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On July 06 2011 11:00 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 10:55 sinani206 wrote:On July 06 2011 10:51 Curu wrote:On July 06 2011 10:47 chaos13 wrote:On July 06 2011 10:46 Curu wrote:
Sandroba has a scumslip but at least he didn't vote for Operation Gunnerside (if he had after initial conversations with him, I would have bandwagoned the fuck out of him).
That said IMO lurkers hurt Town more than anything else. With a full active playerbase Mafia has to be active meaning more chances for scumslips and important information leaking out. If they can just hide in the lurkers, we have nothing to go on.
I'd like to lure out Cthsazsa, Zona , ~OpZ~ or gtrsrs as they haven't posted -anything- at all. Looks like there's one other for Zona so let's get that started.
##Vote: Zona ..you agree that he made a scum slip...and you vote for someone else. What the fuck? Willing to give the benefit of the doubt for now. If you notice, I'm the one that called him out on the scumslip first so believe me I'm putting weight into it. sandroba's been more active than most though and his posts actually have content in them. My vote on him hinged on what operation he voted for and the one he did choose didn't set off my alarms. Nothing is more dangerous than scum being able to hide amongst Townie lurkers so that's my modus operandi until all the lurkers start doing something useful. This post is scummy as fuck. It sounds like you and sandroba are both scum, and you screwed up by sharing his scumslip and now you want to come back and defend your ally. Why should your vote hinge (to use your word) on which operation he voted for? Your vote should be for the scummiest player. The whole lurker excuse is complete bullshit. ##Vote: sandroba
I propose a nuke of Curu lol? Why would I even point out his scumslip if I didn't want to draw attention to it? How cute, you ignore all the accusations on you in this thread and instead try to divert attention on me with something completely stupid and baseless. Seems like you're in a hurried panic, hmm? My vote hinged on what operation he voted for because he had a whole argument formed based on Mafia's nukes being useless. If sandroba had gone against that whole line of argument he was making (and he was quite involved with it) then he would have appeared scummy as fuck. But he didn't. Instead you now appear scummy as fuck. Saying a lurker excuse is bullshit without providing any reasoning? Proposing to nuke me because I didn't lynch based on a scumslip that I FIRST POINTED OUT? If I had wanted that scumslip unavoided I wouldn't have posted anything about it. I still want to draw the lurkers out but I'd suggest everyone keeping a firm eye on you.
I acknowledge pressure votes of me in this thread, and that's why I'm accusing you. Note that the votes for me are pressure votes, not votes to kill me.
What I'm saying is you are covering your mistake of pointing it out by not voting him now. I'm saying you made a mistake by pointing it out in the first place and want to correct it.
There are other ways people can be scummy besides contradicting themselves. Just because sandroba didn't contradict himself doesn't mean he's clear at all.
The lurker excuse was bullshit because you are using it to draw attention away from sandroba by choosing to lurker-hunt instead. You announce the scumslip on sandroba and then don't pressure him and make the excuse of wanting to find scum among lurkers. You could have just voted for sandroba, but you want to defend him because you are both scum.
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On July 06 2011 10:55 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 10:51 Curu wrote:On July 06 2011 10:47 chaos13 wrote:On July 06 2011 10:46 Curu wrote:
Sandroba has a scumslip but at least he didn't vote for Operation Gunnerside (if he had after initial conversations with him, I would have bandwagoned the fuck out of him).
That said IMO lurkers hurt Town more than anything else. With a full active playerbase Mafia has to be active meaning more chances for scumslips and important information leaking out. If they can just hide in the lurkers, we have nothing to go on.
I'd like to lure out Cthsazsa, Zona , ~OpZ~ or gtrsrs as they haven't posted -anything- at all. Looks like there's one other for Zona so let's get that started.
##Vote: Zona ..you agree that he made a scum slip...and you vote for someone else. What the fuck? Willing to give the benefit of the doubt for now. If you notice, I'm the one that called him out on the scumslip first so believe me I'm putting weight into it. sandroba's been more active than most though and his posts actually have content in them. My vote on him hinged on what operation he voted for and the one he did choose didn't set off my alarms. Nothing is more dangerous than scum being able to hide amongst Townie lurkers so that's my modus operandi until all the lurkers start doing something useful. This post is scummy as fuck. It sounds like you and sandroba are both scum, and you screwed up by sharing his scumslip and now you want to come back and defend your ally. Why should your vote hinge (to use your word) on which operation he voted for? Your vote should be for the scummiest player. The whole lurker excuse is complete bullshit. ##Vote: sandroba
I propose a nuke of Curu
Ok so my pressure vote is now a half pressure/half legitimate accusation, because it's really scummy to hop back into a thread where you're being accused and just throw out one mediocre and one really weak accusation, it's still possible that sinani is just scared town, but he needs to post more to judge.
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On July 06 2011 11:08 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 11:00 Curu wrote:On July 06 2011 10:55 sinani206 wrote:On July 06 2011 10:51 Curu wrote:On July 06 2011 10:47 chaos13 wrote:On July 06 2011 10:46 Curu wrote:
Sandroba has a scumslip but at least he didn't vote for Operation Gunnerside (if he had after initial conversations with him, I would have bandwagoned the fuck out of him).
That said IMO lurkers hurt Town more than anything else. With a full active playerbase Mafia has to be active meaning more chances for scumslips and important information leaking out. If they can just hide in the lurkers, we have nothing to go on.
I'd like to lure out Cthsazsa, Zona , ~OpZ~ or gtrsrs as they haven't posted -anything- at all. Looks like there's one other for Zona so let's get that started.
##Vote: Zona ..you agree that he made a scum slip...and you vote for someone else. What the fuck? Willing to give the benefit of the doubt for now. If you notice, I'm the one that called him out on the scumslip first so believe me I'm putting weight into it. sandroba's been more active than most though and his posts actually have content in them. My vote on him hinged on what operation he voted for and the one he did choose didn't set off my alarms. Nothing is more dangerous than scum being able to hide amongst Townie lurkers so that's my modus operandi until all the lurkers start doing something useful. This post is scummy as fuck. It sounds like you and sandroba are both scum, and you screwed up by sharing his scumslip and now you want to come back and defend your ally. Why should your vote hinge (to use your word) on which operation he voted for? Your vote should be for the scummiest player. The whole lurker excuse is complete bullshit. ##Vote: sandroba
I propose a nuke of Curu lol? Why would I even point out his scumslip if I didn't want to draw attention to it? How cute, you ignore all the accusations on you in this thread and instead try to divert attention on me with something completely stupid and baseless. Seems like you're in a hurried panic, hmm? My vote hinged on what operation he voted for because he had a whole argument formed based on Mafia's nukes being useless. If sandroba had gone against that whole line of argument he was making (and he was quite involved with it) then he would have appeared scummy as fuck. But he didn't. Instead you now appear scummy as fuck. Saying a lurker excuse is bullshit without providing any reasoning? Proposing to nuke me because I didn't lynch based on a scumslip that I FIRST POINTED OUT? If I had wanted that scumslip unavoided I wouldn't have posted anything about it. I still want to draw the lurkers out but I'd suggest everyone keeping a firm eye on you. I acknowledge pressure votes of me in this thread, and that's why I'm accusing you. Note that the votes for me are pressure votes, not votes to kill me. What I'm saying is you are covering your mistake of pointing it out by not voting him now. I'm saying you made a mistake by pointing it out in the first place and want to correct it. There are other ways people can be scummy besides contradicting themselves. Just because sandroba didn't contradict himself doesn't mean he's clear at all. The lurker excuse was bullshit because you are using it to draw attention away from sandroba by choosing to lurker-hunt instead. You announce the scumslip on sandroba and then don't pressure him and make the excuse of wanting to find scum among lurkers. You could have just voted for sandroba, but you want to defend him because you are both scum.
Ok explain one thing to me. Why did I point it out in the first place if we are both scum then? The whole bandwagon against sandroba is starting because of that scumslip. I POINTED OUT THAT SCUMSLIP. I'm not trying to back up and I'm not trying to cover my tracks. I drew attention to that scumslip because I wanted everyone to be aware of it. I just don't think it's as much grounds for serious pressuring yet based purely off of that.
You STILL haven't posted anything explaining your scummy posting that's getting you pressured and instead try to draw attention to me. That's just creating more confusion for Town. You're looking scummier by the second.
I'm not trying to draw attention away from sandroba. I'm going in with guns blazing. Every single one of my posts at him has mentioned his scumslip. I just don't think he's shown to be more dangerous (yet) than many other people. You very much included.
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On July 06 2011 11:14 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 11:08 sinani206 wrote:On July 06 2011 11:00 Curu wrote:On July 06 2011 10:55 sinani206 wrote:On July 06 2011 10:51 Curu wrote:On July 06 2011 10:47 chaos13 wrote:On July 06 2011 10:46 Curu wrote:
Sandroba has a scumslip but at least he didn't vote for Operation Gunnerside (if he had after initial conversations with him, I would have bandwagoned the fuck out of him).
That said IMO lurkers hurt Town more than anything else. With a full active playerbase Mafia has to be active meaning more chances for scumslips and important information leaking out. If they can just hide in the lurkers, we have nothing to go on.
I'd like to lure out Cthsazsa, Zona , ~OpZ~ or gtrsrs as they haven't posted -anything- at all. Looks like there's one other for Zona so let's get that started.
##Vote: Zona ..you agree that he made a scum slip...and you vote for someone else. What the fuck? Willing to give the benefit of the doubt for now. If you notice, I'm the one that called him out on the scumslip first so believe me I'm putting weight into it. sandroba's been more active than most though and his posts actually have content in them. My vote on him hinged on what operation he voted for and the one he did choose didn't set off my alarms. Nothing is more dangerous than scum being able to hide amongst Townie lurkers so that's my modus operandi until all the lurkers start doing something useful. This post is scummy as fuck. It sounds like you and sandroba are both scum, and you screwed up by sharing his scumslip and now you want to come back and defend your ally. Why should your vote hinge (to use your word) on which operation he voted for? Your vote should be for the scummiest player. The whole lurker excuse is complete bullshit. ##Vote: sandroba
I propose a nuke of Curu lol? Why would I even point out his scumslip if I didn't want to draw attention to it? How cute, you ignore all the accusations on you in this thread and instead try to divert attention on me with something completely stupid and baseless. Seems like you're in a hurried panic, hmm? My vote hinged on what operation he voted for because he had a whole argument formed based on Mafia's nukes being useless. If sandroba had gone against that whole line of argument he was making (and he was quite involved with it) then he would have appeared scummy as fuck. But he didn't. Instead you now appear scummy as fuck. Saying a lurker excuse is bullshit without providing any reasoning? Proposing to nuke me because I didn't lynch based on a scumslip that I FIRST POINTED OUT? If I had wanted that scumslip unavoided I wouldn't have posted anything about it. I still want to draw the lurkers out but I'd suggest everyone keeping a firm eye on you. I acknowledge pressure votes of me in this thread, and that's why I'm accusing you. Note that the votes for me are pressure votes, not votes to kill me. What I'm saying is you are covering your mistake of pointing it out by not voting him now. I'm saying you made a mistake by pointing it out in the first place and want to correct it. There are other ways people can be scummy besides contradicting themselves. Just because sandroba didn't contradict himself doesn't mean he's clear at all. The lurker excuse was bullshit because you are using it to draw attention away from sandroba by choosing to lurker-hunt instead. You announce the scumslip on sandroba and then don't pressure him and make the excuse of wanting to find scum among lurkers. You could have just voted for sandroba, but you want to defend him because you are both scum. Ok explain one thing to me. Why did I point it out in the first place if we are both scum then? The whole bandwagon against sandroba is starting because of that scumslip. I POINTED OUT THAT SCUMSLIP. I'm not trying to back up and I'm not trying to cover my tracks. I drew attention to that scumslip because I wanted everyone to be aware of it. I just don't think it's as much grounds for serious pressuring yet based purely off of that. You STILL haven't posted anything explaining your scummy posting that's getting you pressured and instead try to draw attention to me. That's just creating more confusion for Town. You're looking scummier by the second. I'm not trying to draw attention away from sandroba. I'm going in with guns blazing. Every single one of my posts at him has mentioned his scumslip. I just don't think he's shown to be more dangerous (yet) than many other people. You very much included.
I KNOW THAT YOU POINTED OUT THAT SCUMSLIP. I've said that multiple times. What I'm saying is that you realize how big of a deal that is and don't want to lose a teammate day one.
I'd like an example of my "scummy posting that's getting me pressured" so I can explain it. Is that what you want?
What do you mean "more dangerous?" If he's scum, you vote for him. Period. It's obviously better to lynch him than someone else who might be town but isn't playing well. Sometimes people forget that town wins when all of the scum are dead. If sandroba is scum, you kill him.
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sinani, what do you think of sandroba's explanation for it? If Curu and sandroba are scum together, why would he post that publicly before posting in the mafia QT?
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##Vote: Zona
He's supposed to be bloody active in the forums, though I'm not sure now that BW PL regular season is already over; so I'm wondering where he could be. In the same vein, why is Eiii's only recent comment not very relevant to the game? Is he lurking as well?
##Vote: Dunkirk Operation
It gives us more return to do this, we're assured of extra lives for Brit Townies unlike the ambiguity of "Up to 3 nukes" of Gunnerside (which implies anything from 1-3; and may even involve a scum counter-op to reduce the number), and Watchtower just stops everything (but if people start voting that way it just slows down the nuke-throwing people are going to do by a day, no more, no less.
And I don't want anyone to nuke anyone just yet, it's unwarranted to be throwing the septic tank around in the air just yet. Maybe target proposals for the next day, but no more than that.
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United States22154 Posts
/shakes head
you never lynch the most vocal players day 1, as theres a more than even chance they are town, if they are really vocal and scum then by day 2 their true colors will probably be apparent.
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On July 06 2011 11:34 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 11:14 Curu wrote:On July 06 2011 11:08 sinani206 wrote:On July 06 2011 11:00 Curu wrote:On July 06 2011 10:55 sinani206 wrote:On July 06 2011 10:51 Curu wrote:On July 06 2011 10:47 chaos13 wrote:On July 06 2011 10:46 Curu wrote:
Sandroba has a scumslip but at least he didn't vote for Operation Gunnerside (if he had after initial conversations with him, I would have bandwagoned the fuck out of him).
That said IMO lurkers hurt Town more than anything else. With a full active playerbase Mafia has to be active meaning more chances for scumslips and important information leaking out. If they can just hide in the lurkers, we have nothing to go on.
I'd like to lure out Cthsazsa, Zona , ~OpZ~ or gtrsrs as they haven't posted -anything- at all. Looks like there's one other for Zona so let's get that started.
##Vote: Zona ..you agree that he made a scum slip...and you vote for someone else. What the fuck? Willing to give the benefit of the doubt for now. If you notice, I'm the one that called him out on the scumslip first so believe me I'm putting weight into it. sandroba's been more active than most though and his posts actually have content in them. My vote on him hinged on what operation he voted for and the one he did choose didn't set off my alarms. Nothing is more dangerous than scum being able to hide amongst Townie lurkers so that's my modus operandi until all the lurkers start doing something useful. This post is scummy as fuck. It sounds like you and sandroba are both scum, and you screwed up by sharing his scumslip and now you want to come back and defend your ally. Why should your vote hinge (to use your word) on which operation he voted for? Your vote should be for the scummiest player. The whole lurker excuse is complete bullshit. ##Vote: sandroba
I propose a nuke of Curu lol? Why would I even point out his scumslip if I didn't want to draw attention to it? How cute, you ignore all the accusations on you in this thread and instead try to divert attention on me with something completely stupid and baseless. Seems like you're in a hurried panic, hmm? My vote hinged on what operation he voted for because he had a whole argument formed based on Mafia's nukes being useless. If sandroba had gone against that whole line of argument he was making (and he was quite involved with it) then he would have appeared scummy as fuck. But he didn't. Instead you now appear scummy as fuck. Saying a lurker excuse is bullshit without providing any reasoning? Proposing to nuke me because I didn't lynch based on a scumslip that I FIRST POINTED OUT? If I had wanted that scumslip unavoided I wouldn't have posted anything about it. I still want to draw the lurkers out but I'd suggest everyone keeping a firm eye on you. I acknowledge pressure votes of me in this thread, and that's why I'm accusing you. Note that the votes for me are pressure votes, not votes to kill me. What I'm saying is you are covering your mistake of pointing it out by not voting him now. I'm saying you made a mistake by pointing it out in the first place and want to correct it. There are other ways people can be scummy besides contradicting themselves. Just because sandroba didn't contradict himself doesn't mean he's clear at all. The lurker excuse was bullshit because you are using it to draw attention away from sandroba by choosing to lurker-hunt instead. You announce the scumslip on sandroba and then don't pressure him and make the excuse of wanting to find scum among lurkers. You could have just voted for sandroba, but you want to defend him because you are both scum. Ok explain one thing to me. Why did I point it out in the first place if we are both scum then? The whole bandwagon against sandroba is starting because of that scumslip. I POINTED OUT THAT SCUMSLIP. I'm not trying to back up and I'm not trying to cover my tracks. I drew attention to that scumslip because I wanted everyone to be aware of it. I just don't think it's as much grounds for serious pressuring yet based purely off of that. You STILL haven't posted anything explaining your scummy posting that's getting you pressured and instead try to draw attention to me. That's just creating more confusion for Town. You're looking scummier by the second. I'm not trying to draw attention away from sandroba. I'm going in with guns blazing. Every single one of my posts at him has mentioned his scumslip. I just don't think he's shown to be more dangerous (yet) than many other people. You very much included. I KNOW THAT YOU POINTED OUT THAT SCUMSLIP. I've said that multiple times. What I'm saying is that you realize how big of a deal that is and don't want to lose a teammate day one. I'd like an example of my "scummy posting that's getting me pressured" so I can explain it. Is that what you want? What do you mean "more dangerous?" If he's scum, you vote for him. Period. It's obviously better to lynch him than someone else who might be town but isn't playing well. Sometimes people forget that town wins when all of the scum are dead. If sandroba is scum, you kill him.
Uhh, go look at the accusations against you. Don't pretend you haven't seen them, you acknowledged that you were being pressured but didn't post anything to explain yourself.
If I didn't want to lose a "teammate" day one I never would have mentioned that scumslip in the first place. Honestly what advantage would that give to me? Explain it. If we're both scum, what advantage would me pointing out his scumslip give me? Town cred? I could only gain that if I followed up immediately with a full-out conviction to lynch him and the lynch went through.
I don't know that he's scum. He has a scumslip but he gave his reasoning for that. You, on the other hand, have done nothing but try to redirect attention to me when there's pressure on you. Even then, you haven't brought up one legitimate reason against me besides that I pointed out a scumslip but am not foaming-at-mouth lynching the person responsible behind it. I explained my reasoning. Hell, sandroba even explained his reasoning for the slip. The only person who hasn't done anything constructive is you.
I'm done arguing with you. We're just distracting the Town now and you don't seem to want to throw up anything constructive besides rehashing your non-points.
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I like that no one comented ON MY HUGE FUCKING CASE on palmar that proves he is scum, then vote for me for something I already explained. First of all you are calling that scum slip (it's a mistake btw, based on previous games knowledge) before we even know how many fucking kp mafia actually has. Good job.
Also anyone that agreed to my plan should be voting to lynch palmar regardless since he broke the no nukes rule, shorttened the day and possibly took away an extra life from another player for no reason. He didn't even follow his own plan. God knows if he has nukes or not.
Use your head and vote for palmar. He is 100% scum.
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On July 06 2011 11:42 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 11:34 sinani206 wrote:On July 06 2011 11:14 Curu wrote:On July 06 2011 11:08 sinani206 wrote:On July 06 2011 11:00 Curu wrote:On July 06 2011 10:55 sinani206 wrote:On July 06 2011 10:51 Curu wrote:On July 06 2011 10:47 chaos13 wrote:On July 06 2011 10:46 Curu wrote:
Sandroba has a scumslip but at least he didn't vote for Operation Gunnerside (if he had after initial conversations with him, I would have bandwagoned the fuck out of him).
That said IMO lurkers hurt Town more than anything else. With a full active playerbase Mafia has to be active meaning more chances for scumslips and important information leaking out. If they can just hide in the lurkers, we have nothing to go on.
I'd like to lure out Cthsazsa, Zona , ~OpZ~ or gtrsrs as they haven't posted -anything- at all. Looks like there's one other for Zona so let's get that started.
##Vote: Zona ..you agree that he made a scum slip...and you vote for someone else. What the fuck? Willing to give the benefit of the doubt for now. If you notice, I'm the one that called him out on the scumslip first so believe me I'm putting weight into it. sandroba's been more active than most though and his posts actually have content in them. My vote on him hinged on what operation he voted for and the one he did choose didn't set off my alarms. Nothing is more dangerous than scum being able to hide amongst Townie lurkers so that's my modus operandi until all the lurkers start doing something useful. This post is scummy as fuck. It sounds like you and sandroba are both scum, and you screwed up by sharing his scumslip and now you want to come back and defend your ally. Why should your vote hinge (to use your word) on which operation he voted for? Your vote should be for the scummiest player. The whole lurker excuse is complete bullshit. ##Vote: sandroba
I propose a nuke of Curu lol? Why would I even point out his scumslip if I didn't want to draw attention to it? How cute, you ignore all the accusations on you in this thread and instead try to divert attention on me with something completely stupid and baseless. Seems like you're in a hurried panic, hmm? My vote hinged on what operation he voted for because he had a whole argument formed based on Mafia's nukes being useless. If sandroba had gone against that whole line of argument he was making (and he was quite involved with it) then he would have appeared scummy as fuck. But he didn't. Instead you now appear scummy as fuck. Saying a lurker excuse is bullshit without providing any reasoning? Proposing to nuke me because I didn't lynch based on a scumslip that I FIRST POINTED OUT? If I had wanted that scumslip unavoided I wouldn't have posted anything about it. I still want to draw the lurkers out but I'd suggest everyone keeping a firm eye on you. I acknowledge pressure votes of me in this thread, and that's why I'm accusing you. Note that the votes for me are pressure votes, not votes to kill me. What I'm saying is you are covering your mistake of pointing it out by not voting him now. I'm saying you made a mistake by pointing it out in the first place and want to correct it. There are other ways people can be scummy besides contradicting themselves. Just because sandroba didn't contradict himself doesn't mean he's clear at all. The lurker excuse was bullshit because you are using it to draw attention away from sandroba by choosing to lurker-hunt instead. You announce the scumslip on sandroba and then don't pressure him and make the excuse of wanting to find scum among lurkers. You could have just voted for sandroba, but you want to defend him because you are both scum. Ok explain one thing to me. Why did I point it out in the first place if we are both scum then? The whole bandwagon against sandroba is starting because of that scumslip. I POINTED OUT THAT SCUMSLIP. I'm not trying to back up and I'm not trying to cover my tracks. I drew attention to that scumslip because I wanted everyone to be aware of it. I just don't think it's as much grounds for serious pressuring yet based purely off of that. You STILL haven't posted anything explaining your scummy posting that's getting you pressured and instead try to draw attention to me. That's just creating more confusion for Town. You're looking scummier by the second. I'm not trying to draw attention away from sandroba. I'm going in with guns blazing. Every single one of my posts at him has mentioned his scumslip. I just don't think he's shown to be more dangerous (yet) than many other people. You very much included. I KNOW THAT YOU POINTED OUT THAT SCUMSLIP. I've said that multiple times. What I'm saying is that you realize how big of a deal that is and don't want to lose a teammate day one. I'd like an example of my "scummy posting that's getting me pressured" so I can explain it. Is that what you want? What do you mean "more dangerous?" If he's scum, you vote for him. Period. It's obviously better to lynch him than someone else who might be town but isn't playing well. Sometimes people forget that town wins when all of the scum are dead. If sandroba is scum, you kill him. Uhh, go look at the accusations against you. Don't pretend you haven't seen them, you acknowledged that you were being pressured but didn't post anything to explain yourself. If I didn't want to lose a "teammate" day one I never would have mentioned that scumslip in the first place. Honestly what advantage would that give to me? Explain it. If we're both scum, what advantage would me pointing out his scumslip give me? Town cred? I could only gain that if I followed up immediately with a full-out conviction to lynch him and the lynch went through. I don't know that he's scum. He has a scumslip but he gave his reasoning for that. You, on the other hand, have done nothing but try to redirect attention to me when there's pressure on you. Even then, you haven't brought up one legitimate reason against me besides that I pointed out a scumslip but am not foaming-at-mouth lynching the person responsible behind it. I explained my reasoning. Hell, sandroba even explained his reasoning for the slip. The only person who hasn't done anything constructive is you. I'm done arguing with you. We're just distracting the Town now and you don't seem to want to throw up anything constructive besides rehashing your non-points.
I'm saying that you made a mistake.
You might have been trying to bus your teammate to gain towncred later game but later changed your mind. There are other reasons as well.
Also, there's nothing wrong with FoSing you while I'm under pressure, because I'm under pressure because I wasn't contributing. This is the start of my contribution. I'm trying to add to discussion.
What does everyone else think of my accusation on sandroba and Curu?
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On July 06 2011 11:50 sandroba wrote:
I like that no one comented ON MY HUGE FUCKING CASE on palmar that proves he is scum, then vote for me for something I already explained. First of all you are calling that scum slip (it's a mistake btw, based on previous games knowledge) before we even know how many fucking kp mafia actually has. Good job.
Also anyone that agreed to my plan should be voting to lynch palmar regardless since he broke the no nukes rule, shorttened the day and possibly took away an extra life from another player for no reason. He didn't even follow his own plan. God knows if he has nukes or not.
Use your head and vote for palmar. He is 100% scum.
At the moment I'm not completely sure he is scum. He did break the rules we had outlined and nuked for no reason though. My idea of nuke policy has changed after reading through N0 more closely, and while Palmar's stance is iffy, I'm debating between him being an outspoken townie with misplaced ideals and mafia/conspirator.
So for breaking teh rulez:
##Unvote: sandroba
##Vote: Palmar
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On July 06 2011 09:00 syllogism wrote:I'm not happy with how quite a few approached the campaign options (by the way GMarshal, do you still think Gunnerside is the best one?), but I'm going to highlight Sinani206 first as he has been lurking. Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 03:58 sinani206 wrote:On July 06 2011 03:44 Caller wrote:
I will say though that not all missiles are created equal. So scum missiles do more damage? ##Operation Gunnerside Many players were guilty of this kind of hasty/shallow/poor analysis, but this seems particularly worrisome as it looks like an attempt to gain town cred rather than a town person voting for the best option. All nukes are lethal without nuclear resistance/extra lives and I think it's safe to assume few roles will have such perks. Thus, these "special" nukes aren't really a bigger threat than regular ones, especially as scum doesn't know who is resistant. Moreover, there's no reason to think only scum roles could have such nukes or that the campaign would prioritize "special nukes". Sinani206 would you explain why you put so little effort into this? Kurumi's analysis of the options was strange as well. ##vote Sinani206
I don't agree that extra lives are a better choice that killing the scum's nukes.
The nukes go through the extra lives.
Destroying three nukes that can kill anything is better than protecting three people that can still be hit by those nukes.
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On July 06 2011 11:55 sinani206 wrote:
What does everyone else think of my accusation on sandroba and Curu?
Weak. I can see the argument against sandroba, but he has been very pro-town besides it, and provided a reasonable explanation for it. Further, as GM said if he is scum he is being vocal enough that some mild scrutiny will reveal his alignment. Your case against Curu is pithy. There's nothing behind it. You're accusing him of being scum for calling out what could be a potential scum slip
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On July 06 2011 11:50 sandroba wrote:
I like that no one comented ON MY HUGE FUCKING CASE on palmar that proves he is scum, then vote for me for something I already explained. First of all you are calling that scum slip (it's a mistake btw, based on previous games knowledge) before we even know how many fucking kp mafia actually has. Good job.
Also anyone that agreed to my plan should be voting to lynch palmar regardless since he broke the no nukes rule, shorttened the day and possibly took away an extra life from another player for no reason. He didn't even follow his own plan. God knows if he has nukes or not.
Use your head and vote for palmar. He is 100% scum.
I think you made a strong case but would like to focus on one or two people at a time and right now I really want to focus on sinani (then probably kurumi who is basically lurking after making a really scummy post) who I pressure voted just because of some slight scumminess/lurking but his response to everyone was way over the top and really suspicious, so I think we should keep on that for now.
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On July 06 2011 02:52 prplhz wrote:
I like Watchtower. If we find a real scum tomorrow then the guy will probably launch all nukes before he dies. Watchtower prevents this and we eliminate scum nukes when scum dies. Dunkirk sounds alright too but relies on bad mafia and not good town. Gunnerside sounds a little weak since it looks like everybody accepted the GMdroba plan now.
Also, if Palmar only has duds he should launch right now. Preferably at lurker.
Anyone else find what he was urging completely wrong directions for the town? For one he advocated Watchtower. Not only will this stop our current plan from being implemented it is clearly and by far the worst of the three options from initial assessment. He even mentions the "plan" as a deterrent from Gunnerside but doesn't mention its implications in Watchtower. Dunkirk reasoning is just... what?
Also he urges Palmar to launch dud nukes when its been stated that they won't do anything to stop other nukes. What benefit could he have possibly wanted from launching dud-nukes?
Palmar's reason for sending the nukes was that it supports his credibility that he has no nukes (a little flimsy, but I'll take it for now) However this couldn't have been what he was thinking of when he urges Palmar to launch dud-nukes. What is prplhz's reasoning?
I really don't like his judgments and am suspicious of anyone who supported Watchtower. No one else has posts this seemingly scummy (although Sinani's outburst has caught my eye)
so I will be voting for him to pressure him.
##Vote: prplhz
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What reason does a townie has to prove he's not lying by commiting an anti-town action, when no one was even pressuring him. That's right NONE. No one even questioned the fact that he had nukes or not. He had no reason as townie to "prove it".
Now scum has plenty of reasons to prove they are not lying, they are afraid and must take suspicion away from them even before people start noticing them. Palmar knows he's doomed and is using his last breath to fuck with us. Let's lynch him!
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On July 06 2011 11:50 sandroba wrote:
I like that no one comented ON MY HUGE FUCKING CASE on palmar that proves he is scum, then vote for me for something I already explained. First of all you are calling that scum slip (it's a mistake btw, based on previous games knowledge) before we even know how many fucking kp mafia actually has. Good job.
Also anyone that agreed to my plan should be voting to lynch palmar regardless since he broke the no nukes rule, shorttened the day and possibly took away an extra life from another player for no reason. He didn't even follow his own plan. God knows if he has nukes or not.
Use your head and vote for palmar. He is 100% scum.
I don't like metagame arguments because there's so much WIFOM possible there's it's a clusterfuck.
The main argument I see against Palmar is that he fired a supposed dud when nothing good could come out of it (either he hits a Vet and costs them a life or nothing happens). He claims ignorance of the rules but it's pretty apparent IMO in the OP. He does look pretty scummy since I can't find anything to gain for Town from his actions and only possible losses.
Right now I find sinani much more scummy though. And I still want these lurkers to come out and contribute something.
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No, it's not. Read it carefully and you will see that palmar is playing extremelly anti-town AND has gone through a behaviour change that is extremelly mafia oriented way. It's not WIFOM at all (this term gets throw around incorrectly a lot). It's pure conclusive behaviour analysis.
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On July 05 2011 20:05 Kurumi wrote:
I have two nukes and I won't use them ever. I can see Caller rofling after only four nukes being shot and Conspirator winning. I don't want to lose because I nuked like a mad man. I'd rather lose thanks to shitty analysis of mine and poor leadership. You can discuss nuking plans, I am off from those because I am not going to use them.
Best fucking Idea in the game. No one use their nukes. It's simple as that.
##Dunkirk Operation
An extra life never hurts 
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