning he says to not shoot, as always and it is especially important in this game, followed by him saying it's okay for dayvigs to shoot. Furthermore he tells them to claim before shooting! Claiming is a death sentence, and it means they'd have to shoot to take people down with them, because they're gonna die anyway. As an aside, does anyone know what his favorite role is? Show nested quote +My only real qualm about the plan is the possibility of 2 dead townies day 1, but I don't see a huge problem with setting up a town circle around a confirmed dayvig.
People shouldn't be expecting shitloads of blues though. If we have a medic, which we might not, (21 players, remember) they will be tied up making sure the only confirmed player doesn't kick the bucket.
Nothing should be shared in IRC that would not be shared in thread, by the way. If our confirmed town wants to direct blues or if people want to claim to him, do it in PMs, for the love of god, and don't start talking in thread or irc like you're a confirmed blue.
The only one who should know is the confirmed townie. Information leaks kills blues in PM games.
Should we use the plan, I suggest a very simple system: vote normally. Whoever has the most votes dies. So, here he fully supports the plan again despite his own extra important rule of not shooting day 1. He first says no shooting, then says maybe IF you make sure your going to get yourself killed, and finally now he's all for it! Show nested quote +Anybody who is publicly known to be controlling the blues/leading the town is going to get shot eventually, especially if they've got kp.
I'll eat my hat if we've got more than 1 medic in a 20 player game. Here he will eat his hat if his plan that he loves so much which goes against his extra important rule actually works... Show nested quote +hmm, it's a good point actually.
A serious question: Do you guys think we'll have a better chance of killing scum if we do this day 1?
If we can kill scum it's worth it (durr) but otherwise I have a safer suggestion:
Why don't we wait until there are only 2 mafia left. That way they can't doublestack and we don't lose a blue role night 1. this is after being asked why he likes the plan after he gave his own piece of evidence against it (above)! He gives no answer. Instead, he reverts to a compromise of his beloved plan. and no varpulis, it's a 20% chance. I'm not willing to take that risk, especially because it's roughly the same odds we'll hit a blue. Show nested quote +I'm fairly sure that i'm not scum, unless I have a serious problem with reading pms.
RedFF I'm not so sure on. I'm leaning scum because he started off his "no plan" campaign without evidence or an argument, and then just picked up DrH's and copied it, it seems.
That said, I don't disagree with DrH. Our confirmed townie will be dead night 1, and we'll be back to square one, possibly with 2 dead townies. Again, the plan is really good, but only if we wait for mafia to not have enough kp to override the medic protect we will most likely be able to slap on the confirmed townie.
To address Mig's accusation: In irc sandroba didn't explain his plan entirely. I read it as "double lynch day 1" period. That in itself is very bad. The good part of the plan is the confirmed townie. When he posted and explained that point, It sounded good.
Then I realized that mafia can double stack and just kill the confirmed townie, it sounded bad again, until i figured out a solution.
Is there a real reason that we need to use the plan right now? With patience, it will work better, i guarantee. Here his is accusing redff for taking the position of the argument HE'S taking! (Maybe he lost track by now!) It seems like he's just trying to accuse someone for the sake of accusing! Wishy-washy doesn't even begin to explain this. He just won't make up his mind! While I'm not sure this indicates him 100% as being scum, it is VERY suspicious. Unfortunately however, I don't think it's possible to brand him as scum from JUST this. but he's certainly quite possibly scum. On August 03 2011 07:34 Lucidity wrote:I think you missed one of Varpulis' important posts Munk-E: Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote:On August 03 2011 02:43 Mig wrote:
Varp every post you make screams wishy washy to me. Where is the confident Varpulis I have played with in the past? Every opinion you give you list the pros and cons and then you end up taking a pretty neutral stance. I haven't seen you have a strong opinion of anything yet.
If you had to vote for someone right now who would it be for and why? Do you find anyone besides red scummy? I got called out for wishy washiness in PTP (day 1) as well. Day 1 nothing is solid, there's rarely anything to base arguments off of until late in the day, and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum. I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet. By the way, if we're going ahead with the plan, could we have a soldier/sniper claim? If there are none we need to reevaluate. Well, in his analysis of Varpulis, notice first that he misses an important post which Lucidity points out. He seemed to be doing a post-by-post style analysis (which btw, is bad), yet misses that important post? Why? To hid Varpulis's scumminess. To be nicer to his teammate. Also notice in this analysis how adamant he is with the attack on Varpulis. He uses multiple exclamation points, capitalization for emphasis, and even calls him VERY suspicious. BUT WAIT! He backs out of it. Notice: I'm not sure this indicates him 100% as being scum but he's certainly quite possibly scum. Certainly quite possibly scum. LOL. I have never seen more wishy-washyness than that. Hahaha, god. That's just backing out of it completely man. Oh, and notice how there's no vote until nearly the end of the day, probably to bus. Oh, and he never votes in the voting thread (booooooooooo). Now, on Munk-E's next analysis, his style totally changes! Someone in Loonybin pointed this out: Munk-E's posts go like this - 1. Stuff about plan. 2. Play-by-play "analysis" 3. Normal, concise analysis. How does one person's posting style change that much? I don't know, seems like he has a team behind him. Look at his arguments as well. Are they new? Are they original? Or are they just parroting OriginalName? Yeah, they're just parroting ON's analysis that Varp was wishy-washy. Note this remark too. On August 04 2011 03:53 Munk-E wrote:He seems VERY eager to get everyone's opinion on everyone, he PMed me asking my opinion on chaos and varp, to which i responded blandly and generically. I don't get why that's bad. It's good that Mig is trying to get people's opinions out and into the open. It's also good that he's pressuring people and using PMs well. Calling that scummy is just trying to stifle PMs and opinions. On August 04 2011 03:53 Munk-E wrote:I don't see why activity is a "town" thing to do. and why lurking is a mafia thing really, especially if being a lurker makes them suspected as being mafia. (Meta, huh?) Anyway, i might vote for him depending on if i think lucidity is more scummy or not Activity is of course good for town because this means we get more to analyze. Stifling activity and supporting lurking is just trying to ruin the town atmosphere. Mig did nothing wrong, even with his words, yet he's attacking him randomly. Why? Why is he also jumping from person to person and throwing out random accusations that don't even make sense? Why doesn't h vote for either of the people he analyzed? To get the town in chaos. To get votes off of Varpulis. Also, if he suspected Lucidity, why doesn't he analyze HIM instead? Now, keep this in mind when you read this: On August 04 2011 06:33 Munk-E wrote:
TBH, It would have been a toss up between varp and lucid for me, but I haven't done proper analysis of lucid, so voting for him would look VERY suspicious. I think both are scum anyway. Where is Mig in this equation? Why wouldn't he mention Mig if he did a full blown analysis calling him suspicious? That makes no sense... unless he did it just to seem town. If he found Lucid suspicious, he should've analyzed Lucidity first instead of going after Mig. Unless he's just trying to cast doubt, out one of our top scumhunters, seem town in the process through analysis posts, and end up not voting for them until the end of the day. :/ Yeah, seems about right.
Now, onto JeeJee.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 03 2011 01:41 JeeJee wrote:
pressure votes are stupid, where did this trend come from? you know when you say "yeah this is a pressure vote", that's pretty much equivalent to "idk who to vote so i'm voting you, but i'm not actually suspicious of you because all you need to do is say something and i'll remove my vote from you".
nobody can seriously feel threatened from a pressure vote, so there's no 'pressure' it's just a throwaway vote Okay, this post was stupid. yes, pressure votes are bad. No, you do not need to point them out. If the person being pressured doesn't know this, they might slip up. Now that he knows this, the chances are lessened. Why would you post this? It provides no benefit to town, and only serves to help mafia. I'm not arguing against the logic here, but the purpose. It serves no good purpose. i see re-evaluation there, not wishy-washiness. do you see otherwise? random fos are just as useless as pressure votes. sandro and varp are both bad in that department as far as i'm concerned. by itself though, it doesn't mean much, and there's nothing else yet.
as for me, i don't have scum leanings on anyone. town leans yes, scum leans no. Defense of Varp, and aside from that, no information really. I mean, he seems to suspect YM at this point, but doesn't say anything about it. Not even a scum lean? Really? Hmmmmm, Idk. still not voting, but i'll be here before the deadline tomorrow, no worries. Wishy washyyyyyyyyyyy. Yeah... why would you call someone scum and then not vote? I don't know. On August 03 2011 12:42 JeeJee wrote:
actually screw it let's get the ball rolling.
anyone disagree with drazerk as a candidate? Why would you ask if other people disagree? Who cares if other people disagree? You still push them anyway. They'll voice their disagreements anyway. Do you need town's permission or something? No! So why all the caution? Serves no purpose. On August 04 2011 05:14 JeeJee wrote:
i still think the case against varp is terrible. it's pretty much equivalent to redff's case, which is equally bad. drazerk is still deliberately avoiding this thread while posting in others but sadly not enough people care. seems to be off to a wonderful start. This is just saying, yes, you lynched a mafia, but you're still not off to a good start. It doesn't mean much. Well, why wouldn't it? We lynched scum, we have voting records, and we have defenses. He defended Varp. He's trying to justify it in this post. He's trying to throw off suspicion. I don't like it. He also shifts the attention off the Varp lynch and onto Drazerk again. Why do that? The lynch means a lot since a red just died. Focus on it. :/ Seems like he's throwing doubt around with that remark.
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