oh wow there's only 2 scum left

okay well i might as well claim
i'm mad hatter, my only bomb is on hiro right now which i planted on the first day
i then changed my bombs to dropbear and opz (lurker bomb) on the second day, which is why when dropbear died (go look at the posts following his deaths) i seemed frustrated that the vig shot him, you can also see me dropping breadcrumbs about my death, "i'd have to be mad to etc.etc."

unfortunately i found out quite late that i had been roleblocked day 2 and so my bomb is still on hiro

there you go i warned you

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

July 02 2011 00:25 GMT

#1266

also, that's the reason why i was specifically avoiding talking about dropbear, i didn't want people to lynch him when i had a bomb on him, although i guess it turned out for the better that the roleblocker died early

anyway this game is basically in the bag so whatever
i'm still curious as to how this bandwagon on me started

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 02 2011 00:27 GMT

#1267

Mainly due to you playing really poorly and not particularly caring. Lynching you won't get Opz nuked, assuming you are telling the truth?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 02 2011 00:28 GMT

#1268

Oh nevermind, can't read

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 02 2011 00:30 GMT

#1269

We could lynch someone else, have you relocate your bombs tomorrow and then vigi you

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

July 02 2011 00:30 GMT

#1270

O.o the detective tunneled me before he died.. So it's similar to a Drazerk/TAA situation..

That makes sense I guess, the only thing I can say is chaos13's play is /facepalm worthy.

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

July 02 2011 00:30 GMT

#1271

My role lets me detonate at will. No need to vigi hit me.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

July 02 2011 00:31 GMT

#1272

Doesn't a hatters bombs only go off if he's killed?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 02 2011 00:31 GMT

#1273

Right, lets do that. Anyone around? Should we lynch Hito or Sinani201

Also if you are gf/mafia, this gambit is a waste of time

Mr. Wiggles

Canada5894 Posts

July 02 2011 00:32 GMT

#1274

Ok, I'm back, and the game is going really good apparently. :p

I'm gonna address a few things:

On July 02 2011 08:28 syllogism wrote:
Mr. Wiggles looks pretty bad based on his defense of VE. It's not possible for mafia to have shot VE, all mafia hits are accounted for (Sandroba, Chaos13, Varpulis). If a vigi killed one of those, just claim.

Could you please point out where I defended visc? I don't think I have any posts where I say he's the detective, and I was content to let him sit in unconfirmed limbo until his posting revealed what he was for certain. The fact that he never made any post besides talking about how he was the DT made him look scummier and scummier to me, and if he continued, I was going to push for his lynch tomorrow.

Next, I don't get why everyone is saying the case on Sinani201 is "so strong".

Basically, accusations against newer players can be separated into three different ideas:

Useless Posting
Lurking
Bad Play

These things are always a bad thing for a player to do, but are not always indicative of scum. The hard part is trying to tell the difference between it being a bad/newbie townie, and scum. Personally, I think in this case it's an instance of a newbie town.

The first two parts of Sinai206's analysis rest on useless posting and lurking. However, I disagree with his conclusions, and also how he creates his own motives for why Sinani201 is posting what he is.

For the next part, most of it looks a lot like bad town play to me, more than someone pushing scummy objectives, especially with posts like:

On June 28 2011 13:24 Sinani201 wrote:

Show nested quote +

From this, it seems like you are either trying to help the Mafia, or softclaiming medic. Or perhaps trying to help the medic.

Sinani206 tries to play this up as being scummy, but this honestly makes Sinani201 seem more likely to be town, to me. The reason for this is, that a scummy player would simply notify his team if he thought someone made a blue slip, as opposed to pointing it out for everyone to see, which is bad play. So, this just ends up looking like a townie saying something bad while thinking out loud.

There's also a lot of idea twisting in the analysis, but I'm not going to point out every instance of it. If you want me to, I can, but otherwise I'm not going to exert the effort. So, I'm going to leave this with what I've said, and also just that I disagree with most of it.

As for other lynch targets. I think Hiro is scummy, but I don't know if it's worth lynching him today. The reasons for this are several. Firstly, his lynch gives us little information. He's not here anymore to defend himself, so there's not exactly much discussion to be had besides what's already on the table. Next, he's been incredibly inactive today, and will very likely be on the lurker list tomorrow. This means that ~OpZ~ can take a shot at him if he so desires, saving us the lynch. Lastly, since Hiro is incredibly inactive, he has very little thread influence. Since mafia KP is already dropped to one, we might as well hunt for the last mafia among us than spend our time waiting for the flip of Hiro, we're more productive that way. So, if we can't find anyone else who looks like scum, we can lynch Hiro, but otherwise we're better off saving him for a lurker bullet.

And now I've just tabbed back to the thread and saw that YM claimed hatter... So, I'm going to have to figure out what's happening now.

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

July 02 2011 00:33 GMT

#1275

Mad Hatter: You are a mad hatter. Starting Day 1 you may place (1) bomb on any player. When you die your bomb will go off killing whoever you have it on. At any time you may choose to detonate your bomb killing yourself and the person you have the bomb placed on. A bomb is equal to 1KP. You may place/detonate in the same day. You may also place one additional bomb in the lurker list. Both the lurker bomb and the normal bomb can be placed/replaced in the same cycle.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

July 02 2011 00:33 GMT

#1276

hmm

I would't mind simply asking young to kill himself and hiro?

and then we lynch sinani201 and shoot GM tomorrow.

that's 3 scummy players in one go, and an outed hatter is pretty useless anyway, as we can't trust him without killing him.

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

July 02 2011 00:34 GMT

#1277

can't kill myself in the last 6 hours of the day i believe

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 02 2011 00:37 GMT

#1278

We could lynch Hyaach too, his post regarding VE is pretty scummy

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

July 02 2011 00:37 GMT

#1279

On July 01 2011 00:40 youngminii wrote:
Good snipe but you REALLY should have shot GMarshal. I am disappoint.

On July 01 2011 00:47 youngminii wrote:
syllo is right, I made a distinct effort to avoid talking about DropBear. Basically DropBear showed pretty huge scum behaviour, any town KP role worth his weight would have targeted him. This tells us our Vig is very competent ^_^

On July 01 2011 00:52 youngminii wrote:
But I didn't claim credit, I'd have to be mad to try and take credit for something I had no part of.

o.o

Me leaving breadcrumbs right after DropBear's death.

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

July 02 2011 00:37 GMT

#1280

You say you can detonate your bombs at will YM? Does that kill you? (I'm assuming yes)

If so then we can spare you today and have you bomb me to confirm me tomorrow, killing two birds with one stone. That also lets the comp-vig shoot at will.

Can we agree to this?

Suicidal Hatters are *also* easy to confirm. I like conformable roles, they make life hell for the one KP mafia.