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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
July 02 2011 02:55 GMT
#121
I don't get why you think claiming now is not useful.
And information, although useful, is not going to win us the game, scumhunting will. And it seems like youre unwilling to do that.

I rather dts claim now then us lose information. Also, although it's very helpful to have sane cops alive, we don't lose the game if they are not.
Whaaaa?
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
July 02 2011 03:26 GMT
#122
Five people claimed DT.
1 died and 2 outed their results before me. It would have looked scummy to not out my results.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
nard
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany124 Posts
July 02 2011 04:09 GMT
#123
Sandroba is Mafia.

EPIC TWIST
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 02 2011 04:47 GMT
#124
On July 02 2011 12:26 sinani206 wrote:
Five people claimed DT.
1 died and 2 outed their results before me. It would have looked scummy to not out my results.


Difference is that they got scum reads...
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
July 02 2011 05:21 GMT
#125
On July 02 2011 13:47 Pyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 12:26 sinani206 wrote:
Five people claimed DT.
1 died and 2 outed their results before me. It would have looked scummy to not out my results.


Difference is that they got scum reads...


They would know I got an inno if I didn't out though.

This argument is pointless.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 02 2011 07:02 GMT
#126
On July 02 2011 11:55 Misder wrote:
I don't get why you think claiming now is not useful.
And information, although useful, is not going to win us the game, scumhunting will. And it seems like youre unwilling to do that.

I rather dts claim now then us lose information. Also, although it's very helpful to have sane cops alive, we don't lose the game if they are not.


Am I the only one who thinks that this whole like of thinking is completely non-sensical. Why would giving away an advantage be a good thing?

First you say, "information, although useful, is not going to win us the game."

Then you say "I rather dts claim now then us lose information."

You're contradicting yourself. You want scum-hunting, there you have it. I was going to vote for whoever's brilliant idea it was to have DT's out themselves day 1 when nothing can be confirmed by it, and low and behold, it's you.

Until I see evidence to the contrary, I think we've just found our mafia pair: sinani206 and Misder.

##vote: Misder
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
July 02 2011 07:23 GMT
#127
On July 02 2011 16:02 Pyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 11:55 Misder wrote:
I don't get why you think claiming now is not useful.
And information, although useful, is not going to win us the game, scumhunting will. And it seems like youre unwilling to do that.

I rather dts claim now then us lose information. Also, although it's very helpful to have sane cops alive, we don't lose the game if they are not.


Am I the only one who thinks that this whole like of thinking is completely non-sensical. Why would giving away an advantage be a good thing?

First you say, "information, although useful, is not going to win us the game."

Then you say "I rather dts claim now then us lose information."

You're contradicting yourself. You want scum-hunting, there you have it. I was going to vote for whoever's brilliant idea it was to have DT's out themselves day 1 when nothing can be confirmed by it, and low and behold, it's you.

Until I see evidence to the contrary, I think we've just found our mafia pair: sinani206 and Misder.

##vote: Misder



You call that scumhunting?
All you did was find the tiniest little thing that possibly could be considered noob town at worst and declare that you've already found the scum.

I'm pressure voting for RoL because he hasn't posted yet today and I know that he's a good player.
##Vote: RebirthOfLegend
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 02 2011 08:43 GMT
#128
On July 02 2011 16:23 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 16:02 Pyo wrote:
On July 02 2011 11:55 Misder wrote:
I don't get why you think claiming now is not useful.
And information, although useful, is not going to win us the game, scumhunting will. And it seems like youre unwilling to do that.

I rather dts claim now then us lose information. Also, although it's very helpful to have sane cops alive, we don't lose the game if they are not.


Am I the only one who thinks that this whole like of thinking is completely non-sensical. Why would giving away an advantage be a good thing?

First you say, "information, although useful, is not going to win us the game."

Then you say "I rather dts claim now then us lose information."

You're contradicting yourself. You want scum-hunting, there you have it. I was going to vote for whoever's brilliant idea it was to have DT's out themselves day 1 when nothing can be confirmed by it, and low and behold, it's you.

Until I see evidence to the contrary, I think we've just found our mafia pair: sinani206 and Misder.

##vote: Misder



You call that scumhunting?
All you did was find the tiniest little thing that possibly could be considered noob town at worst and declare that you've already found the scum.

I'm pressure voting for RoL because he hasn't posted yet today and I know that he's a good player.
##Vote: RebirthOfLegend


Yeah, two noob-towns who just happened to be checking each other? It's a little hard for me to believe, but w/e, if you're actually telling the truth you're probably going to be dead during the next night cycle from which we get nothing but more WIFOM...
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 02 2011 10:57 GMT
#129
sandroba: K, checked RoL got scum. GG.

sinani206: Checked misder, got townie.

supersoft: checked pyo, got scum

nard: Sandroba is Mafia.

_________________________________________

if misder and sinani206 are scum, we would have 3 insane DTs. Or mafia framed pyo/RoL/sandroba

i don't know, I don't think misder and sinani206 is our scumpair
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
July 02 2011 13:41 GMT
#130
Pyo, dts have info. if they die without getting the info out, then it's wasted. However, again, and something you're not getting at, is that scumhunting is a big part of the game. At the very least, I dont want you to tunnel on a Misder+sinani scum team.


Here is what I was thinking overnight.

Today we lynch a townie claim. Vig shoots the other tonight, and we got scum either today, that night or the following day. At worst we get 2 confirmed townies, 1 confirmed sane, and more info from the other cops vs 1 scum. Scum has to choose between trying to kill the vig or killing sinani tonight.


Also, ROL and VE, what do you think of a Misder+sinani scum team?
Whaaaa?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 02 2011 14:21 GMT
#131
On July 02 2011 22:41 Misder wrote:
Pyo, dts have info. if they die without getting the info out, then it's wasted. However, again, and something you're not getting at, is that scumhunting is a big part of the game. At the very least, I dont want you to tunnel on a Misder+sinani scum team.


Here is what I was thinking overnight.

Today we lynch a townie claim. Vig shoots the other tonight, and we got scum either today, that night or the following day. At worst we get 2 confirmed townies, 1 confirmed sane, and more info from the other cops vs 1 scum. Scum has to choose between trying to kill the vig or killing sinani tonight.


Also, ROL and VE, what do you think of a Misder+sinani scum team?


okay this post, I don't know.

##vote: Misder
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 02 2011 14:55 GMT
#132
On July 02 2011 19:57 supersoft wrote:
sandroba: K, checked RoL got scum. GG.

sinani206: Checked misder, got townie.

supersoft: checked pyo, got scum

nard: Sandroba is Mafia.

_________________________________________

if misder and sinani206 are scum, we would have 3 insane DTs. Or mafia framed pyo/RoL/sandroba

i don't know, I don't think misder and sinani206 is our scumpair



I could see how either RoL or myself could have been framed. RoL was the FoS of the guy who got shot and I made a whole bunch of "optimal strategy" posts.

Basically, of the four, one of them is scum. sinani stood out to me as the least believable.
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
July 02 2011 15:37 GMT
#133
People who are not confirmed:

3. RebirthOfLeGenD
4. VisceraEyes
5. Sandroba
6. Pyo
7. supersoft
8. nard


Of the three townie claims here, one is town, one is vigilante, and one is mafia.
Of the three detective claims here, two are detectives and one is mafia.

If vigilante claims:
We have one mafia and one town left.

A) If we kill the townie today, vigilante can shoot the mafia tonight and the Mafia will use their KP on me, misder, or the vigilante: the confirmed sane detective or the two confirmed townies.
If they kill me there will be 2 detectives, 2 townies, and 1 mafia left. 1/3*1/2 = 1/6
If they kill a town there will be 3 detectives, 1 townie, and 1 mafia left. 2/3*1/2 = 2/6

B) If we kill the mafia today, vigilante can shoot an unconfirmed detective tonight and have a 1/3 chance of hitting the second mafia, and Mafia will still kill me, misder, the vigilante, or the townie.
If the vigilante hits a Mafia, town wins. 1/3*1/2 = 3/18
If the vigilante hits a detective and Mafia kills me there will be 2 detectives, 2 townies, and 1 mafia left. 2/3*1/4*1/2 = 1/12
If the vigilante hits a detective and Mafia kills a townie there will be 3 detectives, 1 townie, and 1 mafia tonight. 2/3*3/4*1/2 = 1/4

Chance of 2/2/1: 3/12
Chance of 3/1/1: 7/12
Chance of win: 2/12

I think that the vigilante claiming is our best course of action.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
July 02 2011 15:38 GMT
#134
On July 03 2011 00:37 sinani206 wrote:
People who are not confirmed:

3. RebirthOfLeGenD
4. VisceraEyes
5. Sandroba
6. Pyo
7. supersoft
8. nard


Of the three townie claims here, one is town, one is vigilante, and one is mafia.
Of the three detective claims here, two are detectives and one is mafia.

If vigilante claims:
We have one mafia and one town left.

A) If we kill the townie today, vigilante can shoot the mafia tonight and the Mafia will use their KP on me, misder, or the vigilante: the confirmed sane detective or the two confirmed townies.
If they kill me there will be 2 detectives, 2 townies, and 1 mafia left. 1/3*1/2 = 1/6
If they kill a town there will be 3 detectives, 1 townie, and 1 mafia left. 2/3*1/2 = 1/3

B) If we kill the mafia today, vigilante can shoot an unconfirmed detective tonight and have a 1/3 chance of hitting the second mafia, and Mafia will still kill me, misder, the vigilante, or the townie.
If the vigilante hits a Mafia, town wins. 1/3*1/2 = 1/6
If the vigilante hits a detective and Mafia kills me there will be 2 detectives, 2 townies, and 1 mafia left. 2/3*1/4*1/2 = 1/12
If the vigilante hits a detective and Mafia kills a townie there will be 3 detectives, 1 townie, and 1 mafia tonight. 2/3*3/4*1/2 = 1/4

Chance of 2/2/1: 3/12 25%
Chance of 3/1/1: 7/12 58%
Chance of win: 2/12 17%

I think that the vigilante claiming is our best course of action.


Fixed a fraction and put percentages.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
July 02 2011 15:48 GMT
#135
I rather not have vig claim today unless he's the lynch target. Better to not give unnecessary info to scum.
Whaaaa?
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 02 2011 16:03 GMT
#136
On July 03 2011 00:38 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 00:37 sinani206 wrote:
People who are not confirmed:

3. RebirthOfLeGenD
4. VisceraEyes
5. Sandroba
6. Pyo
7. supersoft
8. nard


Of the three townie claims here, one is town, one is vigilante, and one is mafia.
Of the three detective claims here, two are detectives and one is mafia.

If vigilante claims:
We have one mafia and one town left.

A) If we kill the townie today, vigilante can shoot the mafia tonight and the Mafia will use their KP on me, misder, or the vigilante: the confirmed sane detective or the two confirmed townies.
If they kill me there will be 2 detectives, 2 townies, and 1 mafia left. 1/3*1/2 = 1/6
If they kill a town there will be 3 detectives, 1 townie, and 1 mafia left. 2/3*1/2 = 1/3

B) If we kill the mafia today, vigilante can shoot an unconfirmed detective tonight and have a 1/3 chance of hitting the second mafia, and Mafia will still kill me, misder, the vigilante, or the townie.
If the vigilante hits a Mafia, town wins. 1/3*1/2 = 1/6
If the vigilante hits a detective and Mafia kills me there will be 2 detectives, 2 townies, and 1 mafia left. 2/3*1/4*1/2 = 1/12
If the vigilante hits a detective and Mafia kills a townie there will be 3 detectives, 1 townie, and 1 mafia tonight. 2/3*3/4*1/2 = 1/4

Chance of 2/2/1: 3/12 25%
Chance of 3/1/1: 7/12 58%
Chance of win: 2/12 17%

I think that the vigilante claiming is our best course of action.


Fixed a fraction and put percentages.


All of that is a false premise - neither you nor misder is "confirmed." Stop blue hunting.
Vigi shouldn't need to claim unless he's about to be lynched. If mafia want to waste KP hunting Vigi, that simply gives time for the sane DT to actually know he's sane/get more checks, while making it easier for the Vigi to actually hit the mafia false-claiming VT.
nard
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany124 Posts
July 02 2011 16:24 GMT
#137
imo we should go for a dt instead of a townie - vigi will be able to hide longer. this means we have to decide between sinani206, sandroba, supersoft and me.

for me nobody is confirmed green/blue yet.

not really sure who to vote (except not me of course) but probaby sinani206 for agressively trying to convince everybody he is confirmed or sandroba (dont think he got framed on night1 and want to know if im sane or not)

i would urge vigi for his own survival to go for the mafia on dt side first and stay undercover :D
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 02 2011 17:34 GMT
#138
ahm this is pretty convincing. Since already one of the 4 DTs is dead, we lynch on of the DT group so our vig won't get hurt.

i'll go for sandroba/sinani206 then. Nards plan seems reasonable so far, so he's not the prime target for me, for now.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 02 2011 17:41 GMT
#139
It doesn't make much sense for mafia to go after town - vigi is a double edge sword so it seems unlikely that they'd actively hunt for him. They are much better off trying to eliminate sane DT's. That's why town lynching a DT makes very little sense. Lynching a townie is by far the safest play because if we happen to target the vigi, he can just claim (mafia can't false claim without exposing themselves to the vigi). And if we decrease the number of townies, we increase the chance that the vigi will be able to make his shot count. Remember that the vigi has three possible town targets, while he has 4 possible DT targets. Reducing claimed towns is obviously the better choice until the vigi has used his shot or we confirmed who the mafia claiming VT is.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 02 2011 20:31 GMT
#140
I like nards plan. If we lynch sinani today there are 2 outcomes:
1)He is scum: good
2)He is town: Mysder is confirmed town: Mafia has to shoot him. We can confirm our sanity by having an extra night of checks + townie flips. Vig claims and shoots 1 of the remaining townies. We lynch the other tomorrow. We have 100% of lynching scum.

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