EPTI still think he's a 3rd Party though, so unless something better comes up I'm all for lynching him.
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
I still think he's a 3rd Party though, so unless something better comes up I'm all for lynching him. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
I wrote that in caps because half the people posting seem to have completely missed that. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4291 Posts
On July 25 2011 14:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: bolded part is the lie. ON was town, not disguised as it. Also ON had a clause in his role requiring him to kill HP. It seems very well, odd to have 2 townies fighting over the same items to get a power role and then have 1 having to kill the other while the other just wants the items? Why would town be required to kill town. Ehhhhh I'm not convinced, that could easily be flavour text. Until Jackal's claim, Harry Potter was hidden amongst the town as well. I seem to remember reading in an insane game that one of the townies had the win condition of getting another specific townie in BrownBear lynched so it's not inconceivable, although that was an insane game  I'm listening but you haven't sold me. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
It has nothing to do with randomization unless two people decided to make their roles together. dec stated he doesn't want any role organization plans or w/e so I think it's most certainly dec's creation. Then again I don't understand how they are exactly identical roles and the decision to place Hallows around, since Jackal claimed he has a Mason-type role and that was what ON's was too. The possibilities I see are: 1) Two people decided they wanted to put Harry/Voldy in the game and collaborated together to do so (against dec's urging not to) 2) Dec created two roles for people by himself (???) 3) Dec took two roles that were Mason roles and decided to add onto them himself I highly, highly doubt someone just decided to put it into their role to kill Harry Potter as he can't even know Harry Potter would be in the game. I'm almost certain this is dec's doing, and if so then what I am saying makes sense. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On July 25 2011 14:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Could ON actually be mafia, but just flips green, thus the "disguised as town" from Jackal's PM? Like a GF that keeps working after death. Other than that, I'm drawing a blank, besides that Jackal's scum. If this is the case I'm going to have an aneurysm. ON had better be town if he flipped town | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On July 25 2011 14:36 youngminii wrote: It's not the randomisation thing, it's the "VOLDEMORT HAS DISGUISED HIMSELF AS TOWN" I wrote that in caps because half the people posting seem to have completely missed that. It could just be like You are harry potter and you know he who must not be named is evil and a douche and scary and a snake man but somehow he has become part of town, MUST BE A DISGUISE!!! So i wouldn't necessarily say that Jackal lied while doing that. That said, it's the best evidence we have so far and I would be fine with a Jackal lynch. I think the stuff that someone brought up about Drazerk was the most damning evidence though. Ima wait for Jackal to post tommorow before i cast my vote. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
No picking plans I don't want this game to revolve around a super pre-defined picking strategy. If you want to ask for advice in the thread thats fine, but ultimately pick roles that you think would lead to a fun, interesting game. This was in your OP, does this mean you expressly forbid people to collaborate together to make their roles? | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On July 25 2011 14:41 Curu wrote: @Wiggles It has nothing to do with randomization unless two people decided to make their roles together. dec stated he doesn't want any role organization plans or w/e so I think it's most certainly dec's creation. Then again I don't understand how they are exactly identical roles and the decision to place Hallows around, since Jackal claimed he has a Mason-type role and that was what ON's was too. The possibilities I see are: 1) Two people decided they wanted to put Harry/Voldy in the game and collaborated together to do so (against dec's urging not to) 2) Dec created two roles for people by himself (???) 3) Dec took two roles that were Mason roles and decided to add onto them himself I highly, highly doubt someone just decided to put it into their role to kill Harry Potter as he can't even know Harry Potter would be in the game. I'm almost certain this is dec's doing, and if so then what I am saying makes sense. I feel like maybe someone failed to submit a role on time or something? eiii asked in irc if anyone wanted to create an extra role for the game iirc, so maybe decon just saw someone made voldemort and added in hp? | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On July 25 2011 14:43 Curu wrote: lol, chaos13 knows full well the frustrations of untrustworthy flips from WaW2 <3. Goddamn that pissed me off so much. I came back from camping and read my death post wondering if I'd read my role PM wrong. OT: What gets me is that even if he is mafia, Jackal would have no reason to include a false statement in his claim. He's a good enough player that I'm sure he would be able to get ON lynched based on the simple premise of "Voldemort = scum". As I mentioned before though, we're discussing lynching someone based on role claims. There's a whole lot of WIFOM going on here, and that's just not good. Vote based on analysis rather than roles. We have a confirmed role PM from decon on Voldy. We have a claim from Jackal that is quite similar, except for some minor differences. So Jackal is almost assuredly not lying about his role claim. Why then, would he include a false statement? Even as mafia, why? That's the thing that isn't making sense to me here. I think what needs to be done is examine the behavior rather than the claims. I'm with DropBear. I can understand why you're coming from this angle, but the evidence isn't enough to sell me. Decon, are you able to clarify whether these roles are made by players or made by you? Once he comes in and answers that question we can bring the topic up again. Until then I suggest we stop basing arguments on WIFOM and contribute something of more substance. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
 great idea? Honest to god I feel like that's where this town is headed...."hey there's some flavor text here that might say jackal is mafia....or maybe he's 3rd party...I don't do behavior analysis because I'm lazy..." | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
On July 25 2011 14:41 Curu wrote: @Wiggles It has nothing to do with randomization unless two people decided to make their roles together. dec stated he doesn't want any role organization plans or w/e so I think it's most certainly dec's creation. Then again I don't understand how they are exactly identical roles and the decision to place Hallows around, since Jackal claimed he has a Mason-type role and that was what ON's was too. The possibilities I see are: 1) Two people decided they wanted to put Harry/Voldy in the game and collaborated together to do so (against dec's urging not to) 2) Dec created two roles for people by himself (???) 3) Dec took two roles that were Mason roles and decided to add onto them himself I highly, highly doubt someone just decided to put it into their role to kill Harry Potter as he can't even know Harry Potter would be in the game. I'm almost certain this is dec's doing, and if so then what I am saying makes sense. You said you were all for lynching Jackal and now you're saying that jackals claim was well founded? If you believe jackals claim and agree both roles were mason how can you call jackal a 3rd party mason? | ||
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DropBear
Australia4291 Posts
 Fantasy rather than Reality. I have ZerO idea why he's doing it but his Actions aren't helping keep me Calm, maybe I should go watch a  Movie | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
.I don't see what Wiggles's issue is, can you clarify that for me Wiggles? What I said about the Hallows makes sense IMO since pure randomization really defeats the purpose of having the Hallows game sine you'd ensure they'd never be given away if they randomized into the hands of Mafia or malicious 3rd Party. Win conditions are surely not made up by the players themselves so I don't think dec would have put in an extra win condition for Voldy then made it a redundant one. @Foolishness It's already generating discussion. What behavior do we have to go off of atm? @Tackster I didn't say a thing about Jackal's claim being well founded. Can you point out to me where I ever said Jackal's claim is legit and I don't want to lynch him? All I said was I think he's 3rd Party rather than Mafia but that makes a good lynch too. And did you even bother to read OriginalName's role PM? He chooses people to Mason that changes each day, he doesn't start the game Masoned with a set someone. | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
First things first. On July 25 2011 13:39 Foolishness wrote: Can we please stop the mass role claiming now? I'm looking at the title of the game and it clearly has the word 'Mafia' in it, and nowhere are the words 'claim'. Has there ever been an instance where a mafia claimed day 1 in a game such as this? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there has. TL mafia players aren't ballsy enough to do something like that. You guys can yap all you want about these people being mafia, but while you do players like kitaman get a free ride as they make useless posts while pretending to be active.I agree with this 100%. There is very little reason for anyone to have claimed. It was wholly unnecessary for the progression of our game, seeing as we're not even 24 hours in. The early kill was a little unnecessary this early into the game as well. (Did it even say anywhere that youngmini's alignment was confirmed? If I read correctly, I saw someone say he was confirmed which cannot be true given there was nothing about alignment in that post.) On July 25 2011 14:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Could ON actually be mafia, but just flips green, thus the "disguised as town" from Jackal's PM? Like a GF that keeps working after death. Other than that, I'm drawing a blank, besides that Jackal's scum. I am really hoping this is not the case as it would be a major pain in the ass for all of us involved (except scum, probably). At this moment, I am unsure as to who scum is (which is pretty reasonable this early in the game). I mean, I have my suspicions, but there is definitely nothing to warrant a vote and I feel I will be unable to do so until I get up in like 9 hours. Personally, I don't think Jackal is scum. I think it was more or less a race to get items and retain them (unless I missed something about them having to kill each other). | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
As for the thing about Voldemort, I think my post most clearly pointed out that I doubt it's legit because it doesn't make sense for any hint at player alignment to be in a role PM. | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
On July 25 2011 15:06 Curu wrote: And if you mean where I believed his role abilities, what are the chances that he claims some power then Voldemort flips with the exact same power? He's almost certainly telling the truth about his Mason power, and that's easily confirmable anyways. As for the thing about Voldemort, I think my post most clearly pointed out that I doubt it's legit because it doesn't make sense for any hint at player alignment to be in a role PM. My point is you believe they're both created by dec, they're both modified masons and they both are after the items. Then you say that Potter is red because Voldy was green. Or that Jackal is red because he lied about voldy 'hiding in town' yet when potter says he need to kill voldy that's just flavour text and he's really a mason. That is highly inconsistent. If they're both masons you have no reason to suspect potter of being non-green. If you think potter knew voldy was green then you MUST think voldy had an alternate win condition - but you made a big post about how he's a mason that dec invented. I'm just pointing about the inconsistency... | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 25 2011 15:02 Curu wrote: Dec stated people who failed to create roles were going to be modkilled though. And, judging from my own role, people who made up roles in five minutes are not all that uncommon .I don't see what Wiggles's issue is, can you clarify that for me Wiggles? What I said about the Hallows makes sense IMO since pure randomization really defeats the purpose of having the Hallows game sine you'd ensure they'd never be given away if they randomized into the hands of Mafia or malicious 3rd Party. Win conditions are surely not made up by the players themselves so I don't think dec would have put in an extra win condition for Voldy then made it a redundant one. @Foolishness It's already generating discussion. What behavior do we have to go off of atm? @Tackster I didn't say a thing about Jackal's claim being well founded. Can you point out to me where I ever said Jackal's claim is legit and I don't want to lynch him? All I said was I think he's 3rd Party rather than Mafia but that makes a good lynch too. And did you even bother to read OriginalName's role PM? He chooses people to Mason that changes each day, he doesn't start the game Masoned with a set someone. I don't see anyone making any arguments against Jackal based on his behavior thus far. I read through his posts and frankly there's nothing indicating that he needs to hang from the noose. I am not convinced that a mafia would roleclaim straight up on day 1, that's just an lol newbie move. Of course his responses tomorrow will greatly help us, but lynching him off of flavor text is like lynching off of day 1 clues. It never works, and inactives sit and mafia twiddle their thumbs. I decided to Start counting the number of posts where kitaman asks a question. I gave up because I was starting to run out of fingers. It would be nice to see him make a post longer than 2 lines. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
I don't think you've read my posts at all because this: Or that Jackal is red because he lied about voldy 'hiding in town' yet when potter says he need to kill voldy that's just flavour text and he's really a mason. Makes no sense to me at all. Why do I have no reason to suspect Potter is non-green if he's a Mason? He gets to CHOOSE one person to Mason each cycle and then picks a new one after, this is no way shape or form any indication of green-ness. I'm so confused about what you are trying to say. | ||
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