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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 08 2011 17:37 sandroba wrote: LOL fuck, somehow I missed that. Forget about my whole analysis then, that claim is too good to be fake. So was mine but we all saw how that turned out. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 08 2011 17:45 syllogism wrote: We might have to make you name claim tomorrow Drazerk because of your utterly anti-town lies Fine with me although you should not trust a simple name claim. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On July 08 2011 18:17 Drazerk wrote: Fine with me although you should not trust a simple name claim. That's not the point, the point is if we can trust townies not to lie, it's possible to trust some claims and find other suspicious | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
i don't know who i'm meant to be who the fuck is borenard montgomery also i might as well reveal this: my anti nukes were actually stealth missiles which could have been used at undetected vigi night hits which was why i really wanted to save the second one.. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
So your anti-nukes were even more powerful than everybody thought and yet you wasted them both, first one to save sandroba who you have no idea if he's town or not (unless you're mafia) and then you launch a nuke of your own, something which will no doubt attract so much attention to you that you might very well have to fire your second anti-nuke. You are so scum. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
The guy does something only someone with more knowledge than everybody else would do. Explain that without youngminii being scum. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
I had my own reasons to suspect YM too, but since he claimed the name of his leader and it makes sense I find it extremelly unlikely he's scum right now. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
GMarshal's ever-changing explanations is extremely fishy, I want that to stay on everyone's mind. The redirection of a nuke towards Palmar by itself is more of a town move than a scum move. If the scum was going to redirect a nuke they might as well take out someone else with the choice of new target. The choice of Palmar being the new target likely shows that whoever was doing the redirecting had no good ideas on who else to hit, and thus retargeted the nuke on someone who was already going to die anyways (and claimed conspirator). That is, the redirection is likely the action of a town member looking to save youngminii but had no good vig targets, and wisely didn't just randomly hit another player hoping that this other target was scum. I still want those who stop nukes to claim, but if this redirector still has more of this ability remaining, I can understand why this person might want to stay secret for now - it does make this person a big target. Finally, all these claims flying around in the thread. I don't think it makes sense for any of town, scum, or third party to claim at all at this point in the game. I also despite town members who lie, though - almost all of the time they just confuse the rest of the town. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
While I don't think NAME/FACTION/FULL ROLE claims make sense. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Here's what confuses me so much: On YM I have a lurker -or- doesn't-care-just-wants-to-nuke read on him post-wise. Action-wise I'm leaning towards scum. He antis two missiles headed at sandroba without even knowing he is Town. Since there will obviously be many less antimissiles than actual missiles, they are not something you can just throw away like that especially two to save one person who isn't confirmed Town. He fires a nuke with no reason. On sandroba I have a definite scum read on his posts because of scumslip and how obsessed he is with pushing himself as obvtown. He also paints another as obvtown who turns out to be Cult (although more Town aligned Cult it appears). And says YM is obvtown. Either he really wants to put all his faith into name claims or he is clearing people way too easily. It should not be that easy to confirm Town unless you have information that no one else has. Also he's apparently a zombie but we don't know what that means yet. Action-wise, scum scum scum. Whole spiel about not nuking and having Town policy and then nukes GMarshal when it seems he can fly under the radar doing it (after several other people have already drawn huge attention launching nukes). Normally I'd peg these two as connected and, considering sandroba's clearing of sinani too, possibly all Cult members. sandroba puts a bit of meaningless pressure on YM then instantly backs off when a semi-valid reason appears to go back to claiming him Town. Looked like classic "I'm going to try to make it look like we're not connected but not actually put on any pressure." HOWEVER, the thing that makes no sense to me is that sandroba claimed nuke immunity and yet YM shot down two nukes headed at him. If they were really in contact with each other then there's no reason for YM to do that and draw attention to himself. So either they are not in contact, or they are restricted from telling each other about their abilities, or sandroba is not actually nuke immune. I can't see any other reason for YM to waste two antis like that when they would've done absolutely nothing except prevent radiation. It's tempting to just say that they're both playing extremely recklessly and headstrong and not scum because they radiate so many scum actions that it's absurd. But that line of thought only works if you assume Town is extremely herp derp dumb and Mafia is smart. If everyone can act so callously without consequences, it creates an environment where Mafia don't have to hide and can do whatever the hell they want; when everyone's giving off scum actions, then they lose any meaning for alignment analysis. Bad environment for Town since it just becomes a random lynch luck game except Mafia can influence votes away from themselves. | ||
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Zona
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On July 08 2011 23:48 syllogism wrote: Look at the time line of sinani206 claiming Leon Trot-Ze and Sandroba claiming UMADIMIR LENEN. Pretty impressive improvisation if he managed to decide it was a good spot to fake claim and come up with a reasonable fake claim in less than 2 minutes. Plus him being Zombie Lenin makes sense. So much time wasted on people who are quite likely to be town at this point Why are we believing name claims its completely unprovable this is a CALLER game, for all we know Umadir Lenen is town until the conspirator is killed, then he discovers his love of donuts and becomes an Alien Menace/serial killer. Names mean nothing, roles mean nothing, actions are everything, and sandrobas actions don't point at him being town aligned. | ||
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