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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 23 2011 03:43 GMT
#1701
On July 23 2011 10:34 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 10:21 ghrur wrote:


Yeah, but why didn't he confirm one of his teammates or randomly aim into the lurkers?

Btw, did you ever get the unregistered/registered thing to work out?


The point of the plan is for batman to shoot whomever they claim about. So they won't risk batman shooting a team mate by confirming him. And there is no reason to try and direct batman's hit into the lurkers. It just doesn't make sense really. Because for one thing they wouldn't have shot some random lurker anyway so it would be an obvious lie.

By switching between 3 computers and 2 different registered accounts I was able to make the unique viewers rise just by switching back and forth between them. I am not 100% sure how it works but that is what I was able to do.

Ok also people look at jackal.

A) he votes nisani instead of YM and B) he was one of the confirmed greens from nas because he told him about the leaks in unique views. There is a very decent chance that if 1 mafia spotted it he would tell the other mafia so they could both claim it to nas to build trust.



Look as hard as you want.

From: notasmurf [ 15 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Invitation to a PM circle
Date: 7/19/11 08:49
It's perfectly legal, and in fact it's been done in other games with success. And I know that BC himself has done it before. I just didn't think of checking it.

I've been talking to Kavdragon we've been investigating this problem. Kavdragon himself has started two circles

Circle 1 (6 Unique Views): Mig, Wiggles, and Varythespider
Circle 2 (7 Unique Views): Palmar, Nazgul, Bum

It doesn't say much, but what I'm suspecting is that the hook is the PM conversation I had with BC that I posted. That maybe got linked in a mafia quicktopic or something.

Right now I say we keep quiet. Kavdragon is going to keep watch over the unique views of his quicktopic and see if anything suspicious is going on. I'll try to do analysis of Wiggles/Mig via in thread information.

I'm going to post in thread that I'm making a clue hunting circle. The hope is I'll have a small enough circle (3 players) so that unique counts can easily be kept track of. Honeypot so to speak.

Original Message From Jackal58:
At the bottom of the page it lists views and unique views. Each unique view is from a different isp. We have had 10 views. I account for 2 of them. 1 from home and one from work. If everybody has viewed the QT from 2 locations that would be 8 unique views. We have 10. Somebody is visiting us. You can check the ISPs of everybody that has posted in the QT. I believe I only posted there from work. But I did view it this morning from home before I left for work. I don't know if it's legal or not (Game wise) but QT could be used as a tool to see who is giving out the link.

Hide nested quote -
Original Message From notasmurf:
How do you know that? Or do you just suspect it?

I'm expecting there to be a scum in the quicktopic. There are two points of the quicktopic. 1) If the scum is in the quicktopic they are less likely to kill people in it since they think they can influence the decisions. 2) Once we start analyzing people, scum will try to distract/defend their teammates. This should make it easier to confirm our findings if the scum has poor defense or we flip the scum later

Original Message From Jackal58:
There is scum in that QT.

Original Message From notasmurf:
Hello, I'd like to invite you into a PM circle. http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/Jv8kUD8puHvxC


To: notasmurf [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Update
Date: 7/20/11 12:04
Wiggles play to this point does not scream scum to me. His outing of VisceraEyes is not in scums interest I wouldn't think. Unless scum team knows who the traitors are and VE really is a stupid townie. I had wondered earlier if scum knew at the games beginning who the traitors were in the same manner as they know who moles are. I know all WIFOM.
Mig was actively searching for the Joker at the games start. Again I don't know if this is in scums interest or not. He also suspected Wiggles of being the Joker. Again more WIFOM. Of those 2 I would have to lean towards Mig based solely upon their posting. And that's weak because I'm just going off of memory atm. Nothing Mig has posted so far is memorable.

In your group of 4 Bum and Kav have few posts period. I don't believe Kav even voted. Palmar is becoming the aggressive townie I played with in merc mini. Naz is coming under some scrutiny for his last minute vote switch. I don't know him so I have no idea how he plays. Or if he has even played before.

My thoughts on who is on your lists. Sorry I'm just thinking out loud. Fwiw I thought red was going to flip green. Day 1 is not my forte'.

I'm not sure why you included YM in your previous post. Could you please explain that. Do you think he's town? I've had a tickle in the back of my head from one of his posts. I'll try to find it. But it wont be until tomorrow I'm about to head off to bed.

While we are talking what are your thoughts on Coag and RoL? I usually know what Coag's alignment is early. Coag claims he's tired of getting lynched or shot on day/night 1 I don't know that I buy it atm. And RoL is just plain not playing like the townie RoL I've seen before..

Original Message From notasmurf:
I've gotten an update on the bait.

Kavdragon's circle of Mig, Wiggles, and Varythespider has 9 Unique views and 5 non-registered.

From this I'm an pretty confident that one of the two (Wiggles, Mig) and one of the four (Nazgul, Palmar, Bum and Kavdragon) are mafia.


I have nothing worth hiding.








Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 23 2011 03:45 GMT
#1702
I'm glad I went out and got drunk with friends tonight. The past 5 hours are a clusterfuck.
Life can only kill you once.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 23 2011 03:51 GMT
#1703
Jackal it is possible that you independently realized the unique viewer thing. But it is more likely than you/ym are both scum because only one of you would have to realize it and then tell the other. Along with that you voted nisani today without even mentioning YM. However you were a later vote on redff. So I definitely wouldn't say you are confirmed scum or anything, but you should be on the short list of suspects for tomorrow.
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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
July 23 2011 04:10 GMT
#1704
On July 23 2011 12:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
just a general message: mods have a "filter" button on every poster which allows them to view every post made by that user in the thread. gonna get that introduced for regular users on mafia forum only. I felt bad for you guys.

You are my hero. Seriously.
Uff Da
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 23 2011 04:10 GMT
#1705
On July 23 2011 12:51 Mig wrote:
Jackal it is possible that you independently realized the unique viewer thing. But it is more likely than you/ym are both scum because only one of you would have to realize it and then tell the other. Along with that you voted nisani today without even mentioning YM. However you were a later vote on redff. So I definitely wouldn't say you are confirmed scum or anything, but you should be on the short list of suspects for tomorrow.

I never got an answer from nas regarding why YM was included in his PM to me. I know YM was not in the QT that nas started that he included me in. I know nas included YM in his "clues" QT. I have no idea if YM ever sent a PM to nas regarding extra views or not. It is entirely possible nas was trying to find a connection between us by including our names in PMs he sent to each of us. I have more where he mentioned you. I suspect you have PMs from him where he mentioned me. He was scum hunting in PM land. If nas is Ver as I suspect then I know why he included me in his first PM. We raped scum in a PM game before. And I have no problems with the way he played this game. It was day 1. He didn't know anymore than the rest of us. He was working to get a base he could trust. So was I. Don't read to much into what he was telling people. I already did and put you ahead of YM on the scummy scale. Sorry but I trust people that I know are really fucking good at this game. That trust goes up exponentially when they flip town. If you can't handle that kiss my derriere.
Life can only kill you once.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 23 2011 04:31 GMT
#1706
omg filter button is implemented already. So happy.
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Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 23 2011 04:36 GMT
#1707
On July 23 2011 13:10 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 12:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
just a general message: mods have a "filter" button on every poster which allows them to view every post made by that user in the thread. gonna get that introduced for regular users on mafia forum only. I felt bad for you guys.

You are my hero. Seriously.

That's like blizzard introducing auto-mine for SC2.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 23 2011 04:40 GMT
#1708
Filter button is better than sex.
(I'm married. Leave me alone. )
Life can only kill you once.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 23 2011 04:49 GMT
#1709
Hey so what do people think about all of the vigs/medics/dts/hatters claiming to palmar? It is a risk if he is somehow scum but seriously the odds of it are so incredibly low it is almost a non factor. And look at the benefits. Palmar can organize the vigs/medics so we don't have the massive problem we had yesterday where none of the correct vig targets were shot and curu/syllo were not protected. Along with that. The dts can give palmar their results. So palmar can announce them in the thread to either give us some confirmed townies or scum targets.
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Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
July 23 2011 04:52 GMT
#1710
On July 23 2011 13:36 Pyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 13:10 Qatol wrote:
On July 23 2011 12:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
just a general message: mods have a "filter" button on every poster which allows them to view every post made by that user in the thread. gonna get that introduced for regular users on mafia forum only. I felt bad for you guys.

You are my hero. Seriously.

That's like blizzard introducing auto-mine for SC2.

Oh thank the lord.
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
July 23 2011 04:53 GMT
#1711
On July 23 2011 13:49 Mig wrote:
Hey so what do people think about all of the vigs/medics/dts/hatters claiming to palmar? It is a risk if he is somehow scum but seriously the odds of it are so incredibly low it is almost a non factor. And look at the benefits. Palmar can organize the vigs/medics so we don't have the massive problem we had yesterday where none of the correct vig targets were shot and curu/syllo were not protected. Along with that. The dts can give palmar their results. So palmar can announce them in the thread to either give us some confirmed townies or scum targets.


Bad idea. Sorry, but even if it works, it's always a bad plan. No matter how comfirmed someone is, they arn't 100% till they are dead. I think palmar is town, but not enough to trust him with all that info.
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 23 2011 04:55 GMT
#1712
Not to mention the fact that Palmar can't keep his mouth shut when he's talking to people he thinks are town.
Life can only kill you once.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
July 23 2011 04:57 GMT
#1713
On July 23 2011 12:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
just a general message: mods have a "filter" button on every poster which allows them to view every post made by that user in the thread. gonna get that introduced for regular users on mafia forum only. I felt bad for you guys.


OH MY GOD I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU SO GOD DAMN MUCH

Relax bum, breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 23 2011 04:58 GMT
#1714
But seriously look at how the game has played out.

A) palmar in one of the last people to vote on red and assure he dies

B) There are 8 people on nisani 0 on ym. Palmar goes nuts in IRC and fucking hounds every person who enters to switch to YM. He single handedly got YM killed. And this is with mafia KP on the line. This was an incredibly important lynch for them

C) Mafia then comes out and creates a fake case for why batman should shoot him. If mafia had actually worked out this insane plan to build palmar town cred would they risk making this case against him and having batman shoot him? Making it all a waste?

I mean what are the possible odds that this was all some massive mafia scheme just to buy insane town cred for palmar.

And if we do this it has to be almost gg. None of the dts are dead we will have so many confirmed townies it will be impossible for mafia to go through them all.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 23 2011 05:01 GMT
#1715
What if Palmar is the Joker?
Life can only kill you once.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 23 2011 05:03 GMT
#1716
It is possible he is third party but the main thing he will be doing is announcing to the thread the dt results so they don't have to claim and making sure vig shots/medics don't overlap. Palmar isn't going to come out and just say who everyone is we would insta lynch him. I mean even if he didn't want to help he has no choice. We don't give him any power to make decisions he just organizes them for the town.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 23 2011 05:05 GMT
#1717
I mean just look at how the game has gone and ask yourself what the realistic odds of palmar being mafia are. The amount that we gain from this outweighs the incredibly small risk by so much.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 23 2011 05:13 GMT
#1718
On July 23 2011 11:46 Kenpachi wrote:
ugh. i feel bad that im not paying any attention. If there is a replacement, i would gladly give my place. FOR TOWN.

I change my mind. this filter button is going to revolutionize mafia
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
July 23 2011 05:22 GMT
#1719
On July 23 2011 13:36 Pyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 13:10 Qatol wrote:
On July 23 2011 12:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
just a general message: mods have a "filter" button on every poster which allows them to view every post made by that user in the thread. gonna get that introduced for regular users on mafia forum only. I felt bad for you guys.

You are my hero. Seriously.

That's like blizzard introducing auto-mine for SC2.

lmao goddamnit Nazgul catering to the casuals -_-
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
July 23 2011 07:21 GMT
#1720
On July 23 2011 11:46 Kenpachi wrote:
ugh. i feel bad that im not paying any attention. If there is a replacement, i would gladly give my place. FOR TOWN.


Do you always fail to contribute this badly? Seriously just looking at all your posts in this thread there's like one larger than one line. In addition to that you are always here when the important posts come so it looks to me like selective lurking. If your strategy is to avoid having any evidence against/for your identity, then it won't work on vigis. Start contributing for your own sake because you look suspicious from the point of view of every single party (mafia, town, 3rd party).
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