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On July 15 2011 05:15 chaos13 wrote:
I already made a giant post of my opinions on players, and that was pretty much ignored except for ON to criticize it. Really, nothing I say will make any difference at this point. I've got the entire player roster except for you tunneling on me
You listed GM and Jackal as the scummiest guys or? Who should be lynched tomorrow instead of You?
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It depends on what this deal with mine and syllogism's statements contradicting is. If my flipping town proves syllo lied, then syllogism should be lynched. If that doesn't turn out to be the case, I would suggest heist or OriginalName.
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Radfield
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Nisani the Mafia Tekkie has had his throat ripped apart.
I honestly did not think Nisani would flip scum.... I spent about a half hour chatting with him last night, trying to come to an agreement with him to move his vote onto Jackal(who I thought was scum). I explained to him that I would also vote Jackal, and along with Chez and GM(who I thought would have) we could get him lynched. I also explained that the only way he wouldn't die was if he followed this plan.
However, Nisani was extremely reluctant to follow this plan, and refused to switch his vote. He insisted that one of me or Kurumi had to be scum. In fact, his alternate plan was that he would post a large analysis on Kurumi and try to get him lynched(this is with 2 hours left). I explained to him that trying to start in on Kurumi would only ensure his own death. It was a very confusing conversation, and seemed like Nisani really had no grasp on the situation at hand.
Anyways, the conversation solidified for me the fact that Kurumi is very likely town(given that Nisani flipped red). It also implicates Jackal considering that Nisani refused to switch votes onto him. I don't understand why a mafia would be reluctant to switch onto a townie to save his own hide, especially when I would have likely taken the blame for the lynch-switch.
This also makes this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 14 2011 10:57 Jackal58 wrote:
##UNVOTE: Radfield
##VOTE: Nisani
I don't want no scummy shenanigans.
all the more scummy, considering Jackal jumped on the bandwagon(or the bus) at the last minute.
Is this a complete indictment of Jackal? Nope.
1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options.
2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible.
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Anyways, I have yet to reread the thread, but Gmarsh is fairly scummy right now.
Consider: He came into the thread to make a huge defense of me, but then DID NOT put his vote down on Nisani, leaving my fate up in the air. If he truly wanted to save me, he needed to vote for NIsani, and not try to start up a third option with Heist. That being said, the lynch never came down to the wire so it's unclear whether he would have switched over to save me towards the end.
But if Nisani and Gmarsh were both mafia, his actions make perfect sense. Save Radfield and gain pro-town credit from the other sensible players, but redirect the lynch off of Nisani onto a semi-lurker.
As a general aside, his policy lurker-lynching attitude is very anti-town. I posted in detail why lynching lurkers day 1 was bad, and he never responded. I think if he truly felt that lynching lurkers was the right play, he would have replied to my criticism and discussed it more.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Ain't this post a gem  Where oh where did those reads on GM and Chaos come from?
On July 13 2011 06:39 Nisani201 wrote:
I make one post and now everyone is all over me? WTF?
The only reason why you guys think that the post is scummy is because it isn't super confident. I wasn't being very confident about it because there was so little evidence; Day 1 reads should never yield absolute confidence IMO. I doubt he will get lynched today but I was just suggesting that it would be better to lynch him because of scumminess rather than a lurker.
I don't think we should lynch Chezinu because he's not posting. If he completely lurks then he will just get modkilled anyways.
Anyways, I guess I'll post my opinions on some players now, because I'll probably be asked to do so anyways sooner or later.
Radfield - Appears to be full of contradictions and scumslips. They are forgivable but we should definitely keep an eye on him throughout Day 2.
Kurumi - He seems to be slowly easing off his tunneling of Radfield, probably because people are calling him scum. If he truly thought that Radfield were Mafia then I think he would be pressing a bit harder, but now he just seems to be acting for the crowd. Suspicious.
chaos13 - Playing pro-town; all of his posts have evidence behind them and have a lot of content. Doesn't seem suspicious.
GMarshal - Seems to be playing his standard leadership town role. I don't see a difference between his playstyle now and his playstyle from RTM so he seems innocent to me.
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On July 15 2011 05:56 Radfield wrote:I honestly did not think Nisani would flip scum.... I spent about a half hour chatting with him last night, trying to come to an agreement with him to move his vote onto Jackal(who I thought was scum). I explained to him that I would also vote Jackal, and along with Chez and GM(who I thought would have) we could get him lynched. I also explained that the only way he wouldn't die was if he followed this plan. However, Nisani was extremely reluctant to follow this plan, and refused to switch his vote. He insisted that one of me or Kurumi had to be scum. In fact, his alternate plan was that he would post a large analysis on Kurumi and try to get him lynched(this is with 2 hours left). I explained to him that trying to start in on Kurumi would only ensure his own death. It was a very confusing conversation, and seemed like Nisani really had no grasp on the situation at hand. Anyways, the conversation solidified for me the fact that Kurumi is very likely town(given that Nisani flipped red). It also implicates Jackal considering that Nisani refused to switch votes onto him. I don't understand why a mafia would be reluctant to switch onto a townie to save his own hide, especially when I would have likely taken the blame for the lynch-switch. This also makes this post: + Show Spoiler +On July 14 2011 10:57 Jackal58 wrote:
##UNVOTE: Radfield
##VOTE: Nisani
I don't want no scummy shenanigans. all the more scummy, considering Jackal jumped on the bandwagon(or the bus) at the last minute. Is this a complete indictment of Jackal? Nope. 1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options. 2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible. _________________ Anyways, I have yet to reread the thread, but Gmarsh is fairly scummy right now. Consider: He came into the thread to make a huge defense of me, but then DID NOT put his vote down on Nisani, leaving my fate up in the air. If he truly wanted to save me, he needed to vote for NIsani, and not try to start up a third option with Heist. That being said, the lynch never came down to the wire so it's unclear whether he would have switched over to save me towards the end. But if Nisani and Gmarsh were both mafia, his actions make perfect sense. Save Radfield and gain pro-town credit from the other sensible players, but redirect the lynch off of Nisani onto a semi-lurker. As a general aside, his policy lurker-lynching attitude is very anti-town. I posted in detail why lynching lurkers day 1 was bad, and he never responded. I think if he truly felt that lynching lurkers was the right play, he would have replied to my criticism and discussed it more.
I changed votes to ensure that a vote switch to you wasn't possible.
At the time Nisani had 5 votes. You had 4.
At the time I felt you were probable SK (Nothing changed there)
My belief that Nisani was scum rose a bit after his final post. I already told you how I saw him react to pressure in CCM.
Nisani as scum has help.
You as SK do not.
If scum was hiding a vote on Nisani they could have easily switched it to you in the last second.
If you're SK great. If you're not not so great. So I switched votes to keep that from happening.
Don't like it fine. I'm hoping to get you lynched today.
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On July 15 2011 03:48 Palmar wrote:
Anyway, I need to leave for a few hours to play golf.
Will be around for 20 more minutes or so.
I already have roleclaims from Kurumi, Syllogism, Sandroba, Radfield, Jackal58 and Chaos13 has claimed publicly in the thread. That means Heist, ON, Chezinu, GM need to claim.
I'm pretty should I responded with my role..
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On July 15 2011 06:13 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 05:56 Radfield wrote:Nisani the Mafia Tekkie has had his throat ripped apart. I honestly did not think Nisani would flip scum.... I spent about a half hour chatting with him last night, trying to come to an agreement with him to move his vote onto Jackal(who I thought was scum). I explained to him that I would also vote Jackal, and along with Chez and GM(who I thought would have) we could get him lynched. I also explained that the only way he wouldn't die was if he followed this plan. However, Nisani was extremely reluctant to follow this plan, and refused to switch his vote. He insisted that one of me or Kurumi had to be scum. In fact, his alternate plan was that he would post a large analysis on Kurumi and try to get him lynched(this is with 2 hours left). I explained to him that trying to start in on Kurumi would only ensure his own death. It was a very confusing conversation, and seemed like Nisani really had no grasp on the situation at hand. Anyways, the conversation solidified for me the fact that Kurumi is very likely town(given that Nisani flipped red). It also implicates Jackal considering that Nisani refused to switch votes onto him. I don't understand why a mafia would be reluctant to switch onto a townie to save his own hide, especially when I would have likely taken the blame for the lynch-switch. This also makes this post: + Show Spoiler +On July 14 2011 10:57 Jackal58 wrote:
##UNVOTE: Radfield
##VOTE: Nisani
I don't want no scummy shenanigans. all the more scummy, considering Jackal jumped on the bandwagon(or the bus) at the last minute. Is this a complete indictment of Jackal? Nope. 1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options. 2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible. _________________ Anyways, I have yet to reread the thread, but Gmarsh is fairly scummy right now. Consider: He came into the thread to make a huge defense of me, but then DID NOT put his vote down on Nisani, leaving my fate up in the air. If he truly wanted to save me, he needed to vote for NIsani, and not try to start up a third option with Heist. That being said, the lynch never came down to the wire so it's unclear whether he would have switched over to save me towards the end. But if Nisani and Gmarsh were both mafia, his actions make perfect sense. Save Radfield and gain pro-town credit from the other sensible players, but redirect the lynch off of Nisani onto a semi-lurker. As a general aside, his policy lurker-lynching attitude is very anti-town. I posted in detail why lynching lurkers day 1 was bad, and he never responded. I think if he truly felt that lynching lurkers was the right play, he would have replied to my criticism and discussed it more. I changed votes to ensure that a vote switch to you wasn't possible. At the time Nisani had 5 votes. You had 4. At the time I felt you were probable SK (Nothing changed there) My belief that Nisani was scum rose a bit after his final post. I already told you how I saw him react to pressure in CCM. Nisani as scum has help. You as SK do not. If scum was hiding a vote on Nisani they could have easily switched it to you in the last second. If you're SK great. If you're not not so great. So I switched votes to keep that from happening. Don't like it fine. I'm hoping to get you lynched today.
Hmm, I think maybe you misunderstood my post.
1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options.
2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible.
These two points were to show evidence of you NOT being scum.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On July 15 2011 04:28 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 04:23 syllogism wrote:I don't think we really need to go on, but Almost. You'll see I mentioned early on that I would not sell them to anyone on my suspect list. No reason to give them to someone who is mafia. Jackal58 and GMarshal. These two are both really good players, and they're both giving me a really bad feeling that I can't quite place the origin of And he sold it to jackal Apparently I wasn't scummy yesterday but today I am.
On July 14 2011 09:09 chaos13 wrote:
Jackal is an interesting candidate. He hasn't given me a strong read either way, and he has a tendency to be somewhat absent and unopinionated on Day 1. I wouldn't want to lynch him today based only on the evidence you put forth. What I see in your analysis is enough cause to be watching him closely, but not near enough to be comfortable lynching him over Radfield.
And Chezinu, bandwagoning is bad. Don't do it.
What I see in your analysis is enough cause to be watching him closely
Did you sell him your mine before or after you came to this conclusion chaos?
I'll admit that I don't get the case against Chaos right now, but it seems that Syllo and Palmar are holding cards that I can't see. If there truly is a lie somewhere in between Chaos and Syllo, then that's great, but I really hope that you guys(Palmar and Syllo) have considered any other alternatives.
Palmar and Syllogism, are you guys 100% sure that Chaos13 is scum? Keep in mind that 100% sure is the equivalent to a dt check in a game with no GF/Framer/etc. If that's the case than I'll back it.
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The contract with Jackal went through before that. I sent the message to LSB at 1:49 on July 14th.
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Few things I want to touch on.
LSB: If anyone made a testament today, would he already have been charged the money, or does it get charged at daybreak?
If Chaos isn't lying about the testament, then that slightly reduces the suspicion on him.
I have the roles of everyone in the game except for heist. Although I'm inclined to disbelieve Chez being a bank. Some of the others may be lying but we can dissect that tomorrow.
I still think Chaos13 is our best lynch tomorrow, closely followed by ON or Radfield. Chezinu is completely unreadable, but he is exclusively trolling this game so he is probably a good vigi target, as we're never going to get a read on him. Barring that, a DT check would be good.
If everything goes according to plan I will reveal almost every role tomorrow, I think there's almost nothing important in the claims that I have gotten enough to warrant holding it back. Then we just continue on day 2 with mass claims.
I will also reveal the order I got the claims in, I'm inclined to believe the later I got the claims, the more likely they were fabricated by scum, although this isn't really a strong tell.
But most importantly, we can match claims to behavior and see who doesn't fit.
Some claims need to be outed tonight in PMs, I have sent everyone all the information they need to continue playing this game.
Good luck town.
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oh wait, GM hasn't roleclaimed either.
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There's a very easy way to prove if Chez is a bank. Join, and try making a contract in real time. If he's lying, it won't work. If he's truthful, it will work.
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He can easily lie about that part. It's chez
Are you available for an IRC conversation Chaos13? Contrary to what you might think, I really, really want to hear what you have to say.
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On July 15 2011 08:29 Palmar wrote:
LSB: If anyone made a testament today, would he already have been charged the money, or does it get charged at daybreak?
It gets charged at daybreak
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 15 2011 06:39 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 06:13 Jackal58 wrote:On July 15 2011 05:56 Radfield wrote:Nisani the Mafia Tekkie has had his throat ripped apart. I honestly did not think Nisani would flip scum.... I spent about a half hour chatting with him last night, trying to come to an agreement with him to move his vote onto Jackal(who I thought was scum). I explained to him that I would also vote Jackal, and along with Chez and GM(who I thought would have) we could get him lynched. I also explained that the only way he wouldn't die was if he followed this plan. However, Nisani was extremely reluctant to follow this plan, and refused to switch his vote. He insisted that one of me or Kurumi had to be scum. In fact, his alternate plan was that he would post a large analysis on Kurumi and try to get him lynched(this is with 2 hours left). I explained to him that trying to start in on Kurumi would only ensure his own death. It was a very confusing conversation, and seemed like Nisani really had no grasp on the situation at hand. Anyways, the conversation solidified for me the fact that Kurumi is very likely town(given that Nisani flipped red). It also implicates Jackal considering that Nisani refused to switch votes onto him. I don't understand why a mafia would be reluctant to switch onto a townie to save his own hide, especially when I would have likely taken the blame for the lynch-switch. This also makes this post: + Show Spoiler +On July 14 2011 10:57 Jackal58 wrote:
##UNVOTE: Radfield
##VOTE: Nisani
I don't want no scummy shenanigans. all the more scummy, considering Jackal jumped on the bandwagon(or the bus) at the last minute. Is this a complete indictment of Jackal? Nope. 1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options. 2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible. _________________ Anyways, I have yet to reread the thread, but Gmarsh is fairly scummy right now. Consider: He came into the thread to make a huge defense of me, but then DID NOT put his vote down on Nisani, leaving my fate up in the air. If he truly wanted to save me, he needed to vote for NIsani, and not try to start up a third option with Heist. That being said, the lynch never came down to the wire so it's unclear whether he would have switched over to save me towards the end. But if Nisani and Gmarsh were both mafia, his actions make perfect sense. Save Radfield and gain pro-town credit from the other sensible players, but redirect the lynch off of Nisani onto a semi-lurker. As a general aside, his policy lurker-lynching attitude is very anti-town. I posted in detail why lynching lurkers day 1 was bad, and he never responded. I think if he truly felt that lynching lurkers was the right play, he would have replied to my criticism and discussed it more. I changed votes to ensure that a vote switch to you wasn't possible. At the time Nisani had 5 votes. You had 4. At the time I felt you were probable SK (Nothing changed there) My belief that Nisani was scum rose a bit after his final post. I already told you how I saw him react to pressure in CCM. Nisani as scum has help. You as SK do not. If scum was hiding a vote on Nisani they could have easily switched it to you in the last second. If you're SK great. If you're not not so great. So I switched votes to keep that from happening. Don't like it fine. I'm hoping to get you lynched today. Hmm, I think maybe you misunderstood my post. Show nested quote +
1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options.
2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible.
These two points were to show evidence of you NOT being scum.
Ah sorry. I read the "him" in this: Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible. as a reference to myself. Your "him" apparently referred to Nisani. And yes that is an accurate assessment.
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Okay people, I changed my mind. We should lynch ON/Chezinu tomorrow.
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interesting, we should have time to discuss that tomorrow.
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@Chaos13 Just one thing. Why did you not use the mines yourself instead of trying to sell them? You had enough money for 3 mines and so why not just place the mines yourself and try to kill scum instead of giving scum the oportunity to influence where they get placed? Trying to sell them to whoever was not pro-town in the slightest.
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When is the day post btw?
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