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Misder
United States1557 Posts
And information, although useful, is not going to win us the game, scumhunting will. And it seems like youre unwilling to do that. I rather dts claim now then us lose information. Also, although it's very helpful to have sane cops alive, we don't lose the game if they are not. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
1 died and 2 outed their results before me. It would have looked scummy to not out my results. | ||
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nard
Germany124 Posts
EPIC TWIST | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On July 02 2011 12:26 sinani206 wrote: Five people claimed DT. 1 died and 2 outed their results before me. It would have looked scummy to not out my results. Difference is that they got scum reads... | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
They would know I got an inno if I didn't out though. This argument is pointless. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On July 02 2011 11:55 Misder wrote: I don't get why you think claiming now is not useful. And information, although useful, is not going to win us the game, scumhunting will. And it seems like youre unwilling to do that. I rather dts claim now then us lose information. Also, although it's very helpful to have sane cops alive, we don't lose the game if they are not. Am I the only one who thinks that this whole like of thinking is completely non-sensical. Why would giving away an advantage be a good thing? First you say, "information, although useful, is not going to win us the game." Then you say "I rather dts claim now then us lose information." You're contradicting yourself. You want scum-hunting, there you have it. I was going to vote for whoever's brilliant idea it was to have DT's out themselves day 1 when nothing can be confirmed by it, and low and behold, it's you. Until I see evidence to the contrary, I think we've just found our mafia pair: sinani206 and Misder. ##vote: Misder | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On July 02 2011 16:02 Pyo wrote: Am I the only one who thinks that this whole like of thinking is completely non-sensical. Why would giving away an advantage be a good thing? First you say, "information, although useful, is not going to win us the game." Then you say "I rather dts claim now then us lose information." You're contradicting yourself. You want scum-hunting, there you have it. I was going to vote for whoever's brilliant idea it was to have DT's out themselves day 1 when nothing can be confirmed by it, and low and behold, it's you. Until I see evidence to the contrary, I think we've just found our mafia pair: sinani206 and Misder. ##vote: Misder You call that scumhunting? All you did was find the tiniest little thing that possibly could be considered noob town at worst and declare that you've already found the scum. I'm pressure voting for RoL because he hasn't posted yet today and I know that he's a good player. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On July 02 2011 16:23 sinani206 wrote: You call that scumhunting? All you did was find the tiniest little thing that possibly could be considered noob town at worst and declare that you've already found the scum. I'm pressure voting for RoL because he hasn't posted yet today and I know that he's a good player. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend Yeah, two noob-towns who just happened to be checking each other? It's a little hard for me to believe, but w/e, if you're actually telling the truth you're probably going to be dead during the next night cycle from which we get nothing but more WIFOM... | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
sinani206: Checked misder, got townie. supersoft: checked pyo, got scum nard: Sandroba is Mafia. _________________________________________ if misder and sinani206 are scum, we would have 3 insane DTs. Or mafia framed pyo/RoL/sandroba i don't know, I don't think misder and sinani206 is our scumpair | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
Here is what I was thinking overnight. Today we lynch a townie claim. Vig shoots the other tonight, and we got scum either today, that night or the following day. At worst we get 2 confirmed townies, 1 confirmed sane, and more info from the other cops vs 1 scum. Scum has to choose between trying to kill the vig or killing sinani tonight. Also, ROL and VE, what do you think of a Misder+sinani scum team? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On July 02 2011 22:41 Misder wrote: Pyo, dts have info. if they die without getting the info out, then it's wasted. However, again, and something you're not getting at, is that scumhunting is a big part of the game. At the very least, I dont want you to tunnel on a Misder+sinani scum team. Here is what I was thinking overnight. Today we lynch a townie claim. Vig shoots the other tonight, and we got scum either today, that night or the following day. At worst we get 2 confirmed townies, 1 confirmed sane, and more info from the other cops vs 1 scum. Scum has to choose between trying to kill the vig or killing sinani tonight. Also, ROL and VE, what do you think of a Misder+sinani scum team? okay this post, I don't know. ##vote: Misder | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On July 02 2011 19:57 supersoft wrote: sandroba: K, checked RoL got scum. GG. sinani206: Checked misder, got townie. supersoft: checked pyo, got scum nard: Sandroba is Mafia. _________________________________________ if misder and sinani206 are scum, we would have 3 insane DTs. Or mafia framed pyo/RoL/sandroba i don't know, I don't think misder and sinani206 is our scumpair I could see how either RoL or myself could have been framed. RoL was the FoS of the guy who got shot and I made a whole bunch of "optimal strategy" posts. Basically, of the four, one of them is scum. sinani stood out to me as the least believable. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
3. RebirthOfLeGenD 4. VisceraEyes 5. Sandroba 6. Pyo 7. supersoft 8. nard Of the three townie claims here, one is town, one is vigilante, and one is mafia. Of the three detective claims here, two are detectives and one is mafia. If vigilante claims: We have one mafia and one town left. A) If we kill the townie today, vigilante can shoot the mafia tonight and the Mafia will use their KP on me, misder, or the vigilante: the confirmed sane detective or the two confirmed townies. If they kill me there will be 2 detectives, 2 townies, and 1 mafia left. 1/3*1/2 = 1/6 If they kill a town there will be 3 detectives, 1 townie, and 1 mafia left. 2/3*1/2 = 2/6 B) If we kill the mafia today, vigilante can shoot an unconfirmed detective tonight and have a 1/3 chance of hitting the second mafia, and Mafia will still kill me, misder, the vigilante, or the townie. If the vigilante hits a Mafia, town wins. 1/3*1/2 = 3/18 If the vigilante hits a detective and Mafia kills me there will be 2 detectives, 2 townies, and 1 mafia left. 2/3*1/4*1/2 = 1/12 If the vigilante hits a detective and Mafia kills a townie there will be 3 detectives, 1 townie, and 1 mafia tonight. 2/3*3/4*1/2 = 1/4 Chance of 2/2/1: 3/12 Chance of 3/1/1: 7/12 Chance of win: 2/12 I think that the vigilante claiming is our best course of action. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On July 03 2011 00:37 sinani206 wrote: People who are not confirmed: 3. RebirthOfLeGenD 4. VisceraEyes 5. Sandroba 6. Pyo 7. supersoft 8. nard Of the three townie claims here, one is town, one is vigilante, and one is mafia. Of the three detective claims here, two are detectives and one is mafia. If vigilante claims: We have one mafia and one town left. A) If we kill the townie today, vigilante can shoot the mafia tonight and the Mafia will use their KP on me, misder, or the vigilante: the confirmed sane detective or the two confirmed townies. If they kill me there will be 2 detectives, 2 townies, and 1 mafia left. 1/3*1/2 = 1/6 If they kill a town there will be 3 detectives, 1 townie, and 1 mafia left. 2/3*1/2 = 1/3 B) If we kill the mafia today, vigilante can shoot an unconfirmed detective tonight and have a 1/3 chance of hitting the second mafia, and Mafia will still kill me, misder, the vigilante, or the townie. If the vigilante hits a Mafia, town wins. 1/3*1/2 = 1/6 If the vigilante hits a detective and Mafia kills me there will be 2 detectives, 2 townies, and 1 mafia left. 2/3*1/4*1/2 = 1/12 If the vigilante hits a detective and Mafia kills a townie there will be 3 detectives, 1 townie, and 1 mafia tonight. 2/3*3/4*1/2 = 1/4 Chance of 2/2/1: 3/12 25% Chance of 3/1/1: 7/12 58% Chance of win: 2/12 17% I think that the vigilante claiming is our best course of action. Fixed a fraction and put percentages. | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
All of that is a false premise - neither you nor misder is "confirmed." Stop blue hunting. Vigi shouldn't need to claim unless he's about to be lynched. If mafia want to waste KP hunting Vigi, that simply gives time for the sane DT to actually know he's sane/get more checks, while making it easier for the Vigi to actually hit the mafia false-claiming VT. | ||
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nard
Germany124 Posts
for me nobody is confirmed green/blue yet. not really sure who to vote (except not me of course) but probaby sinani206 for agressively trying to convince everybody he is confirmed or sandroba (dont think he got framed on night1 and want to know if im sane or not) i would urge vigi for his own survival to go for the mafia on dt side first and stay undercover :D | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
i'll go for sandroba/sinani206 then. Nards plan seems reasonable so far, so he's not the prime target for me, for now. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
1)He is scum: good 2)He is town: Mysder is confirmed town: Mafia has to shoot him. We can confirm our sanity by having an extra night of checks + townie flips. Vig claims and shoots 1 of the remaining townies. We lynch the other tomorrow. We have 100% of lynching scum. Vote:Sinani206 | ||
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