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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
Radfield claims PGO - veteran, but jackal now has his bat, so jackal has become the PGO. That leaves Radfield as Veteran. And Kavdragon claims to be a hitman contractor, he can hit people whenever he feels like it, even daytime, by spending 1.5 million. You guys see where I'm going with this? We pay Kavdragon tomorrow for shooting Radfield. Confirms both their claims! | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
We use Chez's ability to transfer money to make the transaction, confirming chez's claim too! | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
However, I could be a vet and still be mafia Kav could be a hitman and still be mafia. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On July 17 2011 23:36 Palmar wrote: Actually, here is an interesting idea. Radfield claims PGO - veteran, but jackal now has his bat, so jackal has become the PGO. That leaves Radfield as Veteran. And Kavdragon claims to be a hitman contractor, he can hit people whenever he feels like it, even daytime, by spending 1.5 million. You guys see where I'm going with this? We pay Kavdragon tomorrow for shooting Radfield. Confirms both their claims! Except that I don't care about what those claims are at all. Remember that mafia suposedly have a BP vest and a DT cloak. That means that rad would survive the shot either way, telling the truth or not. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
Also, why did you ask for a dt check when you knew you were a pgo? trying to kill our cops? | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On July 17 2011 23:28 sandroba wrote: Jackal, look at day1. If Radfield wasn't scum, ON would vote for him instead of nisani, don't you think? ON saved his vote for very late in the day, he was unhappy with both options. Radfield the same, I tried to persuade him to vote for nisani many times through pm, but always got the answer that he thought he was town. Instead he tried to make a last minute wagon on you, for very poor reasons at that point. Come'on you are unhappy with nisani lynch and instead you try to random lynch jackal day1 as town? How much sense does that make? On July 17 2011 23:29 Radfield wrote: Why is heist not in your assessment? Why don't you think I am the last mafia member? I think it's because I have you stuck in my head as the SK. Sorry that is my "tunnelvision" shining through. I like Sandroba's assessment better than mine. Either way we have 2 anti-town players to kill. I believe that those two lie in the group of you, Chez and Kav. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Also there's no way scum has that kind of role in a 8 3 1 settings | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On July 17 2011 23:37 sandroba wrote: Radfield, even if you really have the role you claim, there's simply no way you are town this game. You played very suspicious day one for a townie with that role. You were begginng for a DT check / Vig shot. If you had this role as town, I'm 100% positive you would play it very differently. So either way, lying about your role or not you are still mafia. What happened Day 1: I posted some funsy posts to start the game. Extrememly non-standard play for me, no matter if i'm mafia or town. Check my other games as mafia, I post very straight up. Because of my poor posting, suspicion is thrown on me from several different angles. I spend much of the day defending myself, culminating on me trying to straighten things out by asking for a grace period. It's extremely difficult to get reads on players when everyone is either defending you or attacking you. Your bias kicks in and it's difficult to remain objective, even if you realize the bias is there. Despite this, I still become a lynch target based on super flimsy evidence. Because of this I have become an obvious target for both dt's and vigis, possibly still medics simply based on who I am. I plan on claiming my role in thread to avoid anyone visiting me at night. Ask Palmar, as he is the one who dissuaded me from revealing my role in thread, even going so far as to call me stupid  As an aside, in PYPI, foolishness accused me of the same thing. "There's no way you would play the way you did if you were Bulletproof". I try to play the same no matter my role: Red, Green, Blue or Vet. However, this game I played extremely different to start off the game. What does this mean? I'm red? I'm blue? Of course not, it simply means that I posted thinking this game was fundamentally different from other mafia games I have joined in the past. As it turns out, this is playing out very similar to a standard game, and is not fundamentally different in any way. The only reason I joined this is I thought I could get by with low activity requirements. I dropped out of Closed Casket due to time constraints, and I disclaimered this game by saying I didn't intend on doing much combing of the thread. Sandro, here are the reasons that you think I am scum: * My role seems to unbalanced to believe. I agree with you here, and obviously I can't defend it. It's hardly an indictment of me though in a game such as this. * My non-standard posting this game I've tried to address this above, and I hope you agree that this is a null-tell at best. My posting so far this game doesn't resemble any mafia game I have EVER played. Regardless of role. * ON's behaviour during Day 1. Again, I see where you are coming from, but I think we need to break this down more. First off, lets agree that lynching me Day 1, and having me flip green, would make every player on that train look very suspicious. Even more so, any player who early on defended me or stated they didn't want to lynch me, would look like an almost for sure mafia. Once Nisani flipped red later in the game, even more evidence would be piled up. Originalname posted very early on that he thought lynching me Day 1 was a bad idea(just like you Sandro). He stated this long before Nisani ever because a clear target. Imagine what it would look like if he(or you) decided to change their mind and suddenly vote for me based on weak evidence. So, when did OriginalName put down his vote on Nisani? There were 4 votes on each of Radfield and Nisani, but I had yet to vote, and GM had already indicated he wanted to save me. As such, there was no way that Nisani could be saved, even if OriginalName had switched his vote onto me. Once myself and GM voted, it would be 6-5 and Nisani still would have flipped red, except that now ON would be totally busted. As godfather, the one thing you don't want to do is mess with your voting habits. I have more to say about GM's role during Day 1(not to mention Kav's role during Day 2), but I have no more time to spend on the comp. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
The reasons I think you are scum are the following: 1) You decided to play "different" in the game you got that PGO role. That doesn't make sense as town. I know you and you play to win. You could have easely drawn a mafia shot night1 by posting your standart, but instead you do "different" shit and that would obviously lead to town suspicion. Also Idc who told you to not claim in the thread night 1. At that point, if you were town, you had no way of knowing for sure palmar wasn't mafia. Claiming that shit just to him when tons of suspicion were on you already makes no sense as town. If you had town's best interest in mind you would either drop your bat or claim in thread, neither of which you did. That's not even considering how stupid that role of yours is for a townie Radfield (apologies to lsb if I'm somehow wrong about this). Also your role and behaviour fits nicely with the items mafia suposedly has. You wanted a DT check to clear you: mafia has a DT cloak. You wanted to be shot to confirm you: mafia has a BP vest. I got rb'ed last night: you had a bat. 2) You have no info yet you blind trust palmar and give jackal your bat. 3) Your behaviour day1, as I explained in previous posts. In this game we could be at lylo day2. It's way worse for scum to lose an important player day1 than to suposedly look suspicous day2. ON saved his vote for very late into the day. He wasn't happy with either lynch, but he voted for nisani to save you. You also were not happy with nisani's lynch, you tryed to switch the lynch to jackal late in the day. I pm'ed you multiple times to convince you nisani was scum and you didn't want to lynch him anyway. Your reasoning for pushing the lynch to jackal at that point was terrible. Even if you weren't sure that nisani was scum you couldn't possibly be more sure that jackal was. You know that discussing a player to death day1, just to random switch to another player at the last minute is terrible for town. It produces no information and at that point, even if somehow you thought nisani wasn't scum, you know that last minute switch to jackal is a bad idea. 4) It's the easiest way to explain everything that happened so far in the game, for many reasons. 5) I got plenty more but I think this should be enough. =P | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I see why you think i'm scum, but I feel like you're blinding yourself to whats been going on. I still don't understand why you guys are giving heist a pass. Was he the dt check last night? anyways, I hate to draw attention to an after death post again but: On July 17 2011 12:16 OriginalName wrote: THERE KAV I TRIED ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!?!?!?! ?? | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On July 17 2011 12:49 Kavdragon wrote: You didn't try hard enough. I could have stopped this with your help. On another note, that sounds really scummy! Why do you wish you had stopped it? I feel like this is a GG post... | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 18 2011 00:07 Radfield wrote: Because of this I have become an obvious target for both dt's and vigis, possibly still medics simply based on who I am. I plan on claiming my role in thread to avoid anyone visiting me at night. Ask Palmar, as he is the one who dissuaded me from revealing my role in thread, even going so far as to call me stupid I said that you were not stupid enough to actually think that was a good idea. That's the thing, you're way smarter than the way you're playing. I've read pypi and I've seen you play in ccm, this thing is out of character for both your town and scum play. Also, trying to play exactly the same as green as when you're red is stupid, it only works one way. You should always try to establish you're green, even if that means smashing your metagame for when you're scum. Anyway, I think you're much better at town than you've showed us this game, and that's one of the big damning factors as to why I think you're scum. | ||
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