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On July 06 2011 15:47 Cthsazsa wrote:
Anyone find it weird how easy a bandwagon is forming on Sandroba?
Palmar hasn't been acting protown, but I don't understand why the hell everyone was freaking out when Palmar launched that dud-nuke. He stated as soon as the game began that he has no nukes.
I haven't found his behavior to be scummy, but he's certainly not acting protown. Like someone before me stated, I wouldn't be surprised if he was the Conspirator.
I also think he is a good lynch, but I'm not going to place my vote just yet. I need to go back and read up on the other candidates.
Overall I'm pretty damn glad that no nukes have been launched yet. Hopefully shit doesn't hit the fan until at least Day 2
Oh the irony.
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LOL@MATAZA
dude has balls.
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WHAT HAVE YOU DONE. LOL. shit is gonna hit the fan. let's see if those anti-nukes fly.
Also, I think if the Conspirator dies AND we reach WRL cap then everyone loses. Killing the Conspirator will not necessarily remove the lose condition for WRL.
Also, if you are who you think you are....calling them twats isn't very nice.
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So, I guess it's time to create a post to shoot down Sandroba's accusations.
First off I can't recall saying your plan is terrible. That notion was reserved for GMarshal's plan which involved a fuckton of nuking. I said your plan was less bad.
You seem to be basing your analysis on meta against me, so you should know I am always against controlling blues as town, and always in favor of vigilantes shooting early and often. I believe that is the best way for town to win the game. I argued against people who had ideas on how to control DT checks and Vigilante shots in RTM, and the entire fiasco that happened in the pre-game is basically me defending the notion that people need to be able to think on your own.
Also, I don't know why you keep doing this, you keep flat out lying to make your arguments look more convincing? The bad thing is that since I took a controversial stance people are probably going to glance over it and nod, instead of noting it.
You say I don't want leadership? That's absolutely incorrect, I never said it. I firmly believe that strong leadership in town is always the way to go. You correctly identified parts of my play in RTM which involved taking lead in town, well my entire argument is based on the fact that I was wrong some of the time. That's where independent thinking helped us in that game.
If you want to deprive us of individual thinking, then you better be sure that the town council is right all the time. To put it in RTM terms, since that seems to keep popping up, I'm afraid the kills on DropBear and VE would not have gone through if they had to deal with a voting process first. Now, Syllogism did point out a good point, and it's really his posting that made me change my mind on my own plan.
Another staple of my argument was belief in the player-base. I still stand by the notion that this pool of players involve less trolls than the other WaW game. Difference between us is I'm approaching this from the innocent until proven guilty point, while you just assume that everyone is incompetent until proven otherwise.
To summarize, your case against me is that I don't agree with your plan. Well know what? I still don't. But slowly I came to realize that my alternative was broken too. If someone comes up with a way that involves both independent thinking and the opportunity to defend, then I'm all ears.
Thanks for telling us the mafia has one KP Sandroba, that'll come in handy.
You want to nuke every day. And of course you're fine with leading bad lynches. Talk about a difference in meta-game, you sat back, pointed fingers, analysed and attacked in RTM, you're definitely playing the same type of Sandroba role this time around. In fact, depending on your flip in CC, I'd say you're far removed from your town meta.
I'm not taking leadership the way I did in RTM, I simply don't have the time to commit to it like that anymore, I think quite a few people here know I started a new job on Monday.
I'll never go down quietly as town though, because we could be lynching scum. That's a promise for this game and every game I play in.
By the way, don't know if it's your plan, or the fact that I was simply correct, but look... no random nuking on day one! Maybe... maybe.... people can be sort-of trusted?
That's my case for defense. Not agreeing with you is not a scumtell. I'd probably rather be looking at the people who sheeped behind your plan without a second look.
I'll post the reasoning and explanation for my lynch vote later today.
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##Vote: Mataza
Mataza what you are doing is terrible, you make GMarshal look sane. As far as im concerned Conspirators have NO priority by now. Lets please focus on scum now we got some discussion going.
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Mataza's nuke won't land btw, the nuke phase is over, or that's how I interpreted the rules.
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i hate it when people do that -.-
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(But so much for a faith in the playerbase)
I don't know if that was a joke, but I'm keeping my vote on Mataza, if he actually is trying to launch a proper nuke, then he should get lynched ASAP.
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On July 06 2011 16:18 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 15:47 Cthsazsa wrote:
Anyone find it weird how easy a bandwagon is forming on Sandroba?
Palmar hasn't been acting protown, but I don't understand why the hell everyone was freaking out when Palmar launched that dud-nuke. He stated as soon as the game began that he has no nukes.
I haven't found his behavior to be scummy, but he's certainly not acting protown. Like someone before me stated, I wouldn't be surprised if he was the Conspirator.
I also think he is a good lynch, but I'm not going to place my vote just yet. I need to go back and read up on the other candidates.
Overall I'm pretty damn glad that no nukes have been launched yet. Hopefully shit doesn't hit the fan until at least Day 2 Oh the irony.
Right, that's most definitely him trying nuke, although I think that it won't land, based on the rules.
Kurumi can wait until tomorrow, Mataza will nuke immediately as he has the chance.
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Are you sure the nuke isn't going to land palmar?
Can any hosts clarify for us?
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On July 06 2011 16:49 Mig wrote:
Are you sure the nuke isn't going to land palmar?
Can any hosts clarify for us?
I'm not, that's why I said "I think".
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Hey Navillus, Your favourite European so far woke up and can devote some free time to talk with You!
First of all, let's make routes Operations will take.
Operation Dunkirk is obvious defence for Allies.
Operation Gunnerside is obvious offense for Allies.
Operation Watchtower is DOMINATION OVER THE SKY!
It's a Caller's game: if someone wants to go nuts, he will come here and blow our asses. Suddenly, all of Your planning goes through the window. Just look at Mataza, he is a GENTLEMAN compared what MAY or not happen tomorrow. With Operation Watchtower I am DEAD sure noone will cause chaos, because nukes will be off! Oh damn, so good Kurumi, continue! Operation Watchtower is guaranteed Day 2 without nukes. Simple as that. Operation Dunkirk is +1 life for Boretish people from Day 2. If You thought it'd reduce amount of kills by Mafia Night 1 - nope, Operation will not be finished in time.
Operation Gunnerside has one big flaw: It takes two cycles to finish it. This means, Day 1 we know what we're going to do, Night 1 too, Day 2 too, Night 2 too and on the Day 3 we will be informed of results. Sounds like crapload of time captain? AYE. Also think about that: tomorrow our chances of catching scum rise A LOT. What happens when he is dead sure he is going to get lynched? NUKEEEEEEEEEES EVERYWHEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. With Operation Watchtower, NOONE is going to confuse or control town with nukes.
There's no way we can enforce something like "don't use nukes" or "don't nuke until people say so" people don't give a shit. They want to make it fun fun fun fun looking forward to the weekend.
About lynch candidates, You gotta be kidding me.
Palmar? Based on meta? He isn't a stupid guy, so he can't be stupid scum what You're assuming.
Sinani206 is classic "I defended myself but mob is still mad, Dr.Who what we should do?" Leave him alone. Town mislynched amazingxkcd (DT) in XL who defended himself and oozed green, while we had another candidate iGrok(GF), who literally left the Mordor after beating Sauron on blinking fight saying "Fuck You, I don't care".
Sandroba is ALWAYS making bad plans as people say. He ALWAYS escapes from suspicion. You know why?
Because bad plans don't mean scum plans.
If I were to vote just now, I'd vote Gentleman Mataza, for being too harsh this time around.
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On July 06 2011 13:59 Coagulation wrote:
Wasnt like the point of all those plans to take care of shit like this. what happen to nuke = lynched ? Why is everyone not lynching Palmer now or shooting him with a fucking nuke at least.
Seems like at worst he's just trying to prove that he doesn't have any nukes. At best it was a joke and he didn't realize how the nuke mechanic worked exactly.
On July 06 2011 11:50 sandroba wrote:
I like that no one comented ON MY HUGE FUCKING CASE on palmar that proves he is scum, then vote for me for something I already explained. First of all you are calling that scum slip (it's a mistake btw, based on previous games knowledge) before we even know how many fucking kp mafia actually has. Good job.
Also anyone that agreed to my plan should be voting to lynch palmar regardless since he broke the no nukes rule, shorttened the day and possibly took away an extra life from another player for no reason. He didn't even follow his own plan. God knows if he has nukes or not.
Use your head and vote for palmar. He is 100% scum.
I really disagree with your reasoning and don't like how fiercely you're pushing this. He clearly didn't break the no nukes rules since he didn't actually fire a nuke. His plan is different than yours, yeah, but it certainly has its merits. I'm not sold your plan will work like you lay it out myself, but nearly all of town onboard it should definitely be given a shot. Saying palmar is '100% scum' because he changed his mind and you disagree with his plan isn't helpful.
Anyway, we have a lynch target for today that should be clear:
##Vote: Mataza
I like your style, but it's one we can't allow in this game!
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@Kurumi Except that my plans are great (most of the time) and town fails to realize it (most of the time). My case on palmar is not based on meta. If you read it you will notice. It's based on behaviour.
@Palmar I quoted the post where you called the plan bad. Nukes are not vigillante shots, for many reasons that I've stated before, yet you failed to acknowledge. I'm not preventing any blue roles from acting. Yes I want us to use controlled nuking to our advantage. 1 per day is not going to win the game for the conspirator. Period. You say no random nuking day 1 but you fucking broke your own rule and shorttened the day by 24hrs.
@Mataza I hope your nuke doesn't go off.
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On July 06 2011 17:11 sandroba wrote:
@Palmar I quoted the post where you called the plan bad. Nukes are not vigillante shots, for many reasons that I've stated before, yet you failed to acknowledge. I'm not preventing any blue roles from acting. Yes I want us to use controlled nuking to our advantage. 1 per day is not going to win the game for the conspirator. Period. You say no random nuking day 1 but you fucking broke your own rule and shorttened the day by 24hrs.
yah, I said "less bad", not "terrible"
And I still believe so, I think the plan has flaws, but at the moment it's all we got.
I did throw out a missile, I didn't know it could do damage.
Also, one nuke per day isn't going to win the conspirator the game, but one, plus however many retaliation nukes there are, plus random idiot nukes...
I'm starting to doubt your motives sandroba.
I said that we should not nuke day one, but you're fine with it, even when you know there is a timer ticking.
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First of all, Caller Your a Genius and everyone needs to be more like you when they host mafia games.
Mataza I have no idea what you was thinking of when you fired the nuke as we clearly had a good town atmosphere regarding them, By firing the nukes Either two things will happen.
You possibly hit scum - But you are lynched regardless because you fired off a nuke
You hit a townie - you are lynched because you fired of a nuke AND because you hit a townie
You had to of known this firing of the nuke right? GMRoba's plan was adopted by most of the town, Even palmar eventually agreed.
Your plan allows Conspirators to win which is your whole plan at then end of the day as that is your role by firing off your nuke your hoping others follow suit and we get a chain reaction killing everyone when the radiation gets high enough.
##vote: Mataza
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Mataza needs to die
palmar after
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On July 06 2011 17:11 sandroba wrote:
@Kurumi Except that my plans are great (most of the time) and town fails to realize it (most of the time). My case on palmar is not based on meta. If you read it you will notice. It's based on behaviour.
@Palmar I quoted the post where you called the plan bad. Nukes are not vigillante shots, for many reasons that I've stated before, yet you failed to acknowledge. I'm not preventing any blue roles from acting. Yes I want us to use controlled nuking to our advantage. 1 per day is not going to win the game for the conspirator. Period. You say no random nuking day 1 but you fucking broke your own rule and shorttened the day by 24hrs.
@Mataza I hope your nuke doesn't go off.
Well Your analysis is at least 1/3 meta (how good he was in that game, how he behaved in the other one) I dislike using meta and stuff like that because it makes no sense (wifom, X as mafia did Y and avoided Z in Game 1, now in Game 2 he is doing Z and avoid Y, does that mean he is town?)
I agree he is acting differently and his wishy-washiness should be just noted, but sorry I don't get it for now. Mataza is far more scummier than Palmar (just look at his nuke fiasco, as mafia THEY wouldn't let something like that happen, shit, they wouldn't even send one because it attracts attention)
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EDWOP:
They wouldn't let something like that happen so fast
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